http://strawpoll.me/7399281
http://strawpoll.me/7399281
http://strawpoll.me/7399281
With new upcoming New York primary, this will the be the first primary with a fairly significant LGBTQ population on the Democratic side. Who are you supporting and why?
>>6037940
Neither
>>6037940
>the sole vote for Hillary over Bernie
Come at me cucklords
>>6037940
Gary Johnson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Johnson
Gary Johnson favors a federal law to legalize gay marriage across the United States, rather than leaving the issue up to the individual states.
This is from 2012. He was pro gay marriage before it was cool.
>>6037940
Trump. No exceptions.
Refugees want to kill LGBT people.
Hilary is a Criminal
Bernie is a literal communist jew
The rest of them are shills for hilary and will drop out for her
>inb4 back to /pol/
>>6037940
>no trump option
Fuck you. You are probably not even from New York.
I am Williamsburg born and raised. Fuck off Commies
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/deez-nuts-polling-9-north-carolina-voters-article-1.2331085
I know who I'm voting for
Not a burger, but Bernie t b h f a m
>huge amounts of LGBT organizations and groups come out for Clinton
>/lgbt/ supports sanders
Explain. How much influence does the Human Rights Campaign have over you guys?
>>6038056
2011 is only a few years ago anon. Not really supporting gay marriage before it was cool.
>>6038083
It is funny only poll Bernie can win is a rigged poll where hitlery is only other choice.
Both sanders and Clinton want to bring tons of Muslims to USA. I will never vote for someone that will bring radicals to USA and endanger my family. And any lgbt person that votes for any party to bring in Muslims is suicidal
>>6038043
>votes for a woman that doesn't agree with same-sex marriage
>>6038156
>votes for a woman that doesn't agree with same-sex marriage
????
She does idiot.
>>6038179
Only because it's political/social suicide not to.
Bernie's been fighting for equal rights since the 60's.
>>6038179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I
>>6038179
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/
>Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008. She expressed her support for civil unions starting in 2000 and for the rights’ of states to set their own laws in favor of same-sex marriage in 2006.
Actually, I don't think that Hillary is against gay marriage. I think she's a poll watcher who is in favor of whatever it's politically convenient to be in favor of. I don't think she's ever had an opinion of her own.
>>6038202
>Only because it's political/social suicide not to.
Like Ted Cruz or Drumpf or John Kasich who are all anti-equality candidates in 2016?
The truth is Hillary has always been pro-LGBTQ rights outside of gay marriage. Plus gay marriage isn't' really an issue anymore. Now it's anti-discrimination laws, as North Carolina has shown us. We need a Democrat in the white house.
>>6038218
>Actually, I don't think that Hillary is against gay marriage.
In 2015, David Axelrod wrote only "opposed" gay marriage in 2008 to win the 2008 election. I vastly doubt Hillary ever really opposed gay marriage.
>>6038220
Obviously it's only political suicide in the democratic primary. If she gets the nomination she'll change her tune, or at the very least stop bringing it up and distance herself from the issue.
>>6038231
>>6038220
>she only did it for votes lol
So she's a vapid sellout who abandons what is right to gain power then. Neat.
>>6038152
>Both sanders and Clinton want to bring tons of Muslims to USA.
Apparently Sanders' plan is to bring in 10,000, Clinton wants to bring in 65,000, but only if extensive screening is possible.
And assuming the larger 65,000 figure, even if the Muslim population in the US grows at 5% annually (normal Muslim population growth rate is Muslim majority countries is around 2%), then even in 50 years the original 65,000 won't have grown to even 1% of the US population. Virtually negligible, in other words. Of course, this isn't taking into account the pre-existing Muslim population, but the point is the refugees being brought in won't make a major difference. And most likely, Muslim population growth rates will FALL as they move into developing countries.
Source: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/sanders-support-for-syrian-refugees/
Though I do agree that Trump's plan to build a safe zone in Syria sounds good on paper, but given how unstable Syria is that seems easier said than done.
>>6038238
>she only did it for votes
Isn't that what politicians are supposed to do?
>>6038235
>If she gets the nomination she'll change her tune, or at the very least stop bringing it up and distance herself from the issue.
Over 60% of Americans support gay marriage and over 80% support LGBT discrimination laws. I doubt she will stop bringing it up when it's so popular with young people.
>>6038243
If you want to continue to have a corrupt, corporate-run bureaucracy.
>>6038264
That makes no sense. Supporting policies popular with voters is literally the OPPOSITE of corruption. Now, if she was supporting gay rights because major corporations were paying her to do it, then that would be corruption.
>>6038272
When you bend your moral direction solely because of statistics, that makes you a bad candidate when it comes to doing the right thing in office. I mean, what do you think made it so hard for lgbt people before the mid-2000s?
>>6038272
>Now, if she was supporting gay rights because major corporations were paying her to do it,
Aren't a lot of gay people voting for Hillary? I know next to black people, LGBT folks have been vigorously supporting and voting for HRC, with Human Rights Campaign endorsing her.
>>6038279
>I mean, what do you think made it so hard for lgbt people before the mid-2000s?
That was than. This is now. Now we have the popular opinion on our side.
>>6038286
>thinking what is popular now will last indefinitely
You truly don't understand how things work, do you?
>>6038292
>thinking what is popular now will last indefinitely
LGBT rights are only going to expand worldwide in the next 50 years. You have to be crazy to think otherwise. This is like saying "slavery will make a come back" in a few years.
>>6038238
>implying that's bad
Idealist pls leave
>>6038297
What makes you so sure?
>>6038292
That image is terrifying. It is like uncanny valley. It looks like human but it is not really human, just like trannies
>>6038301
>What makes you so sure?
Trends in polling.
>>6038302
>it is not really human, just like trannies
Has this board always been this self-destructive?
>>6038303
Trends can shift backwards. You can not escape this fact. What makes you so sure that the progress made will inherently last?
>>6038302
Trannies are by definition human, even if they are kind of in between genders. Unless you think having any kind of artificial medicine in your body makes you a cyborg or something.
>>6038310
>What makes you so sure that the progress made will inherently last?
More developed a country is = more LGBTQ friendly
As poverty will be eliminated in the upcoming years, our society will move to a more LGBTQ friendly place.
>>6038301
In Iran women had many rights before 1970s. In gulf women had more rights before Saudi Arabia formed. History does not have linear progress to "acceptance" history is like pendulum, and when civilizations reach peak they become lazy and the people stop caring and begin accepting things that destroy them like homosexuality, etc. I think Romans are a great lesson in the downfall of a civilization. That's what were seeing in America now.
>>6038310
There are some trends that seem extremely unlikely to make a comeback. Like, as that anon mentioned, slavery. Sure, at some point in the distant future slavery may become widespread in developed counties, but that would require truly drastic changes in society.
>>6038319
>as poverty will be eliminated in the upcoming years
>>6038301
>>6038321
>In Iran women had many rights before 1970s.
Yeah, but Iran outside of the major cities in the 1970s in the rural areas were batshit insane religious crazy. That group at the time was feeling oppressed at the time. Also let's not forget that it was the USA who helped empower the radicals and keep them in power by overthrowing their prime minster in 1953.
>>6038240
>And most likely, Muslim population growth rates will FALL as they move into developing countries.
That's why the muslim birthrate in France is almost 4 while the French birthrate is hovering just above 1.
>65 000 refugees
That is just the first lot of them. Obama and other democrats as well as the EU are pressuring USA to take in a million because "USA can handle it"
Also the screening process is a joke. Leaders in the department of homeland security and CIA stated there are blaring holes In our screening process.
Just look at San Bernardino that lady was a recent immigrant and passed the screening and she killed two dozen innocent people. Or the boston marathon bombers they passed the background screening.
The point is we shouldn't be letting ANY refugees in at this point and that is far more reasonable than democrat president have done in the past. Democrat fdr put a ban on Germans and Japanese, deported many of them and put thousands of others in internment camps. Carter put a ban on Iranians.
>>6038367
Both of those people weren't part of this current screening process you do realize
>>6038347
>missing the point entirely
>muh poor oppressed Islamic radicals
The point was that societies don't just progressively keep getting more liberals. They go through cycles.
>>6038385
>The point was that societies don't just progressively keep getting more liberals. They go through cycles.
Again you fail to take into the concept of development. The reason there are so many radical in the middle east is because of poverty and years of war and oppression. The Arab Spring can literally be traced back to a bread shortage caused by climate change. Want to stop all that? support progressive/socialist/communist ideas.
>>6038412
As much as I fucking hate /pol/, that is the most bluepilled shit I've ever seen.
>>6038435
>As much as I fucking hate /pol/, that is the most bluepilled shit I've ever seen.
God damit. I fucking hate organized religion. Neo-liberalism is used to promote religion. You want to get rid of religion? Get rid of this racist and homophobic system of capitalism. We need socialism in this country.
Trump or Cruz's foreign policy is a fucking disaster. They would repeal the Iran deal, one of the best deals ever, that that Security Hillary Clinton helped create. The reason the middle east is so shit is because of Republican presidents like GWB who invaded Iraq.
>>6038456
>They would repeal the Iran deal, one of the best deals ever,
>we need socialism
troll 2/10 made me reply
Trump. Absolutely.
>>6038382
>current screening process
It hasn't changed at all you do realize that and heads of dept of homeland security said well never fully eliminate threats unless we block muslim immigration temporarily.
So if I give you a bowl of m&ms and I tell you ten of them are cyanide are you still going to eat them?
Why are you RISKING American lives by bringing people into our country from known terrorist countries? You think innocent people losing their lives in places like Paris and Brussels is totally fine as long as you get some more "progressive points" for being in a multicultural city?
>>6038496
>never fully eliminate threats unless we block muslim immigration temporarily.
How would blocking Muslim immigration TEMPORARILY let us eliminate threats? Is there some arbitrary reason why we can't revise our screening process while Muslims are entering the country?
>So if I give you a bowl of m&ms and I tell you ten of them are cyanide are you still going to eat them?
Depends on how many m&ms there are. If there are like 9000 billion of them, 10 being cyanide is negligible. Everything we do involves some kind of risk, you're more likely to die falling out of bed than to get one of those cyanide m&ms.
>>6038496
Both the Paris and Brussels attacks were masterminded by European born people. You could bring up, say, the cologne attacks.
>>6038496
So you would block thousands of LGBTQ people from Muslim nations from coming here to live a better life?
bamp
>>6038125
The Libertarian Party has supported gay marriage since the 1970s, long before it was considered socially acceptable by the majority of people.
But to answer the OP's questions, literally any of the current candidates but Cruz. My ideal choice would be Gary Johnson, and I'd prefer Sanders over any of the other mainstream candidates... but in terms of LGBT issues alone, Johnson and Sanders and Clinton and Trump are all on relatively equal footing. (As an Arab-American, I have obvious reasons to oppose Trump, but I have to give credit where it's due: he's always been pro-gay and he's never been particularly transphobic.) Kasich has worse stances on LGBT issues, but he's not horrible and he's more of a moderate than Trump overall, so he might still be the best Republican choice.
Really, if you care about LGBT rights, just make absolutely sure that Cruz doesn't win. Having that evangelical nutjob in office would be an absolute nightmare for LGBT people.
>>6038456
>I oppose organized religion and support the Iran deal
>thus it follows that we need to implement economic changes completely unrelated to those two things
Is this bait or are you really that clueless about politics?
/pol/ go home your drunk. This is not for you.
>>6038243
I'm pretty sure politicians are supposed to stand up and tell us what they actually believe so that we can pick the one that believes the same thing that we believe. If we're okay with flagrantly flipflopping on issues, how are we ever going to be able to predict what a politician will do? Especially a second term president who no longer has any reason to give a fuck?
This is why I feel political debates need to be done piss drunk and/or connected to a polygraph. Also, any candidate who says they're okay with waterboarding should be waterboarded during the debate. I don't know if it'd improve their honesty but it'd be extremely entertaining.
>>6038838
>believing in honesty
Lol
>>6038736
>The Libertarian Party has supported
Libertarian party is not pro-gay. Many in their party are overt bigots and Christians who hate gay people.
>>6038901
I don't believe in honesty, I believe in consistency. People will only be accountable for what they say and do if we hold them accountable for what they say and do. If politicians flip flop on issues, and we don't give a fuck, we're telling them that it's okay to flip flop on issues. How, then, can we be mad when they get into office and break all their campaign promises? They're doing exactly what we incentivised.
If everyone expects consistency and gets pissed when it doesn't happen, politicians will be consistent. I mean, yeah I guess in that last term a president could still just do whatever, but that's an AWFULLY long con.
If politicians are expected to change their opinion to follow the poll numbers, then why do we have politicians at all?
>>6037940
SERIOUSLY?? how the fuck is everyone voting for sanders? seriously go die, you might as well be voting for Drumpf
>>6039923
What's so bad about voting for Sanders?
theres only one
hillary clinton will release a new more virulent strain of aids
bernie sanders will come to all of our houses, one by one, to personally hand out prostate massages
take your pick, i guess
Umm... Where's Ted Cruz?
I mean it is silly that you did not include Trump or Cruz on here but I'd prefer Hillary over Sanders for sure.
>>6039975
are you serious rn
>>6038962
>Libertarian party is not pro-gay. Many in their party are overt bigots and Christians who hate gay people.
>>6040237
if you really, honestly think hildog is in any way a good candidate to become the democratic nominee or the potus you really should have your right to vote be taken away for being so mentally incompetent.
>>6040579
behold the typical berniebro here. throw a temper tantrum bc he doesn't give his favorite toy so we all get sent to the camps. brilliant. fuck you
>>6040592
Could you perhaps explain why you think Bernie is worse than Hillary?
>>6040592
if you dont want to vote for bern bern because you think that youd be throwing your vote away thats fine, but dont pretend that hillary is a good candidate, trustworthy, competent, or anything more than repulsive.
>>6040604
umm, alright I'll take the bait.
>racist+sexist
>anti-feminist
>doesn't care about LGBTQIA+
>completely unqualified
>will lose to any republican
>lying constantly with unrealistic promises
>fumbles around constantly on speeches
>has essentially no real policy
it honestly amazes me how anyone can vote for him, and it scares me to think people haven't wised up
It doesn't matter anyway since it's gonna come down to Trump vs. Hillary.
>>6040639
>anti feminist
good.
>>6040639
>racist+sexist
>anti-feminist
>doesn't care about LGBTQIA+
nah, the man's a fucking lifelong civil rights activist. he's just smart enough not to buy into the bullshit that is identity politics and decent enough not to pander to SJWs like Shillary
>completely unqualified
what? he literally has more political experience than any of the other candidates running
>will lose to any republican
polls consistently show the opposite
>lying constantly with unrealistic promises
whether or not they're unrealistic is debatable, but he's not lying about them
>fumbles around constantly on speeches
so? only normies with double digit IQs actually care about superficial shit like that. he's running for President, not American Idol
>has essentially no real policy
yeah he's only outlined his policy proposals in extensive depth a few dozen times
>>6037940
Trump
>but this thread is for Democr-
I don't care.
>thinking there will be a 45th president
>mfw
>>6040806
Why wouldn't there be?
>>6040639
>>racist+sexist
In what way? I mean there have been mild incidents like him saying white people don't now what it's like to live in a ghetto, but is there any more?
>anti-feminist
In what way?
>doesn't care about LGBTQIA+
He's the ONLY candidate to even acknowledge the existence of trans people. And has a better record on gay rights than any other candidate.
>>6040883
You're speaking to someone indoctrinated by the media. They are lost.
Hillary, Bernie, Trump, and Ted are all awful choices.
Vote Gary Johnson, McAfee, or eve Green, this election.
>>6040066
>Umm... Where's Ted Cruz?
............
>>6040639
>racist+sexist
the man LITERALLY walked with MLK
>anti-feminist
Fantastic, feminism isn't about equality
>doesn't care about LGBTQIA+
He's a civil rights activist, do you seriously think he isn't pro LGBT
>will lose to any republican
No, infact polls suggest that he will have a better chance against trump than Hillary
inb4 Cruz
>lying constantly with unrealistic promises
How can you say he's lying if he isn't even in yet...
also have you SEEN HILLARY?!
>fumbles around constantly on speeche
who cares... also umm, ah, obama, um
>has essentially no real policy
Go to his website and actually have a look, he has more issues and policies that hillary AND trump
>>6040639
You arguably just described Shillary, not Comrade Sanders.
Sanders, because he's actually center left and not a centre right Rockefeller conservative like Clinton.
>>6041047
Hasn't Trump been winning a lot of states though? I really don't think Sanders is gonna be our next President.
>>6041209
Do you actually know anything about the electoral process? If not, right now what's happening is a fight for the Republican and Democratic presidential *nominations*, not the actual presidential election. That Trump's winning a lot of states right now only means that he's likely going to win the Republican nomination, so it has nothing to do with Sanders yet. Sanders' problem is that he's losing states to Hillary, his actual opponent right now. As it stands, Sanders is probably not going to get the Democratic nomination.
>>6041209
Trump can't be president. He can be elected for that position and sit in the Oval Office but he won't be able to exercise the power that comes with it. Establishment Republicans and Democrats hate him and they're the ones in congress. It only takes 2/3 of congress to block a bill or overturn an EO and with 3/3 of congress against him, Trump will just sit on his hands for four years. It's not happening
trump trump trump trump hes best canidate
>>6037940
Trump for this election.
Once he builds the wall to stop illegals and we can stop wasting billions of tax dollars paying for them to live here, you can start voting for Democrats again and they can use that money to pay for all the shit you want to support.
Sanders has the right ideas, but we don't have the means to fund them.
It'll be like Clinton's presidency all over again. Republicans set him up to have massive economic surplus, and he gets to spend it however he wants.
>>6041238
I don't. I don't follow politics much quite honestly. I just saw Trump lost to Ted Cruz in a state recently (Can't remember which one)
>>6037940
Can anyone remind me again why Bernie is a communist jew besides memes?
And why socialism is bad?
>>6038068
>Bernie is a literal communist jew
>literal communist
he's a socialist
>literally untrue
And before you start; All communists are socialist. Not all socialists are communists.
>>6037940
>http://strawpoll.me/7399281
this straw poll makes me giggle
92% bernie
>Hillary has only 9/111 votes. She's terrible and almost hilariously tragic
>>6038838
What if they have a waterboarding fetish?
>>6041772
/lgbt/ tends to be younger population.
Hillary has far larger supporter among LGBT folks, namely older LGBT folks, than younger, just like all demographics. Just look at the fact that almost every mainstream LGBT organization endorsing Hillary in the primary.
>>6041592
>And why socialism is bad?
Because mainstream media says it's bad for some reason.
>>6041885
The organizations support hitlery because money. The individuals themselves usually know better.
>>6041894
>The organizations support hitlery because money. The individuals themselves usually know better.
Didn't LGBT voters support Hillary over Obama in 2008?
We'll see from the exit polls in New York. In the New York Democratic primary about 9-10% of voters there are LGBT, the first state with a fairly significant LGBT population.
>>6041592
He isn't.
And socialism is only bad if you're on the top 1%. If you aren't, it isn't.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkK2_6H9MM daily reminder for you lgbt folks. She is also a reptilian shapeshifter.
>>6040780
Also seconding this notion trump or bust. Trump is the only candidate that's good for this country, hitlery will literally be Bush 3.0 and sanders just needs to go to his nursing home already, why would anyone vote for president a guy who didn't even have a job until he was 40 years old? Forty years old lol he's a bum and only bums and economically illiterate retards support him.
>>6042062
>he's a bum and only bums and economically illiterate retards support him.
This is a perfect description of Trump supporters.
>>6042072
You can even take the economically part and it still works.
>>6038068
who's to say trump isn't a hillary shill in disguise
>>6042416
he is. they've been shilling hillary using trump as a boogeyman, saying "wow how electable she is and gotta ditch that barnie sandlers because nobody's going to vote for a socialist and then you'll get trump who is literally hitler!!!"
trump and the clintons have gone way back
>>6042072
>delusional Marxist prop up their best candidate for president
>he's a loser that can't ever guard his podium from two black women
>this feeble old man is somehow suppose to stand up to China and Iran
Kek lefttards BTFO. Crypt keeper sanders will have a heart attack before the race is even over
>>6038496
are you retarded, we cant get home grown terrorist and shit out of home either and thats a much bigger problem, If you ever met a Muslim in america you would know screening is done well and so is some amount of re culturing as apposed to the other countries which just bused them in. its a 1.5 to 2 year process to begin with, in the mean time you can get killed by the home grown biggots who outnumber the muslims 10 fold who got a platform with trump
>>6037940
No option for Trump?
>>6040272
This is actually true, If you look at voting records its not super solid, The young members of the party are generally more liberal but are basically just the guy trying to Show off and act smart at a party
>>6042537
Tru that's literally all of them. I met them once at a party. Was pretty crowded, and they didn't make it any less loud or obnoxious.
>>6042495
wow no wonder the rest of the world laughs at americans
TRUMP
>>6042495
>never invented anything
Am I missing something here? Clinton didn't invent anything either. Besides the person's ability to invent was never a requirement for presidency.
>>6038068
Trump is right, no doubt.
I love this country, I really do. We have communities that are closeted and some that arent. Big deal.
>>6042569
the point is that he's never had a real job that had to produce anything other than a bunch of rhetoric.
>>6038202
>>6038217
>>6038218
Who gives a shit about her personal stance? Clinton's role is to represent the Democratic constituency, which she was doing in the past and is continuing to do now. Frankly, I wouldn't care if she personally believes that God hates fags and that AIDS is the gay plague so long as she's advancing civil liberties for queer people.
Hillary was anti-LGBT until it became popular not to be.
Bernie was always pro-LGBT.
If you're just looking at that then the choice is obvious.
>>6037940
>no Trump option
>no Gary Johnson option
>obvious choice between shillary and bernie sandbirds
>>6037940
Trump > Trump's poo > Bernie > absolute shit > Hillary.
I am Twink For Daddy
>>6044299
>until it became popular not to be.
She is not pro-lgbt. If you're pro something you get off your ass and do something about it. Unlike Sanders, she has done nothing to help us. Back when she "was" anti-lgbt she actual took action to make sure we didn't have rights.
>>6044646
I was not implying she is truly pro-LGBT. I meant strictly in terms of the face she puts on for the media. There's nothing genuine about Hillary.
>>6042537
>>6042551
>their parties are loud and obnoxious
>therefore they oppose LGBT rights despite having the oldest and most solid LGBT platform out of any established political party in the country
some great arguments up in here
>voting for anyone but cruz
