>AGP questions and answers
>Thoughts and feelings / emotions
>Help, advice, guidance
>Be cozy and chill out
>What is AGP?
Autogynephilia, from Greek αὐτό- ("self"), γυνή ("woman") and φιλία ("love")
Broadly, sexual or nonsexual arousal to the thought of oneself being a woman
>AGP is discredited and doesn't real!
No, you are probably thinking of Blanchard's typology, which includes the idea of AGP. To the people who experience it, AGP is very much real.
Last thread
>>5953030
Poals I found in last thread
http://poal.me/kd2jf5
http://poal.me/3aq0hs
Discord
https://discord.gg/0vTR1GzEzuVj6Sb3
I thought AGP meant "ask a gay person"
Bumping but i am confused.
>>6037333
autism genome project
>>6037333
Depends on the person you ask.
To hons, it's Hons in denial
To /pol/ it's degeneracy
To me it's I wish I wasn't this
In actuality, just read the OP.
reminder to read Nevada
>>6036916
I'm AGP here. Resisted and hated it for over 10 years now. It is true what they say, AGP is forever. I'm exclusively AGP, am completely asexual unless I imagine myself as a woman.
Still not trans, never will be. I'm redpilled whether i like it or not.
>>6037981
Almost every single AGP thread has someone reccomending this. I swear, it has to be a shill.
Tried to just for curiosity, noped out when I don't even have a PDF reader.
>>6037994
Lol
>>6037997
You don't have a pdf reader?
>>6037997
Don't you use chrome, senpai?
>>6038029
There's still epub and mobi on the site, as I recall.
>>6038039
Nope. I'm not dumb, lol.
I use GNU/Linux, with GNU Icecat.
>>6038046
Didn't see those options. If there's an epub option that's be great. Have heard it was made by a SJW. But regardless I'm a curious faggot. I'll have to look into it more.
This transition gives me hope.
>>6038305
Pretty boy, pretty girl.
Ugly cunt like me, ugly cunt like hon.
This is why I will never transition.
>>6038305
An autogynephile's dream, minus the lack of hips.
>>6038375
>hips are overrated
You must have been into men since before AGP or HRT gave you cocklust. Even blind men prefer 0.70 WHR over anything higher. A WHR of 0.65-0.67 is probably the perfect spot, where under that, attractiveness goes back down.
If it is just a fetish, then nofap might help.
Rebooting your brain. Basically you have build AGP neuro pathways. You can't get pleasure in other way. So to treat AGP you have to decondition yourself. It would be like a drug withdrawal. But eventually you should build healthy neuro pathways.
Rate my idea.
>>6038407
I'm not saying hips aren't nice to look at, I just don't think they're the be-all and end-all of attractiveness they get made out to be.
>>6038441
But someone with agp must have the predisposition to it as opposed to a normal male who would just fap to porn thinking of fucking the girl, that means that even if you do nofap or never encounter porn before your brain will work in an agp kind of way, I think this is more about genetics than porn addiction
>>6038375
>>6038407
And when I say even blind men prefer a small WHR, I mean that there was literally a study saying this. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513809001093
This is a theory on why men prefer wide hips. https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201207/eternal-curves So if you want to get railed like the coy little slut you aspire to be, you better have a pair of hips to shake.
>>6038491
> So if you want to get railed like the coy little slut you aspire to be, you better have a pair of hips to shake.
Noted.
>>6038484
AGP is not a fancy new identity.it is a mental deviation which can develop in any one and can be trated. Is genetics a way of talking about destiny?
I don't think. Any male would develop such fetish if he had such conditions
>>6038574
what are those such conditions? there are porn addicts that don't develop agp, I'm not saying is a new identity I'm saying that is a trait that is always been there in certain individuals, I developed agp since I was like 5 and no I never had access to porn at that age nor I had any sort of abuse..
>Is genetics a way of talking about destiny?
Well yeah I do think that genetics=destiny, to me the world is deterministic, the only difference between that and destiny is that we don't have a crystal ball to see into the future
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>>6038574
Well stop with the bullshit and tell us the treatment
>>6038598
I dunno than. I think it's normal to play as a girl at that age. I was curious at that age too. But it didn't develop further.
I blame exposition to pornography at late puberty for developing this fetish in my case. So nofap and rebooting brain may be a solution.
>>6038305
Holy shit. Those teddies.
Friendly Reminder that if this is your first time on /lgbt/ and finding this thread fitting you, LEAVE THIS PLACE AND NEVER COME BACK
save yourself before it is too late
>>6040233
Appreciate the warning, but I'm too far gone. There's no hope for me now.
>>6040295
>>6040302
I honestly can't remember at this point. How the fuck did I get here and why? It's been a long time
>>6040302
To /lgbt/? More then a year ago, sometime around then. Since then my AGP has gotten more and more intense to the point where Ive started transitioning. Now Im just doing everything I can to end up with a body like pic related.
>>6040344
hnnng
>there are literally LITERALLY people in this world who get to inhabit bodies like that purely by luck
>>6040367
Unfair, isn't it? Oh well, if you want to do something you only have one life to do it.
We all gonna make it.
>>6040390
i won't make it though. there's a difference when making it is literally impossible
>>6040396
Ok, some of us gonna make it.
>>6040401
that's fair
And one of those people is gonna be me. Can't wait.
>>6040415
Note to self; totally get breast implants.
>>6040415
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/04/17/cute-and-talented-taiwanese-singer-is-actually-a-boy-netizens-no-longer-find-this-shocking/
>>6040444
this is the latest ones and i'm already more than 5 months deep x_x
but it is the nature of the fetish to disregard reality
Height 184.785
Weight 148.4
BF % 10.1
BMI 19.7
Shoulders 104
Bust (tight) 85.7
Bust (loose) 90.5
Underbust 84.9
Waist 74.3
Hips 91.5
Foot length 26.9
Foot width 10
autism yes
so you'd trade AGP for asexuality?
>>6041330
Nah, I like being AGP.
>>6041348
I bet its cause you are transitioning successfully
>>6041356
That probably has something to do with it, yeah.
>>6041330
yeah, although asexuality probably wouldn't be ideal. still better than agp
>>6041330
In a heartbeat. People finding out you're asexual is just a minor thing they'll rib you for (maybe), but after that it's done. Women mostly won't like it, but enough women are also asexual that your chances of finding someone are actually pretty decent.
Compare that to being AGP, where even talking about sexual interests poses a major social liability, most women won't even consider a future with you out of fear that at any given moment you're going to break and go full Caitlyn on them, and even the LGBT community considers you either closeted or a grotesque mockery of people with real issues, and it's a marked improvement.
>>6038441
http://yourbrainonporn.com/ask-us-iam-attracted-to-gay-transsexual
Seeing as we now have a disclaimer in the OP about it, to further distance ourselves from Blanchards taxonomy should we consider just rebranding it as Female Embodiment Fantasy or FEF as Julia Serrano suggests here?
http://juliaserano.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/reconceptualizing-autogynephilia-as_26.html
>>6043285
How will others who've heard of AGP but not FEF know they're in "good" (relatively speaking) company?
>>6043323
I'm not sure 2bh, but I didn't know I was AGP (the term, I knew what got me off) before I found this thread, so I just assume If we build it, they will come.
Those who cum will come, that is :^)
>>6043285
No. I see no point in this. AGP is a good term, and I don't like enabling the idea that just because someone coined a term means it's unusable outside the context of their work. This doesn't happen in anything else.
I don't have the same vehement opposition to Blanchard, but would rather just not talk about it because it derails helpful conversations about AGP into butthurtness over his ideas.
>>6038305
fake
>>6045243
yeah people will believe anything lol. look at the hair line. not even close. so her hairline got worse after starting hrt? lol 4chan ur so fucking STUPID
>>6043878
If you changed what this rare niche fetish shit was called to distance it from the debunked, bigoted pseudoscience baggage that to this day serves to fuck over millions of actual trans people legally, medically, and socially around the world, you wouldn't be actively pissing people off all of the time and no one would give a shit what you like thinking about when you get off.
The sole reason you get shit for this is because of what it's called. At this point it's pointlessly contrarian and spiteful to not change it.
>>6048980
>>6048980
Kek, are you for real?
How many guys here are happy with just getting off to TF/TG fantasies and don't want to mess with their bodies to feed into it. And how many would rather try hormones and other things to help with it?
>>6052609
>How many guys here are happy with just getting off to TF/TG fantasies and don't want to mess with their bodies to feed into it.
me one year ago
>And how many would rather try hormones and other things to help with it?
me now
although "happy" might be a bit overstating it
>>6052792
similar but I never went through with it
I just have to do a reality check and look at myself in the mirror, there is nothing feminine
>>6052609
quotations pulled from my journal...
2013
>"I really need to stop fucking jerking off to trap porn"
2014
>"I feel like if I got rid of my depression and sexual issues, I could live contentedly as a man for good."
2015
>"I just…even after I jerked off I still wanted the long hair and the breasts and everything. I still wanted all that."
2016
>"I’ve already fallen off the deep end, I’m getting close to 6 months on hormones."
>>6053053
are you me? but I have not started hormones yet?
>>6053100
Then I feel sorry for you anon...
>>6052839
>look at myself in the mirror, there is nothing feminine
>tfw stuck in the middle
>tfw make these little videos of myself naked walking around and doing girly gestures and stuff
>notbad.jpg but not 100% girl either
>tfw took hormones for about 6 months last year but none since coz of unavailability
>tfw also that innate fear of women finding me unattractive or a joke if i try to fem it further
>>6056122
how long have you been off? do you feel better or worse now? or neither
NEW THREAD
>>6058892
>>6058892
>>6058892
>>6059374
Nah senpai just tell them to read nevada and they'll get there on their own...
haveyoureadnevada dot com
>>6056122
In my opinion you have to be young and go full tranny or else there is no point cause you only become more of a freak, pills are not a free ride to girlyland, too many health and social issues
>>6059374
nice meme
>reminder that transbians are straight men and sexual predators. They deserve to be arrested and thrown in prison
dropped
>>6059407
you're in the agp thread m8, what makes you think there would be androphilic trannies in here?
>>6059422
its that even trannies think AGPs a freak
>>6059292
my nipples certainly feel better. Mentally didn't notice any changes between before and then or then and now.
>>6059426
tfw androphilic agp
>>6059422
AGPs and transbians often become bi, if not straight girls.
Why does this cunt look so satisfied?
New here, how do i transition without diminishing my sex drive? Would bicalutamide do the trick?
>>6060388
reportedly it's better than other AA's but nothing is 'free'
>>6060228
Interesting observation, i've been experiencing AGP for a long time. I've never tried HRT but I've developed some degree of AGP bisexuality just by living with this condition. ie:guys are hot if im the woman. But, I notice im far more attracted to androgynous or feminine men then conventional men. Of course I think transwomen are quite hot.
Since ive had to present as a cis straight man all my life that has probably severely interfered with my bisexuality.
>>6060674
Some people here will probably be upset to read this, but it's my personal belief that AGP is a way that a female gender identity can bubble up to the surface, like gender dysphoria. I also believe most trans women would naturally be exclusively androphilic, or would very heavily lean that way. But because of the strong social pressure to be a straight male, they develop an attraction to women (they say women's sexuality is a bit more fluid or bi, so who knows). Then when they transition they let go of the attraction to women as they also let go of the male standards of behavior.
>>6061037
Except that guys with AGP start with a male gender identity they just get off to the AGP fantasy.
>>6052792
But don't hormones lower your sex drive thereby making it hard to get off to AGP fantasies?
>>6061879
I don't care. What started out as (at least in my head at the time) "a silly fetish" has sprouted into full blown dysphoria. Repression is a hell of a drug
>>6061879
Sex drive only takes a big hit when you just start hrt cause it takes a while for your endocrine system to switch. For me I went 2-3 months of 0 Sex drive and then it started coming back
>>6061902
How does that happen, I'm not questioning your authenticity, but that sounds distressing. I wouldn't want this fetish to lead me to being uncomfortable with my body.
>>6061907
I had heard that it diminishes sex drive and then you can't get hard or get off. Is that not the case, can one still get off to AGP fantasies then?
>>6061995
Then do yourself a favor and run from /lgbt/, really
I'm not her but it really got worse when I found out about all this stuff
>>6062001
if you think you're agp now, just imagine when you start getting tits and fatter hips
forgot to say,
>>6061995
leave now while you still can
>>6061995
>be kid
>experiment with crossdressing occasionally
>super high interest in anything with trans people in it
>start puberty
>discover tg fetishy stuff on Internet
>spend teens masturbating to it
>try to have lucid dreams where I can be a girl
>but still interested in girls
>hey I must be a normal guy with a weird fetish
>if I get off to it then I'm not really trans I have autogynephilia
>besides, *real* trans people know that they're really women trapped in men's bodies or try to cut their dicks off
>if I spend a lot of time fapping then I must be cis
>college
>have hookups, gfs
>think to myself : "if I have a girlfriend and sex with her then I won't need this stuff to get off"
>but still need that stuff to get off
>last year
>depressed about life
>go on month long bender of multiple fap sessions per day
>discover /LGBT/
>lurk in threads
>ask if I'm trans
>people say I should talk to a therapist
>well I'm depressed anyways so might as well
>basically repeat this greentext to counselor
>look up Internet trans resources
>discover that it's not that uncommon...
>read Nevada
>cry because I'm basically James H
the way I think about it, i used masturbation as a drug basically. You can lie to yourself about a lot of things but you can't really lie about what turns you on. I was using the dopamine rush of orgasm to sooth my troubled mind. And the only thing that really let me be aroused was the thought of being a woman having sex.
If you're really happy otherwise with your life then you don't have to be trans. But I wasn't, and I hid from the truth for a long time because it was easier than dealing with the truth.
For me, AGP was just the tip of the iceberg, visible from above the water. But the other 7/8s was always there lurking.
>tfw being a man feels weird
>tfw can't be tranny cuz people would just throw stones
>tfw can't stay in that sweet boy mode forever
>>6036916
Who here transitioned to be a sexy office girl?
It's seriously the best
>>6062122
While that would be hot, it seems like my dock would stay limp, and therefore I couldn't masturbate.
>>6062747
I am >>6062192
yes
>>6062747
Has anyone read this before? Does group 3 seem to resemble any of you, leaving aside the "female-identified" part?
http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
>>6062791
Yup.
That was what first tipped me off that maybe I'm more than just AGP, that maybe I'm actually trans.
>>6062791
Besides the female identified and the talk of gender disphoria, yeah, definitely afraid to let anyone know that I was to be a woman when I'm horny. I have a male gender identity, I am worried that if I continue having this fetish that could change.
>>6062361
There's a pretty Latina girl in one of my classes who works in a law office as the receptionist. I was a bit jelly, tbqhwyf.
>>6062361
Me! Here is a picture of me and some of my coworkers
>>6062899
I work in a law office now. It's pretty awesome for trans people, very accepting
>>6062874
Why are you afraid?
>>6063051
It is very embarrassing, and it is not good to be open about sexuality like that.
>>6062944
Dude, you changed to be an office girl?
do your feet get more archy on hrt?
>>6063051
Is that even a real question?
>>6063119
Not him, but frankly it's a huge liability. It's like being outed as trans, but not. Not only are you going to get all the same typical social hate for being "trans" from people that find out and disapprove, the trans community will have nothing to do with you for fetishizing their struggle. /lgbt/ itself and its attitude towards AGPs is proof of that.
Coming out as trans is difficult, but at least you have a supportive community to run to. Being outed as AGP is the same thing, but the community you run to is going to greet you at the door with a gun in its hand. If my trans friends found out I was AGP...well, I probably wouldn't have friends anymore. Might lose my family too; they threatened to send me to gay conversion camp when the found me crossdressing as a teen.
>>6038049
>not dumb
>falls for /g/ memes
Nothing wrong with Linux, but there is something wrong with worshiping Stallman
>>6063154
At the very least, you could both talk it over with a therapist.
Do you know for sure that your friends would be against you for being AGP? Have they indicated that before?
this whole blog scares me. like the thing is agp is consuming me and i hate it, i can't get rid of it, it's dragging me in and shit like "oh just don't let it" doesn't fucking work. fuck it all
>>6063111
https://thirdwaytrans.com/2016/04/18/trans-or-just-a-fetish/
>>6063154
You really believe it's just a kink, you don't need to shout it out to the world. Just look for a partner that'd be OK with it, or even let you indulge in it.
If it really causes you distress then I second the anon you tells you to see a therapist.
>>6063230
No, but one of them, a trans man, makes enough cracks at my masculinity to boost his confidence in his own when around mutual friends that I'm fairly certain it would be used as a weapon against me. As much fun as kink discussion can be, and as much as I'd like to be part of the group by talking about myself when they talk about it, I'm fully aware of just how easily that information could get out and harm me, even if it doesn't outright insult and disgust my friends.
>>6063484
>You really believe it's just a kink, you don't need to shout it out to the world.
Well, I haven't. I've had second thoughts about it maybe being more than a kink lately, but I don't really think I could even bring myself to act on anything more, especially not at this point in my life. If I don't feel like I want to/cannot do anything more - I can't even bring myself to buy women's clothes - then I don't think I have much to worry about, identity-wise.
None of it really "matters" anyway. I'm aware that being AGP and how disgusting/concerning it is to the vast majority of people is a roadblock to the next phase of my life - a healthy relationship, marriage, kids, etc. - but I'm so thoroughly stuck in social limbo in every way I can think of that the likelihood of me meeting someone is almost nil, nevermind their opinion of my fetish or anything more that might be. No therapy is going to fix that, so it's just a matter of making do as best I can. C'est la vie.
>>6063154
Exactly this, even if AGP is causing me issues I can't be open about it since it is something shameful to hide as far as society is concerned, most people will consider you worse than a crossdressing freak, while trans people will either hate you, think you're delusional or pressure you into transitioning.
There is no way to be open about it, even a therapist will judge you and depending on who it is think you're making it up, claim you're trans and pressure you into transitioning or worse.
>>6062791
outdated af
>>6063877
idk m8, my therapist is actually pretty good about it. gotta shop around i guess until you find a good one
>>6063622
If it's not hurting anyone, you don't need to feel so much shame and guilt. I used to.
>>6063949
But I really fucking hate being defective
>>6063949
It's not hurt anyone as long as nobody knows. That knowledge is a weapon that can be used against me at any time, and it doesn't come with a safety. Even if it doesn't bother a person, that knowledge gets filed away in the back of their mind. What happens in a month, six months, a year, two years, a decade, when I say or do something they disapprove of, or gain access to something they want, or they find any number of reasons they need to knock my off of whatever perch I clawed my way up? What happens if I finally manage to throw that natural 20 and meet someone who means something to me and I somehow mean something to them, but someone who knows I'm AGP doesn't approve?
All it takes is a "hey, did you know he has a hard time getting off unless he imagines being a girl? Watch out, he might go full Caitlyn on you" and just like that, there's a fight and yelling and crying. Absolute *best* case scenario their trust in me as a partner is permanently shaken, worst case, it ends right there because nobody wants to live with the possibility their spouse will throw away their entire life because they decided they didn't want to lead a life as that sex. And if my family finds out? I've had enough nights of being screamed at by my parents over my mom misplacing a bra for one lifetime. I'd prefer not to add being disowned to those memories, thanks.
I've told maybe a tiny handful of people I truly, truly trust I'm AGP, and I regret it often. My social standing is now wearing a bomb and I've handed those people a detonator they can use at any time. I see zero reason to give those out to anyone else if I can at all avoid it.
>>6064049
I was gonna type up this long thing about accepting yourself and blah blah but... You should find a therapist. A supportive one with whom you can explore these feelings, how it affects your life, what (if anything) you want to do about it. A good therapist shouldn't push you into any conclusions and won't judge you for your preference or identity. I was anxious about therapy for a long time but just having a supportive ear and a safe space to unpack your experiences and feelings is so very useful. Get therapy!
>>6064117
I'm sorry to hear that anon. It sounds like you've been hurt badly by people you trust. I remember the feeling of needing to tell people the truth.. And them not reacting well to it. It sucks that you feel like you can't ever do that again.
>>6063920
It is outdated on naming the condition, but as for how your life goes when you try to ignore how you feel, it's mostly accurate. The only part I remember changing is punishment against boys for being a bit feminine has softened up a bit.
>>6064125
Also skipped the long (deleted it actually upon reflection) nonsense.
This anon has some good advice and to add to it seriously make damn sure you're trusting out of desperation. I've seen two quacks who literally just give pep talks but don't listen and can't help.
I've found I can't speak to males anymore openly. It used to be the other way around.
>>6064162
I haven't, really, at least not that I can recall. I just know the score, and I know how people are. I've seen people withhold valuable information from me that I could have benefitted from until it was beneficial for them to have me know that information, long after its usefulness had passed for me. At the end of the day, people look out for #1. You don't need your trust betrayed to figure that out.
>>6064222
Luckily therapists are bound by confidentiality rules .. hint, hint.
Also your friends sound like shitty people.
>>6064117
I'm not telling anyone anything irl and I dont care.
Pic is my breasts after 1 year on hormones, I'm now 3 years 4 months into HRT
>>6064297
>3 years
have you changed docs already?
>>6064303
Why would I change doctors?
>>6064326
IDs is what I think they mean.
>>6064328
Ohhh sorry I'm half asleep! Yes I had a name change just over 2 years ago, yet to get gender recognition but I don't plan on going to prison anytime soon so I'm in no huge rush
>>6064333
Why didn't you get them done at the same time? Seems like a pain in the ass to change every document twice.
>>6064349
I've had no reason to renew my passport, when the time arises I will get my passport, gender recognition and birth certificate change done at the same time, for now deed poll documents are fine for Identification.
The sole reason was finances, deed poll alone was £130~
![images[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Jn5jEQo.jpg "images[2].jpg")
>tfw AGP hits again after ~month off
its so ridiculous it feels like split personality
>>6064384
The gender recognition thing is just a letter from a doctor saying you're going to live as whatever gender from now on, isn't it? That's the only paper I see that you need when you change gender on your documents.
>>6064891
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/tara-hudson-the-harrowing-reality-of-being-a-trans-woman-in-an-a/
Mentions gender recognition there, its not just a note from your doctor
>>6064941
I guess that's the UK then. Here in NJ, it seems the letter from your doctor is the only thing you need other than the name change. The birth certificate would have only needed a letter from a doctor saying the applicant has appropriately transitioned (meaning not necessarily needing SRS if you don't want it), but the governor vetoed that. At least the license doesn't require SRS.
http://www.transequality.org/documents/state/new-jersey
Posting here because regular mtf thread is dead. I really do need hrt though now that I think about it. Being on massive amounts of roids for the passed two years has pretty much worn my patients for people or anything really to virtually nothing. I cant even control myself after a certain point. I just kinda black out which is dangerous as hell.
>>6064297
Did you take hormones because of AGP?
>>6065959
Why have you been on steroids?
>>6066021
because I wanted to be strong and big and tough or at least thats what I thought I wanted.
>>6065959
sounds like you need mood medication, go see a doctor, internet wont help you
>>6065959
Why not start by coming off the steroids? While you do that, buy some HRT off of qhi, inhousepharmacy, alldaychemist, or unitedpharmacies. Shop around for the best prices.
>>6066047
been there done that. I'm pretty sure its been the roids though. I've never been this aggressive before. And I know I took the roids to repress how I felt about me being trans.
>>6066053
been off the juice for little over a month. Just ordered everything I need for hrt from alldaychemist. Now I wait.
>>6064125
I already see a therapist but she's not going to magically make me normal
>>6066060
anabolics dont cause it, they can only amplify existing problems, so called roid-rage only happens to some people who already had temper
chances are you would feel even worse on anti-androgens with depression and more mood issues
>>6064231
They're not shitty people, they're just people. Everyone plays the same game, but not everyone realizes it. Maybe I just read too much about politics, but I don't really blame people for hanging on to information until it's useful to them.
>>6066015
Nope I've been gender dysphoric since the age of about 5, I just came across this thread by chance
>>6065959
It was slow for an mtfg thread.
>>6066403
.... this isn't just an "alt" mtfg
>>6066475
No, it's an in-denial tlg, just as femgen is the in-denial mtfg. Although I have no doubt in my mind some of you will end up in mtfg.
>>6066493
ehhh, I think those are both stretches
>>6066475
I don't understand any of the abbreviations, if its attack on my 'trans legitimacy' I'm not going to listen to anonymous people on a message board that have no idea who I am
>>6066810
Now I understand. I never found the idea of being a woman arousing at any point so I cn't relate to AGP?
I wasn't even into crossdressing... except halloweens ^^ I used that date to express myself without feeling like a freak, it wasnt a sexual experience though
>>6066810
Anon is saying this is a thread for men who have a fetish and definitely aren't trans, nosirree bob not trans at all, 100% cis
>[sweating intensifies]
>>6066821
>I never found the idea of being a woman arousing at any point
What I find funny is that WPATH and others do not believe in the AGP/trutrans divide. Yet all the trutrans outside of agpgen cry foul about the evil hons/transbians/agps. But they'll use that same medical establishment to claim that transgenderism is real and transistion is the best treatment.
>>6067020
Yeah they just choose to ignore that AGP exists and just dismiss it as a thoroughly unfounded and insulting theory
>The proposed Transvestic Disorder category is not limited to crossdressers or male-identified people. It also targets transsexual women with a specifier of “autogynephilia,” a deeply offensive label
>>6067020
I suppose they would say that's because no one is right about everything.
I doubt trutrans will have any problems with AGP transitioners in the future because they'll all be starting at 12 anyway and look equally good. The problem trutrans have with AGP is the older transitioners who don't pass well, seem like outright creepy fetishists, are unpassable and dress with clothing for a 30 year younger age group, etc., once late transition is something that no longer happens, that obstacle to acceptance of AGP by trutrans will be gone. I'm sure the hatred is based entirely on appearances.
>>6067061
Really? I didn't even start experiencing AGP until I turned 13 and started masturbating. Most guys with AGP probably want to remain guys if then can do it, I would imagine. It is tough to just give up your identity, especially for a fetish.
>>6067522
I had some AGP thoughts since before I was 10. And because of that, as a child, I always thought it was strange my penis would be excited at the thought of its own obsolescence and destruction, as if it had its own will. But I had a few moments that came long before that that might have gotten me labeled trutrans if not for the later AGP.
at this point does it matter if i want to or i need to transition? is a lack of femininity going to kill. Im still going to even with these doubts. I'm not sure what i want to hear or think anymore.
>>6067773
what do you mean exactly?
in the case that you "need to transition" as you put it, well yes it would matter. if it doesn't matter, then I suppose you wouldn't need to.
you are still going to what? transition?
>is a lack of femininity going to kill
welcome to agp
>get on girly pills
>any minimal feminization excites like nothing else
>AGP intensifies
>tfw you got memed into becoming a tranny as a 'cure'
>>6067636
you can be both
>>6063337
That's because it takes mindfulness and impulse control, both of which millennials tend to lack. Once I accepted these feelings and understood that any steps toward realizing them would be a long way off, I felt better and learned to like my body more. My dysphoria is way lower now too.
>>6064297
Current pic?
>>6068837
>you can be both
This is me, it started out as AGP but turned into full blown dysphoria. Masturbators beware.
>>6068861
>millennials
>>6068892
god, iktf. like what the fuck? how did this happen to me? it's gotten to the point where i hate looking like a dude. wtf
>>6068837
You sure were meme'd alright. My AGP turned into full blown psychosis when I transitioned. I look back and realized how foolish I was.
Pretty much too late now, the pieces have scattered, I have to pick them up now.
>>6069550
Story? What went wrong and how are you dealing with it.
I'm not too deep and it feels too good to stop but scary at the same time.
I experienced a mix of dyshoria and AGP since my early teens. I felt an intense need to crossdress but never could do so. This was the late 90s. Yet Id read about transexuals and it never occured to me im trans. The desire to be more female intensified throughout my 20s. Now at 30 I suspect im trans.
Dont feel I can transistion because I look quite masculine. Dont have alot of money and cant be wasting it on FFS/laser/electrolyisis since the future is uncertain. Also concerned about the negative side effects of estrogen. I smoke weed erryday to cope.
I'm shocked that transistion for AGP is a meme. Here I thought it would make us feel much better but people would treat us worse.
>>6068837
I think you can be trans and AGP. But I think the "trutrans" label's reserved for the "homosexual transsexual" who never felt arousal at imagining themselves as women per se. I'm not sure about that, though.
>>6069882
You can be a truetrans (as having brain part responsible for sex identity/behavior of a woman) and still develop a fetish for feminization. Genetic women can have AGP too.
I'm not sure if this thread is where to ask this, but where do I get started with HRT?
>>6069950
I'm pretty sure trans gens have it in the faq with typical dosage and places to buy online if you cant get it officially via healthcare
>>6069681
All groups need someone else to feel superior to. Trannies have the AGP myth for that.
>>6069950
>>>/transhelpgen/
>>6070127
I can understand the hate
>AGP does not real
As it may seem we are having all the fun with none of the problems, just fap and go on living comfy life as men with no dysphoria. Not many are aware that AGPs can end up in the same boat of misery as 'truetrans'.
>>6070801
Well at least your having fun, there is gender dyshoric AGPs as well. :)
>>6070801
You not only have none of the problems, you actively create and spread problems for people dealing with real issues and make their lives that much harder by labeling your fetishism a debunked medical term used to condemn people with real dysphoria.
This is like someone with a vampire fetish telling people they have porphyria and should be looked at the same.
>>6071021
So /agpgen/, how do you indulge your AGP?
Cross-dressing, tg caps, whoremoans?
>>6071255
>whoremoans
>tfw you always forget to practice your sexy moans
i like this gen. some sane people for once.
>relatively speaking
>>6071424
How are those two different?
>>6071542
Does trans cause AGP or does AGP cause trans? Will we ever know?
>>6069550
what happened
shit
>>6071255
I'd like this question answered.
>>6071255
whoremoans, I was gonna stay manmode for life but apparently a lot of people think I pass...
>>6071892
I don't. I'm trying to ignore it and distract myself to make it go away.
I'm still growing my hair (been about a year already) and regularly get rid of body hair cause I hate them.
It still comes back in dreams and half-asleep state in the night/morning.
>>6071537
maybe it's because we're all [spoiler]straight men[/spoiler]
>>6070801
>tfw too tall and big man feet to wear slutty heels
>>6071992
you cant do that bruh. you have to analyze why you find that shit attractive, and keep asking why, layer after layer. i had an anxiety therapist that was really good at that. you gotta find ur root. i believe in u
>>6072005
tlg is full of straight men and theyre the most batshit bonkers of the board
ayy who here /intenseselfhatred/?
>>6072478
Welcome to the club.
>>6072469
fair enough i guess. i went there once...jesus.
>>6071255
Shitty fetish porn and convincing myself there would be no future in doing anything more than that. I've come close to buying clothes before, but I just don't want to risk getting on some mailing list by accident or having someone eventually find out. I'd be a pretty disgusting looking woman anyway, never mind a crossdressing man.
Sometimes I play female characters in RPGs too just to toy around with how I could've looked if I hadn't fucked up my body by being fat as a teen.
>>6072894
>I'd be a pretty disgusting looking woman anyway
If you're under 25, you might turn out alright and it's probably worth a shot if it'd make you happy. If you're even younger, there's a much better chance of you turning out well.
>I've come close to buying clothes before, but I just don't want to risk getting on some mailing list by accident or having someone eventually find out.
Just go buy a pretty dress or something off Amazon. The boxes are discrete, and as long as you have someplace to hide it no one's ever gonna find out. Hell, just keep it in the box and it won't draw any suspicion.
>>6073045
>tfw started titty pills at 24.83 y/o
d-does this mean i make it
also my autisms are commanding me to tell you it's "discreet" although "discrete" is a word it just doesn't mean what you think it means
>>6073112
>d-does this mean i make it
Chances are in your favor. Good luck.
>also my autisms are commanding me to tell you it's "discreet" although "discrete" is a word it just doesn't mean what you think it means
Huh, I always thought both definitions were spelled "discrete". Thanks for telling me, anon.
>>6073045
I'm older than that, and I don't want to let anyone down by experimenting with anything like that. As for buying things, Amazon seems like a good bet, but knowing Amazon it also means I'm going to have it in my order history forever and will get "suggested for you" items for the rest of eternity that will eventually pop up at the wrong time.
>>6073208
Just get rid of the browsing history on Amazon, and it should be fine.
Besides, who's gonna be using your Amazon account and see "suggested for you" stuff besides you?
>>6073235
Friends, mostly. It's really not a discussion I want to have unless I'm 100% ready to have it, which I doubt I ever will be. I also worry down the line there's a remote chance I could get involved with someone who might go through my purchasing history for benign purposes and stumble onto something she's not expecting.
>>6073290
so make a second account m8, it's not that crazy.
even so, if you ever get a gf, eventually she is going to have to know. you're not going to be able to take this to the grave with you
>>6073383
>not taking this to the grave
>keeping a gf
Pick one. Do you even agp?
>>6062944
That's from porn film my friend.
>>6073487
>implying i would ever be able to get a gf to have secrets from
>>6073208
There is nothing wrong with buying female clothes, you could be doing it for your gf/sister and thats what everyone would think. I did that many times in stores no problem both for others and for myself. The trick is to convince *yourself* that you are just buying a present for another girl so you act normal and don't get too exited. No one in store cares, I even tired on female jeans/trousers.
Mail order stuff is even easier. Even if people knew you bought a dress so what, it's not anal lube or panties, nothing to be embarrassed about.
>>6072469
I know at least some reasons, but what can you do when it goes back to your childhood,
just accept it and not feed it more?
>>6073165
not really, 25 is still old as fuck. 99% of the damage is done
>>6074042
>tfw 26 but still look kinda cute when crossdressing, boyish cute mostly though
>tfw i could be deluding myself
>>6074150
moot?
I rolled a natural 20 as some fat loser said and got a qt gf, but I was actually driving myself insane with (wat I think is) dysphoria because of it. I felt so hilariously bad about myself whenever she was in her underwear, or curled up against me. I felt like a disproportionate titan, with her seeming tiny against me. I was exceptionally needy as well...
I was most ashamed of my sex drive, because it was pretty much always on (started dating her pre-hrt), and with a guy it'd be easier to hide because I'd just go along with his rhytme.. she no sex drive at all though, except very early when I met her and then it's like she got bored of me. Barely ever used the strap-on
I feel rly agp lately and I wanna die saev me tittie skitties
I'm not exactly sure myself. I have always felt that I felt more akin to a woman's role in matters like sex, dress etc, and my heart's desire is to have had a life as a girl and become a woman, but I don't see how changing my current body will do anything to that effect. For instance, I've always wanted to do ballet as a girl, absolutely not as a guy.
I can dress up like a girl, but all I'd be is a man in women's clothing. I don't want to be a tranny, I want to be a woman. No amount of surgery or HRT will change that. I don't think it'll make me any happier or increase my standard of living. On top of that comes the privilege of being an attractive, tall young white male. I don't want to swap that around for a shit tranny card. I would swap it around for being a woman, but that's impossible.
I'll just have to live with that just as much as I'll have to live with the fact that I'll never get to vote for Donald.
>>6074815
>wanted to do ballet as a girl
i thought you could chose to do that when learning
>>6074883
Yeah. Never had the courage to follow through when I was younger. Small town.
>>6074815
I know that feel somewhat. Id actually be ok with being a qt transwoman. Im really worried about transphobia and being bottom of the totem pole because I doubt my passability and attractiveness. I'd probably be a translesbian so being QT would probably be even more important. Fuck Id probably wear womens clothing in guy mode but im scared to death of rejection, and it would make it even harder for me to get with women. Also I'm worried that AGP transgender is just a meme and ill hate estrogen.
>>6075192
>What do you two mean by learning ballet as a girl?
Learning in a female role than in a male role although the basics are the same.
>tfw your male body would still ruin everything
>tfw rest of the female dancers will still ostracize you for being weird
>>6074439
It's just a silly fetish that I got early on, I dont want to live as a woman, I'm not trans.
And my AGP had been pretty mild for years until I began to enjoy it way too much while having not much else going in my life and it started to consume all my thoughts. Ended up going dysphoric and feeling miserable. But it's much better now.
>>6075524
>I'm not trans
>ended up going dysphoric
>>6076010
>learn the girl's moves and then have to do guy's roles during performance anyway
Some of guy's moves are really physically demanding, they even make them do push ups and shit. Idk how would do it in performance if you've already excluded yourself from that kind of training.
>>6075524
>And my AGP had been pretty mild for years until I began to enjoy it way too much while having not much else going in my life and it started to consume all my thoughts.
holy shit are you me?
>>6069550
please respond pls
>>6075524
Dysphoria comes in waves, family.
It'll be back. Write down how you feel next time so you don't thing you're making it up like you do now.
>>6079587
writing it down doesn't make you feel like you're not making it up
>>6075035
It's not a meme for me, I've felt this way since I was eight, nine years old. I was intelligent enough to not show it to the outside world, especially in the strongly catholic area I grew up in the taboos were everywhere.
There is no way in life that I can ever pass, it's just not meant for me. Like I said, I don't desire a transsexual life, not even one where the outside world considers me entirely feminine. Falling back on the whole social construct thing, it's not enough for me to be a woman, I need to be female. A transsexual experience and a female experience are two separate things for me, and it's the latter that I need. I don't personally identify with the transgender community or trans-activism, for example.
My major fear is that my ability to suppress it wanes at some point and spirals me into something worse than I've had before. It's a waves type thing where I'm fine one day and the next I'm just really struggling with it. That makes it feel like a meme, but it keeps coming back.
>dress up
>look myself in mirror
>kiss myself
>get massive erection
>masturbate kissing myself in the mirror and riding my dildo
>Lick my cum
AGP is love AGP is life.
>>6077415
Guess its not uncommon.
>>6079587
I know it comes and goes. Imagining myself as a girl used to make me silly happy sometimes... then I literally cried over some beautiful taps photos cause its too late for me and I cant be like them. Or I can feel absolutely content being a guy and idea of feminization seems idiotic. It's like bipolar gender disorder.
>>6082380
lucky, you dont dislike your reflection
>>6040447
>People who pass 100% without taking hormones exist
It hurts
>>6082393
On the contrary, I hate myself but I can only orgasm like this.
how do you stop feeling like a loser fucking faggot piece of shit?
>>6084163
>Transition into a pretty girl
>Get a nice, comfy job
>Meet a great guy at work
>Start dating him
>Marry him and quit your job
>Raise his children and ride his dick
>Grow old together
Sounds like an A+ plan, doesn't it?
>>6084183
god no
>married
>children
>man
gross af
>>6038407
>You must have been into men since before AGP or HRT gave you cocklust.
Real women are gross, anon. Whats the point of being cute if you aren't going to be fucked by a bigger, more masculine man? This is why femboys and traps are god tier. You still get the top-bottom dynamic, but with 100% less roast beef and twice as many Y chromosomes. I sure as fuck didn't start fem&ms to live out some shitty transbian fantasy.
![[laughs geologicaly].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ONylCXC.jpg "[laughs geologicaly].jpg")
>>6088841
>fem&ms
>>6060674
>I've developed some degree of AGP bisexuality just by living with this condition.
Idk, I used to think the same, and maybe you're different, but after a few years on hrt and a couple relationships with ciswomen I came to the conclusion I'd been lying to myself for a long time about the fact that I really, really like other men.
Like, when I would watch porn I would always be fixed on the cocks. Then I started fapping to futa and traps, and I told myself I just had a dick fetish. So when I decided to give transition a go I was like yeah, I'm totally a transbian. But the same fantasies continued. I would go limp with my cis gfs, but traps and guys still made me hard.
>I notice im far more attracted to androgynous or feminine men then conventional men. Of course I think transwomen are quite hot.
Same 2bh. I prefer softer men, but sometimes I really want a much bigger man to dominate me. The raw masculine power and the size difference is really hot.
>Since ive had to present as a cis straight man all my life that has probably severely interfered with my bisexuality.
I think thats basically what it comes down to. And why I think the blanchard typology is wrong. Not that AGP or something like it doesn't exist, but that I think its nuanced and for some of us it has a lot to do with emasculation and socially repressed gay tendencies. Not everyone who experiences it will experience it the same way, but I can't just discount how many transwomen and I've met who suddenly discovered their gay side when it became socially acceptable for them to be with men. I don't believe that can be accounted for purely by saying AGPs only experience attraction to men by proxy.
tl;dr I was always a fag but I had no way of figuring it out until I transitioned
>>6088964
>be homophobic
>only watch solo girls/lesbo porn case men a
gross
>self-insert
>get bored of lesbo, start watching straight porn
>still self-insert as a girl
>develop cocklust
>go full-homo
