>A 14-year-old who was born a boy but diagnosed with gender identity disorder aged just three has told how difficult it is to date despite her stunning looks.
>Jazz Jennings, from Florida, who does not want to reveal her birth name, opened up about liking boys but admitted the opposite sex won’t talk to her and some even call her ‘it'.
Why can't she find a BF, /lgbt/? Why doesn't someone man up and date her?
shes 14
>>5970883
>how difficult it is to date despite her stunning looks
>despite her stunning looks
>despite
>stunning looks
Really? She looked like an alium her whole life.
Anyway, she just needs to start dating college guys when she gets to 16, that's what I would have done. Then again, Florida's age of consent law is 18, isn't it?
>>5970899
She looks like a Jew. It's only natural for anyone to be repelled by Jewy traits.
>>5970883
because she's still a kid
for young boys her age still going through puberty to have that much maturity or willpower the endure the criticism is alot to ask for at 14 years old man
blame masculinity for being such a rigid social construct that the slightest difference makes you less than :/
>>5970883
cuz she's not white
>>5970912
That's the other thing that's odd about her. Her siblings and she all look alike (same jaw shape), and like the father, but the mother looks nothing like them and Jazz is darker than everyone else.
>omg i don't have a bf i'm already 14!!! :(((
truly a woman
I would have fucked her when I was 14
>>5970898
rolf this
wtf is wrong with the world
when i was 14 i was playing neo pets i wasn't thinking about boys
world has gone to shit
>>5970883
>>>>/pol/69939792
Crossboarder pls go
>>5970883
14 year Olds don't belong dating. She should be still having slumber parties and riding her bike.
Why are boys not dating a transgirl at such a young age newsworthy? Fucking dehenerates.
>>5970883
>despite her stunning looks.
chuckled heartily
she looks fucking weird, what even is she?
>on puberty blockers from onset of puberty
>still needs ffs
>>5970974
I was thinking about that earlier today. Puberty blockers at 11, and she looks kind of odd. But her childhood photos show it has nothing to do with puberty.
I love how you all are dissing her but still using proper pronouns A++
>>5970883
omg wide shoulder already @ 14
she better start that E quick or she'll end up huge
of course boys won't be interested
doesn't help when she doesn't have bewbs
while not having the stuff boys want to see when they /accidentally/ lifting her skirt
>>5970883
>how come boys are so against sucking my dick? ugh like ya know?
>>5970883
Normal girls can get away with having awful personalities and still get guys because guys will put up with them anyways because vagina and boobs.
If you want to get guys as a transgirl you have to have a total knockout personality. She still has a normal girl personality
>>5970883
>Guys think, "Oh, if I like her, does that mean I'm gay?"
Well, yes.
>>5971005
We're just insulting her looks, not her gender identity.
Straight boys like pussy, like limp little useless dicks from ODing on estrogen during puberty.
Why would anyone even touch a tranny unless they have some fetish? To deal with their mental problems? And pay for their srs, because they think they're women so that means they expect others to pay for their shit.
I always find it hilarious that trannies are completely surprised that men don't want to fuck girls with dicks, you're a fetish for bisexual men who will settle for a real woman who isn't mentally ill and can have children.
>>5970883
Because its highschool
It will change when she hits 18
>>5970958
>>wtf is wrong with the world
>>when i was 14 i was playing neo pets
uhh, sorry to tell you this anon
>>5971180
>>If you want to get guys as a transgirl you have to have a total knockout personality.
bonafied tgirl chaser checking in
this is not true. hot/passable tgirls know they're desirable. just go on craigslist. there are actual girls out there that ask for MONEY and GOOD LOOKS.
They literally have so many attractive men trying to have sex with them that they can actually charge money and still get someone nice to fuck
>>5971273
>They literally have so many attractive men trying to have sex with them that they can actually charge money and still get someone nice to fuck
This is called prostitution, where people pay to get off. They have absolutely no interest in getting emotionally attached or dating them
>>5971291
probably cis girls though, right? being gay in HS is literally a death sentence. you don't come out anytime before your senior year
>>5970883
She looks like 20 and has an upper lip shadow,
>>5971310
>>no interest in getting emotionally attached or dating them
Anon, please read before opening your mouth.
>> girls out there that ask for MONEY and GOOD LOOKS
>>so many attractive men trying to have sex with them that they can actually charge money and still get someone nice to fuck
ou must not be in the black/latina TS dating scene if you are saying this
Ive had attractive mtf girls that I've fucked try to initially get me to pay them
I say no, so they're like, "well i'm horny so lets fuck"
again this is more the case with black/hispanic girls in poorer areas
>>5970883
She is 14 she is better off waiting for a real BF/GF anyway
>>5970949
She would be a baby/liquid when you were 14
>>5970883
This is disgusting and child abuse. His mentally ill parents messed him up in the head and put chemicals in his, body.
>>5971377
No. Society puts this fucked up stuff in kids heads. Then they end up crazy and mentally ill. That's why these freaks commit suicide so often. Also so society has become so twisted that it vilifys masculinity.
The attack on masculinity is cancer. Any one who is part of these disease minded cults should be shot.
>>5971505
>attack on men
Holy fuck you just unironicly said that put your tin foil hat back on and go watch fox news so you can fap to Todd starnes for fucks sake
>>5971505
No, it's due to hormone levels in the womb, not due to society. And if this really was part of an attack on masculinity, why does the trans community support trans men?
>>5970898
she was 15 in her show, so she's probably 16 by now
>>5970922
she's tan from playing soccer and not wearing sunscreen.
look at the old pics of her as a baby and she's lighter
she seems oudoorsy, so maybe she's just REALLY tanned.
>>5971580
Lol. Nice try faggot. By you're weak logic, kkk members hate blacks because they secretly are blacks. You're gayer than aids.
>>5971604
Does the KKK regularly post on black peoples' imageboards reminding them that being black is degenerate and a conspiracy against white people?
>>5971626
How is that even relevant?
>>5971626
Yes
>>5971626
Not him, but I wanna fuck and marry a tranny, but at the same time, also make being able to transition illegal cause it only helps a tiny minority within an already tiny minority.
>>5971626
You realize if being a trans wasn't taught or talked about in society their wouldn't be very many of them.
>>5971652
there'd just be a lot more unexplainable suicides from trans people who think they're the only one
source: I was a child before the turn of the century and I lived it
>>5971652
You don't have to know about transgender people to be trans. And suicide rate of transgender people would just increase in that case.
But I guess that's exactly what you want, sick fuck.
>>5971663
Your genitals determine your gender. Your chromosomes determine your genitals. Anything else is mental illness. Real science (not pseudoscience that was made up to help people rationalize their mental disorder) has proven this.
>>5971635
Because that's basically what /pol/ does here. We don't think they're closeted trannies because they spout trans hate, we think they're closeted trannies because of their obsessive focus on trans people. They go out of their way to harass 0.3% of the population and make up stories about them waging war on masculinity.
>>5971645
Why would that be reason to ban it though? It helps more people than it hurts, it's effect is positive overall.
>>5971652
Trans people have existed throughout history, even since ancient times. Just because people wouldn't be aware of gender dysphoria wouldn't prevent it from existing.
>>5971672
>Your genitals determine your gender. Your chromosomes determine your genitals. Anything else is mental illness.
So stuff like CAIS is a "mental illness"? Even though the condition only affects the mind slightly, if at all?
>Real science (not pseudoscience that was made up to help people rationalize their mental disorder) has proven this.
Source please.
>>5971674
>It helps more people than it hurts
I don't see it. Even when the most passing trannies still commit suicide.
>>5971680
Why are you assuming stopping people from transitioning would prevent them from committing suicide?
>>5970883
because that 'girl' is a man.
/thread
>>5971680
Maybe if people stopped relentlessly and ritualisticly bullying trans people, they wouldn't have to. Transition decreases suicide rates, but its all for nothing if people will still openly mock and disrespect them.
>im a tranny with a penis
>i was born this way
>its hard to date since gays want boyfriends with penises and straights want girls with pussies
Common sense seems to be lost with it.
Why doesn't it find another it to date, who will understand it?
>>5970883
>named jazz
>shitskin
>hook nose
>brown caterpillars for lips
Yeah, she wouldn't be popular even if she wasn't trans. Entitled brat.
>>5971684
Even when they're given what they need, they still do it. I don't know why. I don't think the years of pills and mutilation is worth it.
All I want to do is grandfather in any current trans people, marry a transgirl I'm compatible with, then make it illegal for any further to transition.
>>5971604
>kkk members hate blacks because they secretly are blacks
no more like they enjoy building up the myth of the big black cock they think is destroying their country and women so they can fantasize conquering it with their 'sissy holes' or sit in a corner and watch a bull breed their wife
you're delusional if you think nobody on pol is getting sexual pleasure out of berating fags and trannies
>>5971712
What evidence there is seems to indicate that transition helps overall. Even if it only helps a little bit, it's better than nothing.
What kind of shitty name is Jazz? And why would 14 year old boys want to date Jazz? They want vagina and boobs. Trying to shame them into pity dating a trans female with a dick is just ridiculous. She's also pretty unattractive overall, even when you don't include her nether regions.
>>5971699
>Maybe if people stopped relentlessly and ritualisticly bullying trans people
Maybe in America. What about Sweden, the most accepting of trans people where they still commit suicide?
>>5971740
What is the suicide attempt rate of trans people in Sweden?
>>5971740
It may be the most accepting place, but there is nowhere on earth where trans people are not harrassed.
>>5971740
>What about Sweden
30% of people here support a nazi party, and another good 30% are at least somewhat reactionary. And I don't mean nazi as in "Trump is a nazi!!", I mean nazi as in "founded by a former member of the Waffen SS". This country is shit, I'm planning on moving to Canada.
>>5971757
>nazi party
Lol. Fuck off, marxist. The Social Democrats created the Racial Biology Insitute, Centre had racial politocs into the sixties. Lika goda kålsupare. Get the fuck out, you won't be missed.
HELL SEGER
>>5971740
Are you referring to that one Swedish study? You do know that it was conducted in the 70s and 80s, right? Just because it was in Sweden doesn't mean that people were accepting of it back then. Those were different times, and methods of care for trans people were still primitive. Even today in the most liberal of places, transgenderism remains a highly taboo and polarizing issue.
Besides, that same study found that the suicide rate for those that received surgery after 1989 was statistically insignificant. The authors speculated that the improvement might have been due to advancements in transgender health care and improved societal acceptance.
>>5971757
your kind will make sweden into a caliphate so good on you I guess?? youre almost there.
>>5970883
don't worry, it's a reality show. They'll pay someone or bring in an actor to take her to prom or be her bf or whatever
>>5971291
>tfw I had a girlfriend at 13 (she was 14)
>she dumped me and got with some 18 year old later and got knocked up
>>5970907
He actually is a Jew. They changed his name for the show.
>>5970908
Or just blame it on him having a mental illness and being "diagnosed" with gender identity disorder and treating it by insisting the whole world indulge in this fantasy delusion.
>>5971318
No, there were raging homos too. The only other confirmed tranny I had seen came out senior year.
>>5971555
She looked the same shade in her child photos. I don't know what you mean.
>>5971769
Which is why I said that
>another good 30% are at least somewhat reactionary
Also:
>tells me to fuck off because I called his fave party "nazis"
>shouts SIEG HEIL and confirms that they are in fact nazis
>doesn't understand that this just happened
>>5971776
"My kind", as in people who read history and know that one of the founders of the Sweden Democrats was in the Waffen SS? Or are you assuming I'm a "cultural marxist" simply by virtue of me not being a nazi? Or are historial facts "marxist" now? kys
>>5971522
>>5971533
>>5971580
>all these ad hominems
Bullshit cowardice, ladies and gentlemen. The "transgender" exists solely in this freaks head and nowhere else. Females have two of the same kind of sex chromosome (XX), and are called the homogametic sex. Males have two distinct sex chromosomes (XY), and are called the heterogametic sex. If he wasn't born with male and female reproductive organs then he's not a hermaphrodite (fun fact: he wasn't!). But this is about feelings and not those pesky scientific facts, right? Well then, please continue reading!
>"41% of transgender adults report having ever attempted suicide, compared to 5% of adults in the general population and 10 to 20% of lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults, according to a U.S. study of almost 6,500 people."
This is child abuse, nothing more nothing less.
jazz wants dick so bad few more years and she'll be in porn
>>5971834
This.
>diagnosing children as transgender at age three
Lots of gay boys exhibit atypical gendered behavior as children as well. Doesn't mean their gender identity isn't male. Point being that age three or age fourteen is way to eary to know for sure in most cases.
>>5971825
Are you saying the rest of the parties are doing a better job of taking care of our nation?
>>5971860
Fucking hell no. That was my whole damn point.
>>5971852
The reason they commit suicide at such a higher rate than LITERALLY every other group is because even after they got a doctor to chop off their dicks, got the boob implants, and took the estrogen is because NONE of that actually addressed the real problem: THE ONE IN THEIR HEADS. This is not a physical problem, it's a mental one.
>>5971180
I get really hot guys into me just because I'm trans. If I was a normal ugly girl theyd never bother
Why is the issue here "omg boys won't date me" and not "my crazy parents decided I was a girl when I was a 3 year old"? Did they see the baby playing with a girly toy and go "oh it's totally a grl trapped in a boy's body"? What the fuck?
>>5972014
>child abuse
>>5971878
The reason they commit suicide at such a higher rate than LITERALLY every other group is because even after they medically reach the point where they're like 99.5% biologically female, there is an endless tide of dumbfucks like you, with no understanding of biology, to ostracize them.
>>5972085
Please explain the biology of it to me. Thanks
>>5972085
>99.5% biologically female
>an endless tide of dumbfucks like you, with no understanding of biology
>Females have two of the same kind of sex chromosome (XX), and are called the homogametic sex. Males have two distinct sex chromosomes (XY), and are called the heterogametic sex. If he wasn't born with male and female reproductive organs then he's not a hermaphrodite (fun fact: he wasn't!).
Like I said, those pesky little scientific facts don't matter at all when they don't fit into your psychotic left-wing agenda, do they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder
The above is a link to another mental problem concerning dissociation with the physical body. According to your "logic" a doctor should be allowed to cut off these peoples limbs because they "don't belong there" according to the patient, right?
>>5972157
You really can't see the difference between cutting off an arm and SRS? Reaaaally?
>be perfectly responsible upstanding doctor
>parents bring this in
>says he acts very feminine
>i suggest the best course of action
>let's chemically mutilate it
>and later physically mutilate it
>the only sensible thing i could think to do
>>5972225
Please feel free to explain the difference.
>>5972225
>Reaaaally? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!
>>5972233
1. There are other effective medical treatment for BIID. Therapy and psychoactive drugs have been shown to resolve the problem in most cases. For many transgender people, such treatments do not sufficiently allow them to maintain a functional life. For these people, transitioning is the most effective medical treatment to address their dysmorphia.
2. Undergoing amputation of a limb affects your ability to function in day-to-day-living. It affects your ability to eat, work, it affects your overall body health. It affects your ability to clean yourself, take care of yourself, and shield yourself from harm.
Transitioning does not damage the ability to live a functional life in the same way that limb amputation does. The largest downside is lost reproductive ability, which is lessened by the possibility of adoption or surrogacy. If you think that the slight change in muscle mass is equivalent to losing a limb, I invite you get together with one of your friends and have a little competition where one of you decides not to work out for the rest of the month, while the other decides to tie one arm behind their back every day after getting out of bed. See which one of you has a harder time getting through the month.
3. Surgery for limb amputation is significantly more dangerous than SRS or hormones, which raises the bar for amputation to be considered the best possible medical alternative.
>>5971318
Maybe it's just because I'm young (only graduated last year) but my high school had a lot of gays and lesbians and even a transgirl. I don't remember seeing anyone ever get bullied for that stuff. I don't think it's because of my location either since I live in Indiana.
>>5970883
If someone wants to cut their dick off and be a woman, I don't care. Let them do whatever they want.
But don't complain that I won't put my dick in them.
You are free to do what you want, I am free to do what I want.
>>5971850
I hope not, someone who transitioned as young and with as much family support as her becoming a porn actress would make us all look like fetishists.
>>5972317
>But don't complain that I won't put my dick in them.
I believe their right to complain is protected under the right to free speech, just as your right to say you will reject them is, no?
>>5972324
Ok, don't act as though they're entitled to it.
Because thats the thing, just because you changed genders does not suddenly entitle you to having people be attracted to you.
>>5972293
The hypocrisy and double standards in this post are amazing, not to mention the selective use of masquerading your "opinion" as fact.
Basically your argument boils down to:
>BIID patents shouldn't be allowed amputations
>because it's unhealthy
>and trans should be allowed amputations
>because it's so very healthy
This is how ridiculous you sound.
probably scared she's going to peck them to death with her fucking beak
>>5971534
>why does the trans community support trans men?
Because they're all fucked in the head, that's why.
>>5971670
>And suicide rate of transgender people would just increase in that case
You say that like its a bad thing.
>>5972301
Damn it's changed so much in 4 years
>>5970883
>Why can't she find a BF, /lgbt/? Why doesn't someone man up and date her?
'Murica, that's why.
She's only 14.
Do you really want to put your penis into a butt for your first time? Or would you rather a vagina if you're straight?
It's still pretty gay
She's honestly not that attractive
White Girls > Brown Girls
>>5971505
I agree that masculinity is under attack, and that misandry is a problem in our culture.
I also agree that you're a fucking idiot.
>>5971626
TBF 4chan is at its core a right-wing website and this subforum only exists out of opportunistic completism.
>>5972157
Because the womb and the human genome have the capacity for encompassing both genders (i.e. male and female hormones, genes outside of the XX/XY phenotype). There's no gene or hormone that determine the existence or nonexistence of a limb AFAIK, just like the womb contains no animal genes or hormones, thus making the common "Otherkin!!!" argument moot.
>>5970883
>why can't she find a bf
being on a fucking tlc show doesn't help
>>5972609
>Because the womb and the human genome have the capacity for encompassing both genders
>genes outside of the XX/XY phenotype
Yeah, conveniently ignore the fact that doctors can test for genes outside of the XX/XY phenotype (which Jazz doesn't suffer from, but never mind the facts here, right?).
It's also a fact that the human genome has the capacity to produce Down's syndrome, and by your logic if someone who doesn't have Down's identifies as one then a doctor would be well within his rights to administer some type of gene therapy to "mutate" them.
It's astounding how completely unethical and irresponsible you are that'd you'd stoop so low just to dogmatically adhere to an agenda.
>>5972709
Yeah, we're all familiar with the lefts tactics when their argument's are all exhausted and defeated.
>strawman
>ad hominem
>evade
>etc.
>etc.
Prove me wrong though, I'll wait.
>>5972279
>Look guys, he used a meme! That means he won the argument!
>>5972766
Now I'm going to point out how you posted that instead of an actual argument.
The truth is that you've read through my posts and you can see I'm logically unassailable and now you're trying to distance yourself instead of admitting you're position is wrong. It's a sign of intellectual weakness to not be able to reassess an idea that's been thoroughly destroyed by a simple argument against it.
Prove me wrong though, I'll wait.
>>5970883
Because even the lucky trans are suffering a worse fate than the worst cancer victim
>>5972886
I'm trans and life is suffering but I wouldn't go that far.
>>5973163
I'm a trans with cancer and I would
>>5971545
still too young she's gotta wait till 18 before a guy even looks at her sexually then she's got to deal with guys only liking her because she's trans instead of people disliking her for the same reason.
I have liked trans girls for a very long time(13) and didn't accept it till i was 17 and i'm a fucking rarity to be 22 now and to be open t my friends about it so this >>5970908 post is so right it's the age
>>>/pol/ please go home.
Man I get so tired reading all these posts by neckbeard types who can't carry objective arguments in a respectful manner, and act as if the lack of outside willingness to engage with them is due to their superior opinion
It sure is a good thing social progress here is inevitable and their misdirected hostility will be considered libelous 20 years down the line.
philosophy > debate 2bh
>>5971291
I read this in a scottish accent
Somewhat unrelated here but
>talking with assistant manager
>he asks if I would fuck a guy who looks like a girl
>tell him yes
>he says he would too, a hole's a hole
>agree
>he say's it's not gay
>tell him I think it's not totally straight but few people are
Literally an average day at work
>>5970922
>Maybe you're a bastard child ya think?
>Mom and dad are white and you're dark as ink
>maybe you're sicillian with a tan?
>but you hate lasagna and the pizza man
Now you stand on the gravediggers lot
Your singing a tune about the rough life you got. Not
You don't wanna live no more
>>5970883
Hows her dickmeat? I'm considering it, but I don't want useless vagina.
>>5971291
At ny inner city school, girls were govong head at 12. Sluts gonna slut f a m
>>5971505
Fox news comment section is that way
>>5971834
>Bullshit cowardice, ladies and gentlemen. The "transgender" exists solely in this freaks head and nowhere else. Females have two of the same kind of sex chromosome (XX), and are called the homogametic sex. Males have two distinct sex chromosomes (XY), and are called the heterogametic sex. If he wasn't born with male and female reproductive organs then he's not a hermaphrodite (fun fact: he wasn't!). But this is about feelings and not those pesky scientific facts, right? Well then, please continue reading!
The scientific facts are that gender dysphoria is a real condition, and the best available treatment is taking cross-sex hormones and living as the opposite gender. And the XX/XY binary is NOT a scientific fact, it's a human-created approximation of biological sex.
>This is child abuse, nothing more nothing less.
Denying treatment to children with medical conditions is child abuse. Do you have any evidence that the suicide rate among gender dysphorics would be lower if they didn't transition?
>This is not a physical problem, it's a mental one.
Yes, in the same way running your hard drive over with a truck is a "software problem". Dysphoria is located in the brain, but it's caused by the physical structure of the brain.
>>5972157
>
The above is a link to another mental problem concerning dissociation with the physical body. According to your "logic" a doctor should be allowed to cut off these peoples limbs because they "don't belong there" according to the patient, right?
Our "logic" is that not all medical conditions are the same, and as such they shouldn't automatically be treated the same. What works for one condition might not work for another. Applying "one size fits all" to medicine is literally medieval thinking.
>>5972385
>all diseases are the same
>chemotherapy helps treat cancer, so we should use it to treat gunshot wounds too
This is how ridiculous you sound.
>>5972408
This is typical of /pol/ conspiracy theories. They depend on the assumption that everyone else is insane to make sense.
>>5972422
It's trivially obvious that an increase in suicide rates is not indicative of an effective treatment.
>>5972688
>
It's also a fact that the human genome has the capacity to produce Down's syndrome, and by your logic if someone who doesn't have Down's identifies as one then a doctor would be well within his rights to administer some type of gene therapy to "mutate" them.
Are you strawmanning or do you just have a mutation on whichever chromosome triggers the growth of brain cells? We don't favor transition just because "that's what someone identifies as", identity itself is a matter completely outside the medical profession. We favor transition as a treatment for gender dysphoria because it's what works best for treating that specific condition.
>>5972752
What is there to prove wrong? All you keep doing is repeating "muh chromosomes muh chromosomes" over and over again while refusing to even address the fact that gender transition has been shown to be the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria.
>>5972797
Your argument depends on the assumption that since GD and BDD have somewhat similar symptoms, that the causes and treatments must be similar as well.
>WHY DONT BOYS LIKE ME WAAAHHH
probably because you're literally a boy in a dress
>>5976270
This. Being gay is an abnormality, that's why it's called a deviation. There will never be a day when a deviation is considered normal ''''''''''by definition''''''''''. There will ''''''''''never'''''''''' be enough gays to accomplish the objective of normalizing this deviation. The ''''''''''freak's'''''''''' going to have to find another ''''''''''freak'''''''''', and given the fact that ''''''''''by definition'''''''''' freaks are an uncommon occurrence this ''''''''''freak's'''''''''' going to have to wait for its lottery numbers to come up.
lol all these virgins in this thread that didn't lose their virginity at their first middle school dance.
Hello I am from Florida where are the trannies
>>5976155
>and the best available treatment
Stopped reading right there. Lobotomies use to be the best available treatment too.
>>5976270
Built like a fridge
>>5970905
Her looks are stunning. Like a taser to the face.
>>5970922
>my wife's son
>>5970908
Rather, the vast majority of men don't want to have sex with another man- even if it "looks" woman-like.
>>5971505
>Attack on masculinity
Ftms?
>>5976572
>not wanting to suck his dick and blast his boipussy
what are you one of those fucking disgusting straights or something?
>>5971803
>"pretty"
>that hook nose
>that ugly smile
>>5976609
Uhh.
>too much dude
>>5971141
lol, yeah. Why are trannies so entitled and pushy?
They think they're "normal" girls. No. No you aren't.
We gays know we're degenerates and we've had to hold back our crushes because we know- we're "queer". Trannies just expect the whole world to suddenly accept them.
>>5976661
>They think they're "normal" girls.
Almost sort of like it's a ....mental illness?
If you think trannies are so mentally ill, what's the point in arguing with us? What's the point in complaining about us wanting societies acceptance? Do you hate schizos for their beliefs?
>>5970883
I wouldn't hit that even if she was born a girl. She is just ugly.
>>5976689
>Do you hate schizos for their beliefs?
No, nor do I humor their mental problems by pretending that "Oh, Schizo! You think you're God today, huh? Well, yes lets all accept that as the truth because you erroneously believe that!". Or how about "Oh, you're an alcoholic? And now you're drunk and you think you're perfectly capable of driving yourself home? Well, in your inebriated state you obviously believe that so it must be the true!".
You're not pushing your bullshit onto me without an argument, sorry.
>>5976495
"Used to be" is the key word here. Transition is the best treatment that we have _RIGHT NOW_. When a better treatment comes along, we can switch to that. And I'm not opposed to investigating alternative treatments, but we shouldn't give up on current treatments simply because something better _MIGHT_ be available someday. Even if someone traveled back in time and told doctors that in the future lobotomies would be considered ridiculous and primitive, they would have no reason to switch unless you also gave them information on what treatment works better. And that's where we are right now. We acknowledge that transition isn't perfect, but the basic principle of the medical profession is to do what works best.
>>5976739
Do trannies endanger other peoples' lives by identifying as the opposite gender?
>>5976739
Well that's good for you? What do you think trannies are gonna do? Get rid of their delusion magically because you think they're crazy?
>>5976811
>Even if someone traveled back in time and told doctors that in the future lobotomies would be considered ridiculous and primitive, they would have no reason to switch unless you also gave them information on what treatment works better.
Holy shit, you're crazo as fuck. For real.
>Do trannies endanger other peoples' lives by identifying as the opposite gender?
Ah, you conveniently ignore the mental schizo part, but jump right to the harm? Somebody willing to mutilate themselves chemically and physically is a danger to themselves if no one else. But lets forget that suicide rate thought, right?
>>5976812
I think it starts by calling it what it actually is rather than letting the mentally ill call the shots, yes.
Jazz should just get the surgery. Would solve a lot of issues
>>5976689
>If you think trannies are so mentally ill, what's the point in arguing with us?
There is no argument actually.
>What's the point in complaining about us wanting societies acceptance?
You have to meet people halfway. Don't expect everyone to like you. That's not realistic for anyone, much less trannies. Second, don't shame and talk down to the guys who are actually into you as "fetishizing" you. They like you for "you" so be fucking grateful and be nice.
>Do you hate schizos for their beliefs?
Totally depends on their belief. You act like mentally ill people can't be obnoxious or unpopular.
>>5976889
Why don't you go complain to doctors and therapists then instead of us
>>5976945
Why do you assume I'm not doing exactly that?
>>5976811
>Do trannies endanger other peoples' lives by identifying as the opposite gender?
The word you're looking for is "posing" not "identifying". And have you seen some trannies? Some are definitely criminal looking and it has nothing to do with the typical prostitution.
>>5970883
she needs to realize that no matter how well you pass or how attractive you look to people, getting a bf is still extremely hard because thats just the way society is when it comes to tranny degens like us... tfw guys hit on you and you can't react like a cis girl cause you're a tranny freak.... feels bad...
>>5976956
cause you're sitting here, trying to talk your nonsense into people,
who by your definition shouldn't be able to comprehend it, due to their severe delusions
>>5976889
>Holy shit, you're crazo as fuck. For real.
Could you perhaps explain what I said that is wrong? I'm not particularly knowledgeable on lobotomies, but if they indeed did do more good than harm (as gender transition does today) it would be the logical choice for treatment until something better comes along.
>Ah, you conveniently ignore the mental schizo part, but jump right to the harm?
Well, because drunk driving can kill people. Even sometimes innocent, non-drunk people. Whereas if someone wears a 19th century military uniform all the time and asks to be called Napoleon, I really see no problem with it. Sure, I might find it weird or offputting, but as long as they're not hurting anyone I'd say it falls under freedom of expression. People can act how they want, I'm free to judge them insofar as whether I want to be friends with them or whatever, but failing to conform to social norms doesn't automatically make one mentally ill.
>But lets forget that suicide rate thought, right?
You're assuming that the chemical and physical "mutilation" CONTRIBUTES to the suicide rate. Unless you have a study comparing the suicide rates of otherwise similar populations of non-transitioned trans people and transitioned trans people (which would be difficult to do ethically since it would require denying treatment), you really can't make that claim. So far all such studies I've seen compare transitioned trans people to the general population, who are mostly not trans to begin with. They fail to isolate TRANSITION as the deciding factor in the suicide rates. And improvement in "quality of life", although not really concrete and somewhat subjective, seems to point to transition helping trans people. Sure, it's not the kind of hard data we'd like, but if "quality of life" improves, it would be expected that suicide rates would go down as well. So basically the burden of proof is on you to show that the suicide rates are worsened by transitioning.
>>5976811
>Do trannies endanger other peoples' lives by identifying as the opposite gender?
Well yes. Considering how MTF trannies are so at risk for AIDS, you risk spreading it to people who aren't at risk.
Maybe she should have been born an ftm
i have no problems
>>5976959
So "looking criminal" (whatever that even means) is itself harming people? And besides, unless you can show that this "looking criminal" is a consequence of identifying as the opposite gender, you can't even claim that cross-gender identity is even INDIRECTLY harmful to other people.
>>5976889
>I think it starts by calling it what it actually is rather than letting the mentally ill call the shots
Agreed.
So why don't you tackle a bigger delusional societal plague, like Christianity, instead of 0.1% of the population
>>5977109
That's not really a direct consequence of gender transition though. It's entirely possible for an AMAB person who identifies as a woman to practice safe sex. It's a problem in the trans community, but not innately a consequence of identifying as the opposite gender.
>>5977129
>like Christianity
>Not Islam
kys
>>5977117
>So "looking criminal" (whatever that even means) is itself harming people?
Hons harm the eyes.
Also I was implying that many trannies are hookers (to pay for surgery, hormones, etc.) and hookers are criminals, therefore if you look like a hooker you also look like a criminal.
Also, calm the fuck down.
>>5977371
You said "it has nothing to do with the typical prostitution" which made it sound like you were talking about something OTHER than prostitution. And I don't think we should consider being ugly as harming people, that's a massive slippery slope and to be fair we should apply it to cis people too.
>>5977383
See? You are crazy.
>>5977412
Could you elaborate? What did I say that you find "crazy"?
>>5976551
>"transition" at 3
>look like a hon
If you need blocks and hormone to pass, you're still a hon.
>>5977477
But you're crying and angry right now.
>>5977507
No, I'm not. What makes you think I am?
>>5970883
I'd like to get a handjob from her, get the Jazz Hands
>when an entire board is easily baited
>when so few are collegiate level on the entire site
>when the bottom 10% of society are deemed worth your time
wastes
