>Attracted to women
>Born with body made for having sex with women
>Have body altered by hormones and surgery to become the opposite of what has sex with women
Why do transbians do this?
I still don't know. I was born with XXY chromosomes. I can't pleasure women. I can't even hold an erection longer than 20 seconds. And honestly I can barely stand women much less have them as a romantic partner.
because I'd rather be alone on estrogen than married as a man
I'm doing alright for myself romantically though, but thanks for your concern op
>>5916334
>alone on estrogen
But literally the only reason to even care about your body's sex traits is in the context of sexual relations.
>>5916359
Are you serious? you are truly a fetishist if you believe this
>>5916309
the question is for transbians, dumbass
>>5916384
There's a reason why they're called sex traits. If you were the only person alive on the planet would you still want to take hormones? What would be the point?
>>5916390
The point is to alleviate the mental anguish that comes from the feeling of piloting around some one else's body
>>5916404
So plain narcicism. To look like a cute girl in the mirror alone.
>>5916285
dsyphoria
>>5916486
Ya.
>>5916285
idk
probably cause gender and orientation aren't the same thing
>>5916388
I'm just saying that I'm confused that normal guys with agp transition
>>5916404
>The point is to alleviate the mental anguish that comes from the feeling of piloting around some one else's body
Then why don't male dogs suffer from dysphoria when you remove their testicles? They don't care at all because they aren't indoctrinated with memes like:
>>5916515
>gender and orientation aren't the same thing
And we as a society don't feel bad about neutering dogs precisely because we all recognize on some level that the only thing sex traits really matter for is having sex. We want to keep dogs from reproducing and creating more dogs without homes, so we remove their sex organs. Transitioning because you want to functionally have sex as a woman makes sense if that's what you're into, but transitioning to be an outlet when you want to plug into other outlets is just a case of people getting memed into believing an abstract idea that actually makes no sense in biological reality.
>>5916668
by that logic all gays should be mtf and all lesbians ftm
i mean if the only reason for anything sex related is to fulfil your weird dick and vag quota
>>5916668
In mice studies there is a "modest and consistent" increase in anxiety and depression following neutering, humans also experience elevated depression following orchiectomy and ovary removal.
You're literally making up everything you're saying you power autist
I'm not sure but idk if it matters cuz estrogen made me crave dick anyway
>>5916668
>Then why don't male dogs suffer from dysphoria when you remove their testicles?
Maybe they do? Has it ever been measured?
Removing a cis males testicles and pumping
them full of estrogen if they are not trans causes negative emotions.
>>5916668
Look I'm not the biggest fan of trannies but damn, what a stupid argument. Ignoring the fact that we can't tell what dogs are thinking and so don't even know if they suffer from dysphoria or whatever, neutered animals behave incredibly different from intact animals. That's why we do it, not just because we want to stop animals from fugging.
>>5916620
it kills their sex drive so it's beneficial either way
>>5916620
AGP is weird shit, it slowly gives you dysphoria even if you are not innately feminine or anything.
Somewhere in that I started to prefer guys too even though I was a normal straight boy.
>>5916682
>by that logic all gays should be mtf and all lesbians ftm
Nah. Pointing out it doesn't make sense to alter your sex traits to go against the kind of sex you're into does not logically imply you ought to alter your sex traits to work towards the kind of sex you're into.
By analogy, it wouldn't make sense for a normal / healthy 6'2 man to have his legs surgically shortened to bring his height down to 5'10 when he wants to be an NBA player, and pointing out that it doesn't make sense would not logically imply a 5'10 person should have his legs surgically lengthened if he wants to be an NBA player. Just because doing it in that first direction is obviously pointless and counterproductive doesn't imply people ought to do it in the opposite direction. It's true being tall is generally considered helpful for being a professional basketball player, but you don't need to have your legs altered to fulfill that desire.
And again, we're talking about someone saying they'd still want to take female hormones even if they were the only person on Earth, which makes no sense since you wouldn't be interacting with other people to use that exogenous femininity with. If you're alone, you're just like the neutered dog who doesn't have testicles but also doesn't care because his life is living in a house and chewing on tennis balls and no longer has anything to do with sex.
>>5916755
iktf
I was so straight I only watched lesbian porn but ever since hormones I can't think of women being anything other than friends to me.
No more post updates because a group lost the game
>>5916758
It is literally painful for someone with a female gender identity to physiologically function as a male and vice versa. This is the premise of why trans people transition. Your response is "but hurr durr muh dogs, muh gender identity don't real" but that's the answer, sorry you don't like it chum
If you were in agonizing pain but could function perfectly fine physically and emotionally it wouldn't make sense to take painkillers that cut your energy by 3.6% according to your autist logic
>>5916285
Degenerate society encourages them.
>>5916792
>If you were in agonizing pain but could function perfectly fine physically and emotionally it wouldn't make sense to take painkillers that cut your energy by 3.6% according to your autist logic
No, painkillers make sense for pain because pain is real. Dogs get painkillers too.
>muh dogs
Dogs make for a good reference point as to what's socially constructed bullshit and what isn't.
I think if I want something, have the money to do it, and doesn't infringe on the rights of others that the logic behind it is moot incomparision of those who gains from it.
Hell, if I don't feel like a woman but all things above applied and I want scissor with some woman, then I don't give a damn if it doesn't make sense.
But I want girls to put things in me!!! :O
>>5916844
I fully support your right to do whatever you want with your own body. But I also believe in my right to make it clear to impressionable brainwashed young men who are about to make life changing decisions that what they're doing is in fact because of a meme and not because of a real physical medical condition.
>>5916359
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>>5916812
Explain exactly how you can know a dog "doesn't have gender dysphoria" then.
>be trans woman
>be around ftms
>we just make each other jealous
awkward desu.
>>5916877
but i want to be qt like the girls in my anime!!!!!!!!
>>5916877
Why do you even care about "saving" these "wayward young men"?
>>5916877
Agreed. Just be honest and do it because you want to. No excuses. No explanations necessary. Fuck everyone literally and figuratively.
>>5916812
The pain is just a construct of your mind. If you can have sex and function outwardly normally you have no reason to take the painkillers.
Just man up and take the pain fag
You wouldn't give a dog painkillers if it was having pain and didn't express it because you wouldn't know it's in pain
>>5916891
Dysphoria is a profound state of unease or dissatisfaction. If dogs were genuinely made to feel a profound state of unease or dissatisfaction in response to neutering, why would it be a standard practice among new dog owners to have that procedure done? People care about dogs more than other humans in a lot of cases, I'm pretty sure we're not accidentally inflicting a mass species-wide dysphoria on dogkind.
>>5916917
>You wouldn't give a dog painkillers if it was having pain and didn't express it because you wouldn't know it's in pain
Unless the dog was completely paralyzed you would notice if it was in pain. Pain is a noticeable behavior bodies display.
>>5916925
-neutered dogs do have elevated anxiety and depression
-additionally, ovariectomized monkies are less social, more fearful, etc
-overectomized and orchiectomized humans experience dissatisfaction
-It does not follow that if a small group of individuals is in pain due to their physical sex, every individual would feel equal pain if their hormones were depleted
-what does it matter if it's socially constructed? If self awareness is required for you to be aware of, and thus distressed by your sex, why does that matter?
-your original question is why they do it and you've been given the answer. You just don't like the answer
>>5916948
>what does it matter if it's socially constructed?
Because it's presented as a medical condition when it's actually a social fad, and impressionable people believe the medical condition lie and radically alter themselves in a physical way only to realize after the fact they were under the influence of a meme. If you reveal the meme to people though you can help prevent this from happening.
>>5916962
Why do you want to prevent that from happening?
It's not your life or your body.
>>5916962
How does it follow that it's not a medical condition if it has social causes?
If someone develops severe incurale social anxiety because they are socially berated by peers constantly growing up is their social anxiety not a medical condition?
How can you know whether it's human social features that cause gender dysphoria or human self awareness that causes it, assuming no dogs ever have gender dysphoria?
Again, how can you know no dogs ever have anxiety because of their sex?
And even if it was entirely causes by social conditioning, how do you know that it follows that it can be cured with social conditioning? If so, how do you know that your "revealing meme" method is the way to cure it? What if the way to cure it is to call them cute sissy princesseses 5 hours daily for a week then poof, normal straight man?
>>5916962
>under the influence of a meme.
I'm epileptic: Nobody can exactly explain to me WHY it happens. They can only treat it so my neural receptors don't fire too quickly.
Why does anyone feel anything or want to look or feel a certain way? I don't really know.
In the future you probably will be able to pick a robotic body and look the way you want to look and feel the way you want to feel.
>>5916962
>neurological conditions are a fad because muh feels count for more than actual medicine and research!
>>5916390
>There's a reason why they're called sex traits. If you were the only person alive on the planet would you still want to take hormones? What would be the point?
Why do you masturbate? Why do you have an appendix for that matter? It’s all fine and dandy to acknowledge that certain things have discrete evolutionary purposes but there are also whole vast bulwark of interconnected processes spawned by the ungainly chaotic jumble of human evolution, and that include psychological needs such as the compulsion to identify as one sex or another regardless of whether one is intersex, or takes a vow of chastity, or alone on a desert island. It’s not perfectly rational, but then, this isn’t /r9k/.
>>5916285
Because they literally suffer from a chemical imbalance in the brain which causes a form of mental illness that makes people think they're the opposite gender of what they truly are. There's a medication that easily corrects this imbalance ("pimozidine" or some shit like that), I'm not sure why it isn't more popular.
