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NSFW images of SRS:
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Chett and McGinn: http://imgur.com/a/6q7ao
Brassard: http://imgur.com/a/ihDCg
Misc SRS: http://imgur.com/a/6ueJD
Unknown SRS: http://imgur.com/a/f0jRN
Bowers: http://imgur.com/a/40Rri
Gay
>>5620287
Fuck you I'm going to go listen to Black Parade now. :(
Didn't the My Chem singer(Gerard) admit to having gender issues of his own?
>>5620365
more like he sucked cocks.
>>5620365
Yeah he did. I don't think he's trans though, just minor gender issues. A bit like the lead singer of placebo.
How do you deal with feeling detached? Everything feels really pointless right now. I keep trying to find things to do for fun, but everything seems really uninteresting.
>>5620287
get srs or gtfo edition!
>tfw sore throat, hot head, sniffly, coughy, hard to breathey
>>5622071
On the bright side, about half of us aren't. Sex with a dog, or any animal really, just seems to gross for me. I mean that physically, but also in terms of how much of a creep I would feel like for engaging in sex with something so vastly different in terms of mental capacity, etc.
(A dog girl would be okay as long as they are just a regular girl with dog ears and a tail. Anything more is too furry for my tastes, but I wouldn't have any moral objections.)
>>5620328
same
>>5621109
find friends honestly
helps me thats how i was from freshman year in hs
>>5620328
Fuck, well it's been a while since I last listened to Black Parade.
>>5622097
yes dog girl is good
Well i just started electro and im red and swollen as hell how long does this usually last?
School resumes in a few more days for me, how can I deal with dysphoria and school at the same time?
>>5622105
go crazy like me tbqh
>>5622109
What do you mean by go crazy?
>>5622105
Get busy with school work and such, it will distract you a bit during times you'd otherwise get deep into the dysphoria. It seems to be working okay for me this semester, in any case.
>>5622105
Having a good friend that I could always talk too at school for me helped alot
>>5622118
Try not to stress too much about grades
>>5622111
what do you think kuppy? all I need is a title, I was thinking of something along the lines of no mtfg and no gf makes kuppy go something-something..
say no to srs
>>5622131
Why?
>>5622131
Fuck off chaser
>>5622139
no conflict, no diamond
>>5622139
>If you get srs no chaser will want you
I weep at the lost opportunity, truly it hurts.
also
>diamonds
Why don't you splatter my dress with blood while you're at it
>>5622138
it was me, Dio
>you will never be a qt model.
>>5622121
Yeah, why does that matter?
I meet normal (supposedly) straight guys regularly irl, it's not worth it meeting some chaser from the internet...
like seriously, if you've seen my pic you can tell I have no problem with girls nor guys...
>>5622152
>thinking I'm a chaser
get your head out of your ass hon I wanted to hang out not fuck your degenerate boypussy
facts: chasers can only chase the visibly trans
>>5622154
What if they find out someone is trans via other methods?
do you think there is anything after death
it's a nice thought even though its impossible
I will know tomorrow if there is or it won't matter if there isn't
mtfg is shit
>>5622097
that's a lot of thought you're putting into something that never required explaining
>>5622154
>tfw I am an ugly tranny so I only ever get to be associated with chasers
That's why I'm going for the gay boy route instead.
>>5622154
>visibly trans
99%
Didn't see the new thread. Goddam it.
>>5621114
I need testosterone because of a medical condition, but have no working insurance and can't get prescriptions as a result. Buying insurance is cost prohibitive and won't do much good because of the crazy copays. I won't die without it, but I do get seriously fatigued after a few weeks without an injection. I was wondering if it is safe or advisable to buy it online? And if so, do you guys have any experience with any specific sites? Thanks in advance and I love you /lgbt/.
>>5622158
they chase harder.
>be playing game with group of 6 on skype, everyone else is friends, i am only friends with one
>everyone just thinks of me as male because of my voice
>they all treat me like shit
>one finds out i'm trans
>suddenly starts creeping on me
>stalks me for two years
i don't know what drives ppl to 180 their views on you bc you take estrogen lmao
>>5622159
things worse than living. i wouldn't recommend it.
>>5622160
t y!
>>5622172
>not wanting to fuck a tranny is projection
such is the will of the transbian collective on mtfg
>>5622166
yeeppo got that right
>>5622159
There's nothing after death, this is it, do or die, this is all you're gonna get. What difference does it make to hang on a little bit longer? Why not do whatever you've wanted to do before you take the final exist, no matter how crazy?
please post pics of cis women with wide upper torsos so I don't want to kill myself please
>>5622172
because the pictures online are far too telling
>>5622153
Haha.
Wow, I never said anything about sex...
Why would anyone want to hang out with some that rights like a privileged little man baby?
Hahaha
>Seriously though I hope you're baiting and aren't really this much of a butt hurt chaser.
>.<
>>5622095
yeah I hit the bong a little too hard last night too
>>5622178
they don't exist sry m9, just being supportive here
>>5622177
>Why not do whatever you've wanted to do before you take the final exist
This shitty recycled speech is getting really old. People die because they have issues and they can't be who they want to be. You're practically telling them to magically wish away all their problems. So pretty much fuck off and die cancerous trip.
>>5622178
Just look up Amelie Mauresmo.
>>5622170
iktf
>present "male" at uni
>one guy asks if im trans
>tell him yeh cuz why not its 2015
>turns out hes a chaster
>>5622178
just be yourself
who /never getting a bf/ here?
>>5622191
me
>>5622188
>chaster
>>5622191
;_;
>>5622191
Me
What reason would a guy have to date a tranny over a normal girl?
>>5622188
w e l p.
real talk the rabbit hole goes deeper, he started dating another trans that took my legal name because she was jealous of how much he desired me. it was a freak relationship. i just had to sit back and witness it all unfold like "???" i actually met him because he was best friends with my ex, it was awkward watching a manifestation of creepiness and jealousy stand in front of me and try to act human.
>>5622191
I'll mail the next one freight to you
>>5622191
I'd never get one, that's for sure. Males are gross. Ok, maybe a non-op FtM but that's a huge stretch.
>>5622194
ricky please we need to hold each other and cry i feel
>>5622188
>>5622196
>tfw no chaster bf
>>5622199
umm. personality for starters
>>5622205
>mtfg trips
>personality
>>5622196
Opps, he definitely wasn't that
>>5622200
Jeeze thats pretty damn creepy
>>5622203
>maybe a non-op ftm.
Yes, that's just what an FTM needs, dating someone that dates him because he's "not quite a man :^)))))))"
>>5622207
rofl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqLHn14xung
song break
don't be so sad, all
>>5622205
He has none, unless you can consider "WAAH DYSPHORIA" as "personality".
>>5622209
good shit
do ftm's have chasers too
>>5622199
benis
benis
benis
>>5622204
I could use that ;~;
Anyway off to bed! Here's to hoping I die in my sleep :)
>>5622205
I have a pretty shit one at that
>>5622208
i'm glad to be away from all of it.
>tfw random friend request on steam from a guy from singapore
wat.
>>5622213
>not knowing about bonus hole boys
>>5622213
I don't know, I'm MtF, I can just empathize with people who I'm not.
>>5622215
night rickers
don't die in ur sleep alright
>>5622221
>tfw ur not a bonus hole boy
>>5622220
>I had a polish mtf add me for no reason
>mfw
>>5622186
top kek, the implication of I or anyone here not suffering from debilitating depression and suicidal desires and doesn't deal with it every. single. day. is nothing more than something that I can chuckle over.
No, you fabulous fucktard, I'm not telling her to "just get over it", I'm suggesting her to do something with her one and only chance at experiencing existence instead of just mindlessly tossing it away while half-heartedly wish that something better like an afterlife would be there after they fucking end their existence. If they want to do it, fucking do it, but what have they got to lose? Fucking hell.
I want to jerk a transsexual's penis while pounding the boy pussy to help him cum.
>>5622224
i bet you're just salty they're passable and you're an old man
>>5622215
please be safe ricky
im out mtfg
another day maybe
>>5622221
like lalalily?
>>5622228
Not with that way of speaking.
>>5622233
gnnnnnnnnnn frogggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
please be safe qt
>>5622229
>they're passable
wouldn't know, never accepted their request
>you're an old man
I didn't know 25 was old, I bet you think I am actually pic related, truth is I look far worse but I'm not old
>>5622222
nice get ;~;
>>5622240
You're not 25, you look like youre 40 something
>>5622240
you dont look worse than that pic, you do this meme way too much. like LOOK AT THAT CHIN DAWG.
"25" years old
HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>5622228
but wouldn't you rather makes a natural grill queeff with that extra hand? im so oppressed
>>5622237
Let me suck your cum out of the penis please. I will drool it out a little bit then slurp it back up. Open my mouth to show it on my tongue and swallow it. Kiss your cheek, caress your hair, call you beautiful and tell you how it tasted.
>>5622248
>implying trannies can even cum
>>5622247
I'm so bored of cis girls right now. 2016 will be a cis girl free year.
>>5622244
pls
>>5622246
>that person looks better than I do
>still believing it's me
>>5622250
lol good
>>5622248
Will you jerk the gt with your rolls of fat and lubricate with your greasy sweat?
>>5622249
Pre/clear cum is fine.
>>5622252
>that person looks better than I do
Because you aren't on HRT yet
>>5622254
What? I'm in shape. I work out obsessively and count my calories. Why would you assume I was out of shape from what I typed?
>>5622255
I don't even get that anymore
>>5622256
I don't really have a beard for them to be dangle and jingle around, just a closely trimmed shadow coat.
>>5622257
Whew, 25 and no HRT?
enjoy the hon life forever lizbell
>lizbill is more like it
>>5622259
Can you at least squirt then?
>>5622258
>I'm in shape
Sure, chaser
>>5622242
Thanks, was afraid no one would congratulate me.
>>5622266
I'm not lying though.
My weekly workout routine:
Monday - Full body kettlebells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXw9hB0Zpo
Tuesday - Insanity: Max Interval Plyo
Wednesday - Full body kettlebell v.2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wla9HNwbzA
Thursday - Insanity: Max Interval Circuit
Friday - 300 Abs
http://www.youmefit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/300_abs.png
Saturday - Muay Thai class or 20K run, depending on the weather and how I feel.
Sunday - Rest
6'2
200ish lbs
>>5622267
you are still here? holy fuck just kill yourself you ugly hon cunt no one here wants to hear what you have to say honny jump off a bridge
>>5622273
I'm 6'4" and 180 and I'm pretty hefty
at 200 you have to be a whale dudebro
>>5622274
Why the fuck are you all so mean to each other?
>>5622267
hrt would have done a lot for you
>>5622275
>muscle weighs more than fat
>NAH D00D UR JUST A LANDWHALE
>>5622275
beggars can't be choosers
>>5622280
>would have
yeah 9 years ago
>>5622273
post pic
done
>>5622275
I'm a mesomorph and fluctuate ~5 to10lbs depending on the season. You're 6'4? Nice. Do you wear heels?
What do you study / do for a living?
I have no idea what go for. I need to apply for schools in a month or so and I'm not really sure what I want.
I mean, I'd like to get into sewing and making clothes and there are few places where I can apply but I'm not so sure would that provide money my all the transrelated expenses. I'd be interested in computet related jobs but I'm so lazy to do any hard math/physics, I'd much rather just do the thing. I'm okay at math tho.
Also I'm way too lazy to properly "study" books so I don't want go study medicine or anything too theoretic. I'd just much rather learn a trade by doing and get a simple job.
Maybe I should just be a waitress?
>>5622172
this anon gets it :D
thanks smart anon.
>>5622274
are you the butthurt chaser from before?
>>5622286
I will post pic, cam on skype, or whatever. Are you cute?
>>5622293
no, I'm a landwhale, lol
>>5622284
what are you going to do about the hairline then?
>>5622294
I think you should take better care of yourself anon. :\
>>5622289
i wear heels never
i'm already a giant
>>5622290
>>I mean, I'd like to get into sewing and making clothes and there are few places where I can apply but I'm not so sure would that provide money my all the transrelated expenses
you could try tailoring/alterations independently
also i think Uniqlo plays well
assuming you already know how to sew and such
trades are also worth your time
>>5622297
Okay do you walk around with a nerd slouch trying to minimize your stature?
>>5622297
Tailoring and alterations would be nice to do, it feels good to fix something.
Too bad no Uniqlo in Finland ;-; only ever been to one in Japan.
Is there a skype group?
>>5622296
actually I do
I had another chaser, an mtf, that was very forward, but I don't want anyone who wants me for my body
>>5622298
yes lol, hunch over too it'll hide the manly shoulders. always wear clothes one size smaller if its for women, it makes a better silhouette
>>5622295
>still thinking those pictures are actually me
>>5622302
chasers looking only for the obvious trans : confirmed
>>5622299
I've dated a girl who was 6'3, but she was way too insecure about her height. She only wore flats. I think it's kind of hot when the whole package flows and lots of guys do dig tall girls, but I'm confident with my height and being a little bit shorter is not a problem.
>>5622305
>pretending they aren't
>>5622307
how tall are you?
>>5622307
"when the whole package flows"
what does this even mean
>>5622308
It'd be better if they were to be honest
>>5622307
>tfw he tells you you're shorter than his cis female ex
>>5622302
I understand what you're trying to tell me here, is that you're not currently happy with the way things are and you don't want someone to come along and fetishize it wrongfully and offensively. I was thinking more along the line of liking a trans person for who they are, regardless of which stage of transition they are in. It's not like a body part is a total deal breaker anyhow.
>>5622303
That sounds cute, in an awkward nerd girl sort of way.
>>5622303
>slouching
>as a woman
Cis tall girls do this shit too and it's incredibly stupid, but moreso when posture also helps with passing.
>>5622312
it'd take a magnitude of effort and bad genes to be worse off
>>5622309
Legit 6'2.
>>5622310
I meant if someone can pull it off. It's not so straightforward to explain in details, but easy to tell with a visual cue.
>>5622313
Height doesn't really matter. There's charm in both short and tall girls. It's a matter of how you project yourself with confidence. I know some manlets who don't care they're 5'9-5'10 and still pull cute girls.
>>5622317
don't say that, tight clothes, red lipstick and little ponytails too. you have to let them know there's a real guurl in the room
>>5622319
>manlet
>5'10
You're a sentient /fit/ meme
>>5622319
bro
>>5622325
I do visit that board from time to time. I'm not a mindless replication of their memes though. I just think the average height chart for men and women needs to be updated. At least in Melbourne, 6' is considered the cut off for being average.
>>5622327
What's good my man?
>>5622328
your spectrum is showing
I was hoping someone of you looked like this.
>>5622344
Albinism is actually very rare tbdesu
>>5622344
Me too t b h
>>5622346
He doesn't have enough visual markers for albinism. I like the paleness.
>>5622344
what aspect am i looking at here?
>>5622352
>he
Let me guess, you're medically unable to not sound like an asshole?
>>5622344
Nope, no cute white boys with nice hair here...
>tfw ur body is unpassable garbage and no straight man will ever love you or even desire you for more than a novelty fuck
>>5622344
i do
>>5622354
Just attractiveness with enough femininity.
ayy lmao driving test today i'm completely unprepared for it already writing it off as a fail but...
bleh
wish me luck
>>5622362
that chin tho.
>>5622361
>tfw your self-perception is fucked by dysphoria
>>5622367
tfw tfw
tfw reposting other peoples posts as your own
i'm 6/10 famn, that mean i can pass the class depending upon the gtrade curve, whixh is to say im usuallu an uggo, but SOMETIMES i look average
>>5622375
She came out as trans a lil bit ago
sooo pretty my fav desu
>>5622375
well
okay
since you seem like i can trust you anon
i'll give you the god's honest truth
I'm drop dead gorgous
litterally a 11/10
but i hide behind faux insecurities to get people to like me more
k e k
thats bullshit
im uggo bruv not turbo uggo
just uggo
like regular uggo
like a regular person
>>5622375
it's not really 'minor' though. i like the eyes and lips, rest is pretty whatever.
>>5622379
>I'm drop dead gorgous
>litterally a 11/10
it tru merc...
>>5622385
>it tru merc...
this is a lie
people perpetuating lies are sinners
sinners are people who sin
the wages for sin are death [ Romans 6:23 ]
how would you like me to kill you little one
i'm doing this for yoursake
not myown
>>5622375
Oh yeah. She was doing that because being the fashion equivalent of a castrati paid the bills. There's a renewed fad for androgynous male models and she fit the bill, so long as she was just on AAs.
>>5622392
i've been drinking and i'm posting here to keep myself awake so i dont piss myself whil sleeping after drinking
i'm perfectly sane, logical and sensible; you're probably a bit insane and you're just projecting that insanity on me
>>5622390
Very interesting. A nigga's gotta eat I guess.
>>5622388
>how would you like me to kill you little one
I'd really love that actually
>>5622392
>I think that's a bad picture though.
Aww I think it's cute, there's very little pics of her smiling I've seen and even less that seem genuine so that's like my fav ;p
>>5622399
>I'd really love that actually
hah
i want someone to kill me too
;---;
rip to us not rip'ing
>>5622394
This is true. I probably was projecting a bit. But don't pretend like you are completely sane either.
>>5622401
r i p
good shit
>>5622402
>>5622402
okay
but at least admit that I'm extremely good at feigning or faking sanity
>tfw if you dont take your medicine we're going to forcibly take you to the hospitial
o-okay Dr. Romero
I'll do it ;--;
>>5622404
just buy a gun when you turn 18
you can do it bruoh
>>5622328
how about you fucking kill yourself instead cunt
>>5622406
buy me one u shit
or neck myself t b h
>>5622406
A good indicator of someone's sanity is their preference in music. Show me something you've been listening to.
>>5622378
literally if you take all of her male features
and turn them up to ten
you get me
ffs when
i need a professional skull shaver to shave down my caveman head
>>5622410
Me too desu
I just want her hair most of all, though.
>>5622344
>ywn have started AAs at 13
just fuck my shit up senpai, pic fucking related
>>5622407
wow
why did you call them a cunt? that isn't nice
>>5622408
oh i can't buy guns kiddo
kek
if i could buy a gun me and my mommy would have been long gone, lol
>>5622409
right now i'm listening to Rihanna's new album; Anti
i was listening to some songs i wrote alot lately
other than that, Panic! at the Disco's first album and MIKA
nothing especially crazy
although i have been listening to the same 12 songs or so for the past 8 months but idk if thats strange
>>5622412
your hair is nice
curly is better
just take more care of it
once it longer its easier imo
http://exhentai.org/s/f90a6cb912/898843-3
And this is how life would be if you were cis.
>>5622417
you lost interest over what part?
i like pop music
i also like hiphop
i also like rock
i also like classical music
i also like that bullshit john cage calls music
i also like rock
i also like r&b
i also like country
i also like some metal sometimes
reggae is kool too
>>5622417
you're kind of stupid desu
not even like 'bad' stupid, just legitimately unintelligent
>>5622421
only black metal right
>>5622423
idk i enjoy the guitar interplay sometimes, it's like counterpoint, so thats why i like it
i dont like distortion so much
i wonder if sheen got the job or passed away
>>5622414
I'll call him whatever I fucking want if you want a hugbox go back to transpassing
>>5622427
she didn't.
>>5622428
idk
i like all sorts of stuff
my tastes are probably broader and more eclectic that yours, but idk what anon i'm talking to
i used to maintain this
http://www.last.fm/user/sailorssmercury
just so people could see what i liked
>>5622429
did you notice how i commented on calling them a cunt, but not you telling them to kill themselvees?
you're a fucking retard man, why dont you pour yourself a big glass of bleach and chug it?
>>5622435
both.
>>5622435
oh ok
just make sure u use lots of heat protectant and deep condition often so you dont fry ur hair
>>5622434
>did you notice how i commented on calling them a cunt
>"I'll call him whatever I fucking want"
and you call me a retard you illiterate faggot
>>5622434
I'm certain you have shit taste now.
>>5622439
i noticed that too.
>filename
probably better suited for you for giving a shit.
>>5622436
maybe she gets a job in the afterlife
>>5622438
>i make a joke by commenting on the lesser insult to an anon
>retard-anon gets mad
okay
>>5622439
i like that song's chord progression
also i think i had put it on reply while i was crying or something, idr
i stopped using spotify as my main music player a year ago, anything since then is something i dont actually own or haven't paid for
also, i want to be loved by and have sex and be impregnated by Harry Styles
so yeah
>>5622442
Lol, why wouldn't I care? I asked.
>>5622447
looping a song you like isn't even autistic.
>>5622444
nice dubs
are you really going bald kiddo or is this a meme?
i'm growing a fullbeard right now, i went on a date today but the girl left cause she said i looked too girly and she only liked real men, so i''m going to shave my head tomorrow
>>5622442
kek
>talking to me about my music tastes
>has autism for titling the file
i mean
its funny but yeah
http://strawpoll.me/6606512/r
>only 55% of posters in this general are certain they're not just transitioning for aesthetic reasons
I want tumblr to leave
so i called my gender clinic about my first apoitment. it got pushed back by 4 months, life is suffering
What do y'all pay for your meds? I'm in Alberta, and I pay 139 Canadian (98 USD) for around a 90-day supply of E and Spiro, before insurance.
>>5622452
>http://strawpoll.me/6606512/r
>Still linking this
>>5622453
I'd love to have it I'm excited.
>>5622456
Free
>>5622451
nah it's a meme
((sick meme btw))
>>5622450
Maybe, maybe not. Repetition and obsession may be revealing it in some cases from what I understand.
>>5622456
£8 every like 3 months or so for 125mcg estrogen patches. I'm not on an anti-androgen because post-op but when I was it was £16 since they put them down as two separate prescriptions (each prescription is a fixed fee of £8).
>>5622450
yeah, i doubt it shows up in spotify, but there are a few songs I'm listened to litterally several hundred times in a row;
>>5622453
i hate myself far too much to really care what other people think of me.
at times i do have the media tastes of a teenager girl and thats been the case for like 12 years so i dont feel embarrassed.
also i'm a musician myself anyway
>>5622456
i pay $10 for E and $10 for spiro, after insurance
>>5622459
kool
i like memes
>>5622460
true
the lyrics on that song are pretty telling.....usually the songs I loop like that end up being more relevant to me than I thought, when i look at them after the fact
>>5622462
You're a musician? Show me something you're proud of.
>>5622459
btw it wasn't a meme
i thought i was going to have sex today but she said "ur dick is too small byebye" and drove me home
shit sucks famn
>>5622463
>want to learn song
>listen to it for hours straight
>put song on repeat while I do other things
>etc
>>5622446
>another obnoxious trip
both of you should kill yourselves
Daily reminder that I wish I was a girl.
>>5622466
just look up tabs or something, fuck dude lol.
>>5622467
i've been tripping on this board since like June of 2013, I've probably been here longer than you, why don't you converrt all of that newfaggotry to ammonia and drown yourself in it
respect your elders you worthless shit
>>5622470
NOT EVERYTHING HAS TABS FAMN
I couldn't play by ear as a teenager, i had to find EACH AND EVERY NOTE
ON ITS OWN
>>5622473
please stop yelling at me, i have sensitive ears. :"(
>>5622469
Yin is best girl
>>5622473
>i've been tripping on this board since like June of 2013
that doesn't make you less of an obnoxious cunt please fuck off
>>5622473
#nopride
The mustard is already off the hot dog.
halp i want to talk to a boy but im nervous and hes way too cute for me so im not even going to try ok
>>5622481
Talk to and have sex with him
>>5622479
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>>5622361
Iktf ;_;
>>5622479
My singing is pretty awful...
Https://clyp.it/aojms4g4
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>>5622491
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>>5622490
hmm, you're off pitch, but thats actually not terrible; with better breathing technique you'd sound pretty good actually
your breaths are shallow and i think you might also be hunching over or have posture
but yeah your singing is not bad, you sound like a girl
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j-jelly
>>5622491
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>>5622491
awoo's pls
>>5622497
I'm free all day bb
