Not trying to be a asshole but is being gender fluid a fad?
I'm 18 and still in high school and the few GF people i have seen are SJW's and all they talk about is radical feminism stuff.
Yes, cis unless gender dysphoria.
>>5872677
As a rule of thumb, if a trans person in high school brings up their gender without it being relevant to an ongoing conversation (or to correct pronouns), they're a transtrender.
>>5872677
Trans took over the board, and don't like the idea of people being gender fluid/agender/non-binary, so you'll get a lot of "NO, ONLY CIS AND TRANS ARE REAL!!!" from them, but really, GF/A/NB are just as legit as trans, and by that, I mean they're all questionable.
>>5872696
OP here
i have met rans people who acted like normal people and didn't bring it up but fluid people will always bring it up.
I don't know what it is, but for a while now I've had weird periods where I have gender dysphoria coupled with minor depression. Don't know if this is related but what's that all about?
>>5872677
I'm going to say >>5872689 but in more words.
People who unironically post stuff like pic related are thinking of "gender" as in "gender role" as in, gender stereotypes. When they say they're genderfluid they're saying that they're masculine and/or feminine depending on the day. This is absolutely a new fad.
This doesn't have fuck all to do with actually medically transitioning, it's them grasping for labels to describe their personality. The trans people who want to medically transition usually do feel more comfortable with the gender role of the sex they're transitioning to, but that's not the main reason in general. The main reason is the disgust and hatred they feel for their body. It's a related but different issue.
>>5872677
That's weird cuz radical feminism usually prescribes the banishment of men, so you'd think they'd repress theiir male selves.
>>5872677
>a girl
>a crossdressing girl
>a girl with terrible fashion sense
>a girl with terrible fashion sense
>>5872677
Gender fluidity is a thing.
Being unable to spell "neither" on the other hand, is only excusable if English is not your first language.
So, please hide in shame.
genderfluid is a meme.
It's just a sneaky way to enforce gender stereotypes.
>>5872857
>People who unironically post stuff like pic related are thinking of "gender" as in "gender role" as in, gender stereotypes. When they say they're genderfluid they're saying that they're masculine and/or feminine depending on the day. This is absolutely a new fad.
Fucking nailed it.
>>5872677
That pic is ridiculous. It's impossible to not present as male or female. You can't look neither or both unless you completely cover up your body with something that hides it's appearance
>>5872677
>clothes = gender
wat
>>5872677
Maybe, I'm not a specialist on gender things.
I'm kind of like pic related, very masculine some days, very feminine other days, somwhere in-between most of the time. Sometimes I internally refer to myself as male, and it feels right, I do it unconsciously; sometimes as female, and the same thing happens. I also have slight dysphoria and hate the fact that my body isn't different when it comes to sexual characteristics, but that doesn't impair my life, I'm used to it.
Not sure, I kind of fit the label, but I go as my birth gender because I'm not really sure if genderfluid is a thing.
>>5873416
>very masculine some days, very feminine other days, somwhere in-between most of the time
I'd say this is what normal people feel though.
A cis person, such as myself, doesn't "feel" like anything. That is, unless they're something happens to make them feel one way or the other. When my girlfriend asks me to do something for her or I lift something heavy I feel masculine, when I bake and take the cake out of the oven using cute oven mitts I feel feminine. When I'm not doing anything that makes me feel one way or the other I don't feel like anything. This doesn't mean I'm not male when I feel feminine and it doesn't mean I'm nonbinary either. It just means I associate masculinity and femininity with certain emotional states and activities, like literally everybody.
Cis people don't get up in the morning and say BOY I SURE FEEL LIKE MY PREFERRED GENDER TODAY! They don't even think about it and without knowledge of actual trans people existing genderfluid people wouldn't either.
Do I think that genderfluid people are just making it up to hop in on a fad? No, not all of them. I'd even give it the benefit of the doubt and say not most of them. I will say that it probably stems from a culture of gender-obsession however. You have trans people posting about the fact that they don't feel like they're in the right body and what gender they identify as. Cis people -- Most often than not, younger ones that are trying to find themselves. You'll never seen a 40 year old genderfluid person but you'll see 40 year old trans people -- see this and then start thinking about it and thinking about it and over thinking it and wind up attributing the above association and the fact that they're not happy with their bodies -- because what person, let alone young person, is -- to dysphoria. The fact that they don't think MAN I SURE AM MY GENDER RIGHT NOW must obviously mean that they're not, right?
That's my theory anyway. Grain of salt, obviously.
>>5873201
SJWs are just enforcing "the patriarchy" or whatever fuck. "The Patriarchy" is considered to exist because we have supposedly been taught this from centuries of male oppression. They fight for gender equality, a social construct of Cultural Marxism, which is exactly what us Zionists want to spread. Our invasion of the western world will be decisive, comrades. Just wait for the crumbling pillars of the cis white male's western society to collapse, it shouldn't take long.
>>5873857
What do "zionists" have to gain by gender equality?
>>5872677
All i get from that picture is clothes make the gender?? But last time i checked clothing has no gender and it should all be gender neutral a lot of gender binary vids ive seen on youtube is literally a bunch of girls who aren't the epitome of feminine so they don't identify as female which i think is stupid so many of these vids they can never give a concrete answer on what gender fluid is or agender bascially i can say ohh i was born "male" but im super feminine and thats not a gender norm so clearly i dont feel like a man even though men don't have to be masculine
>>5872677
I think Genderfluidity CAN exist if they have dysphoria
though i do think it is just trans people in denial(which makes sense desu)
>>5872794
Because trans people don't want to be trans, they wanna be the opposite of their birth-gender.
Meanwhile "fluid snowflakes" just want attention, so of course they bring it up.
>>5872857
This
>>5872677
meme/10
>>5872677
>Not trying to be a asshole but is being gender fluid a fad?
Obviously.
It's all semantics. What would genderfluid mean? Some days I wake up and feel good about myself when wearing something feminine so I do it? If you look androgynous enough and changing clothes is all you need to do to get pronouns then you're probably trans. It's a spectrum. The majority of people avoid looking like the opposite gender as much as possible. If I don't feel like my skin or my body is nice another day its easier to live in different clothing. I'm not trying to trick you I'm just wearing something to match my mood.
>>5872677
Cis here, I don't treat it as an identity, nor do I equate it to either being or being like trans.
I do however like to blend both androgeny and elements of the opposite gender into how I dress and act. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
I say again, I don't think this is being or like being trans, it is part of my identity, but if I could never do this for the rest of my life it'd meagrely make me quite sad, as opposed to the consequences of deny an actual trans person their identity.
...if that makes sense. I'm new.
>>5872677
Pic related
I remember around 1999-2003... there were tons of geocities and angelfire sites, yahoo groups, forums, etc. for otherkin. Otherkin were people who believed they were physically human, but they had the spirit of a wolf, or an elf, or a transdimensional octopus or w/e. It was actually pretty popular at the time, but it was usually like teenagers and preteens who just wanted to be unique in some way.
Otherkin still exist, but it's not nearly as big as it used to be. I'm pretty sure genderfluid is just otherkin 2.0 -- a fad.
There are probably a lot of 'genderfluid' people who are actually trans and are just using genderfluidity as a cop-out to avoid admitting how they actually feel. You may argue, 'but isn't genderfluidity even weirder than just admitting you're on the other side of the binary?', and I do agree, but genderfluidity allows these people to deflect their actual gender dysphoria by pretending to be both, which is why I think it's easier for them than admitting they're trans.
There are definitely genderfluid people doing it for political reasons. 'Smash the binary!', etc. That movement is entirely focused on gender roles, however, not gender itself.
>>5878400
This seems like a good explanation.
>>5878182
>The majority of people avoid looking like the opposite gender as much as possible.
If I had a magic wand that made me look like a woman for 24h, I'd certainly have fun with that every once in a while, and so would literally anyone else given the opportunity. The reason I never wear dresses isn't because I'm afraid of looking like a woman, it's because I'm afraid of looking like a jackass. If I could look like a woman I would, not most of the time, but sometimes.
Regardless of whether or not you're a person who can pass for either male or female or if you're a person who's okay with looking like a jackass(transvestite) it's not about your gender it's just something you do for fun.
>>5878400
I can attest to this, I identified as gender fluid for a little while before accepting being fully trans, and I agree I'm not sure why, because gender fluid people are probably taken less seriously
>>5879536
I've becoming less surprised ever time I see a post by a gay /pol/
>>5879550
Cont.
I'll add that I do believe GF/A/NB people can/do exist
>>5872677
I used to think the same until I began to realize how much I identify with your typical male a lot more than your typical female. I've gone as far as to realize that I might as well consider myself male in my mind at this point.
As far as I'm aware though, I'm comfortable with my body (only wish I were taller and had more mass, but I don't think that counts), so i don't think this makes me transgender.
It kinda really sucks. Like, often times I'll feel like acting and just going about life as I normally would, but that seems "innapropriate" or forbidden for a girl. Not so much in terms of clothing, but general social norms.
No point in getting into detail about it, the point is gender fluidity may actually be a thing and it's been causing me identity problems lately.
>>5879637
i feel like a girl sometimes but i'm happy with being in a boy body. What do you do that is considered "innapropriate" for a girl to do?
>>5879657
>What do you do that is considered "innapropriate" for a girl to do?
simply put, things that guys do that girls often don't.
I feel a bit burdened everytime I'm met with an act of chivalry. I feel pressured to accept someone holding a door for me or letting me pass first on a bus, for example. I'd rather be on the other side.
Another thing would be comfortably addressing and interacting with guys (even if I had only just met them), like they do between one another, without being weirdly looked at, or getting them to think I'm hitting on them. It just seems innapropriate as a girl.
There's a clear difference in how I'm perceived and treated by guys, even more so if we end up sharing the same interests. Just treat me as you would another guy, I'm not special for being a girl.
But it goes way beyond that. It's even in the tiniest things that when you put it all together, it actually makes up something big that does make a difference. It's deeply rooted, it seems.
>>5879637
If your born a girl, you're either transgender or cis. There's no in between. It's just you wanting to feel special.
>>5872677
Yes.
It's all just people internalizing gender stereotypes so they think wearing a button-up and short hair makes them a boy and wanting to wear dresses and nail polish makes them a girl even though they're perfectly comfortable in their biological bodies.
>>5872677
Nice dubs.
It's ALL a fad. Trannies are just dudes who chopped off their dicks. They're still men.
And genderfluid is pure attention whoring from children who will forget all of it the moment they have to get a fucking job.
>>5879711
related:
growing up I almost never played with girl toys, especially as I got older. I always found it a lot more fun to pick up action men figures, doing sports, picking the male characters in games, playing with plastic bows and guns... etc
There was even a time when I used a lot of my brother hand-me-down clothing and one time, even with long hair, my mom pointed out I looked like a boy. It didn't even bother me one bit, I was actually happy about it.
Maybe it's not that I'm more of a male in my brain, I've just learned, growing up, to enjoy male-oriented activities more, which is why I find it so hard to identify with girls now, and feel I identify more with guys.
>>5879786
I've always been more into "guy" hobbies but it never made me feel that it made me any less female. Younger people being like this makes me wonder if things are getting worse and people are more ingrained in stereotypes now
>>5879954
do you enjoy the aspects of being female? (being or being perceived as the generally "frail", submissive one).
>>5872689
You don't need dysphoria to be trans, just a desire to change your gender. I'm not gonna start calling a post-HRT, post-SRS trans woman a man if I find out she didn't hate her body and social role before transition.
But 'genderfluid' is still bullshit.
>>5873118
>crossdressing girl
lol like that's even a thing. let's face it, there's no item of 'male' clothing that a girl can wear that's remotely the same as a man wearing female clothing.
>>5880001
No. I don't want to be perceived as a dominant or submissive person. I just want a be perceived as a person.
Most people have aspects of both anyway. I'm not one of those anti-labels hipsters, but in this case, these boxes seem counterproductive.
>>5880088
That's only because of women's lib. Men still haven't bothered to create a movement to liberate themselves from masculine stereotypes.
>>5880102
>Men still haven't bothered to create a movement to liberate themselves from masculine stereotypes.
That's because they'd get laughed at for it, because any perceived femininity is verboten and seen as weakness. Really this is sexist against men AND women.
>>5880120
It's also just that men look fucking stupid in dresses.
>>5880102
It's because they can't because any time men try to create any sort of political movement for themselves it instantly gets gets targeted by feminist groups.
Literally any issue in terms of men's right that isn't brought up through the context of feminism is dismissed immediately in mostly any rights circle. In fact you're called a bigot for not letting feminism decide which of your rights are important to you.
Men's shelter for victims of domestic abuse? Funding removed because of feminist pressure groups.
Because obviously they should go through feminism. Because it's totally about equality guys. That's why feminists are trying really hard to stop male circumcision right? You hear about that ALL the time. Feminism is too gynocentric to get anything done in terms of equality nowadays. Even discussions of the higher male suicide rate have to be met with somehow portraying women as the victims. It's pretty disgusting, frankly.
Not even an MRA. MRAs are literally male feminism with a lot of the same problems and some special ones of their own.
>>5880146
Women look fucking stupid in trousers, to be honest. But a man wearing a dress doesn't get shit for poor fashion choices, he gets shit for being 'girly'.
>>5880164
>Women look fucking stupid in trousers
No they don't.
>But a man wearing a dress doesn't get shit for poor fashion choices, he gets shit for being 'girly'.
He gets shit for being girly because dresses on men never caught on on account of it looking fucking stupid.
>>5880146
Men look pretty fucking great in dresses. Wide shouldered men look especially good in A-line dresses.
You ever worn a dress? They're fucking comfy. They feel like, supportive while at the same time giving you breathing room, so to speak.
>>5880170
Case in point, she looks like a fucking loon. Did anyone call her a transvestite, though? Nope.
>>5880190
oh man this one picture of a woman wearing an ugly and ill-fitting suit totally invalidates the literal hundreds of millions of women who wear pants naturally without anyone thinking twice about it
>>5880200
Tell me why this man looks stupid without resorting to gender stereotypes.
So im a guy if i put on a dress that makes me gender fluid??
>>5880148
>implying that the reason men can't get rid of masculine stereotypes isn't because of other men being uncomfortable with non-masc men.
>>5880210
Bad posture doesn't go well with dresses.
>>5880221
>Implying that's the only reason
>Implying that those people participate in leftie movement discussions
>Implying feminism doesn't dominate these discussions, even when it's about race
Internationality is cancer
Also
>Implying the sort of person to break down gender stereotypes gives two fucks what some random uncomfortable dude thinks
>>5880246
>Implying that lefty internet debates actually change anything or mean anything to the 94% of [western country] that pays no attention to them
>>5880500
>Im-fucking-plying
Yeah. Nevermind all the progress made in favour of LGB and T right. Never mind all the things the feminist movement is responsible for in media and college campuses and even the workplace. Continue spouting memes.
>>5880500
And then when they do decide to break down gender stereotypes, it just makes everything worse.
>>5880148
>feminism is gynocentric
No shit, Sherlock? Once upon a time, feminism meant advancement for women's rights, not this "le feminism believes in equalities" meme. Go become an egalitarian or something if it bothers you.
>>5880570
>my shows aren't 99% straight guys and one token minority anymore! damn feminists are taking over!
it's ok, in five minutes you'll be throwing a fit about how teens whining on the internet aren't accomplishing anything :^)
>>5880081
Why would you want to change your gender if you aren't uncomfortable with the one you're currently?
>>5872677
it's completely meaningless
it's a bunch of young people who haven't grown out of the "who am I?" phase who want an easy and invisible way to identify as "unique" without putting any effort into it. this is because they've been told constantly since childhood that they are special, convincing them that there is some inherent value in being different
>>5880210
because he is walking like a cave man
>>5883688
In what way did I imply that I was a feminist in any shape? I was complaining that egalitarianism couldn't be pursued in leftie circles because any discussion of how males are fucked over that isn't dripping with feminist phrasing is instantly dismissed as sexism. Complains about men's rights are typically met with "our bogeyman is totally the one doing it to you! Do feminist things! We're all about equality!"
>>5883707
>thinking that's what I was talking about
Quick to jump to conclusions there buster. Got something you wanna vent about? :^)
The part that's most ridiculous is that you can recognise the lazy art style of an SJW.
If there's such a thing as bigender why can't some of them draw well?
The fad is completely visual and indulgent, silly drawings, blue hair, that is the substance of the fad rather than any actual meaning or emotional/psychological investment.
There is no such thing as being trans.
>>5884565
And no amount of what you do on the outside will change who you are on the inside.
>>5873293
if you have the right kind of body it's very possible, there's a lot of clothes considered unisex now and sweaters are among them
>>5884565
lmao
>>5879637
>>5879786
>>5879954
I've only met (well, met on-line) one person that said they were gender fluid, but they didn't liken it to being trans very much and they said they were happy with their gender and sex, they mostly just didn't prescribe to the conventional ideas of gender. (They weren't SJW-ish BTW.) I see these pictures defining it but maybe definitions are part of the problem?
I agree with what some people said or alluded to though that it wouldn't be a problem (or at the very least would be a very different and much smaller problem or set of problems) if society was more logically homogenized.
>>5880210
it doesn't go with his skin tone
really though, it's not gender stereotypes so much as stereotypes in general-- he wouldn't look stupid if he was wearing a kimono (IDK if he's Japanese but if not he could fool most people), or if he was Scottish and wearing a kilt, because we accept those as established things
>>5872677
Do these people actually call it radical feminism?
Like, is that what they're about?
Because that's some secondwave stuff.
>>5872677
note how almost all of the "genderqueers" and genderfluids are dfab women. Its always some fucking dfab women special snowflake
>>5873293
its easy for boyish girls. As a guy its pretty fucking impossible unless you're intersex
>>5872677
Gender identity is labels, just labels, but be free to identify yourself who you are by gender.
Remember, don't bully the transgender people.
or you're a mean, evil, transphobic, bigot.
>>5872677
I identify mostly as a straight (only) male, but I felt I'm more than male, somewhat has female soul inside a male body, and I would like to explore my feminine nature, esp. if I had a GF or wife who is tolerant, accepting of me and understand the concept of gender identity.
>>5872677
>that image
So basically, genderfluidity is all about the clothing you wear.
Cool.
>>5872677
yea, gender fluid is bullshit
i had a few friends that were "genderfluid" but they realized it was just a way they created to cope with the problems/dysphoria/social situations (words from 2 of them)
>all they talk about is radical feminism
in a bad way, right? radical feminism sees gender as an opression system and wants to erase it.
that totally differs from this GF delirium based on stereotypes and apparently on ~what do i want to wear today~
>>5872857
>It's them grasping for labels to describe their personality.
This this this this this this this this this this this this this this this.
This
>>5873310
kids are really dumb, basically
>>5879829
well she's probably chubby or plain-faced, which would tend to limit that
>>5885657
>straight - attracted to men
>gay - attracted to men
Don't they know that there are terms for this? You would think someone making the chart for genders would have done a little research
