How do you faggots feel about Jack Donovan?
Roasties and trannies need not apply. This is a thread for men.
>>6003357
>rejecting gay identity
>has a fucking corinthian helmet on the cover
I dig him. The smartest voice of homosexual men in this generation.
>>6003482
Rejecting contemporary feminized gay culture, you mong.
>>6003482
what a dickhead amirite
>>6003488
I agree with this statement
But femininity is superior
>>6003507
That's very telluric negroid of you, and therefore also wrong.
Masculinity is both most constructive and sustainable. A world of just men would last, a world of just women would go asunder in less than a week.
>>6003524
I disagree with your hypothesis and substitute it with my own
>>6003357
Frotting fetishist that tries to force his fetish on everyone else's throat under the the guise of "muh masculinity, muh honor".
>>6003584
You have no way to prove that though, however all the military bases everywhere and through the history proves how much that guy is right.
>>6003995
>however all the military bases everywhere and through the history
>where masculine men organized themselves into a million men armies
>and immediately lost more than a good chunk of their men in wars
>due to bad luck, bad strategists, and territory disputes
>against other massively organized military men from other countries
>militaries and wars that have made countries and civilization unstable for years and years until finally one climbs on top, rules for x amount of centuries until finally they too crumble and the process starts all over again
our holy masc4masc prophet
>>6003995
Every empire has fallen
You call that sustainable?
Femininity is superior as appearance, as body...
Not as character
That's why I take AAs and estrogen, and avoid looking masculine, without changing gender and without acting like a fag
>That's why I take AAs and estrogen, and avoid looking masculine
>without acting like a fag
lol holy shit screen capping this shit.
>>6004159
It's true.
I think its unsightly when people past high school try to act all cute regardless of gender.
If you arent 12 year old girl, dont behave like that..you're going to be funny.
I'm pretty stoic, emotionless, quiet. I dont talkk in weird voice, I dont wear weird clothes, I dont make weird body language expressions. I'm 100% heteronormative male, in all ways except my body, which is changed by hrt, lasers adn other stuff
>>6004222
I can't breath lol
>>6004239
What's so funny? Are you insecure about something?
>>6004315
Lol no I am sure not miss
>>6004041
"Empires" don't fall, they change and evolve over time.
>>6004013
My point is that military institutions are amongst the most efficient institutions in history, no other type of institution came even close to their achievements. The only exceptions are scientific institutions and surprise surprise they are mostly composed by men.
Besides the only reason why women had the privilege of not going to wars was because those men did.
>>6004222
>I'm 100% heteronormative male
>I take AAs and estrogen, and avoid looking masculine
I dread to think about the mental gymnastics you had to go through so that sentence would make sense in your head.
>>6004356
Talking like a true reactionary there, inverting causes and consequences.
> males have ruled the world till very recently and subdued women to lesser social positions
> therefore women are inferior
> not realizing that the root of male domain over females in most societies is literally men's strenght
> a sexual hormone that increases muscle growth is the reason men ruled the world so far
And shit heads like you talk about superiority. There's no superiority. We're both sides of the human species.
>>6003357
I consider him a bigger faggot than the ones you see parading with dildo customes at pride
>waaah why do people do things i dont like
>waaah why wont people accept my superior way of having sex
>waaah why cant i be accepted among straight men i mean srsly guys im not gay i just like to suck dick ;-;
>>6003357
Afaik he's an alt-right writer which disqualifies much of what he says in my opinion but I haven't read the book yet. It just seems like a lot of 'HURR im i real gay I like manly men' and other such faggotry
>>6003357
So are femboys allowed? We aren't actually trannies so...
>>6004013
roman empire never fell, Catholic church in the remnant of it. Pope was ruling europe, a man in ROME was ruling europe for over a thousand years after the western roman empire fell, not to mention the eastern roman empire which lived on until the end of the medival age. pope still around tho, you don't think the catholic church could start a war if they wanted? eazzz
>>6003357
It boggles my mind how homosexuals can think that they are masculine in any sense of the word.
>>6003357
He's right
Men shouldnt act like faggots
>>6004691
>being attracted to men
>not being a faggot
pick one
>>6004650
It's called wishful thinking
>>6004129
>Femininity is superior as appearance, as body...
idk why do you like all this fat, boobs & wide hips. What a sack of a body.
Ask yourself a question, is female appearance really superior or are you merely brainwashed by our female-centric het society that puts femininity on a pedestal?
>>6004459
>women are equal to men
>but they've been held down by men for the entire length of human history
>and need special movements and programs to compete with men in the modern world
>>6004453
>a sexual hormone that increases muscle growth is the reason men ruled the world so far
Research shows that men have slightly higher mean IQ and higher IQ dispersion. That means there are 12 males with IQ > 140 for each female. That and 12% larger brain.
Males are not only physically strongest gender, they are also the smartest gender.
>>6004697
all fags are gay but not all gays are fags imo
depends on your definition of the word, i guess?
>>6003357
I agree with him on some point. Feminization is stupid. Monolithic party gay culture is stupid, I'd rather spend my life doing serious stuff.
>>6004759
>>6004823
But the Helens liked boyboobs too. Femboys are obviously closer to Plato's ideal.
>Being this insecure
>In 2016
Saw this on reddit today, I think it describes you guys perfectly lmao
>>6004870
>Freddie mercury
>not that faggiest fag to ever fag ever
>>6004870
>this is a faggot
both of those guys are straight though
>>6004860
They were pedos. This is Alexander's legacy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2C3JBdv520
>>6004906
>both of those guys are straight though
i think thats the point
>>6004906
>there's no difference between a fag and a gay man
>because i'm a giant fairy faggot myself
>>6004870
>discreet
anyone who uses this word is a waste of space
edgy insecure manbaby with bad opinions
>>6004419
>>6004759
I dont like fat, boobs and wide hips.
When I say femininity I meant either androgynous type or petite type...flat chest, short height, small hips, narrow shoulders, no body hair, no balding...I, too, hate fat cows like Kim Kardashian.
I also didnt want to be controlled by my sex drive, but that's another story.
What my definition of good looking is, and what where the reasons behind my "transition" is irrelevant. The point I was making, is that striving to look like a female does not make you any less of a male mentally, like >>6004640 noted. Especially if you have to make some radical sacrifices in the process, and strife for what you want.
It is not an overstatement that decision to chemically castrate myself to prevent further T damage(back then I ddint know what hrt is) was one of the most manly things I did in my life.
Feminine character is beautiful-in fiction. In books, anime, games...However, in reality, women tend to usually be weak willed, vain, non-confrontational, cowardly, manipulative, passionless...They value expression over essence, and live privileged easier lives which actually makes them into worse people.
>>6004870
This is about as retarded as accusing a nigger of internalized racism because he isn't a ghetto caricature.
>not being a walking stereotype = internalized homophobia/self denying
Fags that believe this are way more annoying than insecure mascth fags desu
>>6005940
gay dudes don't have to be fem but hating on fem gay dudes because it "ruins the gay image" is pretty homophobic imo
>>6004222
And despite all that, you still have fag voice.
>>6004789
Brain size means nothing.
Men and women have minimal structural brain differences.
Men and women have basically the same IQ, but for men it's more dispersed between the aspie geniuses and the total retards, whereas women are more in the middle with fewer geniuses but also fewer retards.
If I were running a society, I'd pick the latter tbqh because the retards are a drain on society and would destroy the world.
>>6003357
I almost came out when I saw a hot ex-coworker trying to be masc but was clearly a fem.
The only reason why I didn't ask him out because he's probably a tranny.
>>6005795
False equivalency.
Gay men are only taking on bro culture because they want to not be stereotyped and bullied and maybe have an in to such a few straight guy dicks. But it's all a pathetic act, and that's what people are making fun of.
>>6006002
this
no one's forcing you to be flamboyant and feminine if you don't want to be, just let people act how they want
>>6006067
gay men are attracted to men. The only other people who can love them back are other gay men. Femininity doesn't fit in this equation.
Be feminine if you want, you're probably a transexual anyways, but know that being feminine as a gay man is illogical, especially if you're trying to be attract a partner.
>>6006118
>femininity doesn't fit in this equation
Yes it does. A man doesn't need to be masculine
>>6006118
>being feminine as a gay man is illogical, especially if you're trying to be attract a partner.
But obvious gays always get more D
And plenty of gays like twinks or don't care
Had a guy once who was taking estrogen to look prettier though he was cis and he reported that more gay men hit on him than had ever before
>>6006134
That sounds more like gays looking for a gay bff
>>6006130
Agreed, but I'm referring to the flamers.
>>6006160
There are plenty of men who simply enjoy femininity in other men. Why is this so hard to understand?
>>6006168
I do enjoy femininity in other men once in a while. I also have feminine friends, but I'm not inclined to fuck them. As a gay man, I'm sexually attracted to men. The difference between males and females is masculinity and femininity. Why is this so hard to understand?
>>6006201
>why is this hard to understand?
Because it's not always true?
>>6006118
Have you ever even seen gay couples outside the internet? Flamer4flamer is the most common pairing.
Tons of gay men don't even like hairy bodies or other masculine traits. In fact, from the 90s to the early 2000s no gay guy (and very few women, for that matter) would have given you the time of the day if you had a beard. Facial hair only came back to be trendy in the last five or so years.
Thinking that gays are only attracted to testosterone sweating males is just dumb.
>>6006221
There's always exception to the rule, but with gays only covers 5% of the population, I'll keep my masculinity.
>>6006234
>2 flamers are easily recognized
no shit.
You may not know this, but grooming and breeding is not specifically masculine or feminine. The more you know.
>>6006299
there is a large percentage of gay men who either like feminine men or being feminine themselves. This isn't that hard
>>6006320
Gay men are attracted to men. Majority of men are masculine. This isn't that hard.
>>6006347
The relate of gay men attracted to men doesn't have to be the same as all the rate of all male-attracted people who are attracted to men
>>6006347
You're just afraid that if you admit twinks can be cute straight people will go "kek you like femininity that means you could date a woman"
>>6006357
Fuck I messed that up
I mean the rate of gay men who are attracted to masculine men doesn't necessarily need to be the same as the rate of all male-attracted people who are attracted to masculine men
>>6006370
>>6006357
Doesn't it though?
>>6006360
That implies twinks can't be masculine.
>>6006398
>doesn't it though
No??????
Have you taken any kind of statistics course?
>>6006062
Femboy who acts masc despite having a feminine body is hot
>>6006411
You're an idiot so I'll say it directly to you; It does. Correlation doesn't equate to causation, but I didn't brought up statistics. You do. The weight of proofs falls into your hands.
I only brought up a logical statement with general knowledge: Gay men are attracted to men, and most men are masculine. It's up to you to prove it otherwise.
>>6003488
poor little fag is mad he cannot be straight. So he needs to overcompensate with this imaginary "hypér masculinity". Sad!
>>6003488
Is he actually homosex? I watched some of his interview and honestly couldn't tell if he likes dick or not. I also googled him a bit and didn't find anything in this regard either.
So, is he full homo or not?
>>6006471
There's absolutely no statistics on the phenomenon so we have to argue based on personal experience and abstract arguments. My point still stands
>>6006484
That's the weakest argument I've ever read. And implying that my statement is abstract just to level our arguments as equal. Pathetic.
>>6006544
You don't seem to understand what the word abstract means.
>>6006554
You don't seem to understand what a logical statement is.
>>6006611
Gr8 comeback, real original
>>6006483
Please respond
>>6003357
He fetishizes masculinity about as much as flamers fetishize acting like a woman.
Different preference, same mechanism
I just say masc4masc and be done with it.
>>6003507
>But femininity is superior
Even calling it equal is a stretch at the best of times.
>>6005753
The delusion is overwhelming.... Jesus christ
You are taking hormomes to look like a girl. You are the opposite of manly. You are a huge faggot. You probably are one of the types mister jack donovan condemns and scrutinizes in his book. Seriously how delusional can you get, to think that "mentally masculinity" actually compensate your enormous faggotry? Just stop already, m'lady.
> castrating myself was the manliest thing I did
You know what, scratch that. Keep going. This is hilarious really.
>>6007588
Anon needs some handicaps if he's going to keep his masculinity from too far overtaking a whiny manchild rubbing his thighs together over a historical cosplay fantasy that he begs other people to help him fulfill because he's got too little self-actualization to enjoy his life without the validation via mimicry by an entire demographic. Jack Donovan, and the masc4masc "movement", are so far unmanly that it's become a bad joke. Maybe aromatization occurs collectively?
>>6006816
Then you haven't read any of his books or his writings.
For instance did you know that he only advocates frotting and mutual masturbation? The fixation with anal sex is of a feminine quality as one has to be dominated.
masc4masc usually follow into these gender roles.
>>6007588
Your way of thinking is feminine.
you value expression and exterior appearance over essence
that's what women do
>>6007690
Again, you have not read anything by Jack Donovan.
Masculinity is action, no appearance nor your way of thinking. Action.
The action of taking hormones so you can keep a certain type of appearance falls under your essence comment however. Good luck with that.
>>6007702
I made a radical decision and went through with it, against difficult odds and lack of support from pretty much anyone.
This is action, thought and essence.
>>6004398
No, you reverted backwards from the accomplishments of thousands of years ago. Even the Greek knew that getting women to fuck you is easy enough. Convincing an otherwise hetero male to love you is the highest form of masculinity and competition.
>>6007702
Also, defining masculinity as action is not Dono-chan's idea, but it's a concept of "masculine" developed by Goethe and Nietzshe
Anyone can be masculine according to this as long as they live in a certain way-a femboy, a mtf, a ftm, a cis female...
>>6007714
> a radical decision
> to castrate myself and take female hormones
Super manly.
>>6003357
>Reclaiming masculinity
Who took it away?
>>6003357
donovan is crazy...its gay fight club
its basicly gay self loathing and acting as str8 as posible
people need to be who ever they are and not try and fit some absurd prescribed version of gender identity
also, donovan is basicly crazy sexist
>>6008521
>donovan is crazy...its gay fight club
This, although to be fair Fight Club was already gay fight club.
if you wanna be masc or are, fine, but thats no reason to shit on another persons way of experiencing and being themselves
i was suceptibal to thisbs growing up becuase here were few gays in my school or city, my only experiences with gay was being called gay and faggot by bullies from a young age, soo when i cae to terms with being gay i went the "im no different then straight guys, i just like guys, im not gay" route......and it was damaging, i was, in soe fucked up survival instict, calous to anything to flamboyant or overly gay and i have to think that tis is where donovan comes from
iternalized homophobia
>>6008600
>i was suceptibal to thisbs growing up becuase here were few gays in my school or city, my only experiences with gay was being called gay and faggot by bullies from a young age, soo when i cae to terms with being gay i went the "im no different then straight guys, i just like guys, im not gay" route......and it was damaging, i was, in soe fucked up survival instict, calous to anything to flamboyant or overly gay and i have to think that tis is where donovan comes from
fuck this might be me
But I cant act flamboyant, it feels so unnatural and stupid...I dont want to transition into woman, and women dont act like faggots either..
>>6008610
>But I cant act flamboyant, it feels so unnatural and stupid...I dont want to transition into woman, and women dont act like faggots either..
you dont have to be flamboyant, im not, i just dont hate flamboyant people any more, or look on it as nesicarily a choice
i dont identify with alot of gay culture but i dont hate it eigther, im glad it exsists and i understand why it is how it is, i apriciate that even if its not for me its been a big help for many people
i like the idea of masc gay identity, i just hate donovans 'only right way' aproach to it, there is no one fir solution to people
>>6008535
so?
>>6008625
i find it hard to take a guy seriously if he thinks a entire gender/gender expression is pretty much inferior
>>6006398
Masculine twinks are called twunks or otters nowadays f.am
>>6008637
He isn't wrong.
>>6008732
Found the insecure jackass.
>>6006320
You're thinking of bisexuals
There's a large percentage of bisexual men who like feminine things and that includes boys that are fem
>>6003357
There was nothing masculine in Ancient Greece about the males getting sodomized. The Ancient Greeks didn't see the sodomized as manly, they saw the sodomizer as the masculine ones.
>>6009147
no, that's romans, not greeks
but who knows at this point
>>6006067
It's such a relief to know that I'm genuinely not interested in what I think I am and my entire identity has been a sham all along.
Thank you for helping me find my true self.
>itt: men being masculine is only an act
must be why everyone here wants to fuck this guy
>>6011033
I don't get this. On here, if a man is masculine he is
acting and overcompensating.
But, if a man takes hormones, acts flamboyant, or feminine he is just being himself.
I mean, clearly they are exactly the same thing just on opposite ends of a spectrum, neither or more true than the other.
Also I have no fucking idea who Anthony Burch is.
>>6011058
Lol like 50% of the gays on this board consider it the exact opposite
>>6003357
I agree with him.
Feminine men should be corrected.
>>6011058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ffZgq3yvB0
You should educate yourself on how you should act as a real man. Obviously, we're more attracted on how much of a faggot a guy is.
>being fem and flamboyant
See how that works out for you when you're 35+
You're going to be seen as a fucking joke by literally everyone. Better to nip that shit in the bud now and start acting like a normal man. Or transition and spend your entire life with mental problems.
