When are we finally going to drop the T from lgbt?
Being a tranny has nothing to do with sexuality and, by all accounts, is a mental illness that stems from a poor childhood.
Most problems people have with lgbt people stem from trannys and their "Look at me im totally a girl" attention seeking attitude.
Literally fuck off trannies
>>5738857
Amen
/lgb/ for life
>>5738857
What about intersex people?
>>5738916
What the fuck is an intersex person?
>Being a tranny has nothing to do with sexuality
>/lgbt/ - Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender
Transsexualism has nothing to do with sexuality but Transgender are exactly what LGBT is all about. Drag queens f.e. go under 'Transgender' umbrella.
By dismantling the LGBT brand your weakening your own movement, and slowing your own acceptance by the straight guys you love so much.
>>5738916
You mean the two or three people out of every hundred million born with ambiguous genitalia that aren't changed to one or the other at birth?
>>5738916
Intersex is a medical condition, a physical abnormality.
Just cause you're a boy who likes makeup doesn't mean you can appropriate the moniker.
>>5738926
No they don't.
The majority of drag queens identify as cis-male, drag is a form of performance, not a gender-identity.
>>5738928
We are allowed to marry. No one has a problem with gays anymore.
Its the mentally ill trans dudes they have a problem with
>>5738929
>>5738930
But trans is an intersex condition of the brain, its more common because brain structure is more temperamental than the physical body in terms of its creation. Gender dysphoria is diagnosed and treated by medical professionals as a neurological disorder, your caustic faggotry isn't going to change the professional opinion on my birth defect. Regardless, the line between male and female is not as wide as you think it is, and wearing makeup has about as much to do with gender as which end of the toothpaste tube you squeeze.
What's funny to me is as a trans person who is always in some level of discomfort due to dysphoria, gender is pretty meaningless to me, trans is almost entirely a physical issue. It's posters like these two that are so sensitive about gender issues, they just cant conceive that its possible a girl was built as a boy, no no no, they must be perverted freaks with a mental illness. Why else would anyone want be female? It's a weird twisted misogyny, and trust me that's a word I never use lightly with all those tumblr tards out there.
Fuck I hate being trans, I hate having to rationalize my existence to people. Can't you just go hate other groups of people? I'm sure there are countless more deserving.
>>5739126
When trans people start actively seeking help for their illness, thats when Ill stop hating them
>>5739135
You don't get it. There is not a way to change gender, there's not a single documented case of it happening. You're talking about adjusting the brain to fit the body and not only is that not possible with our current technology, it's also pretty fucked up and probably shouldn't be regarded as a proper solution. The current accepted treatment is to modify the body to fit the brain, it's the only thing that can allow a trans person to live a relatively normal life. Seeing a gender specialist and an endocrinologist is them seeking help.
You obviously know next to nothing about trans people. I don't get it. Why do trans people make you uncomfortable? No one wants to be trans, transition is usually the last thing we try before suicide, there are no other solutions, as much as I would like there to be.
Going into any therapist or psychologist and telling them you think you're trans but don't want to be will result in them trying to get you to accept yourself not them trying to "cure" you by making you not trans.
I don't get it, what do you want us to do? Go to Jesus camp and pray for forgiveness?
Didn't we already have this thread just a few days ago?
>>5739204
>transition is usually the last thing we try before suicide
Try swaping those options
>>5739243
Trust me it crosses my mind every day.
It's nice to know you're coming up with solutions though.
>>5738857
Also their is no genderfluid and shit only male and female
>>5739204
As a rule, lgb people dont like being grouped with T people because T people are normally loud, entitled brats with little self awareness who call people transphobic for not finding their mutilated bodies attractive
>>5739204
No transgender is a mental illness dumbass
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
>>5739264
>Trans people are gross and should die because a vocal minority makes me slightly irritated on my favorite anime image board
You don't speak for lgb, you're an immature little bitch complaining because your little club in a niche corner of the internet does't revolve around your particular brand of faggot. Also, way to show you're better than those loud entitled brats by making a thread about how your club should be more exclusive by getting rid of people that you think are icky.
>>5739311
>Trans people are gross and should die because a vocal minority makes me slightly irritated on my favorite anime image board
Im not OP, I was just explaining to you how some people think.
Thanks for proving those people right. I was on your side you prick
>>5738857
nah, I'll stay thanks
I'm also bi, so does that mean I should half leave?
>>5739311
Wow, you are a cunt
>>5739271
>http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
Okay now I know you're trolling. Pro tip, get a new article, one cherry picked article in countless pile of ones stating the exact opposite isn't proof of anything. It's really funny how people pull this out like a fucking ace in sleeve.
>>5739320
>You're a loud entitled brat
>WTF I'm on your side
>lets drop the T
>lets punish every gay or bi woman with a post op gf who has to deal with her getting discriminated against legally, and in most states can just be killed and have the attacker use the "trans scare" defense
>let her deal with her spouse not getting medical care like every other straight and gay couple
(bet you didn't know in some states, on some medical plans trans men can't get pap smears paid for, and transwomen can't get prostate exams)
how about we not shoot ourselves as a group in the foot, because you personally aren't in a relationship with one. This is like getting mexicans with anchor babies to decry boarder runners.
>>5739271
the same doctor that described homosexuality as an "Erroneous desire"?
FUCKING LUL
>>5738857
All trannies are faggots though.
Rename the movement to 'Faggots'.
Now all inclusive.
>>5738857
It'd be pointless to drop the T because we by default fall into the non-straight category as do all people who sleep with us.
MtF on male does not equal straight. It's bi for both. MtF was born a man, and thus it adds homo-ness to them doing it with a man, as it does for the man doing it with them. Not complete homo of course, but it falls somewhere in between. No 100% straight person would sleep with a tranny of any kind. I could go on with other couplings and such but I figure this demonstrates my point just fine. Getting rid of the T will do nothing to remove trannies from the LGB community.
>>5739387
special mention that most ERPing transbians are really just fem for fem
Transsexualism is a mental disorder which can be treated witch schizophrenia meds
Homosexuality is a sexuality which can't be treated through any meds, and has been documented for millennia.
Why the fuck were we lumped with these mentally diseased schizos? I'm sick and tired of hearing of anti-trans shit being also "anti-gay"
>>5739454
>Transsexualism is a mental disorder which can be treated witch schizophrenia meds
Provide proofs, even though I know you don't have them.
>>5738857
As one of the T, yes it should be. My childhood was pretty good to be honest, but I'm still weird. I also dislike attention, hm.
>>5738879
>>5738857
>Wanting press censorship this bad
No wonder lambda legal and all the other gay rights groups laughed you out
>>5738857
>>5738879
Boy your crusade sure worked
>>5739454
hey faggot
die
>>5739135
>going to doctors for help isn't getting help
>getting the treatment that's agreed upon by the psychiatric groups everywhere isn't getting help
Let me guess, the doctors are wrong because your feelings got hurt?
I went from straight male to L female, most T are LGB at one point or another. Prove me wrong protip you can't faggot. Go back to your growlr sissy fantasies. Ya, T is the real degenerate here.
>>5739602
Going trans doesn't make you LGB you fucking tranny
>>5739570
Nice lack of proofs there m8t.
>>5739616
I dunno, I was a straight male that hated sex and now I kinda want to get fucked by pretty much everyone.
going T made me a faggot
>>5738857
Why do you make this thread every single day?
You aren't going to get your way so quit your temper tantrum.
>>5739626
>T made me a faggot
same
I just don't see how anybody can rationalize it as anything other than mental illness.
Maybe it's a functional mental illness where the affected can still be productive but there's no real reason society should be subject to their delusions.
If you feel like you have to kill yourself because you don't like the bathroom your chromosomes picked for you, you should be able to see how irrational your behavior is.
>>5739204
>I don't get it, what do you want us to do?
Die.
>>5739665
Some people do. Which is why it makes no sense to torment trans people for getting treatment. It'd be like telling a schizo to just get over it instead of taking meds
>>5739692
>Which is why it makes no sense to torment trans people for getting treatment.
Regular people don't.
This isn't a magical world of drama where you're actually persecuted.
Most people just accurately identify you as a weirdo and avoid you.
Your treatment doesn't give you the right to violate the sexual space of healthy individuals.
Life's hard and sometimes you have to do uncomfortable things, but this is clearly a case where you are shifting your discomfort onto other people because of selfishness or delusion.
>>5739720
???? This thread is all about tormenting trans people. People are saying that the treatment isn't real ect
>>5739135
No one cares what you hate faggot who the fuck are you
But I don't pass and I am into men so I belong here either way tbqHON.
>>5739454
Pedophilia can't be cured either. Doesn't mean it isn't a mental illness
>>5739768
^this
I don't understand why you guys get so worked up over this. None of these losers are going to convince a panel of physicians that they're wrong. Hell they'd be laughed out of the room if they started spouting off all that nonsense.
Hell most of them are trolling and don't actually believe what they say. So quit getting your panties in a wad.
>>5739570
>cited by other authors number - 0
It's not a peer review journal, some sort of Indian website, senpai.
Present a peer reviewed journal, let alone a reputable one before you push your delusional whims.
>>5739720
Uh, you aren't a regular person. You're so offended by the doctors that you've cooked up a conspiracy theory.
The advocate and other gay media are right. The government shouldn't ban press freedoms or doctors just because their treating people upsets some sad man children.
>All these butthurt trannies in this thread trying to validate their existence
Shameful really
>>5739900
How does it feel knowing Lambda and Advocate called you man children who are desperate for press censorship? Like they said, the state isn't around cause of your tantrums.
If you can't handle living in a western country then get out.
>>5739913
>LGBT is an actual organization
Lmao stay mad tranny, you're just mad that we have rights and you rightfully have none
You don't have to let them into your private circle sexy time club but they're being lumped into the same vulnerable minority bucket as you because it's yet another thing that confuses and frightens cis straight people which results in discrimination, for different reasons, but still, it's messing around with the general consensus of what other people should do with/ how other people should act because of genitals. Unrightfully so, as it's noone's fucking business obviously, but that's the whole point. Yes some of them are attention whoring narcissists, but the ones who pass and don't even post on this board should be safe from discrimination just like faggots who aren't limp-wristed beyonce fans at work.
>>5739923
>Lambda Legal - The nation's oldest and largest legal organization working for the civil rights of lesbians, gay men, and people with ...
Right, cause the same lawyers who carried out all of the landmark gay rights cases aren't relevant and according to their response they totally don't think of you as trash.
Not even a tranny, just a fag btw. I just think sad unachieving man children like you using them as a excuse for why their life sucks is pathetic.
You outa take responsibility and stop mooching of welfare while blaming some tranny cabal. Pathetic
>>5738857
So you want to remove the gayest of all possible groups and have this board basically turn into a sex playpen like the porno boards? What do you want to talk about that excludes transpeople, your special little fetishes or something?
If you were even involved at all in the gay community you would realize what an integral part of it transpeople are but clearly you're just here from some sort of lesbian or gay circlejerk or some hetfag trying to cause problems.
>>5738857
Oh look.
This thread again.
>>5738857
>When are we finally going to drop the T from lgbt?
Certainly not until you guys stop borrowing terminology from right-wing hat groups.
>Being a tranny has nothing to do with sexuality
Not really relevant when the general public sees them as a more extreme version of gays. Trannies are put in the LGBT group by society without their consent or that of the gays. That's the whole basis of LGBT as a unified group in the first place. Not to mention that all allosexual trans people are going to be seen as gay anyways, as they're attracted to either others of the same gender or others of the same assigned sex.
>by all accounts, is a mental illness that stems from a poor childhood.
False, unless you think medical conditions that develop in the womb count as "mental illnesses that stem from a poor childhood."
>>5738930
Being trans is a medical condition. And most trans people would agree that liking makeup isn't by itself enough to make one a trans woman.
>>5739135
They do actively seek help for their illness. You're merely confirming that you hate them for considering their own health a higher priority than conforming to your ideology.
>>5739240
We have this thread every day.
>>5739243
That would be illogical. If your transition doesn't work out, you can always kill yourself. But if you kill yourself first, you'll never know if your transition would have been successful or not.
>>5739264
[citation needed]
>>5739271
"Doctor" Paul McHugh is a mental illness.
>>5739339
And the person who acts like they're entitled to speak for all gay and bi people isn't?
>>5739454
>Transsexualism is a mental disorder which can be treated witch schizophrenia meds
[citation needed]
>>5738857
Agreed. Trannies need to take their delusion away from our movement. Those freaks are only holding back our rights.
>>5739570
Where does that actually state that schizophrenia medications are useful in treating gender dysphoria? And yeah I think you're thinking of the case study of the guy treated with pimozide, that was a single isolated incident (sample size of 1), with a patient who had a severely atypical case of gender dysphoria (possibly not even gender dysphoria in the clinical sense) and could not be replicated.
>>5739665
Scientists and doctors don't try to "rationalize" things. Looking at things in a simplistic and "common sense" view is a very limiting perspective, it means you'll refuse to consider anything that differs with your own theories, which is of course blatantly unscientific. Scientists work with hypotheses and evidence, and the evidence points to gender transition being the most effective treatment of gender dysphoria. And that's how we decide how to treat medical conditions in general, we go with what works, not just arbitrarily choosing things that fit into our worldview. I mean, bombarding people with ionizing radiation seems even more counter-intuitive than gender transition, yet it still has a place in medicine.
>>5739720
Regular people don't need treatment for unusual medical conditions in general. Should we ban wheelchairs since regular people are able to walk?
>>5739789
Sure, but going on estrogen and living as a woman doesn't harm people the way raping kids does.
>>5740448
What rights are gay people denied that trannies are not?
>>5740500
gay rights are fixed now. There is no more need for a political gay movement. Gays just can't stop whining and holding onto that homophobia card.
>>5740500
Healthcare, trans men are not universally legally covered for necessary primary care like Pap smears, and trans women aren't covered for prostate exams. (After they change their legal gender)
>>5738857
lol funny, because I had a great childhood
I have to parents who loved me and each other
I wasn't poor and even though my mum's dead
We used the money we got from her to go on trips and even now we aren't poor at all
You must have your facts wrong, buddy
>>5738919
Underrated post
>>5740537
Do trans women really need prostate exams? I heard that estrogen makes it a non-issue.
>>5738857
>stems from a poor childhood
Actually similar neurological differences have been found in both gay and trans people, the gay people just have less extensive differences.
There are plenty of people who think gays are dirty faggot degenerates without any help from trannies.
>>5739264
>lgb people are normally loud, entitled brats with little self awareness who call people homophobic for not finding their degenerate lifestyles acceptable
Oh look, it's the same dumb bs people use to whine about gays.
>>5739720
You thinking your feels count for more than actual medicine and science is the real delusion.
Why do you post this stupid shit every single day? Your complaints have been answered countless times. You have no leg to stand on at all. Hell, you can't even get the cause of trans right.
Frankly, I don't think you're LGBT at all. I think you're some false flag miscreant.
I don't think people are unaccepting towards trannies, I think people are unaccepting towards fetishist weirdos and people are unaccepting towards shouty, edgy leftist politicos. People who aren't actually transsexuals. People who actual trannies are sick of.
>>5738857
>by all accounts, is a mental illness that stems from a poor childhood.
>>5740548
It doesn't hurt to have a prostate exam every now and then I suppose, but estradiol shrinks the prostate and reduces the risk for prostate cancer.
>>5738857
I love you OP, and i'm not even a fag
>>5739334
That means you should just go fucking kill yourself
>>5738929
its more like one in 300 people is intersex (even under the strictest definition). Its actually relatively common. If we include chromosomal intersex conditions, its almost as common as being trans.
We have this thread every day
>>5738857
>not a tranny
We really should drop the LGB from its since all this board is are pissed off trannys and chasers
>>5738857
The religious right are responsible for the problems LGBT people face, and demonizing trannies won't make them accept you.
>>5741441
you just want a doctor to finger your ass
>>5742902
NO! If I just hate on trannies and jews enough then /pol/ will see I'm one of the GOOD degenerates accept me and give me a qt bf who hates all the same people and we'll hang anyone who upsets us!
>>5739262
fucking YES
i'm so fucking done with those transtrender dumbasses
same to the agender, bigender, etc. people who are all "I'm my own gender"
>>5739351
>sensitive snowflake who thinks that Homosexuals not being the supporting force behind trannies will end up destroying all trannies
go back to tumblr, bitch
So intersex (born with both male and female chromosomes) = OK
But trans = bad?
>>5745593
Medical condition vs mental illness
Go fucking figure.
>>5739351
Personally I see no advantage to kicking trans out or trying to distance homosexuality from transgendered activism. Some people think it'll make people hate homosexuality less because being trans is a still a lot less accepted, so cutting it out will remove any association, but that's not how it works. Once the people that are attacking the trannies fully marginalize them, they'll turn on the next smallest group, and go on again and again until they reach homosexuals. Furthering the principles of pluralism and individual liberty seems a better course of action then trying appeasement in the hopes of 'peace in our time.'
>>5738879
>not /glb/
right order faggot
>>5748838
Do you have any proof that people would still, for some reason, associate gays with trans if they separated?
The only reason the lawyers keep us together is cause they know /lgb/ has their rights now, they just want to suck the treat of the T now, cause otherwise they'd be out of a job
>>5744347
70% Most are indifferent, but 20% gay guys hate them because to them "The grass is greener on the male side so why the fuck would anyone want to change their gender?" Then there are some 10% of gay guys who think that and also believe that transwomen are just ultra repressed gay guys "who have a mental illnesses"
And then there are /pol/ trolls which is where OP is from.
>>5738936
You mean that YOU have a problem with. Have you forgotten that there exists a world outside of 4chan? One where people arent as they are here? Ive met more people who dont understand what transgender even means than i have met people who outright hate the transgendered. You live in a hugbox, dude.
>>5739665
And if you hate someone for going through difficulties you dont understand, you should see how irrational that is. I mean, what effect does the trans group really have on your life?
>>5739720
You realize that your argument could easily be used against you, right? It sounds like you're projecting a lot.
>>5749386
>I mean, what effect does the trans group really have on your life?
OP who has been samefagging the whole thread is upset about bathrooms.
And yet at the same time if you ask him he probably think that gender-neutral bathrooms shouldnt be required since "it costs money".
to him
" Using a womens bathroom if your trans = Invading cis people's spaces "
" Using a guys bathtoom if your trans = invading cis peoples spaces "
>>5749399
He's mentally ill and sad the gay rights groups laughed his petition out. That's why he blames others for his being pathetic.
>>5745235
Samefagging doesnt make you right.
>They make this thread everyday
>They're STILL mad
>>5738857
let me guess...
A guy you wanted to bang transitioned and now you are angry because you didn't get what you felt you were entitled to?
>>5749508
either that or someone stole his sweetroll
