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Welp.
Also, sorry for the lack of addition and fucking of the back link. I was in a hurry when I saw we were about to fall off.
Tattoos
>Do you have any?
>What tattoos do you intend to get and where?
>Opinions regarding trans related tattoos
Also post a link to your instagram/last.fm or a picture of something you have taken
Was just in the middle of posting this in the previous thread when it died, so.
I'm a cis guy but my boyfriend is trans (I used boyfriend kinda loosely because we met online and we've still yet to meet, but we're both really into the thought of it happening). My worry is that he's really scared to talk to me on skype or any voice chat because he's pre-T but he'll be going on it soon. I have literally NO issue waiting for him, no amount of time.
My only question is what is about the average time for a guy's voice to start dropping? I don't mind the way we're interacting right now, but I do fear it'll get stale for one of us eventually and it scares me. I really like him and want to make this work long-term.
And yeah, yeah, I know online relationships are dumb, gay whatever. I don't fucking care. I just really like him.
>>5843333
>doesn't want to talk
Sounds catfishy desu
>>5843328
>demifiend
Amazing
>>5843346
No, he's pre-T and incredibly dysphoric of his voice. How is that fishy? I've seen him and heard him, but he's just really uncomfortable straight up talking. I don't really know a lot about dysphoria, but he's come to me crying or having a panic attack enough times that I can understand where he's coming from.
>>5843333
My voice began to lower within the first two months. By 5-6 months it had changed considerably, and it continued to drop until probably ~12 months.
>>5843324
>Do you have any?
Not yet, but as soon as I get the money I'm going to get one.
>What tattoos do you intend to get and where?
I want a lot of tattoos. I want one of Behemoth from The Master and Margarita. I want one of a sentimental object from my childhood. I want an illustration of a proverb I like involving foxes. I want one of a lighthouse with the light cutting through clouds to represent my transition/coming out. I would like a landscape tattoo, possibly one of a desert with cactuses. Haven't decided where I want to put them, all I know is that I need to keep my forearms and thighs clear for phallo.
>Opinions regarding trans related tattoos
I have no opinions on them. I wouldn't get an obviously trans-related tattoo for lots of reasons (I'm just not that type of person, also I don't really identify as trans anymore, I think of myself as just a guy with a trans past) but if you want one then whatever floats your boat man.
Not my insta but some of my favorite tattooists:
@lucafont
@louisbrengard
@sweetsuetattoo
Reinstalling Dragonage Inquisition. Lets see if I can finish it this time.
>>5843324
>Do you have any?
Shitty stick and pokes of crosses, circles, lines.
>What tattoos do you intend to get and where?
I want a snake tattoo on the upper half of my body, possibly interacting with my arm/back. I want a power button. Eye of providence on my left shoulder, maybe a scientific illustration of something like a cicada, a fern leaf, dna, or something molecular. A simple rhombicuboctahedron, maybe an M.C. Escher inspired piece. I would be open to original artwork by tattoo artists as well.
>Opinions regarding trans related tattoos
I might get a small testosterone molecule somewhere.
http://tattrx.com/
How do you find people to hook up with? Grindr guys aren't cool with lack of peen, Craigslist is shady...
>>5843324
i have 16 tattoos... i plan on getting more eventually, but i rarely stick to plans for that kinda thing... i wouldn't get a transrelated tattoo, but i don't see anything wrong with someone else doing it...
pic is one of the lakes i was by yesterday (i was chilling with my s/o's friend and s/o and we ended up going to some basketball court that was surrounded by all these lakes... met some people and we smoked by a different lake that i don't have a pic of)
>>5844407
+ gypsy chilling on my arm in the sun (not at the lake, this was earlier...i don't take her places where i know smoking is gonna happen)
2 tattoos in the pic though:
my smiley face that i got during the antibiotic induced lyme herx cuz i thought seeing that all the time would cheer me up (it's the nirvana one for added nostalgia purposes, if i could have gotten a tattoo at like 12 it would've been that cuz they were my favourite band then... i thought nostalgia would add to the cheering up factor) + my crow which my s/o also has (not in the same spot) cuz our anniversary is halloween and we couldn't go anywhere cuz it was really shitty out that day and we decided to mimic the whole simple cheap halloween tattoos deal (like the place he worked at just before that anniversary would do $31 tattoos for halloween, the way it's 13s for $13 in some places on friday the 13th) some studios do except at home... so we went with crows to keep it halloween/our anniversary themed and he tattooed my wrist then his leg...
>>5844439
+ i suppose the smiley face is pretty obscured by gypsy in that pic ... oh well... i imagine anyone who's been here a while has seen it when i hold shit anyway... have an extra unrelated budgie pic (i was bored and took a lot of pics yesterday... we need to paint so ignore the wall, they're chilling in the window)
>>5844031
never tried the stick and poke method... though before my s/o was apprenticed and started actually tattooing he did one on me with a razorblade and ink... i had one tattoo at the time (that was actually done at a studio, my first tattoo is the only tattoo i've ever paid for)
we were drinking with his sister, and we all decided we needed matching tattoos to celebrate (i think we might've just been celebrating friday or some shit desu) and they had to be done at home... so we picked up india ink and went back to the house where we ended up pulling a star sticker off her wall and were just like "this looks simple lets go with this" it actually turned out surprisingly ok, and last time i looked at it (it's on my shoulderblade so i don't really notice it) it held up pretty well in spite of being like 8 years old or so...
charles darwin has some good scientific illustrations in his books
>>5843333
I know a man who started T at 53 and his voice dropped considerably after 3 months. It really all comes down to the individual and their genetics. I wouldn't worry too much. You guys will make it work if you really want it to.
>>5843324
Yes, seven (both ankles, side of calf, side of rib cage, upper spine, both forearms) so far, and I'm getting two more today (shoulders/deltoids, they finish a "set" together with the ones on my forearms). I honestly love tattoos and am fine with the fact that a lot of people hate them. It sounds a bit stupid when I actually say it, but I've told my "life story" thus far through the ink I've put on my body, and each tattoo represents something really important and personal to me. I'm too self-conscious/paranoid to say what each one is of because they're all pretty identifying, but they're all blackwork and symbols/lines. I decided to stick with no colors, no words, nothing "realistic." I was just thinking about how I want to be cremated and that it's a shame that I'll have put so much money and time and effort and pain into my skin only for it to get burned when I die. I'd like to be skinned and turned into a book or something.
I wouldn't personally get an explicitly trans-related tattoo, just because I don't want to be visibly trans. Two of my tattoos, and one of the ones I'm getting today, are related in my mind to me being trans and my transition, though, but they aren't things that other people would look at and associate with that meaning.
>>5844841
ever see those preserved skins of russian prison tattoos? russian prison tattoos are cool as shit anyway...
>>5844860
Yeah, it's gross but fascinating, and now I'm wondering about the legality of what you can and can't authorize someone to do with your body after you're dead. I'm going to have to look into this and find a suitable heir.
Once again, I'm so hungry and nothing I eat seems to make me un-hungry. All that separates me from a mall food court is a handful of blocks and a rapidly shrinking amount of willpower, which is bad. I started thinking about how I haven't had Cinnabon in like 15 years and I could just go over there and buy a dozen cinnamon rolls and no one would stop me. Help.
>>5845025
i'm honestly not sure, i really can't grasp why anyone would care what you want done with your skin after, but people are touchy about weird shit when it comes to corpses... i'm pretty sure with the russian prisoner skins they're treated in a similar manner as leather to preserve them, can't remember entirely though...
if nothing is making you feel full, that many cinnamon buns won't make you feel much better... you'll probably still feel hungry, and it'll probably make you feel sick too... and that kinda thing always tastes better homemade anyway + you can use better ingredients than what a place in the mall is using and baking is a decent enough way to pass time ( btw a little almond + vanilla extract, about 1/2 tsp each in the dough + using coconut oil for the filling is great for cinnamon buns, they get devoured by people whenever i make them like that)
>>5845049
Oh god, I don't even have any baking ingredients (>tfw ex keeps all the spices and shit when you break up and move out), but that sounds so good. I do already feel sick as well as hungry, though. Maybe I have a parasite. That would be an experience.
>>5845146
parasites look like they suck to have, but i like all those fucked up youtube videos with parasites and whatnot in them...
if you ever feel like getting some baking stuff, definitely try that... whenever i make them i make a couple batches, and nearly all of them are gone by the end of the day... but regardless you probably shouldn't go out and get them, it won't help... eat something with a bunch of protein and fiber and work out instead, it'll keep your mind off food, be more filling, and be productive + it might help you feel better
Sitting in the doctors office waiting for them to come in. Second HRT consultation. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be able to say that. Life is getting better, boys. The sun is shining.
I wish I had a dick.
>>5845696
You're in the right thread, m8
>>5845696
Straight guy here.
You can use mine
It's kinda bulky and tempremental but I've had few instances where it couldn't get the job done
>>5845504
Congrats!
>>5845504
that's cool... glad shit's working out for you, when do you start?
just heading home now, went to jersey with my older bro, and s/o cuz my bro needed to do some shit with his daughter's birth certificate so we hitched a ride with him to look in some stores... brought gypsy, she was enjoying herself 'til she noticed a bunch of seagulls in a parking lot when we were getting to the car... apparently she's scared of seagulls
Well shit, I thought that was going to be my last period. Two weeks in between periods now is cool. You can stop any time now, really. The cramps and nausea make me want to die.
Has anyone here actually had a hysterectomy? I want one, but then I watched a video of a laparoscopic hysterectomy. I never thought before about what would happen to the shit they were removing if it was done laparoscopically. They pulled some out through the tiny incision, but they pulled other bits out through the vagina, and it was pretty disgusting. I'm really not looking forward to that.
>>5845025
Cinnabon is always so disappointing. it smells amazing and you think it's gonna be so good but then you actually eat it and it's just a vague cloying sweetness blob that makes you feel ill.
that's always my experience with Cinnabon anyway.
>>5847104
... you'll be asleep for surgery, anon. it's not like you have to watch them pulling your organs out of your body.
>>5845742
Thank you!!!
>>5845805
She walked out of the room to grab some supplies, and came back with the Rx!! 5mg of 200mg/ml in sesame oil (if I recall correctly). I nearly died. The only pharmacy in my area that carries it gets the shipment of it in tomorrow! I literally start tomorrow!!!
It's so crazy senpai. I see everyone else getting their Rx, and see them celebrating T day... and now I can too!
My phone corrected senpai to senpai.
Oh gosh why is that the filter. Who did this.
>be me, 2.5 years on T
>no shark week since 2013
>still want hysto really bad because dysphoria
>talk to surgeon about it
>she says it will be hard for me to get insurance coverage
>no $ for surgery
>1 month later
>wake up this morning cramping and bleeding for no reason
>crawling_in_my_skin.mp3
just fucking kill me.
>>5847442
have you been away for months?
>>5847507
That I have. I get angry during the summers and avoid this place like the plague.
>>5843324
Don't have any, I want a couple but I'm gonna wait a year or so in case I don't like the idea anymore. I was thinking of getting a claymore on my forearm, which might be kind of edgy but it'd cover up a dumb self harm scar and I could justify it by saying fantasy was a big part of my childhood etc. I also kind of want some kind of insect on the inside of my bicep, maybe a cockroach like in the metamorphosis if it didn't look plain and ugly. Wouldn't get a trans tattoo, but I think the symbol can look pretty cool even with the meaning removed. I can see why someone would get one.
>>5843286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gALcmVqD6cY
>Then enter Alex, 33 years old
>and so sick with the cancer
>And trapped inside a body
>that betrayed his real gender
>We all hoped and prayed
>that he would go into remission
>At least long enough, just long enough
>to complete his transition
>>5843324
Have none, want them. Some are comic related, which I always thought would be my first tattoos, but actually I wanna start with a grackle holding flowers now. Problem is both having the money to do so, and finding someone who can do color well enough to pull off iridescent wings. Pretty sure once I start getting ink I'm unlikely to stop. Pic related, crappy photo I took of a tree full of grackles.
I don't have any trans related tattoo plans, excepting trying to figure out a chest piece to cover eventual scarring. I get why people would want them, though. I'd just rather not have something announcing I'm trans.
Some of my IG tattoo artist favorites:
@natalietattoos
@lewisink
@grindesign
@samrulz
>>5847501
are you sure it's mensturation? sounds like a nightmare either way desu, sorry bro
>>5848296
huh, never heard of these, but good choice. they look like ravens that rolled in an oil spill
>>5848322
They're goofy little fuckers too. They make this crackling scream/call that 90% of humans find annoying, and their claws are so big that they have the ungainliest hop. They tend to big groups like starlings do, although not quite to that size, so they're mostly considered a nuisance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ZMcFxoa8g
I fucking love grackles.
>>5848296
>>5848012
i thought samsa was some kinda beetle... i haven't read that shit in years i could be wrong, but yeah...
>>5848296
i like grackles... they're cute as hell, there's a ton of them by a mcdonalds over here that i watch every time i'm with someone who wants to eat there (cuz i don't eat there... i imagine i probably can't, but idk for sure cuz i won't and wouldn't before i even got sick) they're so used to people feeding them they'll walk right up to someone to take food... they're like semi-tame, but the ones outside of that specific area aren't like that
>>5849501
not sure how i managed to fuck that up but - one 5848296
my bad...
>>5848322
It's definitely 100% menstrual blood. I woke up feeling less crampy this morning though so maybe it's done?? Hoping and praying.
Also grackles are the bomb, I find it pretty amusing when they descend on someone's yard in this big black cackling mass.
>>5843333
I actually got really scared that you were my boyfriend for a minute there. I talk to mine on Skype but when we are around our groups of friends/hobby stuff I almost refuse to Skype because someone will say "OHH you're a girl huh??" And this might sound tumblr but it really does trigger me and make me feel bad. I'm a really shy person irl and get frustrated. He doesn't really correct them and neither do I..sometimes I do afterwards. I always feel like a huge bother and inconvenience. Part of me would be really happy if he would help me correct/be proud he's with me vocally. A few times I've gotten harassed/aggressive hate and he has. I can't really hold him to that when I don't correct people myself. When I start identifying outside friends..at work and stuff I'm going to be totally screwed.
>>5850187
Well, no. In our circle of friends no one knows he's trans but me and I can't see him as anything other than male. I guess it helped that I knew him for a while thinking he was a cis male before he told me otherwise. We don't talk to anyone on any voice chats so no one has heard his voice for obvious reasons.
That sounds really shitty though. Does your boyfriend refer to you as male and whatnot at least? I couldn't imagine putting my bf through that shit, especially after all the things he talked to me about over being trans. Shit breaks my heart. I'm sorry that happens to you.
>>5850187
>I almost refuse to Skype because someone will say "OHH you're a girl huh??"
This ):
20-35 years old?
Tell The Guardian how you define gender??!!
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/03/male-female-other-young-people-define-gender
>>5850187
>mom got me a good quality headset with mic for my birthday
>you can use this to talk to your friends online anon!
>s-sure mom
>still haven't used it, not even sure if the mic works because it's not detected by vocaroo
>this one hypermasculine shrimp in the support group
>purposefully offensive
>glib swagger
>calls his gf "his bitch"
>his bitch would kill him if she caught him checking out other chicks
>and so on
Why be like this?
Will he get >chill once on T?
>>5851048
He's just insecure about himself. Chances are T will help, chances are it won't.
So I've got a mental health assessment in a couple weeks. Hoping they'll either confirm gender dysphoria and refer me to a GID or otherwise tell me what the hell is actually wrong with me. I'd like an actual diagnosis of something.
how can i shave like 2 inches of bone off of each side of my pelvis at the widest point
please make this possible
can i use a saw
>>5852053
No just use a kitchen knife
>>5852053
Grow shoulders and obliques faggot
>>5852618
ok will try tomorrow
>>5852626
i'm working on that, but the problem is pic related. guess it's actually the tops of my femurs, not my pelvis. looks feminine as fuck.
>>5853224
Weird. My lliac crest is 2+ inches wider than my femur spurts.
>>5853306
yeah i have this weird kind of kite shaped lower body, it's awful but whatever, guess it could always be worse
I wanna kill myself because I have no dick and I'm never gonna have a boy/girlfriend
>>5844170
Try Growlr instead? They're more attracted to masculinity there. I see a few transmen on there, just be honest about the lack of wang and I think you'll be good to go.
>>5853545
I mean, I found someone who quite literally couldn't give a single fuck that I'm trans or about any of that stuff. There are people out there.
Is it a weird fear to be terrified that your partner won't find your voice attractive on T? It's a change I'm dying for due to crippling voice dysphoria, but I definitely can't deny that the fear of losing them from lack of attraction is there.
Why can't life just be simple.
>>5854247
Have you spoken to your partner about it? It'll probably help to hear their side of it.
>>5854278
Nah I haven't but I suppose it would probably be a good idea. I know the fear of losing attraction is pretty common amongst trans people and their partners though. Shit is fucking nerve racking, which is awful because transitioning is already stressful enough on its own.
>>5854305
It's not easy, but communication is vital when you're going through stuff like this. Rough times can make or break a relationship, and I think speaking about your fears will help your partner feel like their part of the process. The worst thing you can do is lock it up and distance yourself.
Got my first binder today. I've already got wide shoulder and a tight core. The little bastard turned my bitch tits into pec gains.
>Mfw
>>5854463
You gonna make gains
I really fucking hope I dry up at least a little bit on hormones. I'm like a fucking waterfall when I get horny and it's so disgusting for me.
Reminder to do excersise swimming, it gives you hella man shoulders
>>5854703
>swimming
>trans people
Anon, please.
I haven't been to a swimming hall by my own volition since I was 12.
I want to. I love swimming. But to do it I have to pass though all nine circles of dysphoria.
>>5854901
This.
The last time I went swimming was when I lived with my parents and they had a pool. I was in a t-shirt and shorts (because I had no swimsuit and no amount of convincing from my mom got me to get one) and even still made sure no one was home because wet clothes on body.
Jesus christ. Looking back on things, there was a lot of shit I did due to dysphoria that I didn't even realize. I mean fuck, I was like 90 pounds and anorexic over my hips and thighs when I was younger. Even now people tell me I'm skinny and all I can see are fat thighs, tits, ass and hips that don't belong there.
>mfw I ever doubted I was a tranny
>>5854901
>I want to. I love swimming. But to do it I have to pass though all nine circles of dysphoria.
Same. I miss being able to swim
I'm fucking livid
My best friend is FtM. To keep it short, he was raped yesterday.
Not only did the police find the man who did it, they didn't even bother to arrest him
Despite my friend being fucking raped. Despite clear evidence of rape and his testimony, they let the fucking scourge of the earth go.
I want to fucking scream, what the absolute fuck is wrong with this place
>>5855019
Wait wat. Slow down, man. What exactly happened?
>>5855019
Fuck the rapist and fuck the police. I'm sorry that happened to your friend. You should look for outside help. There may be an organization that can assist with legal options.
>>5855024
It will take explaining.
My best friend is FtM, 17, and about a year and a half into his transition.
He also has Bipolar type I.
When he's having a manic episode, he tends to be very overconfident. It appears to me that he thinks no harm can come to him. He also takes lots of risks and does incredibly stupid impulsive stuff and becomes overly trustworthy of people, to the extent that to him, even the dregs of society are good people and all they need is a friend. This is very important, as you'll soon see.
I don't think he realizes this himself, I think it's subconscious.
I don't know the full details of the incident because I refuse to ask him for details. I will not make him relive it again.
Recently he's been in a very deep manic state.
Yesterday, somehow, he met a drug dealer or something and agreed to hold onto some kind of drug package with him. Later on, he posted on his blog that the dude was trying to convince him to suck his dick. My friend refused.
7 hours later, I get a text that he was in the hospital, having been raped by the fucking monster. Apparently the dude called him a hermaphrodite.
He pulled out before ejaculating.
He had a rape kit done, and the police found the guy. Again, they let him go. Didn't even take him in for questioning.
My friend is now very very suicidal, I have no idea what to do, and I have no faith left in the Justice system
I'm sorry if I sound incoherent but jesus fucking christ why would someone do something like this
>>5855060
Really all you can do is be there for him, man. Seriously. The world is a very cruel, shitty and unforgiving place. It's never going to change. Just do what you can and continue being a good friend like you are. Be a shoulder to cry on, get him what he needs, give him a fucking hug if he wants it.
Just do what you can. That's all anyone can really do in that situation. It's awful what happened, holy fuck, but for now just be there for him. That's all I can say.
>>5855060
>When he's having a manic episode, he tends to be very overconfident. It appears to me that he thinks no harm can come to him.
I need to elaborate on this.
He isn't cocky and he isn't a dick when he's manic.
It's more like the thought that something terrible could happen to him if he does something, even something monumentally dangerous or stupid, just never occurs to him. As if it's some foreign concept that doesn't apply.
This then leads into the other points that I mentioned.
>>5855076
the hardest part is that I live nowhere near him so all I can do is call him and text him.
God, I want to cry, but I need to be strong to help him
>>5855097
Keep him on the phone if he's alone. Let him talk to someone. It's not good for him to be stuck with that shit alone. You're a good friend, m8.
>>5854696
I've dried out somewhat, but hoenstly not as much as I'd hoped. I had sex for the first time in a while the other day, and when I went to clean up it was so gross.
That said, I'm about 9 months on T, so it's possible things could change.
>>5843324
>Actually liking pic related.
>>5854703
>>5854901
>>5854926
>>5855014
Yeah, I haven't been in a swimsuit since before my body "developed" after puberty. The few times I went swimming after that, I wore a t-shirt and board shorts and was still so horribly self-conscious that I wanted to die. I haven't gone swimming in over a decade. I love swimming. I practically lived in pools as a kid. Fuck, I miss the feeling of gliding through water that's at the perfect temperature.
I guess one of my goals in life should probably be to make enough money to have my own private pool. That would be so nice. I really doubt I'll ever be comfortable enough with my body to be able to wear a swimsuit around other people, but the idea of never swimming again is really sad.
>>5854703
More like it's a sport that naturally lends itself to those with hella shoulders. My sister made serious records in high school cause we both inherited our granny's linebacker shoulders.
>tfw shoulders already broader than hips despite being stupidly hippy
THANK YOU FOR THIS AT LEAST, GENETICS.
What do you boys like drinking?
Any of yall got that Imgur album of before and after FTMs? For the life of me, I cannot find that little bastard.
Godammit I was all excited to get my labs checked and be approved for a higher dose cause I was sure it'd mean more changes faster-
-and it's already too high of a dosage and is converting excess into estrogen. I've got to take less.
>sadtrombone.wav
>>5856324
A lot.
...okay, bourbon and also red wine.
>>5855328
I wish I could have sex.
What's it like
>>5856699
It's pretty neat
>>5856324
Lots of beer. Too much beer
>>5856324
Vodka, and a few other hard liquors. Can't stand beer or wine.
Messaging back and forth with this dude and just
Why are chasers so gross looking holy shit
>>5856442
Interested in this, too
>>5857826
i can't understand how someone can stomach vodka over beer or wine... i don't drink beer (can't anymore makes me sick as fuck), and i'll drink vodka if all other options are gone, but that shit tastes like rubbing alcohol...
>>5858379
I like the taste of vodka. It's the only liquor I can stomach doing shots of. Whiskey is the one that tastes like rubbing alcohol to me.
I usually just drink beer. I can't drink wine because my jaw is fucked up and wine aggravates the condition. Actually all alcohol aggravates it but wine is the worst. Everything else I need to have a few drinks before it starts to bother me, wine is painful from the first few sips.
>>5858067
lol post screens
>>5858894
i'll drink vodka straight, but i hate it... no problem with whiskey though, it used to be my preferred drink but now they both kill my stomach
for whatever reason jager has never made me sick (i hate it but i can drink it straight) and wine usually doesn't but that's about it for me with alcohol... champagne is about the same as wine for me...
what's wrong with your jaw?
I'm lame and have a really fucked-up GI tract (the only cool thing is that I do have a magnetic titanium implant, but I was really disappointed that it wasn't a strong enough magnet to let me stick fridge magnets to my chest). Alcohol just makes me feel awful and want to die. I've never had the experience of being enjoyably buzzed or drunk in my life, and I get a bit jealous when I see everyone else in a crowd drinking and having fun. I stick to marijuana, but my tolerance is so fucking high, I really need to stop for a while.
This picture of the implant makes me feel like the person who's hand that is is about to stick their finger up someone's pooper.
>>5858926
Yeah I think Jager is disgusting. Cognac also disgusting. Tequila is okay in mixed drinks, I can't do shots of it though, it's too gross straight. And I love rum but who doesn't love rum.
I have temporomandibular joint dysfunction/TMJ. Basically the joint in my jaw is... fucked up, is the only way to describe it really. It clicks and pops when I open my jaw, it gets tired quickly (I can't eat anything chewy or crunchy without my jaw hurting after the first few bites), and drinking alcohol especially after eating causes really bad sharp pain in the joint. My brother has it too. It's not as bad as it might sound but it puts a damper on drinking for sure.
>>5858976
Drinking isn't that great honestly. I do it socially but I usually stop after one or two drinks. I dislike the feeling of being buzzed, and being drunk is miserable. I don't really understand why people voluntarily get wasted, honestly. It's not fun.
>>5859025
Yeah, my ex was a (borderline?) alcoholic, and after seeing and having to clean up the aftermath of what happens with one drink too many...I think I'll at least pass on the puking, thanks. But when we'd go to events where I was the only one not drinking, and everyone else was drunk and having fun, I felt pretty awkward. I'd say I was the designated driver and people would still try to get me to drink, too.
I chewed a pack or more of gum a day for years (absolutely disgusting), and I thought I had TMJ, lol. I finally broke the habit and have been gum-free for a few years, and, amazingly, now my jaw is fine. Phew.
>>5858916
Eh, I won't because a lot of you would probably be cool with or even into him. He's just...not my type at all and I find the beard gross af. I guess he's too on the masc side for my taste or something lmao
Idk how to turn him down gracefully. I replied to his chasertastic ad and told stats, he asked for pics and sent his first and asked for my pic now. and I was like. Shit.
Not interested at all and don't want to reply. It'd be rude tho to just ghost him after his pic and probably make him feel ugly and shit.
But I don't want to send my pic or the equivalent of "idontlikeurfacefuckinbye.gif" or just ignore it (hate when ppl just never reply) so...??
Also lol wow.....I tried to post that reply on my phone at the library and the IP was banned. Reason: someone there uploaded cp/sexualized images of "child models"/whatever.
I know this is 4chan lmao god, but...I didn't need to know this, that someone did this, at this library. Gross.
>>5859089
Doesn't mean it was a kid they posted. Someone got banned on /hm/ for posting a pic of me because people thought I was underage. I'm 25.
>>5858976
weed is better than alcohol, i shouldn't drink at all really but i do sometimes anyway... about half the time i regret it cuz lyme and my stomach but eh... you're not missing out
tolerance breaks suck without alcohol or pills though
>>5859025
jager is disgusting, but it's the only alcohol that doesn't make me sick ever and i can take shots of it so eh... i don't like tequilla at all, it's got such a weird taste i'll drink it straight if it's around, but that's just cuz i hate mixed drinks... i can always taste the alcohol way too strong in them, and it generally just tastes gross except unlike a shot a mixed drink takes longer to get down so it's hard to get wasted off them
i like being drunk though, like as shitfaced as possible before i get sick... getting sick drunk is the fucking worst though... like when i used to smoke dusted weed sometimes i'd end up puking after too much (pcp can make you puke) but it wasn't unpleasant really... just like you feel a little nauseous, puke, and then you feel all better and the high is good again... which is different than the seemingly endless puking feel like shit the next day kinda thing you get with alcohol... same with kratom, i puked from that once but i was good high other than that and didn't mind it too much and afterward you just need to lay down close your eyes and chill for a bit 'til you're alright but it feels like an opiate so you just kinda feel like christmas in spite of it...
that sounds like it sucks... i get bad jaw pain (and ear pain + popping and like neck stiffness etc) from drinking sometimes with the lyme, and that shit can be excruciating (like on a scale of 1-10 the pain is like a 15) so i was wondering if whatever was wrong with you felt similar... sounds like it's different but pretty shitty all the same for you
>>5859100
Lmfao yup, that ftm kid/teen-face syndrome. Just another reason why I need T yesterday.
>>5859076
if you find him gross why do you care? just say you aren't interested, or ignore him... personally i think just straight up saying you aren't interested is better than not saying anything but eh... if you really care about him thinking it's cuz you find him physically attractive then say it isn't that and you just don't like him... turning people down is pretty damn easy
I know there are tons of memes and whatnot about hons but i-is there any way to tell if you'll look decent once you transition beforehand?
>>5859048
i quit drinking for almost a year around when i first got lyme, and yeah not drinking while other people do sucks but i always just dealt with it by smoking weed instead... like outside of the bar or whatever...
>>5859136
>pretty damn easy
For you, maybe not for everyone. I can be fuckin awkward about that stuff
>>5859162
but if you're not interested and don't want to talk then it doesn't matter if you're awkward... i mean really, if you don't want someone then why give a shit what they think? even if you say the dumbest, most awkward thing ever it doesn't matter cuz you're not gonna have to deal with the guy after...
idk i've turned down plenty of people, it's not something i particularly enjoy but i just kinda figure it doesn't really matter and it's worse to continue talking once i've realized that i'm not interested... it just gets more awkward from there... the only time i ever feel 100% ok about turning someone down is if they're one of those weird fucks who start in with "i love you"s really quick, that's like an instant "i want you the fuck away from me now" thing for me... otherwise i feel a bit bad, but eh... can't be helped
>>5859178
Well yeah. It's just straight up saying not interested is a bit damn blunt. Meh.
>>5859190
Just block and don't reply. It doesn't matter what you say or do, he's going to know it's because of his appearance, so don't bother trying to pussyfoot around it. Anyone who does online hook ups is already shallow enough that they get it, he's probably blocked uggos himself plenty of times.
>>5859178
+ you could just say "sorry i'm not interested, you're cute, but not my type" and then ignore him after if that doesn't work and he still keeps trying... or he'll just be cool with it and you can both move on to someone who isn't a waste of time... but it's better than leaving someone hanging or stringing them along isn't it?
>>5859190
better to be blunt than ignore someone or string them along... besides i'm sure he accepted the possibility that you wouldn't be into him when talking to you... i'll be honest, i've never been turned down so i don't know what it's like, but i do grasp that it's a reality when you're talking to someone so eh...
and you should be blunt, dropping hints is ineffective, and honestly even being blunt doesn't always work... but it's nicer than not saying anything regardless
>>5859217
+ actually my bad, i've had two people who were interested change their mind once they found out i wasn't single cuz monogamy was important to them and they didn't like the idea of being an on the side friend with benefits and wanted a relationship... but both times they initiated everything, and i wasn't particularly invested in the idea of anything so it was just like "eh that's fine, good luck" and done...
forgot about them... guess i don't actually care about that enough for it to make an impact or even be particularly memorable... this guy might not give much of a shit either you know
Man, I want a decent presence.
>"anon stay with the car"
>try and be cool guy leaning on car
>pretty sure i look like a jackass
Met every dirty look I got though so maybe that counted for something.
>>5860075
The cool guy leaning on a car is always an asshole. That's why people gave you the dirty looks. Who cares tho. Good on you for meeting their looks. Go rock your style, bro.
>>5860075
what why would you do that, are you like a badass teen villain in an 80's movie?
Jesus fucking christ, why is shark week literally Satan? Not only is it shit in itself but it causes me to gain weight before it starts and makes me feel like a goddamn whale.
Fuck this shit. Give me T already. Fuck.
>>5860075
>this is the ftm version of the mtf bimbo caricature of a woman
>>5860145
Truthfully? My mom parked right next to a "don't park here, we'll clamp you" sign so I had to play guard and potentially do a little illegal driving. Which is pretty 80s teen villain so, yeah, maybe.
>>5859089
This happened to me while I was using my mom's phone at the library once. I don't remember what it said exactly but I practically had a heart attack because it was worded like it came from that phone.
>>5860185
>practically had a heart attack because it was worded like it came from that phone
kek
>>5860075
make sure you do it in short shorts and with a tank top with your face on it
How does test make you feel?
>>5860358
vroom vroom
I can't stop watching bad '80s and '90s music videos, please send help.
>>5860358
Like watching bad music videos, apparently.
I have energy. I'm not cold all the time anymore (negative: I sweat a TON, although I just found out that two other medications I take both have excessive sweating as a side effect, so I'm not sure how much is the T). I have a sex drive for the first time ever. I'm really hungry 24/7. I hardly ever cry anymore. I am actually happy and want to be alive.
>>5860358
Warm. Hungry. Horny. Very chille. Hungry
Hungry
Hungry
>>5860358
>>5860420
>>5860423
These niggas talking about food making me hungry now.
Also I never feel cold, when women complain about it all the time, so that's true too. Also when I'm horny (which no doubt happens more with T) it clouds my judgement and gets in the way of things. Oh and I can read a map. inb4 sexist stereotype, it's established science that greater levels of test correlated to greater co-ordination and map reading skills.
>>5860456
Fuck now I'm down the rabbit hole, too
>>5860456
>>5860479
First off, You Spin Me Right Round is quintissential music you need to blast at full volume and dance to.
Second I had leftover chilli earlier (made some yesterday and my chilli is fucking godly lemme tell you) and leaving it overnight enhances the flavour so much and it was damn tasty.
Quick question for you guys.
http://strawpoll.me/7066782
>can't transition
>financially dependent on lesbian girlfriend
life is suffering
>>5860792
Someone creates this poll every week, dude. Check the one from like a month ago, I think it had 50ish responses.
>>5859143
If your hips are wide, you'll have to work hard to bulk up your shoulders.
No ass, you'll pass.
>>5856324
I'm a gin and tonic man
>>5860420
>send help
https://youtu.be/gWOzUzJd6wM
Congrats on the sex drive and increased happiness, though. 100% looking forward to both.
>>5861138
*hugs* sorry dude. Hope you can get out of there as soon as possible if it's her keeping you from transition.
If it's not her desires against T, but financial reasons, go to the nearest lgbt center type things, look for some kind of local clinic that could help you out. Also some Planned Parenthoods can help with hrt related things iirc, would be worth calling your nearest if there is one.
Good luck and godspeed brah
In need of advice, m8s.
I want to get into swimming to build up upper body mass, but I'm pre-top surgery. Should I go swimming in a binder and T-shirt or is this completely autistic? I'll be swimming in the ocean and there's not a not of people around, so it might look like a wet suit from a distance? idk. Anyone else try this, and have any advice? How do you guys deal with swimming?
>>5862722
before i lost a bunch of weight and got the underworks swimming top i wore a loose binder and a t-shirt - which just looked like i was wearing a t-shirt. but i have the whole eds excuse thats very effective at shutting people up. i also dont swim in the ocean.
>>5862813
How heavy were you and how did you lose the weight?
>>5863002
13 stone/183lbs and i did this magical thing called "not eating 2500 calories a day"
weight loss really is just eat less move more
>>5862722
That's kinda weird, how fat are you? Why can't you just lift? Because you aren't really going to build noticeable upper body mass swimming pre t. Also,
>swimming in the ocean
What
>>5863024
Couldn't agree more. How has the weight loss affected how you see your body, with the dysphoria and stuff? I'm skelly as f myself and suffer the 'little boy syndrome' atm. Trying to find a way to get swole without looking like a bigass dyke (no T yet unfortunately).
>>5863037
I'm really tiny. There's no gym here, but I do Bodyweight (doesn't help much because I'm really light). Swimming in the ocean because there is no pool but a lot of ocean. I want to do swimming because it's a full body workout and good cardio, plus it's very good to get broad shoulders (in the long run anyway).
>>5863040
well i like not being really jiggly even in a binder. im much more straight up and down than i was, even if my thighs are still huge. i already had big shoulders because genetics/swimming as a kid. it all just looks more trim and less squishy. unless im not in a long binder then hoo boy that girly-ass stomach pooch and muffin top are the worst thing.
im just trying to rock the androgynous kind of look as thats all i can hope for w/o t (come on daventry dont fail me now give me those mones im gagging)
>>5862722
there's swimwear made for transguys... could just look into that, but honestly i've seen people swim in t-shirts and shit before on the beach and whatnot, it's common enough where i don't think anyone would give a shit or notice, but it looks uncomfortable and annoying...
i don't deal with swimming though cuz i can't swim + i hate the smell of chlorine so pools are out, and shit lives in the ocean and lakes and shit so i have no desire to learn either...
>>5863052
how much did you lose?
>>5863093
just over 40lbs
>>5863091
You should learn to swim. It's awesome as long as you can deal with the body issues and really good exercise. I can understand the chlorine thing though. Makes your eyes burn too.
>>5863097
just wondering... that's cool though, big difference... glad it helped your dysphoria a bit
>>5863110
while it'd probably be useful cuz i do like boats and shit (in spite of getting seasick) i don't have a pool where i am, public pools are just... nope... aside from the chlorine (i also don't like the way it makes my skin or hair feel + yeah burning eyes) it's like swimming in people soup... and i'm not jumping into a lake (which is most of what's here, i'm by a lot of fucking lakes...) cuz i just think of parasites, diseases, and living creatures...
i either work out at home, or i force myself to do shit like hike and climb trees, and whatnot (i say force cuz with the lyme it's hard to do shit i enjoy that's more physical, and it requires a lot more effort and willpower to do much of anything that isn't curl up in a ball with a heating pad) cuz i do like exploring places and seeing shit, i just prefer to be on land when i do it... water just isn't for me unless it's a shower or rain, there's just something about being surrounded by water that's really gross to me... idk, weird shit bothers me i guess
>>5863136
It's great that you stay active in spite on the lyme. It's the best way to recover. Hiking and climbing trees is awesome too. Somehow you never get too old to climb trees. I'm considering building a tree house this summer just for the hell of it.
>>5863136
>i'm by a lot of fucking lakes
Fucking jealous. The only option where I'm at is a public pool and I get spooked with other people around. If there were a lake near me and it wasn't completely green and slimy, I'd be on that like a fly on shit.
>>5863151
i think i'd go crazy otherwise honestly... before i got sick that's the kinda shit i'd do for fun, so pushing myself to continue is mostly just about working on depression and shit...
i like climbing trees mostly to get decent views and attempt to take pictures and shit like that... i never really climbed them as a kid though... fences and shit yeah, but not really trees... cuz i mean... standing outside of someone's house climbing the one tree out front is a good way to get exercise running from the cops in brooklyn, but there's not many places where you can really explore nature like that there... whereas here i kinda had to learn to appreciate that sorta thing...
my favourite thing outdoors though here is getting shit faced and then there's these areas in the woods (there's a name for the kinda land it is, but i can't think of it right now) over here that are just these small clumps of grass and little islands that are held together by plant root systems surrounded by water... mostly like mountain laurel and shit which have these really twisted big branches and grow really close together... so you have to both crawl through the branches and maintain your balance to stand on the small patches of dirt and shit... it's actually a lot of fun, but if you don't have good balance and have a hard time fitting through small spaces it seems a lot less enjoyable i suppose... my little bro hated it anyway, but it's basically a slightly more challenging adult version of pretending the floor is lava and climbing around on furniture
you should build a treehouse, they're fucking cool...
>>5863183
come visit, i actually saw 4 lakes this past week that i didn't know existed here... 3 by a basketball court, and one idk where we were, but we ended up going fishing at another...
their cleanliness though... idk... i know one of the ones i've known about for years would be horrible to swim in... some woman was caught contaminating it with fucking cat shit not that long ago, she was going to the lake every day and dumping her cat litter in...
there's a pool here too though, well in the community anyway (i'm in a gated community and there's a community pool)
the ocean is less fucked up to me than lakes, cuz of the salt content and it being moving water and all that... especially in like the caribbean where you can really see what's around you, so it's vaguely less horrifying... but lakes just seem like a bad idea
i actually know a guy who almost lost his arm to flesh eating bacteria he got from a lake... though to be fair, he also was already fucked up from a baby tiger (he works in a zoo) and shouldn't have been in the lake with that shit to begin with...
>>5863259
>4 newly discovered lakes
>3 by abasketball court
>gated community with pool
>know a dude who works at a zoo
God damn, dude, I want to come visit now. /ftmg/ meetup at Brooklyn's when? I live in a bog-standard Britfag town with pools that are either full of kids or people that know what they're doing.
>>5863266
the guy works at the bronx zoo, which is a couple hours away or some shit... idk for sure though cuz whenever i go back to nyc i go to brooklyn or manhattan... the bronx zoo is sortof a miserable place though, from what i remember... i grew up with that guy though, my entire family knows his entire family and all that...
the community pool here is usually empty except weekend when it's loaded with kids... there's a basketball court right by there too though
there's waterfalls and shit around here too though, one is a decent walking distance (7 miles away) the others are a bit further...
most of the people around here are kinda shit though, like... you'd think you wouldn't see a fuckton of confederate flags in the the northeast, but people here have them and shit... so you gotta be careful about your surroundings when you're actually around people... i mean there's decent people too, but i was like fishing with a guy i buy weed from sometimes... and the basketball court was in a different gated community that someone else i've bought weed from lives in, which is how i got in there...
it's only nice here in spring-early fall, winter is fucking miserable...
my house is eh... not the best place for a meet up really, but there's also like camping spots and shit here that i wanna check out this year... i have a tent and i've mostly just used it to smoke in at this point...
i've never been to a small british town, when i was there i was just in london and then liverpool (to see my s/o's uncle and cousins and shit)... well over by stonehenge too, but that doesn't count...
>>5863266
Which british town, amigo?
>>5863326
Basingstoke. Known for... fucking nothing, really. It's a shrug of a town.
>>5863303
Your area sounds generally nice but tinged with weird shit. Aren't confederate flags controversial even in the south, what the hell are they doing in the north east? I'm still jealous though, I'd love to live somewhere that has a little decent exploring capacity. Where the town ends, it's just farmland and private land as far as the eye can see. Dull as shit.
>>5863682
the towns around me are all pretty shit (i looked up yours out of curiosity and it looks way nicer than the ones by me) like there's just nothing worthwhile in them... but if you like nature that's what this place has going for it, since there are a lot of nice places... there's like private areas and shit, and like a wildlife reserve by me that has a fuckton of "no trespassing" signs and whatnot (i've been in there a few times anyway) but if you look around you can find interesting shit and if you drive there's plenty of other shit
the confederate flag is controversial everywhere in america, but in the south there's also the culture aspect that surrounds it whereas here in the northeast it's like strictly a racist crazy redneck thing... rather than like "southern pride," so it's a bit different... but like... idk... some of the people here who aren't that are still pretty fucked up... i once got stuck smoking weed with this pregnant chick (friend of a friend) and after we smoked she lit a cigarette and was telling me all about how her baby might have down syndrome and all other kinds of shit wrong with it... like just... idk if it's just that i'm still not used to the kinda people here or what but it's a huge culture shock coming from brooklyn to here... except in like the gated communities where a good deal of the people are from nyc
it seems like most places can be a little dull when you're used to them...
>>5863682
Well shit, you're only 30 minutes from my parents according to google maps. Knew it sounded familiar
>>5862722
i youre in the ocean its gonna be really fucking cold, right? i dont think anyone would think twice about you wearing a shirt then, you'll probably need it anyway.
>>5863998
Ha, didn't expect that. Kind of accepted that I lived in bumfuck, nowhere since there never seems to be 4chan Brits this far south.
>>5863913
That sounds so weird, if it's culture shock to you then it'd scare the everloving shit outta me. I guess I've done well to avoid the shitty aspect of the town and it's not thought of as a rough place though when you hear stories about arson, drugs in schools, robberies and public suicides, you're not really that shocked. My town is weird.
>>5843286
Hey guys, quick question:
I am recently fighting with my insurance to cover my testosterone. I'm trying to get them to approve Androderm because fuck needles, and the fact that I want the testosterone levels to be administered daily to reduce the peaks and dips that come with injection. However, it might be a losing battle. I can't pay for Androderm out of pocket. (780 dollars for a two-month regimine.) The whole reason they won't approve it is because "they don't cover the transition process" and 2, "you are female, not a hypogonadal male."
Kind of bullshit if you ask me, because if I was listed as a male medically and they looked at my testosterone levels, they'd practically be throwing testosterone at me because then I'd be "a hypogonadal male." Regardless, since I can only be listed legally as male after testosterone and a surgery, I'm considering fucking with my insurance on the technicality aspect. I might just pay out of pocket for some other delivery method, that way I can get a hysterectomy and some T, and then get a breast reduction after I'm legally male. (Because yet again the whole "OH GOD YOU'RE A MAN WITH LOW T AND BOOBS, GOD FORBID YOU AREN'T A PERFECT MALE, LET'S GIVE YOU MEDICATION AND SURGERY TO FIX THIS ABOMINATION, YOU POOR SIR.") Extra bullshit & WTF, my husband is FTM, and they're covering his testosterone because it was grandfathered in by another insurance he was covered under before he switched to the one we're on now.
TL;DR - If you don't use Androderm, and what is the brand name of your type of T, and what is the delivery method? Bonus points if you can tell me the dosage, and how much it is out of pocket.
>>5843324 Also, on the subject of tattoos, I have an Assassin's Creed symbol tattoo, but I'm going to get a Foo Dog with a banner that reads "Don't Slow Down", a betta fish, and a jaguar & leopard eventually.
>>5864253
I can't help you because I am getting on T in a month and haven't begun talking with the insurance company yet but that sucks major ass, dude. I know a good bit about medical law though what insurance do you have?
>>5864253
i use nebido, which is pretty convenient because i only have to get an injection once every 3 months. doesn't have much in the way of peaks and troughs unless i get a shot late. i also don't give a shit about the needle part because it's only once in a while, don't have to go to the trouble of self-administering and, hey, it's worth it for what i get out of it
not sure about the price because i live in the glorious communist republic of britbongistan
latinas
>>5864277
Healthy Indiana Plan, HIP 2.0, Plus Account, MDWise
>>5864285
I just looked up nebido, but unfortunately it's not available in the US. Thanks for the suggestion, though!
>>5864356
Nebido is sold by the name Aveed in the US.
>>5864253
Shit, I'm sorry. This stuff sucks to deal with. I hope you can get a workable solution figured out soon. I just won my own fight against my insurance company, so I'll go ahead and ramble on about my story and maybe something will be helpful.
I'm in a state (OR) where there's been a law on the books for nearly a decade stating that, if an insurance company covers a treatment (like T) for one condition (like male hypogonadism), they can't deny coverage of the same treatment for the purpose of gender transition. However, the company STILL denied my prior authorization request and appeal and told me that they didn't cover any treatments or supplies related to "sexual reassignment."
I had to go to my state's Insurance Division. I contacted a consumer advocate (it was pretty easy, there was just a web form), she contacted my insurance company, and I recently received a letter from the company 'fessing up that they had "misinformed" me and were now in the process of teaching their employees how to follow the fucking law. I kind of want to frame the letter.
I paid for two months of T out of pocket in the meantime. I am doing subcutaneous injections of testosterone cypionate (200 mg/mL, 0.5 mL/week). I got it from a local compounding pharmacy. They send me a package with the vial of T, the syringes, needles, and even alcohol wipes, and it's $30 a month. The generic testosterone cypionate from another local pharmacy was also $30 (syringes and needles were pretty cheap but were purchased separately).
I suspect I'll have to fight the same battle again in a few months when I attempt to get top surgery. I get the feeling that these companies try to deny everything they possibly can until someone calls them on it and makes a fuss. Legally, since the surgery is covered for women who can prove that they have a high familial risk of breast cancer, they can't refuse coverage to me, but I'll be impressed if they don't start out by denying it.
P.S.
I love foo dogs.
>>5864444 Nice. I'll have to look into it's formula, maybe see if I can get it made at a compounding pharmacy. Fewer needles the better, I've got some pretty gnarly PTSD relating to both needles and blood.
>>5864509
I would want to frame the letter, too. And then try to tell every trans in my state by letting all of the clinics know how I pulled it off. The only way this shit is going to stop happening is if we all start pushing.
Do you know the name of that law? If I'm lucky, it might be a law that will be applied nationally, or someone has gone to court with a similar case that has. Usually searching a law in wikipedia or medical journals brings up related cases or laws. Regardless, my insurance is a state program, so if I can find some name of a law to drop, they'll probably scramble to cover their asses. I won't keep it quiet, regardless of their response.
>>5864253
>Regardless, since I can only be listed legally as male after testosterone and a surgery
Uhhh unless your insurance provider operates differently from those I have experience with, this is not true. Insurance companies look at your social security records to confirm your gender marker. You can change your social security records with a letter from your doctor: you don't need surgery, hormones, or any other medical procedures in order to change your gender legally with the federal government.
>>5864662
True, the legal part might be different where I'm at. In either case, I'm going to wait until after I get a full hysterectomy before I make any legal changes. It'll suck donkey dick if I try to get a full hysterectomy covered and they go "But you're male, we won't cover a hysterectomy!" And before I can get a hysterectomy, I want to be on T a while because a surgically-induced menopause without having SOME type of gonadal hormone to take the edge off would be hell. Granted, if I get them to cover a hysterectomy and then just ask for an estrogen replacement they'd probably do that, but I'd rather them just cover the T. Less to fight about, less zig-zagging of hormones, less bs.
>>5864603
Yeah, the law that was applicable in my case was the Oregon Equality Act from 2007. I don't know anything about the laws that are applicable in any other states, though.
I have to wonder how many people in my state have had coverage denied for things like HRT and not realized that they could press harder and that it would be illegal for their insurance company not to cover it. This has made me want to find some way to help other people deal with these types of situations. If you aren't informed, you could easily just get screwed.
Anyway, good luck. I hate dealing with insurance shit, and I'm sorry you have to as well.
>>5864703
I considered the hysto coverage issue before legally changing my gender as well, but I ended up deciding to change it before getting a hysto. I'm going to be scheduling one soon, and my surgeon told me it's more difficult to get it covered as male but not impossible: it's considered sex discrimination (and therefore, illegal) for insurance to cover a procedure for one gender but not the other. I'm not sure if those laws are federal or if they're something within my state only, though. Though that law, if it's valid in your state, should apply to T as well.
Maybe do some searching for an LGBT center in your state that can advise you about insurance law there. I'm pretty sure that your insurance company can't deny you coverage as long as you have a GID diagnosis/proof that T is medically necessary for you.
If all else fails, honestly injections are very cheap and if you inject weekly you don't get noticeable peaks and troughs. I was terrified of needles before I started T but I got over it real quick.
Please don't get triggered
I was talking to a gay ftm dude online today and he was talking about how insecure he is about being with cis-males. I tried to reassure him that plenty of dudes are open-minded to ftm guys and that he doesn't have anything to worry about, but he went on about it being a worry of his.
To get further insight on his insecurities, I questioned him about how he would feel, say, being "treated like a girl" by somebody he was in romantic relations with. He got triggered super fucking hard by this assuming that I was implying that he would only ever be treated like a girl with dudes. It was a furious rage and he wouldn't even listen anymore, he wouldn't calm down when I was like "you misunderstand me" and "you got it all wrong" and even when I went as far as saying "I'm sorry and I'm just going to leave you alone" he started name-calling ME.
I definitely think it's something that needs to be put out there. The way I see it, there are ftm dudes that have WILL still be treated like girls. I'm sympathetic toward them. If you don't want to feel that way, that's totally your prerogative. I do think it will be hard to help though when you're randomly hooking up with a guy and you still have tits and and a pussy.
How do you feel about this subject? How would you feel as a gay ftm dude if you hooked up with a guy and he treated you like a girl?
>>5865135
>ftm dudes that have WILL still be treated like girls
We should we? What's wrong with a man wanting to be treated like a man?
>>5865154
Do you understand that bottom-men get "treated like girls" by tops in the gay community?
Again, you're free to be what you want to be and assert yourself over me with a strap-on dildo if that's your preference, but I (a pansexual cis-male) see myself as seeing you like a cute boy with your short hair and, by default, treating you like a girl until I'm convinced otherwise if you were at a bar and I was attracted to you.
>>5865135
>How would you feel as a gay ftm dude if you hooked up with a guy and he treated you like a girl?
Huge turn-off. Not as much in a triggered way as in a "What the fuck do you think you're doing" kind of way.
But it depends what lies in being "treated like a girl". For example, I'm not opposed to bottoming in and of itself.
>>5865135
just to clarify, what do you mean by 'treating like a girl'?
>>5865271
So you talk to a guy who stresses that cis dudes are going to treat him like a girl and your response is "well of course they are, you're a girl"?
>>5865301
If the shoe fits. If you act like a bitch, you're going to get treated like one. This is real life. It isn't just an attack on people born biologically female. If cis-men act like beta pussies they get pushed around by strong men AND women.
>>5865322
Aren't you a charmer?
I think the problem here is the assumption that a trans guy will inherently act like a bitch and so deserves to be treated like a bitch. And being trans, he's probably take it even worse as a challenge to his identity. You really shouldn't be the kind of person who pushes around betas because those people are assholes, and those who admit they're assholes are obnoxious faggots.
>>5865406
Do you want to be treated like a guy or do you want special treatment?
Being a man is tough, you have to put up with it. Call it "bullying" if you want, but use that to strengthen your character.
mtf girls get it, whenever I talk to them they really understand the role they want to be. they work hard with getting down the female mentality, fashion, and passing. meanwhile, ftm men want to be treated like men but still act like bitches without putting in the work.
Ask me for example.
"HEY ANON, WHAT IF A GUY TREATED YOU LIKE A GIRL?"
I'd challenge him to an arm-wrestling match!
>>5865271
>that assumption that all ftms are femme-y or don't pass
kek
but yeah trans people can be a little touchy about being treated like their birth gender
get used to it
>>5865445
I can tell this discussion is going nowhere.
>>5865453
THIS. How about we stop worrying about gender roles (we all decided to forgo typical ones the moment the word transgender popped up) and more worry about a person's emotional accountability?
Honestly, my behavior hasn't changed one bit now that I'm transitioning. I'm going to like what I like, do what I want, and not have any questions asked about it. I'm living my life for me, and if someone thinks I'm being a sissy, that's their fucking problem.
/discussion over, at least for me
>>5865908
The beautiful thing about 4chan is that, while anonymous, we're all entirely equals. Nobody gets special treatment or particular personal harassment for who they are. You're judged entirely by your choice of words. I like to think you all are regular anonymous posters who from time to time I say "muh nigga" to and times I call you a "FUCKING FAGGOT" all without knowing you're an ftm guy in real life.
I, too, dream of a world where people aren't judged for their appearance.
>>5864122
it's relatively safe here, but people are openly shitty verbally and all that... lot of like meth and heroin and shit here though... the church here has signs that seem like jokes like "don't follow your dreams, follow god" ... and then idk... after that the sign said something about god having your dreams for you or some shit that was a little less longwinded than that... that was the most recent one anyway... it's like... funny 'til you think about it too much...
what was the weirdest thing you ever saw there? ever live anywhere else?
>>5865322
>beta pussies
red-pilled shit-for-brains detected
>>5865453
>>that assumption that all ftms are femme-y or don't pass
lmao seriously. the ignorance of the people who say this shit astounds me.
pic related, they're all trans.
>>5866085
>pic related, they're all trans.
And I bet they're secure enough in who they are that a jackass like me wouldn't bother them the way you are right now. You weenie.
>>5866103
i very much doubt that these guys – who are openly trans and very active in the LGBT community – wouldn't be bothered if you "treated them like a girl" or told them not to act like a bitch or insulted the identities of fellow trans men in front of them. disrespect is disrespect and being secure in oneself doesn't equate to lying down and letting someone walk all over you.
anyway, you're a dumbass and probably a troll and i honestly don't care about a single word you've said so i'm done responding, lol.
My girlfriend asked me the other day if I wanted to fuck her with a strap-on.
Part of me thinks it might be interesting, but I'm worried it would make me feel weird and insecure. I don't want a dick that badly, but lately I've been feeling bad about my current set-up.
Anyone have any experience/opinions?
>>5866085
Damn. I can believe the guy in the middle used to be a woman but not the guys on the side.
>>5866156
The one on the right is Laith Ashley, he's an underwear model: https://www.instagram.com/laith_ashley/
One on the left is Jake Graf, actor/filmmaker:
https://www.instagram.com/jake_graf5/
Middle dude is Kieran Moloney, not sure what he does but he's hot lol:
https://www.instagram.com/kierandmoloney/
>>5866085
>that guy in the middle
literal ftalien
>>5866103
Since when does being secure in who you are = take someone treating you like shit. I'm confused. I would too have dropped you like a hot potato because I have other friends that know I have a vagina and still treat me like a man. Why do you think you're entitled to being someone's friend if you treat them like a douche?
>>5866145
Using a strap-on is both good and bad for me. It doesn't make me feel "weird and insecure" but sometimes it reminds me that I don't have a real dick and makes me dysphoric during/afterwards. But on the other hand, not being able to fuck at all makes me even MORE dysphoric, and strap-ons at least allow me to experience sexuality, even if it's not 100% what I want the experience to be.
I am not the same as you because I want a dick very badly. But if you're feeling shitty about your genitals it's worth a try?
>>5865271
i mean, considering any trans person thats okay with occasionally acting like their birth gender will always gets shit on for not being TruTrans and misgendered, you have to see where he's coming from. i dont know if it would normally incite a whole temper tantrum, but maybe you caught him at a sensitive time.
>>5865322
ok, so you're just a complete asshole. probably should have guessed by all the "omg triggered xD" shit in your first post.
im trying to decide between the names alexi and alexis. i know both are feminine sounding, but i like unisex names. alexis is one of those names that used to be primarily masculine. i like it a lot, but i wonder if itll ever cause any awkwardness.
anyway... really just looking for opinions.
>>5867180
Both sound like stripper names desu. But I've never heard Alexis as a male name before. But I have heard Alexi as a guys name. Usually for some russian punk asshole but still.
>>5867297
im okay with sounding like a stripper. i also dont really care if one is more feminine than the other, im wondering about peoples first impressions (after stripper.)
like i dont want alexis to be so weird that all my conversations start with people making small talk about how feminine my name is you know. im wondering if people would give a shit after the initial surprise
>>5867351
Probably also depends on where you're from too. Maybe try asking people around you? Like start up a conversation about names for hypothetical babies or something and see how people react?
>>5867180
I'd go with Alexi, but spell it more traditionally, like Alexei or Alexey. Those spellings look more masculine.
I've always liked the name as well, although I decided to go with something else (which is also Slavic).
>>5867180
Both are weird. Just be Alex.
>>5867642
what slavic name did you pick? being a slav i wanted a slavic name too, but not many really jumped out at me. ive also been trying to pick names that americans can say without me having to correct them. ive considered the variants aleks and aleksey, but between the weird spelling and feminine sound i didnt want to be trying that hard.
>>5867778
Just go with Vlad and become a vampire. As long as it isn't the sparkly kind, you should be good.
>>5866145
if you don't care for it you don't have to do it again, but you might really enjoy it or she might and experimenting is fun... there's only one way to really know how you feel though...
>>5867180
>>5867297
when i was in elementary school i knew a guy named alexis... found it weird cuz every other alexis i knew was a chick, and he must've said "alexis can be a boy's name too" 100x a day to people making fun of him... cuz we had assigned lunch seats at points so i was at his table, and that was most of what he'd say whenever he was spoken to... he was teased constantly for "having a girl's name"
>>5867180
there are unisex names that are more unisex and less female... and unless you pass 100% it will just seem like you're trans but didn't change your name rather than unisex (though even if it isn't obvious it'll probably just seem like "your parents gave you a girl name" to people)
you could just go by alex...
Could anyone tell me if underarmor sports bras would flatten my chest?? Im a small B cup. I dont need a completely flat chest, just flat enough. Ive worn underworks and lesloveboat before, looking for something more comfortable.
>>5865135
If someone purposely calls and treats me like a girl I get "triggered" pretty fucking hard. I can handle pretty much any other shit that I get dealt. But the dysphoria is strong in this one.
Lately I've been really pissed off that I've been on T for almost 1 year (with a 1 year break in the middle), and although my voice has dropped, it doesn't pass. And I'm grumpy thinking it's probably not getting any deeper.
Any oregon anons?? Im in the closet, want some friends to help me cope until I come out..
>>5860439
who the fuck can't read and understand a map?
>>5867886
sports bras do have different levels of compression, but pay attention to the straps on the back b/c that could give you away
>>5866045
I went to university in a place that's middle class as hell - 50% old people and 50% students. Big old ton of nothing happened there. Back home, I only tend to hear about things on the grapevine. These include but aren't limited to:
>security guard set under construction apartment building on fire over pay dispute
I went down to watch the fire along with half the town. We caught flakes of ash out the sky, it was fun.
>woman threw herself off balcony, APPARENTLY over asian-eye-opening procedure not working
>dead body found stuffed in a suitcase at the train station
Like, it's a nice place but there's some right bullshit that happens. Not a sleepy town. Sounds like your area is generally shitty but surprisingly safe while mine is generally safe but surprisingly shitty.
>>5867778
I just went with Ivan. Very common, but I chose it some time ago and everyone says it suits me (plus, since I've been out I've found it's actually quite uncommon in the US).
I have terrible taste in names, but I was always partial to Anatoly and Vasily.
>>5867886
I use sports bras a lot since I'm on the small side as well. Assuming the wind isn't blowing head-on, with a baggy t-shirt no one can tell. Gets kind of frustrating that I can stretch comfortably, though.
You know what's really awkward? Having a psychiatrist who's hot as fuck and exactly your type. Super nice, but goddamn. I couldn't believe it the first time I walked in there. I don't like this feeling at all. I don't want to think about you in that way. I feel like I'm right at the height of puberty right now.
>>5869412
Different anon, but I have a very unusual Russian last name, and I've always wanted a first name that went with it, but I'm too fucking white to pull it off. My great grandparents were Russian immigrants, so it's not like I have close ties, and I don't speak a word of the language. I just really like a lot of the names. I'd like to go with Nikolai instead of Nicholas, but I'd feel like a slavaboo.
>>5845696
You're not alone, familia.
>>5869463
this is honestly my worst nightmare. somehow i just know that i'd fall for any above average person willing to sit there and listen to me talk about my problems, even if im paying them for it.
I have to see a shrink for an assessment next week to address this trans-questioning mess and I'm worried I'm going to fuck it up. I'm really bad at explaining myself and downplay shit more than I really should do - how the hell am I supposed to get someone to understand my gender crisis in an hour?
>>5869681
This might sound weird, but consider writing down some stuff instead of hoping you say the right things. That way you can sort through your thoughts and play how you're going to convey yourself.
>>5869713
>My shrink is a 9/10 gay guy.
You're not gay as well are you by chance? How does he react to you being trans and identifying as gay if so?
>>5869711
I've written things down before for my therapist but I don't know what the shrink is looking for. I want to present myself truthfully but I have such a weak handle on my own thoughts and wants that I can't identity them to pin them down. I just imagine my shitty way of answering questions.
>so would you want to live as a man?
>wew, well, you know. living as a, you know, woman... doesn't really work for me. i'm doing something wrong here but i dunno man, i'm not the expert here, i don't know what the problem is. i mean, you tell me you know?
>>5869463
sounds way better than getting an ugly one... i can't see the downside... my last dentist was cute, made going to the dentist that much better... it was just like "this is shit but sure lean over me"
>>5869775
you couldn't just answer some shit like that with a simple "yes"? it isn't their job to decide whether or not you'd want to live your life that way...
>>5869775
It's not their job to tell you what you are, dude. It's their job to help YOU figure out what you are. Do NOT go into that shit expecting them to give you all the answers because that's just not how it works.
>>5869802
But I don't know what I want! Or I do and I don't want to admit it, I can't even tell. I'm uncertain, I know they can't make this decision for me but fuck if I trust myself to be able to make it on my own.
>>5869745
I'm on the straighter side of bi. But when there's a 9/10 guy I can't deny.
He's cool about gender and sexuality stuff. But how would he react? By pulling out the straight girl meme?
>>5869855
>By pulling out the straight girl meme?
I mean, I don't know. I've definitely heard of therapists doing things like that though. There's still an unbelievable amount of people in general out there who don't realize that someone's gender and sexuality don't correlate.
I'm 50/50 bi and even I've gotten people who ask why I didn't just "stay a girl" if I also like guys. Like the fuck does that even mean?
>>5869835
no one else can make that decision for you though...
>>5867180
That's pretty gay son you might as well just go with Aiden or Skylyr
>>5867847
I wish I was cool enough to pull off a name like vlad desu I'm not
>>5869835
Nigga if you don't even know if you want to live your life as a man or not don't bother spending the money on a therapist because you don't seem ready to transition yet if you are trans. What helped me when I wasn't sure was imagining my life in the future- not just an adult but as an old person. Can you imagine yourself as an old lady in the future or do you picture yourself as an old man?
how do i make my voice "masculine"?
i'm pre-anything but i can make my voice go super deep... but it just sounds like a pitched-down girl voice, aka what it is. i know a (cis) guy with a higher voice than me yet he still sounds "male" and the subtle yet obvious difference drives me insane
anyone know any tricks to get the general male sound or is it all in the vocal chords and i'll have to wait for T?
>>5869870
Not him, but, kind of on the same subject. When I finally go to get hormones, would it be a good idea to just, lie about my sexuality to them? I know a lot of people are denied hormones for stupid fucking reasons, and I'm afraid I'd be seen as not TruTrans for being gay. Hell, I've heard of a MtF who was denied hormones for wearing jeans to an appointment.
>>5871486
No. Dont lie to your therapist. Just find a good one.
>>5871512
Maybe I'm overthinking it, I get anxious super easily. I've been to a lot of shitty therapists for reasons unrelated to the whole trans thing.
>>5871522
Unfortunately there are a lot of shit therapists out there. About 60-75% of my doctors have been pretty crap. I dont know how it happens, maybe its that Im poor?? I just feel personally that if I lie to them, and then have difficult feelings during the transition process, I'll be shit out of luck since I lied to get on T.
>>5871398
I wish I could help you, but my voice has already changed a decent amount from being on T and I still sound like that. I started off with a deep voice, but it still sounds like a fucking girl.
I've been getting really pissed off about it because I can't identify exactly what it is about my voice that makes it sound like shit. I obsessively listen to cis guys talk in high voices that still sound like guy voices and I try to pick apart what it is that makes them still sound male while I, speaking at a lower pitch, sound female, and I honestly don't know what it is. And I'm too self-conscious to take a recording--seriously, that makes me want to die. I barely even talk anymore.
>>5869870
Yeah, a lot of therapists suck. I've heard local horror stories, too. But I've been pretty lucky.
I'm not seeing that therapist for gender stuff alone. He's not an expert, he just takes a personal interest in LGBT topics.
Therefore he referred me on to a gender/sexuality specialist he didn't really know - who actually turned out to be another good-looking gay guy.
And that guy is down with everything, nonbinary, whatever. It's really nice to know I can let my shoulders down and be a real person, not an actor trying to fit a mould.
I'm not trans myself but I have a trans friend who I have supported from the moment I met him, I even went as far as to give him an old cosplay binder which I no longer use since he's from a strict religious no-no household and would never be able to get one
My question is, How can I deal with him suddenly wearing feminine makeup and clothing? I understand clothes have no gender hurr durr but it's almost impossible to see him as male when he is running around wearing crop tops and shorts with tights especially when it's still basically winter weather here
He also always dodges around the name changing subject even though he has enough money and is of legal age to change his name but he will get pissy as soon as someone accidentally uses his birth name, Do you think he's just turning tumblr?
>>5871726
i'm pretty sure it's heavily related to the vocal chords thickening or something? it adds some kind of resonance/just a different sound. i'm with you man, i've spent way too long listening to guys talking, getting nowhere with my "research".
i hope you get better, dude. i've heard that imagining you're speaking from the back of your throat (or maybe back of your chest - basically just "back" rather than "front" of you) can help. i hear a slight difference when i do that, but i'm not sure how significant it is.
also speaking with more breath and volume (but not like... breathy and soft).
there's also apparently "female pronunciation" aka something similar to a slight lisp, etc. there's more info on that in other places but it's apparently a thing that women pronounce words differently in general. idk. these things have kind of worked for me but i'm not a good judge of it and it's definitely not passing-levels of change.
>>5871766
I don't understand how anyone can stand being super femme before they pass.
Maybe the desire to be a big old fairy trumps the desire to pass.
>He also always dodges around the name changing subject
There could be other reasons, especially if he's unpassable and pre-everything. He might not want to come out at work or to his family.
Or maybe he's turning tumblr. Who am I to say?
>>5872050
>I was never super femme, but I did try to blend in and do the stuff I thought girls were supposed to do.
Oh. I meant like after you come out to yourself and/or others. Before I passed consistently, the last thing I wanted to do was compromise my image by femming it up. Now that I get read as male I don't mind looking more fem. Because I look gay and not like a woman.
>>5872129
Ah, I get you. I was thinking about before that/not being out with work and family ect, where there can more pressure to conform.
>>5845696
>tfw no dick
>but a qt doesn't know that you ktfw no dick
>and you don't want to break the spell
>>5872318
that's rough buddy
>>5872129
i'm the same way. at work i'm generally taken as just really fucking gay because i'm pretty effeminate and have to have my customer service face on for eight hours straight. gets me a bunch of tips though.
unrelated, if i posted a pic of myself could i get opinions on whether there's hope for me getting more masculine? i'm already 13 months on T but i feel like there's something about my facial structure that will make it impossible for me to look as undeniably male as i want to look.
>>5872430
post it, there's probably not much we can say but it's worth a shot
>>5871398
Watch "Do I sound gay?" on Netflix, it goes into the subtle differences between masculine and feminine speech patterns.
tl;dr
> feminine voice patterns rise, fall, and often end on a high note. in general sound excited. masculine voices stay on a single note and drop at the end of the sentence. in general, monotone.
> women speak with higher toned sibilants basically, "s"s are voiced with the tongue between the teeth and elongated. men put the tip of their tongue closer to the roof of their mouth and it's pronounced shorter.
> certain words are more likely among different genders: "gut" vs "belly", for example
