I'm mtf and a virgin. I'm on hrt for about two years. Prior to it I had (and still have although my libido got lower) really intense fantasies of getting fucked by men.
Now I have an affair with a really handsome guy. He's tall and has a really nice cock. I sucked his cock a few times and he fingered me and also tried to mount me with his dick but somehow I'm not really aroused most of the time.
I mean sometimes when I snuggle up to him I get a little aroused but when I give head or he fingers me I feel mostly discomfort in keeping the poses making him cum. And when he fingers me it just kinda hurts a little. He tries to stimulate my prostate but it only feels like I have to pee. But it also could be a building orgasm idk
I fear I might not be into guys after all which would suck because yeah there are not many girls into transgirls...
What do? How can I enjoy sex? Or is it because I'm a virgin?
Use more sausage. if using more sausage fails, use more sausage
>I'm a virgin
>I've sucked a lot of dick and things have been in my butt, including a penis
Are you retarded?
>>5830879
he's the second guy I ever was intimate with. For the first one it was on blowjob on a single encounter and now I'm dating a guy but he didn't fuck me yet. I'm just saying that before it I was practically a virgin.
>>5830847
what about going for another MTF? u opposed to that?
>>5830910
not really if they would be feminine enough. But most of them are not...
>>5830847
>I fear I might not be into guys after all
Maybe but you sound really nervous. That will ruin sex with anyone.
>>5831025
actually we 420 beforehand and while it has made me more relaxed the last time I got a little paranoid
>>5830914
Not feminine enough? I think there are lots of trans girls out there that are pretty feminine.
>>5830847
Start taking test and return to being a male before you regret it faggo
This is a sign that Our Lord is trying to save you from a life of sin!
Go into the light, my child!
Maybe its because I'm not emotionally attached to him? When we first met he was pretending to search for a relationship with a transgirl, then he had a cis-gf for a few months and then we met again. But now it seems like its just an on/off sex-thing were I come to his place, we fuck and I leave.
It also might be that I seek validation as a woman through men...
>>5831720
yeah but most of them aren't (in the real world 4chan isn't the real world) and I mean everybody looks feminine in pics but I almost never see that feminine transgirls out there....
>>5834034
That is doesn't work with one guy doesn't mean you're not into guys. Can't fancy everyone. Take is slow, focus on yourself and feeling comfortable with your own body first, then find a guy you feel more emotial attachment to. Or just one who is, ya know, better in the sack. That guy sounds rubbish to be honest, I mean like he can't even finger a transgirl in the ass properly? Does he even stimulate your perineum, suck your nipples, eat that butt?
>>5834547
This
I've been with some stupid men
>does this feel good?
No! That hurts dummy!
>>5834547
yeah true but I like him somehow and he's the only guy so far who is really handsome and intelligent and stuff. Plus he's really tall and big which makes me feel really girly. Maybe its because we both have really stressfull lives right now....
Its not like he doesn't do anything he even bought sextoys for me and yeah he tries to eat my ass but since he has a beard it tickles like crazy...
>>5830847
Is that you? You are hot and I am a girl and I would date you so there must be other girls out there too.
>>5834932
Yeah but the problem is that 1) most guys are fucking rubbish in the sack and can't even control their own orgasms, let alone do the right stuff to their partner and 2) sexing transgirls is harder than sexing cisgirls, especially the bit about making them feel comfortable and relaxed.
>>5835801
>he has a beard
Jesus Christ what a pleb. Tell him to use beardoil + boar bristle brush to soften that shit up, and also massage your perineum and inner thighs. Also weed is not a substitute for foreplay. Kids these days I swear to fucking god...
>>5830847
Is that person in the picture fucking deformed? What's going on with that waist hip ratio?
you are a transbian
this
>really intense fantasies of getting fucked by men.
is textbook agp
>>5834034
>yeah but most of them aren't (in the real world 4chan isn't the real world) and I mean everybody looks feminine in pics but I almost never see that feminine transgirls out there....
thats cause you dont see them. Despite what self-hating trannies on 4chan would lead you to believe, a lot of trans girls pass.
>>5836359
I know enough of the online passers irl to know whats up ;)
>>5836311
>is textbook agp
well but if this is agp what sexual fantasies have non-agp hetero transgirls?
>>5836455
Same. Fantasies about getting fucked, being desired, feeling "womanly" and sexy, etc. are common to all women. In fact when criteria similar to AGP are applied to ciswomen around 93% them turn out to have "AGP". Since the "diagnosis" hence rests of the fallactious assumption of what it is actually supposed to prove (i.e. that transwomen are men with a fetish), it is what is in scientific circles known as "discredited", or simply "wrong". Don't believe a 4chan meme over science.
Here's the study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19591032
>>5839977
That's why women are nothing but fucktoys. Trans or cis.
>>5839977
What's interesting is one of the related articles on the side, where trans and cis women are directly compared.
>Blanchard’s (J Nerv Ment Dis 177:616–623, 1989) theory of autogynephilia suggests that male-to-female transsexuals can be categorized into different types based on their sexuality. Little previous research has compared the sexuality of male-to-female transsexuals to biological females. The present study examined 15 aspects of sexuality among a non-clinical sample of 234 transsexuals and 127 biological females, using either an online or a paper questionnaire. The results showed that, overall, transsexuals tended to place more importance on partner’s physical attractiveness and reported higher scores on Blanchard’s Core Autogynephilia Scale than biological females. In addition, transsexuals classified as autogynephilic scored significantly higher on Attraction to Feminine Males, Core Autogynephilia, Autogynephilic Interpersonal Fantasy, Fetishism, Preference for Younger Partners, Interest in Uncommitted Sex, Importance of Partner Physical Attractiveness, and Attraction to Transgender Fiction than other transsexuals and biological females. In accordance with Blanchard’s theory, autogynephilia measures were positively correlated to Sexual Attraction to Females among transsexuals. In contrast to Blanchard’s theory, however, those transsexuals classified as autogynephilic scored higher on average on Sexual Attraction to Males than those classified as non-autogynephilic, and no transsexuals classified as autogynephilic reported asexuality.
>In contrast to Blanchard’s theory, however, those transsexuals classified as autogynephilic scored higher on average on Sexual Attraction to Males than those classified as non-autogynephilic
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18299976
>>5839993
that's why it dosen't matter if you are etero/gay/bi/poly/etc.
Any kind of "feminility" you're gonna get wil be a pain in the ass.
Trust me. No way out.
>>5840270
Why is it a pain?
>>5840258
I take it as obvious that trans- and ciswomen are going to have variations in their sexuality, given their different upbringings and socialisations. Though the two aren't identical, I'd say even this study sheds serious doubt on Blanchard's theory.
An interesting follow-up study would be to try the same comparison but also classify the women according to cultural background, age (incl. age of transition for transwomen), and other factors which may or may not influence socialisation, in order to measure what impact that has. Is the difference, as I suspect, due to difference in socialisation, or is there an inherent difference between cis and transwomen? Note also that the study compares AGP-classified transwomen with non-AGP trans- and ciswomen, but does not mention AGP-classified ciswomen. Thus a four-field matrix (trans, cis, AGPtrans, AGPcis) with variations of cultural backgrounds would be ideal IMO.
Finally:
>In contrast to Blanchard's theory, however, those transsexuals classified as autogynephilic scored higher on average on Sexual Attraction to Males than those classified as non-autogynephilic.
This is usually takes as the main thrust of the whole AGP-buisness: transwomen are attracted to the idea of being women and being fucked by men, NOT men in and of them selves. Claim disproven.
(Note: I haven't read the whole thing: it's behing a paywall and my uni intercalation just got approved today so goodbye journal-privileges...)
>>5840389
So what's your intercalation for? Something personal or research? Also, I figured out how to get the PDF using my own university credentials.
>>5840456
Crippling depression lol. Let me know if the full article is good and I'll pester a colleague for the whole thing.
>>5839977
So what about a cis woman who fantasizes about assfucking submissive faggots instead of feeling "womanly desirable" ? Because it puzzles me. I'd find it repulsive to get fucked.
>>5840482
Not straight or part of the circa 7% of straight women who don't fantasise like that? I mean the study doesn't say all women are the same, just that the AGP critera work for both cis and transwomen and is thus shite for "diagnosing" transwomen.
>>5840370
Because they are gonna charge you with their problems.
The "drama" level can be different (and gays,you know, arent doing good in this area) but the heavy presence will be there.
>>5830903
So what you're saying is you aren't a virgin.
>>5830847
I want to bite those thighs
>>5832646
Just get a lower level of test to boost your lewdbido
>>5840479
>Crippling depression lol
I know that feel. I'm about to not learn anything in calc for the third time (calc I twice, calc II once).
I can't say how good the analysis is, since I'm a first year comp. engineering major, but it is interesting to me.
It seems you were wrong on
>This is usually takes as the main thrust of the whole AGP-buisness: transwomen are attracted to the idea of being women and being fucked by men, NOT men in and of them selves. Claim disproven.
The measure of attraction to men, which the study says is higher in autogynephilic trans women than non-autogynephilic trans women, is actually based on sexual fantasies while attraction to the actual male body is measured separately. The autogynephiles scored lower on attraction to male bodies, but I'm not sure if the difference is significant.
>Sex-Linked Behaviours Questionnaire (McConaghy, 1998)
>Sexual orientation was determined by responses to eight questionnaire items on sexual fantasy, sexual arousal, and sexual attraction, for example, ‘‘Rate the degree to which in your current sexual fantasies you are aroused by males.’’ In this study, items measuring sexual attraction to males had an internal reliability coefficient (alpha) of .85, and items measuring sexual attraction to females had an alpha coefficient of .86.
>Attraction to Male Physique
This scale contains six items measuring sexual attraction to the male physique, designed by Veale, and included in the Appendix. This scale had an internal reliability coefficient of .82 in the present study.
>>5842622
I want to have those hips.
>>5839977
Lmao no that's not true at all. Agp mtf's don't just imagine getting fucked by men it's the thought of it making them seem feminine that is arousing and desu it's not the majority of agp's that "think" maybe they're straight trans. Most are transbians who are sexually into women and claim to be lesbians but really are just straight men with a fetish for being a girl.
That study is flawed and not recongnized by any scientific group as legit and it's results have never been duplicated by any other studies. Blanchards theroies however HAVE been duplicated before so is more legit then saying 99% of cis women are agp, that's just retarded even for Blanchard haters.
>>5842688
But according to this agp met's have a higher attraction to females then men.
>sexual attraction to females by autogynephilic transsexual = 3.67
>sexual attraction to men by autogynphilic transsexuals = 3.06
>>5842754
Yeah I see that study thrown around a lot to try and debunk agp by saying "well look cis women do it to" but it's not the same. The way the study was made up to get positive results. If you search the internet you won't found barely anything on cis women getting turned on by imagining themselves as women or even wearing women's clothing. If 93% of women felt this way then surely there would be a lot more women talking about it online and yet we do not see that at all.
Basically straight women get aroused by imaging having sex with men but the focus is not on themselves as women as that would be the primary source of arousal for an agp mtf. The man in the fantasy is just background noise so to speak. I think a lot of agp mtfs start out maybe experimenting with men but find it physically revolting and then just go full transbian.
>>5842688
Wow thanx a lot m8!
>wrong
I don't see how. The AGP theory, esp as it is interpreted popularly like on these forums, claims that it's an attraction to the idea one oneself as a woman and NOT males per se (either in fantasy or person), but yet here these women are feeling attraction to men. At a slightly lower rate, yes, but they do so nonetheless.
>not sure if the difference is significant
>234 transsexuals and 127 biological females
Well total sample size is 361 people, which slightly less than the 380 you'd ideally use to get a 95% confidence degree with a 5% margin of error. Also they divide them into three different groups, which means you're actually dealing with three seperate populations (cis, AGPtrans, trans), the sample size of each being around 120 (do they state how many transwomen where AGP and how many where not?). That's bad. That's "9% margin of error"-bad... I'd say you'd need to question a lot more people, at least 500 for each population to get reliable results here.
(So, a 5% margin of error means that a result of, say 16.93 is actually anywhere between 16,12 to 17,78 and so on. So they kinda overlap sometimes and other times the juuuust barely don't. Or, at least we're slightly less than 95% sure they don't.)
And also this is based on self-reporting and thus people's own subjective feelings as expressed on a survery. Notoriously difficult to do objective measurements on, surveys being really an objective EXPRESSION of a subjective feelings.(Consider this: if asked to rate a candybar's taste between 1-10, you and I may both give it an '8', but '8' might mean different things to us and in actuality I might like it way more.)
God. Damn. Sociology. Sometimes I FUCKING hate my own field. "Fill in this survey, and then I'll do some basic stat on it!" is NOT fucken science! A good idea, I give them that, but too many assumptions (like that AGP is a legit diagosis to begin with) and samples too small.
>>5830847
>there are not many girls into transgirls
is this really true? i made an OKC profile as a transwoman using pics of a semi-passing transwoman for accuracy and my reply rate was actually way higher than my male profile. The trans profile got I think 15 replies out of 71 messages whereas my normal male profile got 11 replies out of 400 messages sent.
>>5842754
>Agp mtf's don't just imagine getting fucked by men it's the thought of it making them seem feminine that is arousin
Yes, you're right, but the study seems to indicate that a lot of ciswomen feel the same way.
>That study is flawed and not recongnized by any scientific group as legit
Sauce on this.
>Blanchards theroies however HAVE been duplicated before
It depends on the questions asked. One can get results that support a certain theory even if the theory is based on a faulty premise as long as one accepts and doesn't question that premise and remains within the framework of the theory.
This is, for example, why you will have different schools of thought within a field that all have peer-reviewed journals backing them. Or different experts saying different things. The scientific method assures us that the answers we get are correct, but the answers depend as much on the questions asked.
The article I linked to is interesting because it highlights this problem, and the implicit assumptions of the AGP theory, and is really a methodological critique. It shows that it isn't the ANSWERS that are flawed when it comes to AGP studies, but the QUESTIONS: ask ciswomen similar questions and the implicit assumption is made explicit (i.e. "transwomen are males with a fetish"), and the result becomes absurd.
When it feels like you are about to pee that is an orgasm
>>5842910
are you trying to make me pee into his bed?
>>5830847
You're just AGP
>>5842899
well I compared this with guys. On okc I mostly just get messages from guys and I just have to pick and choose. Most lesbians either are too masculine for my taste or they are not really interested in me. I think the problem might be also the fact that its so easy to hook up with guys that I just got to lazy to try to hook up with girls (while I think they don't like me anyway)...
>>5842754
>Agp mtf's don't just imagine getting fucked by men it's the thought of it making them seem feminine that is arousing and desu it's not the majority of agp's that "think" maybe they're straight trans.
I think by this definition I'm AGP but it's hard now because hormones crushing my libido make it really hard to focus on sexual things. But before transition I suspected I was really into men and just surpressed it because I was raised as a 'straight' male and the fact that I was so passive with girls.
>Most are transbians who are sexually into women and claim to be lesbians but really are just straight men with a fetish for being a girl.
the problem is that I'm just in some way drawn to feminine bodies but think that vaginas are a tad gross. Plus I could never translate that fascination for femininity towards another person when I was in bed with a girl because as soon as sex came into play I was much more turned on by the idea of a guy fucking me as a girl while at the same time I'm not that attracted to most guys or at least it feels differen. I just don't know I think my sexuality is just flawed and incompatible with reality.
The reason I might not getting into it might also be that my body is not feminine enough. Sometimes I'm arousded but then when I look down I see my cock and my little tits and it just doesn't look like a feminine body...
>>5836359
>thats cause you dont see them.
Because they don't exist.
>>5830847
Same boat. My explanation is that I don't enjoy it due to lacking the actual private parts a girl might have.
Or you might only be into the fantasy, but not the actual act. It might be we find ideas, thoughts and suggestion hotter than their real-life counterparts.
The third option is you might be into girls (or at least sex with them), so you should probably try that at some point as well.
>>5845121
>5'7"
>Daddy
Not to make fun of you for your height, but you're not even average male height in the US. Literally more than half of MtFs in the US are taller than you are. But I guess this must be satire based on the 4.5".
>>5845164
Yeah, oh well. I was trying to just be confident and shit cause people keep telling me that's all I need to do even if I'm a micro-manlet with a tiny dick.
I never bought it desu but I thought I'd try it for a few weeks anyway. I'll probably kill myself soon since it looks like there's no hope for a piece of genetic garbage like myself.
Back to fapping to cuck porn.
>>5845173
I felt bad when you deleted your post since I realized then you weren't joking, but you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Confidence could work for you better in person than when you're just writing out your stats in text and only have that to represent you to a potential partner. Your photo's pretty bad too, you look very disheveled and the fact you're so sad really shows. The confidence is only in your text, but your photo shows you looking miserable and that you don't have any faith in this attempt. Try this advice for taking photos. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/dont-be-ugly-by-accident/ http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-4-big-myths-of-profile-pictures/ And maybe I'm imagining it, but saying, "You need one who will treat you like a proper slut in bed. Me," would have gone better than what you went with. Like,do you see how it thrusts you into her range of choices instead of meekly alleging you're the type of guy she needs?
You're not a micro-manlet either, my brother's like 5'1" despite me being 5'10", and he has a 4'9" or 4'11" girlfriend. Some girls, cis and trans, prefer smaller dicks too.
>>5845261
I didn't see the deleted post but I suspect it was something along the lines of "you need the right guy".
I thought about this aswell. I mena its the first guy I ever have regular sex with. He's very attractive but I fear he might have a bit of a dull personality. I mean I like him a bit but he is just a bit too calm and boring for my taste. He treats me like a lady but I wish for someone to be more dominant I mean he is dominant but more in a demanding way or in the sense of being all over me. He seems a bit too cautios...
>>5845290
you should try communicating that with him
>>5845290
Anon was trying to put himself forward as a potential suitor. I could post a screencap, but since he deleted his post, I'll respect his wish to not have it seen.
So you want a guy who's more "loose" or spontaneous? What does this guy do in his free time? By dominant, you mean more self-assured and therefore unconcerned with what you do?
>>5845305
well I could try but it makes me a little bit uncomfortable.. I dunno it eveolved a bit from the first time
>>5845306
>So you want a guy who's more "loose" or spontaneous?
yeah sometimes he seems to be a bit shy then I'm a bit intimidated I dunno he just looks at me like I'm a forbidden fruit or something. He said he only has experiences with cisgirls so far so it might be that. But I wish he would be a bit more outgoing and making me laugh...
>What does this guy do in his free time?
he works really hard in a state business and is finishing his studies so usually he has very little time and is tired so maybe thats the reason I experience him too exhausted
>By dominant, you mean more self-assured and therefore unconcerned with what you do?
the problem might also be that I told him that I'm a virgin and that I'm shy and that I also have problems to get intimate with him without being stoned. Or at least at the beginning I always have problems to get close to him like at first there is a little space between us when we sit on the couch. Its like he wants me to go for him wihle I excpect him going for me. Also kissing feels weird...
>>5845338
what do you mean you could try... Communication is, and always will be, the most important part of a relationship.
