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Previous thread: >>5659468
First for I'm scared of my future.
Where do I go to make threats in order to get what I want
i just looked at my hairline in the mirror again
please god help me
>>5689084
Hair transplants really aren't that expensive.
Hi /thg/, how do you apply for jobs as mid-transition? I present female but still have male name and can't change that within foreseeable future because shitty system here. Do I apply using preferred female name and then at interview or whatever just tell them I'm trans? Do I apply using male name and show up as a girl and then explain? Do I apply using male name and showing up as male and then tell them I'm usually presenting female?
I have a feeling that this seems more complicated than it has to be.
>>5689518
you should just apply with your male name since a lot of places will run a background check on you. once you go in just introduce yourself as your female name and say you prefer it, theyll either put 2 and 2 together or assume its a nickname or whatever. you have to put your legal name down though, its bad to not
>>5689518
>Do I apply using male name and show up as a girl and then explain? Do I apply using male name and showing up as male and then tell them I'm usually presenting female?
Either of these will work. First one will probably be less painful for everyone involved. If you do the second they might request you always come in boymode, and being 'that tranny' who sues employers over this stuff will not help you get jobs in the future.
>>5689074
Threats will get you nowhere, if anything a therapist will give you meds for agressive behaviour problems.
Is it really ok to just start HRT and never socially transition if you can't pass?
I feel like that won't help dysphoria at all, but I've had it recommended to me a lot.
>>5692084
It'll help dysphoria, but you'll never be happy.
So the name I've chosen is Ciar (keer) and I picked it because it is one letter from my birth name (Ciara "keera") and it means the same thing in gaelic. Thing is its really rare. I'm already used to people mispronouncing/misspelling my name but I have this fear thats its so stereotypical for transguys to have weird names, i mean at least I'm not trying to be Alistair or Kayden or some shit, and that the obscurity of it would some how make people view it as stupid or even blow my cover if i ever become stealth. I want to stay as far away from the pseudo-trans tumbler ftm stereotype as possible, and I'm afraid its going to get in the way of that.
What are the odds that I won't be approved for HRT? What affects it? Should I wait until I'm approved to come out?
When I'm coming out, is there going to be "the moment" that just happens on its own, or am I going to have to set the moment for myself?
If, as a male, I already have a somewhat feminine facial structure (good jawline, no visible brow ridge, even nose), do I need to learn contouring in order to pass? How much will HRT help?
>>5692150
Any "weird" name could trip the wire for someone clued into transguy stereotypes, regardless of how you arrived at it. How many know that much about ftms though? I doubt it will be the thing to blow your stealth.
Among the good tips for choosing a name is picking something close to your old name, and/or something your parents might have called you. This is what I did. This is what you did. So I have a common name. However, people have rare names too. You can see it like this: you followed a direct path through your life to arrive at this name, it makes sense for you, and it would be deferential and meek to give up on it in order to stand out less.
>>5692150
The name you pick isn't a tell on its own, but it's hard to ignore when you first meet people.
If you pass, nobody will notice or care. That's all there is to it. They'll think you're just a normal guy with parents that wanted to torment their kid with an abnormal, difficult name.
If you don't pass, you will definitely look like a pseudo-trans tumbler stereotype. No question about it.
I'm a bit of an attention whore by nature, since I was neglected when I was little. People know me as the guy who does different stuff just to be different. I took on specialist roles in sports and music so I could feel indispensable. My mom called me a hypochondriac multiple times when I was in high school, denying illness, depression, and serious physical injury. I'm afraid that coming out will be taken as a joke, or that I'll be hugboxed until I feel guilty. I just want to be a girl, be seen as a girl, be recognized as one, live my life as if I was one the whole time. I don't feel like I'm wrong about this, but there's the nagging, "I told you so" sitting there if I ever decide I want to take it back. I've deliberately started therapy without her knowledge.
Should I come out before I start HRT, or after I'm down the road?
>>5692574
Come out when mommy dearest notices your breasts.
>>5692116
>It'll help dysphoria
Well, that's something
>you'll never be happy.
Tell me something I don't know.
I'm not even sure if it's worth it. I can never be happy so why bother? Sure I might hate myself less but if the end result is just as shitty what'll the difference be? A waste of time and energy is all.
>>5692823
I have a therapist who doesn't pass too well. She's just kinda come to terms with it and stopped caring, because at this point, nobody cares enough to go out of their way to misgender her. What she got out of it was the ability to be honest with herself, even if nobody recognized her as a true woman. Take it with a grain of salt though, since she doesn't even bother to get the voice right. It's a dead tell.
>>5692873
That's just not something I could do to myself. The way I look at things, being known publicly as a freak is a fate worse than death. Quite vain, no doubt, but it's something I couldn't live with.
I almost want to just give passing my best and if it doesn't work, well... there's always a way out. I'm just terribly afraid of death too. That's all I am, a lump of sins and fears and I don't know how to fix myself damnit.
>>5692873
Do you find it hard to take her seriously as someone to be giving advice because of her inability to pass?
>>5692942
To be honest, I don't know how she does it. I would probably kill myself out of shame. I just feel you should know that there are people who get by, without really being accepted as either. She also transitioned really late in life (~50?), so she's been through more life as a guy than she's expected to as a girl. Even has kids. From what she told me, I think she regrets not transitioning sooner.
If you feel like a lump of sins, you're not alone. Defy god! He's careless anyway, making mistakes like this, and creating diseases and parasites that could and often do harm his "greatest creation". You have a right to fear death, but remember that sometimes, the most fucked up people in the world have their heads screwed on the straightest.
>>5692954
>kek
I don't go to her for advice on how to pass, that's for sure. I have a few brutally honest and loyal friends who can give me that kind of "do I pass?" feedback. Literally the only friends I have at this point, so...
On the other hand, it's really not her job to give me advice in the first place. She can make a psychological diagnosis and decide whether I'm crazy or not and what medication I need to make me feel less crazy, but what I do with that diagnosis is my decision and my decision alone. I would love to have a mtf therapist who passes 100%, but it wouldn't make a difference in how I approach my own life. I will reject and decline people's advice based on what aligns with what will make me happy. It's called conviction, resolve, or self-worth. If I didn't have that, I'd be calling myself gender-fluid, not trans.
So yes, I do think she's qualified to give advice, but I'm going to need to start seeing someone else if I want to know how to be a girl.
>>5693214
>I would probably kill myself out of shame.
Most people would, I'd definitely consider it.
>From what she told me, I think she regrets not transitioning sooner.
I believe that.
>Defy god! He's careless anyway, making mistakes like this, and creating diseases and parasites that could and often do harm his "greatest creation".
*angry Christian noises*
I understand what you're saying and I know I'm a monster in the eyes of what I believe in but for whatever reason I still have the urge to defend it. I had typed out half a paragraph before I realized what I was doing but couldn't figure out why. That's not a great feeling.
Welp. I'm going to bed. Probably going to see a therapist. Was going to self med but I guess I need to shell out for professional help.
>>5689026
So I finally got onto HRT, 100mg spiro and 1 mg E
my endo said that the reason I have such a low dose is so I can stay boymode while finishing school... (life is suffering)
anyway I just wanted to ask if going on such a low dose will give me adverse effects
tl;dr dose the dose size of HRT effect the outcome or just the speed
>>5693449
>I have such a low dose is so I can stay boymode while finishing school
This doesn't make sense. It's possible to start HRT and take full dosages while not socially transitioning for YEARS. The only problem is hiding the breast growth, which really isn't much of a problem.
>>5693495
well thats the idea... hide breasts... pretty fucking awkward at an all boys school. I'm just super worried that taking such a low dose is going to hurt me in the long run
>>5693517
yes it will hurt, more than hiding breasts would
>>5693568
how do you mean?
>>5693449
>my endo said that the reason I have such a low dose is so I can stay boymode while finishing school...
Punch him in the nuts.
what is dysphoria?
being trans means that you have it?
and agp?
im just curious, this is all pretty confusing and id like to know more
>>5693601
Dysphoria = constant depression about your body and gender
Being Trans = having dysphoria
Agp = fetish for being a girl
>>5693575
You have an opportunity to go full time with HRT and yet you aren't taking advantage of it. This is going to cause you more headache and more regret than hiding breasts ever will. Seriously, just wear a thick cotton denim jacket or something, it's THAT easy.
>>5693601
>what is dysphoria?
A state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.
>being trans means that you have it?
Gender and/or genital dysphoria.
>and agp?
Autogynophilia. A fetish for being emasculated that is sometimes mistaken for gender dysphoria in the lonely and degenerate.
>>5693620
It wasn't my choice... my parents wouldn't me go on full E until I'm out of school. I convinced them to push it forward, but only if I didn't go on a full dose
>>5693614
thanks
people get very offended when I say being trans is a mental disorder
what are your thoughts on that btw?
honestly im not trans at all (im gay) but for some reason I find it very interestring
>>5693654
The evidence (I'm sure someone has that copypasta of studies around here if you want to see it) points to gender dysphoria being a neurological disorder, not a mental illness.
>>5693654
Can we please not do that dance in this thread.
>>5693650
You can still educate and persuade your parents into believing otherwise, like I'm trying to do with you here. They probably think you'll get DD tits which is not at all likely if you've started moderately late into puberty (16+).
>>5693654
Transgender isn't necessarily a mental disorder, we don't really now what causes it. The current theory is that it's a neurological disorder. The resulting dysphoria is, however, a mental disorder akin to depression.
>>5693654
I think It's a mental disorder... with the best and only real solution being transitioning.
I know fully well I'm fucked up, but I'd rather be me and fucked up than be someone else and normal
>>5693654
It's no longer referred to as a disorder in the medical field.
>>5693678
well thats the thing, I've been on Spiro since I was about 14 and they think I haven't gone through puberty yet...
I can understand their worry, I had a-cups without E but...
I'm just so scared I fucked this up
>>5693671
you are right, they are different things
sorry for being so ignorant
>>5693673
sorry, just wanted to know what you thought about this
I want to be a neurologist and this is very interesting for me
I cant explain why but I love when people are wrong in the brain
(I swear I dont mean to offend anyone, I have depression, ADD and social anxiety and I think comparing myself to normal people made me develop an interest in such things)
thanks for all the feedback
>>5693709
trust me, anyone remotely interesting is somewhat fucked up in the head
Dear trans people-
As a T-ally (gay cismale), I have one suggestion:
Stop freaking out over pronouns! People don't always know the protocol and if they mess up on pronouns, gently inform them of your preferred pronoun but don't throew a flaming hissy about it; you only make yourselves looks like volatile freaks who are never satisfied.
You can tell when people are trying to understnad transgenderism; give them the benefit of the doubt istead of spewing into a raging tornado of OHNOYOUDIDNT JUST CALL ME SHE!!! IAMAHEHOWDAREYOU! DIECISSCUM?
Trust me, that is NO way to advance your cause.
And yes, I have seen this happen more than once.
>>5693729
If people speak like this, they aren't worth hanging around, and they do not represent us as a whole
>>5693720
I know
but also those kind of people are also likely to be in the other end of the spectrum
losers
normies will live a happy and boring life
>>5693729
you are mistaken tumblrinos with every other transgender person in the world
or at least I hope you are
>>5693729
Was this at your college LGBT club or an LGBT event? I guarantee those were tumblr-tier transtrenders.
>>5693767
>Would upping the dose make me look more feminine.
Female hormone levels are maintained generally on 200mg of Spiro and 4mg of E. Your dosages are below that which could and likely will result in only half of a normal female puberty. Shit's fucked, senpai.
You can self-medicate pretty easily if you could somehow do it without your parents knowing. Check out inhousepharmacy or QHI, there's information in the OP.
http://pastebin.com/raw/yzMzTA5u
does anyone know of good endos in the seattle area? i recently moved here and need a blood test...
>>5693729
I think anyone who freaks out is in the phase where they're just getting their footing but feel really defensive about being acknowledged as the gender they see themselves as. Self-righteousness used to aggressively shield their insecurity. With any luck it will pass as they find equilibrium.
>>5689026
Well, this seems like the best place to ask.
For a long time I've felt.. odd, is the only way I can describe it. Some of my first sexual memories were me imagining I lived the life of a woman. This has persisted since. I feel I would be happy with a feminine body. I'm simply.. concerned that it's just fetishization and not genuine want.
An mtf friend of mine handed me a simple chart to keep in mind when I revealed my own thoughts, and I have. So I know that, to the degree of changing my entire diet, I have the will to.
I'm also suspicious if it's not simply fear of family and such that prevents me from simply committing to it. (Bible Belt Southern US.)
I'm very confused and honestly could just use a hand figuring it out without simply using my friend like a personal psychatrist.
>>5693818
fuck fuck fuck...
I could take more tablets than normal behind their back, but I've been on 100mg of spiro for almost 3 years, I think that amount is working for blocking my testosterone.
>>5693857
>I could take more tablets than normal behind their back
Sounds reasonable to me, all things considered. Be sure to continue getting regular blood work. A doctor will also be able to tell you where your hormone levels are at, both T and E, which can tell you if you should take raise or lower the dose.
>>5693897
I-I think I remember being told that my levels were in the normal female range... But still I want to be sure, I might go onto 2 E
>>5693912
I don't think your doctor has a reason to lie to you about your levels. I would take their word for it, but I'm still concerned about how you said you're supposedly on a low dose? If that were the case how are your levels in the female range?
Keep in mind, it's said that more E doesn't necessarily translate into more feminization. In fact, I've heard of adverse effects such as balding due to higher than normal female levels.
>>5693958
We had a conversation that went along similar lines as "I would start you on 2mg, but because of your situation only take 1mg"
I think he was saying my testosterone is in the female range, because the last time I saw him was before E
also 2mg of E is still below the average amount
>>5693844
If it helps I used to tell myself that this was all a fetish and that it went away after I masturbated... except it didn't, it never left, and was on my mind when I wasn't horny too. Now I am certain that this is who I am, and I wasn't really masturbating to the idea of being a girl, I was really just into the idea of being submissive and giving myself to someone.
Idk if that helps, but just because you think it's a fetish and disgusting, doesn't mean it is
>>5694054
I don't think it's disgusting. And the situation is similar. There is one thing that bothers me, though. I don't feel "wrong" in my body, as I've seen it described. I just feel that it was what I needed to be for that part of my life.
>>5694116
in reality the only question worth asking is "will you be happier as a girl"
if yes congrats, welcome to hell
>>5693857
If you can't trust your doctor, or want to hide shit from them, you should seriously switch doctors.
>>5693844
Not conclusive. Lots of people have cross gender fetishes. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. It fundamentally comes down to more of who you are as a person.
>>5694116
If your body feels OK, you probably shouldn't be fucking with it. But exploring the shit you feel weird about, and thinking about who you are is probably a good idea.
>>5694241
I can trust my doctor, it's just I didn't realise what I was agreeing too with a smaller dose
so...i feel like everything in the universe has been stacked against me from day one. my parents were extremely conservative and very religious, to the point where we didn't have internet access because there were "sinful things online." because my parents were so...authoritarian, i was always afraid of trying to talk to them about things, especially my dysphoria. i didn't know what it was by name at the time, but 14 year old me knew good and damn well that i wanted to be a girl
when i tried to confide in my parents, they told me that they would "get me help." their idea of help was to have me talk to a preacher friend of my dad's, and fuck no i wasn't telling him about what was really going on. the only thing that ever came of that was some really awkward family prayer, which helped nothing
so i repressed everything. tried really hard not to think about it. but by not thinking about it, i made myself think about it. it wasn't until i was using the school computers (i think i was around 16) that i started looking into why i wanted to cry when i looked at girls. that's when i discovered what gender dysphoria was
i planned from then on out to do whatever i could to transition, but my own depression and anxiety ruined my it. i dropped out of uni because i couldn't handle it. i settled for a job with no benefits and no opportunities to advance because i was too afraid to try. the goal was 20; i'm 24, no closer to transitioning than i was when i was 16. testosterone has had its way with me, and there's no reversing it. if i tried now, i'm doomed to being a hon, and i can't condemn myself to that
i wish...i wish i could go back, armed with what i know now, and change everything. i'd tell my parents. i'd stop being so afraid of who i am and what i need to do, and maybe - just maybe - things would have turned out for the better. but i can't, and it's my fault
i guess that's my rant. hopefully i won't be dead by tomorrow morning
pic related. this game kills me
>>5695198
sorry for said rant, btw. i'm just...really trying not to kill myself. i guess you can say that i triggered myself earlier. normally i'm a lot better at handling my shit, but not tonight
>>5695198
If you start at 24, there is still a chance you won't be a hon, don't write it off so easily.
>>5695225
i doubt it. i'm 6'2 with a widow's peak, broad shoulders, and big feet. the only things i kind of have going for me are long legs and wide-ish hips. maybe with expensive surgeries i could have a womanly face, but nothing can change my height and build
>>5695198
better than 2 lower class alcoholic retards
even being a fucking orphan would be better
>>5695198
i feel you man... i feel you
im going to a gender clinic tomorrow, i hope its not too late for me as im 23, i also fear ending up as a hon. give or take a year, at least talk to someone about it
sup /thg/, i feel like asking for advice this time.
i've spent so long obsessing over the different ways you can nuke your test that i feel i have kind of neglected reading up on different forms of estrogen you can take.
now that i'm switching over to an injectible AA i thought it was time to review what i'm doing estrogen wise but i don't know where to start and would appreciate some pointers.
if i'm going to switch to injected estrogen, i would prefer something like once a week instead of once a month simply so i have more control over adjusting dosage without having to wait out the previous one.
if i stick with pills, and keeping in mind i'll now be taking a subcutaneous injected AA, i would like it if i could safely be able to get away with occasionally getting drunk without causing serious damage to my liver.
apart from that, i'm obviously interested in potency, safety (like, i'm not gonna do conjugated estrogens or anything with that high a risk of thromboembolic events), and how level the concentration remains with a given regimen so there aren't massive fluctuations between spikes and troughs.
>>5695757
oh and i'm currently on 2mg progynova (i have been on it for just over a month), planning on upping to 4mg if i stay with it.
>>5689026
I may be in denial but then why would I be looking into this in the first place, I'm so confused. I have big feet, a square jaw and a M shaped hairline so it would never work. People tell me I'm handsome but I feel wrong and I don't know why. I have been depressed my whole life, being molested as a child didn't help with my self image.
So I'm posting for my little bro again, already made post like 8 hours ago
He wanna become trans not just because he doesn't feel home in his body, its because he might fail school and think its atractive
What I mean by that is he could easily get a man that makes good money or go into porn bussiness etc. , so if he does fail school he can be sure to be able to live (in a not NEET way)
The only thing thats keeping him is coming out to family and if he'll be a hon or just not look attractive in general (looking at some youtube videos of MtF, they all look shemale)
Pic related is him, just turned 14 and voice hasn't dropped yet
>>5695915
blockers now desu, dont let him honify
>>5695928
thanks for actually being helpful. i can see my cross-post in /mtfg/ did nothing positive, lol.
>>5695964
>i can see my cross-post in /mtfg/ did nothing positive, lol.
We are just so useless unless you're looking for an extremely creepy orgy in the Portland area.
I feel like I've been wasting my youth coming up with excuses to not come out as trans. I've finally gotten help for this but I feel like the whole thing with legal issues of getting hormones is taking too long.
I don't like to start meddling by myself but I feel like every single day I don't do something, I'm wasting my time.
Long story short, spearmint + liquorice is a good mix to at least keep me from getting any manlier or do I need a full diet change?
>>5696409
soy products and such, though i have little faith in phytoestrogens
>>5696409
>Long story short, spearmint + liquorice is a good mix to at least keep me from getting any manlier or do I need a full diet change?
Full diet or don't even bother.
Soy milk, spearmint tea, dried apricots, and almonds are ideal for both lowering testosterone levels and raising estrogen levels. In general, any fruits are an acceptable addition, exclusions will be noted shortly.
Avoid red meat like the plague. If you can't live without meat just eat chicken and fish. Mushrooms and cruciferous vegetables are the enemy of estrogen. Pomegranates and grapes will raise test levels and lower estrogen levels respectively. Wine or raisins are still acceptable.
Flax seeds, green tea, and saw palmetto are all fools gold. They will not help at all. Pueraria mirifica is the Queen of natural estrogen sources. If you want HRT but can't get mones you want that shit. Once you start HRT, drop it, since it'll just clog up your precious estrogen receptors.
If you're even a little bit overweight, start dieting and exercising N O W. Losing weight on estrogen is going to be so much harder.
Good luck.
>>5696485
Fuck it, I'm going in. I'm already pretty slim but I suppose a little cardio wouldn't hurt.
Thanks, this really helped me a lot.
I'm transitioning to become my own gf.
Recommend me a realistic dildo please.
>>5693601
Dysphoria:
>Unease or discomfort about being your gender
Yes if you are trans you have dysphoria
AGP:
>A fetish for being a girl, a sure sign of AGP is that your dysphoria goes away after masturbating.
>>5696678
how intense does the feeling of discomfort have to be?
>>5696744
That's for you to decide.
You could very well be transgender but not see it as worthwhile to transition, or become a transsexual. To clarify, a transgender person is someone who suffers from gender and/or genital dysphoria, while a transsexual person modifies their body and/or lifestyle to appease their dysphoria.
Many transgender people who do not want to undergo the struggle or experience the stigma that comes with being a transsexual choose to live a 'normal' life. Sometimes this works out, and they cope with their dysphoria, sometimes it does not, and they transition later or take their own lives.
If you are over 16 years old and think you could live with yourself for the rest of your life without transitioning, you should not transition. It is not typically a happy or healthy life to live.
>>5695915
Dumbshit reason to become a girl so you don't have to go to school. Jesus fucking Christ, 4chan has warped your mind, thinking it's a feasible life goal to become a gold-digging tranny porn star.
Get a therapist, get on T-blockers, do your goddamn homework and get the fuck off 4chan.
>>5696795
i see, thank you for the explanation.
im in my early 20s and had pretty much suppressed or denied the dysphoria until recently.
if it at this point comes down to if i can live the rest of my life as any gender, i cant say. i cant imagine my own future at all, especially since i very likely wont make it past 30.
>>5696807
None of this is rational as it is. I see trannies all the time fetishize the lives of female porn stars and truly desire to live it out.
So is the whole mtf hrt transition effect guideline images you see just like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and based on averages, and it's not that weird to be different from it?
Can I transition and still eat bananas and drink booze?
>>5696858
yes. everyone has a slightly different experience.
>>5696840
Get to therapy, love. You need it. Whether or not you decide to transition they'll be able to help you. I've been in your shoes and I now it's not good. You probably can't do it alone. Just remember that even if you don't think you have a future, you do, and it is only what you make of it.
>>5696844
To be fair, being a female porn star would be a very easy way to get a fair amount of money and attention. Two things most people crave.
>>5696858
Based on averages of course. If you aren't experiencing onset by the end of the blue zone something may be amiss. If you're self medding get your bloodwork done.
>>5696871
Y-Yes?
>>5696871
join me in using superior GnRH analogues as anti-androgen and yes you can!
although afaik even on cypro you can eat bananas, it's just spiro that is potassium sparing.
>>5696886
thank you, i did seek help for depression a few months back (all tough it hasnt helped any before i noted that i may very likely be trans), they referred mt to a gender clinic where i got an appointment tomorrow morning, im scared and excited at the same time to hopefully get some better idea of who and what i am.
>>5696886
>>5696878
I'm getting stuff a lot earlier. I'm by no means complaining, I'm just curious that is you get x effect quicker will you get y effect quicker? Or are they all pretty much independent of each other. I'm only like 3 weeks on hrt and am already getting bewb growth. I just really want terminal hair lose asap because due to genetics it is massive pain to manage.
>>5696922
pretty sure they're independent. some people are just more receptive to hormones. I was that way too and you will probably get more changes than normally reported if they come on faster
>>5696922
You could have naturally lower testosterone levels or naturally higher estrogen levels.
3 weeks for breast growth is pretty impressive though.
Go with the flow, I guess. Your body has a pretty good idea of what to do with the mones, and it'll do what it thinks is right.
>>5696938
being receptive to hormones is the only way to tell who is trutrans and who isn't. #trutranspride
>>5696977
If you were really trutrans your body would have made the right hormones. Only AFAB MtFs are trutrans.
Why is being a tranny so expensive?
>lmao shell out 500k usd to pass :^)
fuck you
>>5697017
Because T is a hell of a drug, unless you stomp it out quick then you gotta pay later in life.
>>5697017
Because cosmetic surgery is expensive and trannies are vain as fuck?
You could probably pass without surgery, you'd just look like shit.
>>5697045
>pass without surgery
maybe when you're 12 otherwise nice joke
>want a nice new name for a nice new me
>don't want to get screwed for picking something other than Alice, Jennifer, Madison, etc.
Fuck you guys, making me all worried that if I pick anything that isn't crap on a cracker I'm going to get clocked.
>>5697250
picking alice is a sure way to get clocked though, at least if you ask 4chan
>>5697288
It was one of the most common female names in the US for a long time.
You can't possibly assume shit about an Alice other than that one of their parent was conscious at some point during the past 70 years.
>>5696795
>To clarify, a transgender person is someone who suffers from gender and/or genital dysphoria, while a transsexual person modifies their body and/or lifestyle to appease their dysphoria.
Neither of those definitions are widely agreed upon, nor is it even widely agreed upon that there's any sort of distinction between them at all.
>>5697680
Well fuck tumblr and fuck you too.
This is the easiest way to define it.
>>5697250
You're gonna get clocked no matter what your name is. Be true to yourself or just don't bother.
I can't find a doctor in Tampa under my insurance and I'm freaking out
>>5697762
also water wet, sky blue I guess
>>5697724
It has nothing to do with tumblr. Which way is the easiest way to define it is a matter of opinion. You implied that your personal definition was the objectively correct and only one.
Hey /lgbt/. I recently started dating a transwoman, hella cute, really easy to talk to. I've known her for a few years before she started to transition. Having done some reading on the subject, is there anything I should know going in?
>>5697880
Does she pass?
>>5697887
More or less, but not by her voice.
>>5697880
don't touch the penis
>>5696840
Also consider the possibility that you may just be generally fucked psychologically, rather than in a trans specific way.
And changing your body doesn't magically fix unrelated psychological problems.
>>5697927
She does plan on getting bottom surgery in a few years, hopefully covered by her school's insurance.
>>5697927
then what's the point of dating "her"?
>>5697959
yea this is something i do keep in mind all the time, and something im hoping a professional can see though
>>5697384
>tfw I picked Alice 4 years ago
It's too late for me now. All my friends know me as Alice already.
So what's with the heavy use of "clocked" here recently? What does it even mean- like a person clocking/hitting you in the face or what?
>>5699268
when someone can tell you're trans.
Been on hrt for about 4 and a half months. I have noticed recently I have been losing a lot of hair on my head. Is this normal?
Should I come out? I can't really go anywhere transition-wise until I can tell my parents about me being trans (fresh out of high school, not at college yet). I've been experiencing dysphoria and shit for around 2 years or so.
>>5699620
You might be experiencing some adverse side effects to the pills.
>>5696888
>join me in using superior GnRH analogues
Elaborate and post sources on where to buy.
>>5697762
Self med and get blood test done bby.
>>5699625
If you're certain they won't kick you out or do anything drastic then probably yes.
>>5697880
Yes. TALK TO HER.
If you don't know something or are unsure how she feels about something trans related ASK HER. She'll tell you what she needs and wants unless she's mental, in which case you're screwed anyways.
>>5699268
>recently
It's been a term for about as long as 'passing'.
To be clocked is to fail at passing.
>>5699625
Tread very carefully. If you don't have a reasonably good idea how they'll react do not come out. It could end very badly for you.
>>5699779
Don't know much about them but I know she's getting them prescription.
don't want to age like a man, I want breasts, hair I can grow out and style and actually look like a woman instead of a twink, or pretentious manbun. I want curves, and to be able to actually be proud of my legs and ass rather than embarrassed because that's not male aesthetic (cute booty with nice legs, not muscular).I just feel bored and unsatisfied living a male life. And I know gender binaries are social constructs, but I'd be kind open and OK with being trans (while being cautious of surroundings ofc). Maybe female with male genitalia is in support of social gender constructs then.
Most people are attracted to secondary features like tits, ass, scent, hair, etc. A vagina can only get you so far, and ugly cis women know this too.
Am I wrong to transition for this? I'm OK with my dick and would still want PiV sex
>>5701408
I don't see anything wrong with it per se. I mean, that describes a sizable fraction of the people posting in the mtf general thread and they seem to overall be doing okay with it, at least.
>>5701445
You think? I pass, I've got a gf, and I've already got my letter for HRT. Everything's in place for me but I can't help fight this sinking feeling that maybe this is some fetish.
Or maybe not? it's ok to enjoy how you look right?
>>5701408
>Am I wrong to transition for this? I'm OK with my dick and would still want PiV
Everyone has different expectations and views about tranition. I want a full transition, surgery and hormones (keeping it natural). yet I wouldn't get laser hair removal on my face simply so I can pass as a male easier any time I want. So if you want a transition but keep your penis there is mothering wrong with it.
>>5701504
I had this feeling before hrt. I would get moments of doubt but since starting hrt I have stopped feeling I might regret it and have been a lot happier. Most effects of hrt that are permanent do not set in until at least 3 months on average. If you don't like it after a week get off it. If you want children I would recommend banking sperm.
I'm planning on fasting for the next month to try and lose as much weight as possible, I'm about a year hrt, will this mess up my development?
>>5689026
Lately I've had urges to try makeup and dressup and shit. I've been noticing I stand very effeminately, I have some mannerisms that might be described as womanly.
Thing is, I'm straight. I don't know if that's a factor or not. I've been extremely depressed for a very long time. I've tried to commit suicide six times now, six different ways. I'm starting to wonder if the way I feel about everything is because I'm the wrong person in the wrong body.
Any advice?
>>5701836
I also have pectus excavatum, if that affects anything.
Am I just confused? Am I lez in a man's body? I feel like even that's true I would become socially unacceptable in the circle I already exist and never accepted running in L circles because born with penis.
>>5701813
Yes, the body needs food to build on.
Going to tell my GP I self medicate, I was going to bring the boxes they were packed in and the information that came with it. what else should I bring?
Mtf here,
I'm on HRT legit, not self meddling. Gnrh analogue and estrogen patches. Hormone levels seem okay I think and my doctor says, but I'm really worried about my hair. I don't have the best hairline but it's not terrible yet, but when I bring this up and ask to go on finasteride or similar my doc says I shouldn't be concerned and won't give me a prescription.
I get that she's hesitant to overmedicate me, but baldness us really not something I can live with. I even asked another doctor about it and they said similar.
Am I worrying unnecessarily? How can I tell if my hair is getting worse before its obviously visible? What do I even do in this situation?
As a note I don't live in the US so I can't easily or at all really get stuff without a script.
>>5701908
good luck, tell us how it goes, I'm doing the same thing next Thursday, hoping to get a bridging script
If I have a slightly receding hairline at 19 1/2 years old and can still see the vellus hair where my normal hair used to be can I expect it to regrow?
>>5702361
Once I start hrt that is.
>>5702361
yes, probably. buy finasteride online desu. fincar 5mg tablets. get a pill cutter, have half a pill each day. why wait for stuff to get worse, ya know?
Will training my voice take away my ability to do impressions?
I don't really dislike my male voice that much and one of the talents I'm known for is doing spot-on impersonations of people. Would I lose that ability if I worked on my voice?
Ughhh. I've been on hormones 7 years but I've moved around and changed doctors a lot. My current doctors know nothing. How do I figure out what my options are for surgery? I'm American, but living in Canada. I don't think SK covers SRS well (like 40%), and I don't know if their insurance covers it for foreigners. Could I get American insurance and use it somehow?
I'm aiming for surgery 2 years from now, whether I have to pay out of pocket or not. What do I do? >_< I'm completely lost at this point.
>>5702405
FWIW, I used to be really good at impressions... and now I can't do them. You can probably relearn it, but it's definitely a different skill to do impersonations with your girl voice.
It's also one of those 'use them or lose them' things. I know of transgirls who practise their male voice despite using their female voice in daily life. They kept their ability to use their male voice and impressions; if you don't practise your male voice, your female voice becomes your only one.
>>5701813
Lose weight normally, not by starving yourself for a month. You'll avoid hurting your development while still getting skinny.
>>5699625
If you were to get a job, you could take hormones in secret until you felt ready to come out... it's what I did fresh out of high school. I didn't tell my parents until a month before I was moving out. It worked out pretty well desu.
>>5702221
Did you even try to understand how your meds work?
>>5702460
in case they don't, i'll try to explain.
>>5702221
finasteride is a 5α-reductase inhibitor. it basically stops the 5α-reductase enzyme from converting testosterone into DHT which causes receding hairline.
5α-reductase is responsible for the conversion of about 5% of your testosterone in this way.
if you take finasteride without another anti-androgen, because 5α-reductase is no longer converting that small proportion of your testosterone into DHT, your DHT drops but your testosterone rises.
but you ARE on an anti-androgen, one which stops testosterone from being produced in the first place. ergo you could take finasteride, but there probably isn't any need to, because with a GnRH analogue you shouldn't even have enough testosterone in you to be converted into DHT.
the only use for finasteride in conjunction with a GnRH analogue, as i see it, is for the first 2 weeks of starting a GnRH agonist such as leuprorelin or triptorelin, during the initial surge before desensitization. once your testosterone then drops after 2 weeks, you should be able to come off the finasteride too.
if you have already been on a GnRH agonist for more than 2 weeks, or if you've been on a GnRH antagonist for any length of time, there really shouldn't be any need for a 5α-reductase inhibitor.
I got hormonal acne. Surely spiro on a guy will help with that as well? Anyone have experience with acne going away from a transition?
I have a few scars from it I'm looking at fixing this year. Looks like it won't be more than a few thousand dollars.
I'm also terrified hrt is going to do jack shit at 24 but make me fat and break my dick. I think I'm going to go look at transition pics again.
>>5701836
> Thing is, I'm straight. I don't know if that's a factor or not.
Put it this way - if the only thing that's holding you back is the fact that you're straight, don't let it. There are such a thing as "trans-lesbians" so to speak. You can be MtF and still like women.
So basically, if that's the only thing that's stopping you, I'd say just go get some makeup and girl clothes and give it a shot. If you put them on and all you want to do is jerk off to yourself - well, it might be some sort of fetish thing. If you feel comfortable, happy, content, etc., congrats, welcome to the club! ;P
>>5702405
No. You can learn and adapt and do impressions even with a female speaking voice, it only requires practice. With enough practice your female voice will happen naturally, allowing you the option to also practice impressions (again).
Anyone for a range in mind for how long and how expensive laser is for beard and stash? Six months? A year? Are we talking more than 2000?
>>5702741
Not more than $2000 god no. It may take 5-10 months, maybe more it really depends on how well it works for you.
I had session #10 a few months ago at $150 each while getting every 5th free, putting it at $1200. But that didn't completely get rid of it yet, so now I'm just biting the bullet going for electrolysis for permanent results instead of laser.
>>5702779
I forgot electrolysis was a different thing. What would a time and cost be fully that route you think? Faster but more expensive?
>tfw you want to crossdress and look like a cute girl
>but you live with your family and probably will until you reach 24 years old or more
fuckfuckfuckfuck
>>5702840
Ease into it, both for your comfort and your parents. I've been into fashion for a long time so it was no surprise to my parents when I started wearing questionably female clothing. They see it as a peculiar interest in certain clothing but not some gross fetish.
>>5702839
Electro is faster and more expensive yes, and honestly more painful. But its a one shot method of getting rid of the hair and you'll never have to worry about it again, where laser is temporary.
How much would full body aside from scalp electro cost? How long would it take?
>>5702940
Laser is temporary, so why is it the preferred method?
>>5702531
Thanks for the reply, and I do know how they work, I'm just really paranoid and I have noticed quite a few MtFs on this board take Finasteride in addition to anti-androgens. That's why I wanted to ask the community.
Still, thanks a lot, I'll try not to fret about it so much.
>>5702840
Listen here senpai. I started at 19 while living in my parents' house. Now I'm almost 21 and they still haven't kicked me out despite being super religious.
I just went stealth mode and got a binder. Finally my mom noticed something was amiss when she saw me naked with no body hair and breasts, but by then it was beyond stopping so I just 'came out' by confessing. They didn't want to throw me on the street so they're just letting me stay until I finish uni.
If you think something like that can work for you, well, it's an option.
>>5702988
Cheaper and less painful. I wouldn't say it's preferred though, especially not for MtFs.
How do I stop speaking in a whisper while using my girl voice?
>>5704424
chin up anon
Alright, so, I am transgender. I'd be a lot happier as a woman, no doubt. The thing is, my dysphoria isn't that bad, and if I am completely absorbed in something I enjoy then I'm pretty much okay.
If I could transition and pass with only minor surgery I'd do it in a heartbeat, but the fact is it's a huge investment of both time and money which I frankly don't have enough of as it is. Not to mention all the difficulties even passing transpeople face.
Sure I wouldn't really be treating the dysphoria, and every action would be in some way or another escapism, but maybe that's okay. It's not like transitioning makes it all go away anyways.
Should I just buck up and hope life doesn't hand me lemons or cut down the lemon tree and hope it doesn't fall on me? (this sounded much better in my head)
>>5704473
You might be fine spending your life immersed in distractions. But dysphoria tends to get worse over time. Who's to say.
Sometimes, when I'm fresh out of the shower, I've just shaved, and my hair's conditioned, I look in the mirror and see a tiny flicker of what I think might be femininity and I'm ecstatic. It gives me hope that I won't look hideous.
I'm seeing a therapist right now for anxiety and depression, how the fuck do I tell her I'm trans? I already have a hard enough time talking about anything else. I've also never told anyone about this other than on here.
>>5704790
iktf
>>5705531
do a prelude where you say that you're honestly afraid to see how she'll react, tell her you haven't told anyone else, and that what you manage to say will be a simplified and imperfect portrayal of a history of complex feelings, tell her it feels like jumping off a cliff without knowing how you'll land.
stuff like that. just get all your apprehensions out there first.
then you tell her you're trans.
phrase it however you can get it out of your mouth
>>5705531
If you think you literally won't be able to tell her maybe try writing a note explaining your thoughts and give it to her next session.
>>5705531
>how the fuck do I tell her I'm trans?
"I want to be the little girl."
>>5705531
Print a document from DSM-5 about gender dysphoria and show it to her.
>>5705895
actually, I'll just do this one.
>>5705895
>>5705943
>>5704473
>it's a huge investment of both time and money which I frankly don't have enough of as it is
Fuck I know this feel.
>don't want transitioning to crush my dreams
>don't want my dreams to be incomplete because I'm not who I want to be
>>5706695
Your dreams are dreams.
Transition is real.
>>5706776
>Transition is real.
It doesn't really feel like it's real. Just another far off dream.
>>5705895
It's a meme, but I really do wish I was a little girl; not in terms of age, but height. I had clear dysphoric feelings about my height years before I really got dysphoric about other gender-related things; I was (and am) very tall, basically always the tallest person in my class. I felt really awkward because of it, I'm not even really sure why. I don't really have a question or need help with it, I just got reminded of that.
>>5706881
iktf
I'm only 5'8" but I still tower over a lot of girls.
Honestly being a little girl would be pretty nice too. I'd sacrifice most of my mind and memories to get to grow up as a girl, as crazy as that sounds...
>>5706903
If you find a genie willing to grant that wish please let me know, I want to rub its lamp too.
>>5706911
Just wish for all of /thg/ to have grown up how they wanted to have grown up, you'll cover everyone
>>5706911
I'll give you something to rub~.
Seriously though, why is there no magic? We need magic. This science shit is not working for me.
>>5706695
>mfw im working on my video game dev dream and my transition right now
>mfw theyre both pointless crapshoots that will end in ruin
Since starting hrt I have had a really stron erge to hug people. Is this normal or am I just weird?
>>5707849
I don't know if it's normal but I have the same thing
>been putting off transition
>just repress it, being a tranny would suck
>nightmare last night that my shoulders were bigger
>not sure why it was a nightmare, just know I hated it
I don't think it's working...
why are somalians higher priority patients than trannies
>>5704473
I'm in the same boat as you. Only issue with me is, I know for a fact transitioning is going to be rough for me, and without surgery I'll certainly not pass.
It doesn't help that I live with a family that can hardly stand gays/lesbians, nevermind transsexuals.
So my dilemma is this: I can live as a man, and drown myself in drugs and videogames so I don't think too much about it, or I can (try to) live as a woman, and (hopefully) feel more content with my life.
Fuck, it really hurts to think about
>>5708734
Or you could demand the money you need to pass and cause consequences if you don't get what you want.
>>5708734
>I can live as a man, and drown myself in drugs and videogames
...for the rest of your life as you try to repress your feelings?
>>5708734
Maybe you can tolerate being a man, but what kind of quality of life is that? I thought I could live through it by distracting myself but eventually wanted to kill myself, tried and failed then decided to transition. Why not take a shot at life being better? From my perspective it couldn't get any worse than wanting to die.
>>5708734
>I'm in the same boat as you. Only issue with me is, I know for a fact transitioning is going to be rough for me, and without surgery I'll certainly not pass.
>It doesn't help that I live with a family that can hardly stand gays/lesbians, nevermind transsexuals.
This is in fact the exact same boat. This boat sucks.
>So my dilemma is this: I can live as a man, and drown myself in drugs and videogames so I don't think too much about it, or I can (try to) live as a woman, and (hopefully) feel more content with my life.
This honestly might now be the best place for us to ask these questions. The people here are either in our shoes or tried to repress it and failed, which brought them back to this point. There might be tons of people who have succeeded in repression and we just don't know because they've kept it to themselves.
>>5709457
>might now
might not*
So I've been self medding for only a few weeks, months prior I changed my diet to include more soy, veggies, and less red meat.
Right off the bat, felt less stress, i think just because I was taking the pills and got over that hurdle.
So like I said only a few weeks in on hormones and I noticed my chest had some soft fattyish tissue building up. almost like breasts were starting to grow. I also had my body and facial hair get alot softer and sexdrive drop noticably. I think its all in my head like a placebo affect. but if not DAMN this is good right?
I was kinda freaking out for a bit. happy and scared. So did or does that happen to anyone else? And does anyone know why?
>>5710303
Freaking out slightly you mean? Or the effects of hormones? In either case it's normal.
Transitioning is an important and emotional event/process. You're probably going to feel emotional about it.
>>5710326
Not freaking out in a bad way, I mean it was kind of a shock. its what I want but, I kind of panicked because I havent come out to my family yet and I was expecting not much change until several months had gone by. I wasnt gonna come out til then maybe.
Emotionally, the last few weeks since I started hormones I've been calmer than a Hindu Cow. For now. I fully expect to be taken on a rollercoaster of emotions at some point.
I do like these results, I was just confused I would see any this early. but this is normal? So will I have an eccelerated effect from hormones? Or is it just and initial burst, or something like that?
>>5710392
Rate of results varies, but development this fast isn't unusual. The hormones are doing exactly what they're supposed to do so you shouldn't be worrying.
The changes you've mentioned so far should slow down or finish (breasts take a long time to grow fully but from what people have reported here often start like yours after only a short time on hormones; hair and sex drive can only change so much and therefore aren't going to continue changing at the rate they are for long).
>>5696858
I have a question about this for those of you who've undergone HRT for a long time.
As far as breast and butt/hip growth go, like how quickly does this all occur and do you find that you can get realistic results after a period of time? I mean, how quickly do you gain a cup size and does anybody on HRT get big tits or are they always B cup, fairly small but nice. Can you change this by upping a dose age? Did anybody chart the changes as they went and would be willing to put together a little time line?
I don't know why I even bother with this shit. Not only will I never get to ACTUALLY be my preferred gender, but I never even got to grow up and experience some important shit as it either. I can see it all with just the people I hang around, the people I talk to, the people I work with. I feel like I'm a joke, some caricature of a person I long to be.
Death feels like the only option most of the time. I can't even love myself or care about myself enough to be a good s/o to my boyfriend and he deserves a lot more than someone with such low self-esteem and self hatred.
How do you guys cope with this shit?
>>5710426
Thats Great News! Huge relief! :)
I plan to get lazer done on all the body and facial hair anyway.
But at this rate for my breasts, I'm guessing they will be pretty noticeable by summer, So should I get a bikini top? lol
And If thats the case I will have to do something about coming out...... sooner...:(
How long is enough time between laser (not IPL) treatments for mtf? Is is shorter than for cis women getting laser? The clinic I'm about to start at says I have to wait 6 weeks between treatments, but they've never ever had a trans customer before so idk??? How long was it for you?
>>5710435
>does anybody on HRT get big tits or are they always B cup, fairly small but nice.
You can expect to range from AA mosquito bites forever to a respectable C cup. Depends a lot on genetics and how early you start.
It's also worth nothing that starting after puberty doesn't always give you female breast form, sometimes just large male breasts with buds or 'bitch tits'.
>Can you change this by upping a dose age?
Only if your dosage is too low. If you are doing the correct dosage raising it is not recommended for any reason. There is definitely such a thing as too much estrogen and it will not make you a pretty princess.
>>5710450
You will never be what you want to be, not really. It's true. If you can pass and get treated as you would like to in almost every aspect of your life that is great, and what most of us strive for.
Having the wrong childhood experiences is a source of great discomfort for a lot of transgender people, and it's something transition cannot help. It's even more impossible than functioning reproductive organs, since you cannot realistically expect to be young again in your lifetime; even if fully functional synthetic genitals and artificial gametes become a reality, which is itself unlikely.
Death is never a solution. Death is failure. There may not be a solution to this specific problem in your life, but to die would be to forfeit all other prospects of success as well.
I cannot tell you how to cope, because frankly, I can't either.
>>5710499
>worth nothing
Worth noting, apparently my pessimism is seeping into my writing where it shouldn't.
So, if you transition MtF, what do you do about your genitals? Having a penis still will limit the dating pool hugely and fuck up some choices in clothes.
Are the vagina surgery passing or worth it?
>>5710508
Actually that's another question. Change in penis size. How much can you expect? I've never really considered HRT but for me, my biggest concern would be retaining a large penis that I couldn't hide. I've got a pretty big cock and honestly I'd struggle hiding it.
>>5710539
>So breast size has more to do with genetics than the HRT doseage or diet?
Diet is important in that you will need some fat to fuel your developing breasts and booty. Don't try and lose weight, but you don't necessarily want to try and gain weight either. Just maintain and exercise to burn off masculine fat placement (mostly stomach) and build feminine fat placement (chest, hips, butt).
>Is there a large percentage of those on HRT that get breast/butt implants?
I don't know the numbers on that, but I'd assume they're fairly high, considering cosmetic surgery is definitely already on the table.
>>5710560
>Change in penis size. How much can you expect?
Don't expect any, honestly. That's really just luck of the draw. Atrophy seems to cause more loss in size, but that's broscience and theory. Either way, if you don't 'use' it random erections will almost surely stop.
>>5710537
If thats what you want. just make sure you get an awesome surgeon.
Are you asking for personal opinions? or general concensous?
>>5710614
Both if you have em. I want to know what the thoughts are on the surgery and it's results.
>>5710594
Well I think my ass is gonna look just fine, I had some gf's say I have a girls butt. how can I build feminine fat placement? mostly for my hips and chest
So as long as I masturbate with my penis It shouldn't shrink?
>>5710620
Not that anon, but personally I don't think they're great, or even good. It's quite expensive for something that might resemble a vagina if you're lucky. It's a good idea if you want to get rid of your penis at all cost, but the result... could be a lot better. Some of them seem to turn out alright though. I wouldn't call many of them 'passing' though. Whatever you do, DO NOT get a $2000 Thai job.
>>5710634
>how can I build feminine fat placement?
Estrogen takes care of that for you. Just don't starve yourself and everything will turn out alright fat distribution wise.
>So as long as I masturbate with my penis It shouldn't shrink?
Ehhh, no. Masturbating should ensure it remains functional as in able to get erect when aroused. Whether or not it shrinks is genetic lottery. Atrophy of the muscles involved is what masturbation should prevent. From what I've seen, shrinking is more common with atrophy, but that's broscience and observation.
>>5710620
Me personally not really interested in getting it done, I'd rather keep a functional penis than a fake vagina. but thats just me. But I'm also not a big fan of surgery, I probly wont even get implants.
It varies person to person.
a while ago,before I started my transition. I met a post op girl, we hooked up. I honestly didn't realize until I got up close. It felt like anyother vagina, just tighter. Some girls want it done and I support that. Do what makes you happy.
>>5710450
It's me >>5710499 again. After some reflection I have to amend my statement
>I cannot tell you how to cope, because frankly, I can't either.
Being a faux woman or, if you like, a woman trapped in a feminine male body, is much better than being a sham of a man, or, again if you like, a woman trapped in a masculine male body. Personally I think the 'x trapped in y body' meme is silly but some prefer to think in those terms.
>>5710662
>>5710769
> Don't get a Thai job.
Curious about this. A friend of mine is planning on going to Thailand to get the surgery done, because, according to her, "They have the best surgeons in the world for it." Is this not true? Where would you recommend going? Do you have resources (articles, first-hand accounts, etc.) explaining what the problems are?
Quick question, how long did it take to see fat redistribution to the waist and hip area, from experience. Wondering an average time frame where that part of my body will round out more.
>>5710911
for me it began to be noticeable about 3 and a half months 4 months
>>5710907
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=thailand+surgery
In case you don't feel like a cursory Google search and some research of your own, the Big Black Cock news emporium has you covered. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31433890
Real talk; Thai surgeons aren't the greatest at anything. Not even organ theft, since Mexico has them beat there. The good reviews for Thai surgeons are often faked by the surgeons, and backed up by photographs of Thai 'ladyboy' MtFs that have been on hormones, in full seriousness - literally - since they were 10. These unscrupulous tactics should be seen through easily but the thought of cheap cosmetic surgery without sacrificing quality is appealing to a lot of people, and wishful thinking makes people do foolish things.
The only good overseas (from the US) MtF surgery is Korean FFS, which is only good if you are a bit Asian already, otherwise you look sort of messed up. Almost uncanny valley territory. They do amazing work on Asian MtFs though. Idol quality work.
how do i fucking get my voice right? i spend so much time each night recording myself and listening to it, trying to get it right. it's not horrible, but it's not great either and i always get clocked for it. i've read every guide and watched every video and i still can't fucking get it right.
this is the only thing left i need to fix.
what do i do? there are times where i just breakdown and cry over it.
>>5711326
How long have you been at it?
More than 8 months and you might actually need a speech therapist.
Less than 8 months... practice practice practice. It's not easy.
>>5711326
We might be able to point out specifically what you need to improve if you post a recording. Use clyp.it
>>5711336
a month or so now. at least every other night i'm listening to myself for a long time. when i talk i'm always inside my own head thinking about how i sound.
if i am talking to someone on a shitty phone connection, or like through a drive through speaker system or something like that then i almost always get maam'd but if i talk irl or in a game or wherever people can /actually/ hear my voice, i always get immediately clocked. its frustrating.
>>5711347
https://clyp.it/axcpxd5c
>>5711391
>https://clyp.it/axcpxd5c
>Wherever people can /actually/ hear my voice, I always get immediately clocked.
HOW.
>>5711391
I'm not only surprised by how natural your voice is but also by how well you were able to read my terribly formatted post.
damn
>>5711414
>>5711439
i don't know, when i go grocery shopping, i intentionally dress ambiguously and hide my face and stuff to see what people call me when i talk. most of the time people say something general neutral but more often than not i get sir'd. i was also playing video games earlier today and said literally one thing and got clocked and tranny accused for like an hour. was not a fun experience.
my normal voice has always sounded like this: https://clyp.it/csxihdlf
>>5711464
Reading text aloud for verbatim is easier than casually having a conversation because it's constant, flowing, and unrehearsed.
>>5711391
>a month or so
>this good
I want to be happy for you but all I feel is
R A E G
A
E
G
Good for you though.
>>5711739
Still good but a bit worse than before.
No way in hell it'd be enough to clock you though.
>>5711780
yeah but whats like wrong about it and how do i fix that? this bothers me so much because its not like i can watch/listen to it again and be like "oh that's easy, i messed up here"
ugh
>>5712026
>yeah but whats like wrong about it and how do i fix that?
I'm no expert myself, but I want to say it's too nasally. Take that with a grain of salt, since I don't really know what I'm talking about.
>>5712026
from what I've noticed, the higher a girl's voice is, the more sing-songy she sounds. You seem to be going for a higher register, so try to be less monotone
>>5712059
there's another thing that girls have that really separates it... can't quite put my finger on it though
>>5712093
;~;
>>5712117
ewww, just listened again; I feel like I have a long way to go :(
