> he's a ftm
> thinks he has comparable struggles to a mtf
mfw
fuck all these hoes
> bisexuality is basically normal with women
> can basicially just lop her tits off and pass
> mostly neutral features
This shit angers me
Gender dysphoria sucks for everyone.
>>5610580
jk everybody loves effeminate men anyways in today's society. LOOK AT FUCKING K-POP
literally just lop off the tits. stop shaving a little develop a worry line and ride of into the sunset
>>5610584
Passing doesn't cure gender dysphoria. The public judgement might be lesser but the self-hatred isn't.
>Penis made of arm skin
I'm not trans but I'd rather be a trap than an overblown dyke
>>5611649
I saw some ftm video on xvideos where the guy had one of those and it didn't look too bad I guess. I imagine a bad one can look pretty horrific but if I was into a qtboi I wouldn't mind if he had a big ol flaccid dong
>ftm struggles are invalid to me
jesus christ op when will this meme die
I'm not trans but I would imagine ftm guys have a harder time just because they're don't have nearly as representation and masculinity isn't celebrated or put on a pedestal the way femininity is.
>>5611664
Do they even feel anything though?
I don't exactly get off by rubbing my arm
>>5610559
Same here.
>>5610537
Haha enjoy your oppression olympics ladies
i'll be enjoying my stealth passing abilities, straight gf, and lack of societal judgement
>>5612220
>straight gf
does she tell you that before or after eating your pussy?
>>5612125
I'm pretty sure it's functional it just doesn't get hard
>>5612263
P sure it does, just you have to pump it
>>5612269
I wonder how long it stays hard and how hard it gets.
There really needs to be more amateur ftm porn.
>>5612279
In the same way that the only reason people watch shemale porn because of the cock, the only reason anyone would watch cuntboy porn is because of the cunt. But yeah, there needs to be more ftm porn. Buck angel is my dirty little secret.
>>5612297
See I'm not really into really masculine guys, but I do like guys. I know there's a lot of ftm twinks out there but so few of them record anything.
>>5612260
triggered? it's too bad straight men have such a rigid sexuality. i feel so bad for you
Is it weird I have sympathy for ftms but generally dislike mtfs?
>>5612352
Not at all, it's probably more common than you might think.
>>5612220
I want to be your girlfriend. ;_;
Dumb frogposter
>>5610537
>hon has no idea about FtM transition
>"b-b-but beard"
go back to susans pls
>>5612352
mtf and I feel the same way desu
mtfs are genuinely ugly people inside and out
>>5612352
That's probably because 4chan's mtfs are pretty annoying
>>5611744
>masculinity isn't celebrated
>stupid tranny
>posts redditfrog
I'm mtf but I think ftms have it just as hard. Breast surgery is pretty much required, and their genital surgeries are more difficult/riskier. Plus they get to listen to people go on about how they're crazy for wanting to be a guy when they were a pretty girl. At least they get voice changes.
Basically being trans sucks no matter what.
>>5615997
>Plus they get to listen to people go on about how they're crazy for wanting to be a guy when they were a pretty girl.
>Implying it isn't crazy to want to be a guy if you're already a pretty girl
I'm not going to try to stop a billionaire if he wants to throw all his money away and become homeless, but I'm also not going to be super-confident in that billionaire's sanity. Being male is literally worthless in modern, technological society.
>>5615997
Yeah I feel like it's give and take. Obviously they pass no matter what, get the voice changes and all that good stuff, but not all of them turn out attractive, some look like 16 year old boys the rest of their life. Not to mention FtM srs is basically a joke.
Sure I used to be a bitter MtF about how much better transition LOOKS for FtMs, but they have a whole list of struggles that you can't discern just from a passgen post.
>>5615797
Definitely.
Official /lgbt/ obnoxiousness power ranking:
Cis gays >>>>>>>> anyone who posts in /mtfg/ > /tlg/ transbians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bisexual men = Bisexual women >>>>>>>>>>> cis Lesbians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FtMs
>>5612260
btfo'd
>>5611664
>>5612125
>>5612263
>>5612269
>>5612279
if you use your forearm or thigh for the donor site most people regain erotic sensation thanks to nerve hookup microsurgery (it takes ~1yr for sensation to return tho)
the vast majority of people (in the >90%, i've read studies with numbers as high as 100%) retain the ability to orgasm
erection is achieved through a variety of erectile devices, the most popular are semi-rigid rods (they're basically hard silicone rods that are bendy at the base, so you're "hard" all the time and when you're not having sex you bend your dick down) or inflatables (the same things they use to treat erectile dysfunction in cis guys, basically you use a pump to inflate your dick with saline, you stay hard as long as you keep it inflated)
tldr: despite frankendick, satisfaction rates for FtM surgery are much higher than satisfaction rates for MtF surgery
>>5616141
>all btfoposters are samefags
>>5610537
Speaking on behalf of all cis-shitlordkind, we totally fail to capitalize on how much y'all cockmeasure and hate on each other.
I mean if the anti-tranny conspiracy was real. That would be THE way to go. Ftms and mtfs have more animosity than kurds and turks.
>>5611744
>masculinity isn't celebrated
You what.
>>5616371
no. i'm the OP
shit was high level banter
stay angry
>>5616614
>angry
roll over and give your bf a hug
>>5612220
>Trying to prove OP right
Senpai...
>>5616176
I'm pretty sure the MtF SRS regret rate is 2 or 2.5%, and FtM SRS is 1%. But that's not quite the same as satisfaction.
>>5612352
It's understandable. We MtFs are numerous and whiny. FtMs are sometimes whiny too, but I haven't interacted with enough to say what they're like as a population.
>>5615997
Yeah but FFS is pretty much required, depending on your rib structure you might need implants and even then your body probably won't pass very well.
>>5610537
>he's a mtf
>he thinks he has a comparable struggle to wolfkin
try being born the wrong species
>>5611744
>masculinity isn't celebrated or put on a pedestal the way femininity is.
is that a joke
>>5612352
That's probably because the majority of the hatred and transphobia is targeted towards MtFs. Also subtle sexism and media controlled thought programming makes MtFs more repulsive to the average person. FtMs are seen as less disgusting and threatening because they're percievably less common and there isn't entire groups parroting negative narratives about them and seeking to demonize them as much as possible.
>>5612358
Not him but wanna go out?
>>5615792
I have sympathy for you ladies regardless if you are a shitty person or not. <3
>>5617085
>circle yes or no before the teacher sees
ftms can have comparable struggles with some stuff. the problem is that 90% of the stuff they complain about isnt any of that stuff. its all petty dumb shit that makes the girl personality come through. This stuff mostly happens anyway to the ftms you can tell were raised as women by the way they just act in the general day to day world.
>>5616952
>tries to make tranny check kinprivledge
>didnt check cisprivilege
>>5617122
I'm curious to know what you perceive the "90% of the stuff they complain about" to be. I haven't been around a lot of other FtMs, but the struggles I mostly hear mentioned are about passing (also applies to MtFs), family issues/coming out/being trans in general (also applies to MtFs), and getting access to and/or insurance coverage for HRT and surgery (also applies to MtFs).
inb4 butthurt FtM--not butthurt, just honestly curious.
>>5612260
/thread
>>5615997
/thread
>>5618898
FtM struggles are basically all those things, plus complaints about how shafted (or rather, unshafted) we get with our bottom surgery
I was going to list shit things about being an FTM but thinking about it just served to bum me out so never mind.
>>5619057
I do that but then post anyway because bitching makes me feel good
mtf here.
There are two ftm's in my literature class. One is taller than me (i'm 5'8) and fat as fuck but I could still instantly tell he was trans as soon as I looked at him, even before he began to constantly interrupt class discussions by talking about sjw shit and how much he loves gay erotica.
The other is a fat, bearded manlet who I thought actually passed (as a misshapen ugly manlet dude) until he opened his mouth and started talking. The sound and pitch of his voice was so incongruent with his appearance I could instantly tell he used to be a grill.
I like to think I pass better than either of them but the fact that even they've managed to delude themselves into thinking they pass makes me a bit worried.
>>5610537
Almost 100% of ftm are sub six foot manlets. That's the greatest struggle of all.
>>5612260
>allowing your partner to see your genitals
>>5612260
rrrrrrrrrrrrrektasourasrekttttt
>>5610537
Why all the mtfs ITT so bitter
>>5620255
because they don't pass.
it's why almost all mtfs are bitter. because they look freaky and don't pass.
>>5620255
they are severely mentally ill
also mad no lesbian wants to touch their dicks
>>5620275
nigga i've seen you in 4 threads now
calm down
>>5620255
They don't have pussies for men to dip into
Literally the only thing ftms have to do to pass is be fat and cut their hair, they don't even have to take t, ftm struggles are a joke
>>5620279
no, its just common knowledge.
not him btw.
>>5620279
That was literally my first post today. MtFs don't pass. Everyone knows this.
>>5620255
>Why all the mtfs ITT so bitter
because their lives suck
T B H mtf's complain they never pass and how hard of a time they have bc of it but they take forever coming out and even longer starting hrt where as all the ftms I know like came out, got down to business, and then started hrt asap, and pass pretty well because of it.
I know this mtf who has been out for like 4+ years now and doesn't pass mainly because she hasn't been on hrt yet. Complains all the time about not passing, how she'll never pass etc, still won't start hrt because she's too poor (aka can't stop spending money on dumb crap).
I think the internet gives mtfs a too hard of time, because most mtf's can pass, they might not look beautiful, but they'll pass as female for sure. Some females are really fucking ugly and make hons look pretty good. This whole mtfs never pass meme plays into a feedback loop of depression and depair for mtfs which makes them give up on passing altogether which is crazy and not even true.
>>5621042
MtFs probably take longer to come out because western society in general is much more hostile to MtFs and AMAB gender non-conforming people that FtMs and AFAB GNC people. Case in point:
>girl cuts hair short and wears boy clothes
>"lol dyke" "u need to be more feminine hon" "wow so empowered"
>boy grows hair long, wears makeup and wears girl clothes
>"lol fag" "mentally ill freak" "pervert!" "trans are appropriating womyn's struggles and invading womyn spaces" "hey a tranny, let's beat it up lol"
>>5621233
Yeah mtfs should want to take their hormones and turn into women asap to avoid that then which never happens. All the ones I know drag their feet, take their time, and basically are stuck at the "dangerously unpassing" stage where they are trying to pass but don't and hrt is still not even in sight for them. Then complain how dangerous it is for them to not pass as women, how much society hates them, etc. If that were really true they'd actually make an effort to start hrt and start passing instead of dicking around. Not that some don't but this sure as hell describes all the mtfs I've ever know.
>>5611744
I know a website you may like better
>>5612220
Who's that gril
>>5616952
Dank af senpai
>>5610537
>thinking you've got the authority to define someone's struggle
Fuck off
