OP updated, new links for Informed consent and trans info. new discord link. Pls recommend good beginner makeup tutorials and resources
whoever makes the new thread use this op
▶Informed Consent Providers: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/932389/Trans/Stepping%20Forward%20-%20Informed%20Consent%20Clinics.pdf
▶Trans Info Dump: http://pastebin.com/h1vLPxyV
▶Size charts: http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
▶Transition timelines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
▶Voice Training: http://pastebin.com/dgipdsge
▶HRT info: https://web.archive.rg/web/0000000000000 http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Hormones
▶Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
▶Discord server: https://discord.gg/0jCp5pochww8t2Oe
▶MTFG Radio https://www.dubtack.fm/join/mtfg
▶IRC: https://www.rizon.net/chat #mtfg
old >>5605123
>>5606330
it looks like breasts are important for transwomen.... both boog and you have the a-cup angst
If I'm black am I allowed to say nigger without being banned?
>>5606341
>generic remy shitpost about precum soaked penises
>>5606347
Aight I'm sorry
I just got called "a sissy mother fucker!" By some meth addicted homeless ex-con...
The biggest thing I feared just happened and you girls know what? I'm proud. I'm happy it happened. I am a sissy transgender and I'm proud.
>>5606358
why wouldn't you be allowed to say nigger?
>tfw ugly and square face
>tfw huge nose
>>5606341
>tfw ufufu is gone and not coming back
at least she is like, a million times happier
>>5606365
we gucci senpai
>tfw no boobs
>tfw 9 months HRT and still A cup
>>5606352
Yeah I have it, I'm not even gonna try to deny it. I'm probably going to get a boobjob somewhere further down the years.
I am also starting to have a problem with my ribcage and shoulder size...
>>5606371
I've been banned on here before for saying nigger. Nigger seems to be a bannable word on /lgbt/. I wish nigger wasn't a bannable word but it seems to just be that way and I'm not sure why. Nigger.
>>5606375
She isn't happy, rawr doxxed her
>>5606336
>>5606340
that's been the overwhelming consensus I've received about Sonic 4
>>5606374
me too friend. me too
>pic related, me coming out to family
>>5606379
You don't seem to be banned still.
Are you sure it wasn't because of something else?
>>5606378
>2016
>not corset training
Which trip would you ask to the /MTFG/ ball?
fml, how to be happy post transition? i pass, i look pretty good, have nice bf, good school, getting srs in a couple months. family is accepting, friends either don't know or don't care. Yet here I am posting on mtfg.
How do I leave all of this trans shit behind and just try and lead a normal life? I have friends here and it keeps me coming back. I just can't find happiness.
>>5606330
ilu ricky ;-; please feel better soon
were you one of the trips who answered 'yes' on my strawpoll?
>>5606402
wheres sheen
>>5606352
Corsets help.
>>5606366
This was never resolved when I asked it the other day. Can you be into being a sissy and still be tru-trans? People were leaning on yes but Im still uncertain.
>>5606383
Lol
>>5606402
kayla
>>5606390
Might be possible that the mods are banned, nigger.
>>5606388
Yeah on most boards but nigger seems to be bannable on /lgbt/. I once just wrote nigger and nothing else but nigger on a post and I got banned an hour later. It was really annoying because nigger is just a word and I can't imagine anyone but a nigger being upset about someone saying nigger. It's not a bad word, it's just nigger talk ya mean, nigger?
>>5606412
taking the photo
>>5606402
i would wait for someone to ask me, obv
>>5606412
sheen passed away before we could finish the picture
>put pic in pictriev
JUST
U
S
T
>>5606289
UNIQLO
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I
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>>5606400
My gf doesn't allow me to. She gets really mad when I mention it. She's afraid I'll do damage to my internal organs...
>>5606410
ty pham ilu2
Which strawpoll are you referring to?
>>5606402
bexe
>>5606402
this image is soooo perf
also, kit
>>5606414
You have to be a sissy naturally, without cultural cues. If you can manage alone in the desert for a month and come back acting like Liberacce, you're trutrans.
this fucking general reminds me of highschool.
literally triggered.
lurked here for a solid 13 months
LITERALLY PTSD
the shitty banter. the cliques. the attention whoring. the r9k cringe.
WHAT IS WRONG with you ppl?
WAKEMEUPINSIDE
>>5606402
no sheen no ball
>>5606402
no one
>>5606429
http://strawpoll.me/6606512/r
http://strawpoll.me/6613760/r
looks like it's gone up to 9 now but yeah
>>5606431
Yeah, there are cis women with big shoulders who look gorgeous. Pic related.
It's just that dysphoria usually overrides my common sense most of the time.
>>5606441
which is something I'd probably do. She's right in worrying...
>>5606402
why am i on here, i haven't been relevant in months
like how often do i even post here anymore?
>>5606446
>what do you mean by this
also>>5606449
pic related. madddd or nah?
>>5606455
It was created when you still posted more frequently
>>5606429
that only happens if you're going for unnatural proportions, dita von teese style
if you're just reshaping the ribcage cartilage and aiming for a natural female shape then it should have any major health risks
>>5606455
It takes like 2 months before people realize you actually leave instead of just being anon for a bit
I'm watching a conspiracy documentary about how the earth is flat.
>>5606402
Being excluded hurts
>tfw ur endo moves 6 hours away
>>5606469
>I'm watching a conspiracy documentary about how the earth is flat.
the best kind
>>5606449
>>5606469
which girl would you replace though?
>>5606470
may as well detrans
>>5606454
>It's just that dysphoria usually overrides my common sense most of the time.
Yeah, we all ktf
Hope you get better
>>5606469
>Being excluded hurts
After a while there's less of a sting, idk you get used to it.
>>5606460
>>5606467
oh okay
hopefully people here forget about me soon so i can stop coming back desu
I am the most disgusting hon in the world.
>>5606449
>LITERALLY PTSD
kek
>>5606478
b-but you are here and we would miss you
>>5606453
I voted no ;~;
I'm a tranny, I wish it wasn't so...
>>5606462
I know pham. I'm trying to convince my gf with the same reasoning.
>>5606475
I always love reading cute little supportive posts like this, they cheer me up.
Thanks anon <3
>>5606479
That's me though.
>>5606479
trip on sheen
>>5606474
Goodbye mtfg ;~;
what do all the tripcodes look like?
is this in the OP post? did i miss it?
if not dump when?
>>5606481
clever wrap-around teleportation and holograms
>>5606402
>Not in another /mtfg/ compilation
Brb suicide.
>>5606444
i look vaguely grumpy and Aife is in between my legs? p much perf.
who the heck made it?
>>5606476
>tfw never got into the clique
>>5606470
where to?
also are they going to give you a referral to a new one?
>>5606402
Lain anon, she looks lonely
>>5606482
>>5606494
eh, idk
i think i'll end up leaving soon if things go as planned
gn qt's
>>5606453
>tfw not a trip
>>5606492
>>5606449
>wakemeupinside
Can't wake up!
>>5606507
>tfw would be absolutely disgusting tier
>Tfw high hairline
>Tfw on HRT + dutasteride but paranoid you're still losing hair
It's not fair. I'm only 18, I was too awkward/scared to come out until recently and I didn't know how to get hormones when I was younger, but I feel like I'm already fucked. In two years when all my hairs fallen out and I look like a ridiculous fake woman with male pattern baldness I'm gonna kill myself.
>>5606507
I really like Elanna and Plants glasses in those pictures
i'm just some random shitter from /gaygen/ but i was wondering about a thing
how many of you guys have a tumblr
and if you do have a tumblr, do you partake in The Discourse when it comes to trans issues
because there's some wacky people on tumblr and i was wondering how you guys felt about how they felt about things
>>5606507
Tfw I know I would be bot tier if I posted
>>5606419
Wanna go to the honky ball with me?
>>5606507
I think it's racist that Korra would be that low. She would be highly sought after in a black community.
>>5606507
Lord, that image of Edgar gets me all the time
>>5606519
Elanna has cute glasses
>>5606449
been here less then a year
soon after I got here, I was inspired to present by the fultimers and my girlmode finally saw daylight
...fast forward a few months of work and effort and I'm passable
but it's now so neg, depressing, and lewd
>>5606515
>tfw used to be princess tier and not even included anymore.
>>5606507
jesus christ. what was the butthurt like when this was originally posted?
>>5606507
that's a picture of me from 2014 though
>>5606507
>elanna & faye
>unattractive
:^)
I miss Noelle.
>>5606533
>tfw most disgusting neet creature ever
>tfw eating a coffee ice cream dessert
>think its in a chocolate case
>its chocolate colored plastic
>this is a travesty
>start screaming
>MICHAEL
>FUCKEN
>BAY
>PEARL
>HARBOR
>realise I'm overreacting, calm down and sulkily eat my ice cream
>burst into tears
>headpats from gf
and thats the story of mood swings when a dose of mones is missed
>>5606520
Confession:
I do have a tumblr. But I use it specifically for geology, paleontology, beer, and gardevoir posting. Only occasionally do I bother with discourse, and when I do it's literally to call out the idiocy that happens to cross my dashboard sometimes.
I rarely check the damn thing because I find tumblr to be useless.
>tfw thinking about the process of FFS
>literally going to need my skin peeled back and my bone grinded down just for the chance of feeling neutral instead of sad all the time
the trans life is hard, I don't want it
what if it gets botched and I end up looking like Pete Burns?
>>5606534
It was also posted to /soc/ and /v/ it was a pretty crazy day.
>>5606526
She looks more feminine than Michelle Obama.
>>5606525
if you want to, i suppose...
i don't dance though
>>5606520
fuck no
>>5606533
I'm never making it out of absolutely disgusting tier
>>5606526
lmaoo nigga r u serious?
>>5606545
>/v/
I'd love to see that, /v/ is amazing when it comes to transpeople.
>>5606543
There is always sidoku as a backup plan.
>>5606402
Kit or elanna so I can be popular
>>5606553
you pass, so obviously should be higher then numerous guymode mtfs that don't even present full fem
>>5606500
Coffs harbor. And yeh the clinic he worked at has a bunch of people who can do hrt, it's just annoying seeing new doctors
>>5606537
>>5606538
>tfw it's true
>>5606555
It was when people were still doing the drama over the speed runner transitioning. /v/ actually wasn't too friendly unlike how they were years ago towards trans.
>>5606545
kayla on suicide watch?
who was the most bootyblasted?
>>5606539
>tfw when not remembered.
>>5606553
At least you have a tier, I'm casteless, untouchable.
>>5606507
>tfw not cute
;_;
>>5606551
I can pretend enough for it to be ok!
>>5606564
Hey I never make these tier things! Don't get too upset.
But then, they'd have to make den mother tier in order to include me...
>>5606562
A few things
One, the drama is still going on.
Two, it is strange how /v/ has shifted from liking traps and transpeople to hating them
Three, with how they are today I'm sure it would have been fun. I'm not sure if it's a meme to say >she or if they believe literally everyone is trans
>>5606545
Fuck, my friend probably saw it then
>>5606526
literally offended
>>5606563
It bugged me a big but considering I'd posted the pic as a 'hey heres no angles' pic I didn't care too much, IIRC Caddy had a rough time with /soc/ from it and left here for a while =\. I don't recall about Kayla I try to stick to only paying attention there when she seems to be actually asking for advice.
>tfw second laser session wednesday night
i'm nervous but i'm gonna turn it up to the maximum intensity pulses, i heard it just feels like a rubber band snapping against your skin so hopefully that turns out okay
>>5606518
Like, look at this
I wish someone would put me out of my misery
>>5606576
that's very kind of you
>>5606584
i try not to let stuff from here get to me too much but i admit i was a little upset over the last tier list and tranny roulette. it was right before i went full time too so idk the hit to my confidence was not really great.
I actually feel good about my hair today.
>>5606590
No problem follow my lead!
>Having a bit of fun with this..
>>5606579
I didn't know that drama was still going, people really like making a lot out of nothing I see. It really is strange though, I remember back when I was on /v/ years back there was like 2-3 traps threads daily. It was interesting, and idk on their meme culture, but it seems to be mocking, I see it happen a lot if I pop on a Renegades match with Twitch chat open.
>>5606580
Possibly =\
>>5606592
Yeah, I think it got to a lot of people a little bit for reasons like that. I had just gotten my name/gender change done and was worried about the pressures of feeling obligated to pass
>>5606584
you should have been higher
but i guess it answers why people are pretty hesitant on adding pics
>>5606596
>I didn't know that drama was still going, people really like making a lot out of nothing I see
That's /v/ for you. There is a daily thread about her.
>>5606595
Looks a lot like a stylized older Calvin.
>tfw super manly face
>>5606576
I used to make them though, I used to get in the top tiers too...
>>5606588
Yes, that's exactly what it feels like. Good luck with maximum intensity, I'm the palest person I know who isn't dying and I would scream at that.
>>5606592
At least you got included.
>>5606606
literally why would you want to be on a tier list.
>>5606579
>Two, it is strange how /v/ has shifted from liking traps and transpeople to hating them
it was back in the day when /v/ hated women for being picky entitled cunts, tarps seemed like a nice alternative- then Brianna WU and gamergate happened... and the tumblr trans stuff with the triggers and privilege and all that jazz-
/v/ realized trans were cancer or perhaps mostly lesbian and interested in girls more than guys, that and probably a lot of oldfags left, and new fags entered- /v/ probably doesn't even know about deus ex....
When ego-raptor transitions... it is gonna be a big shit-storm
http://strawpoll.me/6634706
>>5606602
u shoulda been a tier higher as well
i'm all for seeing trip fags getting btfo'd but there was some clear bias in some of these choices
>>5606604
iktf
>tfw no happy ending waiting for me
>>5606603
It's from a web comic called material girl.
Really relevant to this thread seeing as how it deals with gender identity.
(Funny enough, it was done by someone who later realized they were trans and began the transitioning process.) Calvin and hobbs are huge influences on her work.
![[PANIC].gif](https://i.imgur.com/cV23YVZ.gif "[PANIC].gif")
>>5606613
fuck i forgot to find a face
>>5606615
>tfw you look like a man with long hair
>>5606618
to propagate the spherical earth myth, obviously
>>5606491
teach me how to play Civ V please !
>>5606598
Ty ^^ But yeah pretty much is why I didn't post any pics here since then until this past week really, because of that whole episode.
>>5606601
Yeah makes sense. I haven't gone there in a few years since my like for vidya turned from love to 'eh its fun'.
>>5606602
I don't even really know, just something I remember skimming.
>>5606616
Cute ^^ I can definitely see the influence there.
>>5606614
Yeah, most tier lists aren't made objectively and are just tools for a few people to snipe. For a while I was higher on them.
>>5606614
meh not really, oddish isnt that attractive
>>5606604
>tfw look like a cute 16 year old boy
> but still male, hard to pinpoint what exactly makes my face masculine
> stare at my face everyday for 30+ minutes at a time.
>>5606607
Dont trip and then tell me you aren't an attention whore. You wanna be top tier just like the rest of us.
>>5606624
I'll teach you senpai
>>5606632
it's the brow ridge.
it's always the brow ridge.
it didn't click with me until i started looking at ffs before and afters and started looking at my family's faces
>>5606608
>When ego-raptor transitions... it is gonna be a big shit-storm
Is /v/ somehow not expecting it or something?
>>5606632
>tfw you look like a 25 years old man
>tfw face is literally a square with tiny eyes and a huge nose
>>5606596
Pretty sure /v/ is suffering from the same problem as /b/, where most of Anonymous has been replaced by edgy kids who believe everything about 4chan's rep
>>5606635
ok !
>>5606637
no- I don't think /v/ expects ego/Arin to be trans at all
>>5606608
>that and probably a lot of oldfags left, and new fags entered
basically this happened to /v/
>>5606622
> my standards are better then your standards
even if i DID go along with it. THAT LOW??!!??
>>5606633
i like (You)s as much as anyone else but i get my fair share of hate from tripping and there are legitimate reasons to do it too. I've made a lot of friends itt even if it is a toxic shithole
>>5606623
But who cares
What great change happens if the earth is flat
And if this is true, how did america and russia, during the cold war, decide to keep this under wraps together???
>>5606639
Sounds about right. It's pretty bad. I also honestly wonder how much of old /v/ ended up trans.
>>5606633
I just trip because I guess I guess I unrightfully assumed everyone is as autistically bad at telling anons as me and was interested in having some hopefully real feedback. Then it devolved into this.
>>5606651
b-but i want two teachers ;___;
hey guys got a long day ahead of me tomorrow.
could i get some (you)s to lift my spirits?
>>5606651
We can team up and teach
>>5606652
Telling which anon is which*
>>5606656
>>5606656
d-don't tell anyone i did this anon
>>5606660
wew
>>5606656
(you) and I both. i'm seeing a new psychiatrist. this, after pulling an all nighter shaving all of my body hair off and testing my IPL on my gt
>>5606654
>>5606657
Sounds fun
>>5606636
What is this...*brow* ridge?
every time i discover something else to look at in my face it's exciting. what else should i look for?
>>5606620
iktf and it's awful
>tfw I will always be a freak
>>5606664
post soles jormy
>>5606664
>that pic
lewd
>>5606661
omgosh I wasn't even expecting a (you) back
>>5606675
have another! >:)
>>5606644
How old is old /v/ because after being there for years I doubt that was within the last 5 years
>5'6"
>pretty small for a genetic male
>pretty ok body all around
>disgusting jew nose
>disgusting man chin that could cut glass
>disgusting hormonally ravaged acne scarred skin
>disgusting deep set serial killer eyes
>tfw I will I never have an attractive face no matter how many skittles I eat
I should kill myself. Ugly trans aren't ever human beings.__.
>>5606503
night Remy ^__^
>>5606678
I mean I mainly lurked there in like 05-08ish.
>>5606666
It's the piece of bone over your eyes that makes you look like a caveman. Adult male levels of testosterone tend to produce a prominent brow ridge.
>>5606648
The hatred is still attention. Maybe I just have a dreary worldview and that's why I always jump to the worst motivations possible.
>>5606652
I don't know really even know how I feel about trips anymore.
>>5606679
Quite a bit of that can be fixed with some FFS, don't give up hope anon :(
>>5606633
Hey, you, pay attention to me.
>>5606696
s-stop it, I need that to live
>>5606608
What about when Boxbox starts?
>>5606689
Idk, I definitely had a different idea of this going into it, but it's kinda just like welp established a name for myself why go hide in the shadows, part of transitioning was being honest about shit. I kinda tried to carry that to most parts of my life.
I guess I just hope I'm not too bad of one.
>>5606694
Victoria
>>5606694
thanks for the (you) but i wanted your soles
>>5606674
Just wait till she explodes her religion all over your capital ;3
>>5606666
honestly the three main things i can think of that really make or break your femininity are your brow ridge or lack thereof (you don't want one), fat redistribution from hrt, and getting good at makeup.
okay just flick through a ffs portfolio and try and see what was done to make them look feminine.
i still say that the brow ridge is the single most defining feature. you see cis girls with manly jawlines or ugly noses without questioning their sex, but if they have a manly brow ridge it will at least make them look ugly if not make you think they look a bit manly.
http://facialfeminization.eu/portfolio/
>>5606672
thanks!
>>5606694
>Btw where do you live kuppy?
she is like fifteen though
>>5606659
>tfw someone saved your (you)
>>5606679
ugly isn't so bad as long as u pass
>>5606694
Opps forgot pic
>>5606700
Ohh cool, we should be able to play together no probs
>>5606664
>>5606674
>>5606654
Please make this a porno.
>>5606710
post butte
>>5606507
I'd prolly be low on the tier lists if I posted face pic.
>>5606705
Brow ridge is overstated. Tricks to deal with deep set eyes abound, and they're not originally aimed at trans women.
A lot of trans women are too conservative with their eyebrows.
>>5606656 can do it anon!!
>>5606710
Just so you know
I'm probably pretty shit
>>5606711
What would be the title?
>>5606685
i don't think i have that : /
what else should i look for anon-kun :3
>>5606709
Allow me to rephrase. Ugly people in general are pointless. Whats the point in living if nobody will ever find you attractive?
>>5606720
No amount of ffs will fix your brain.
>>5606712
Ok
>>5606718
I'm shit too ;~; my steam is http://steamcommunity.com/id/jormungandev
>>5606718
Some tail between two cities.
>>5606698
Here's a (You) maddie, I hope it can sustain you until your next hit ;~;
>>5606718
Weaboo NEETs gone Mild!
>>5606696
I'll pay attention to you, if you pay attention to me.
>>5606699
Establishing a name for yourself is kind of an attention thing is where I'm coming from when I say that kind of stuff, but yeah, there are real legitimate reasons to do so. Like Ill trip in passgens so people can have some idea of who the person judging them is.
>>5606727
post butte!!
>>5606732
Elanna no !! we are trying to keep her clean !!!!!!
;___;
>>5606720
idk, I'm not sure one necessarily excludes the other, like I'm ugly but some people inexplicably find me attractive
>>5606722
>tfw no neural feminization surgery
>>5606736
Yeah, I hadn't lurked here much at all to find out the trip culture, I just saw tons of trips and figured it was the standard for people 'in transition'. I also didn't really realize passgen was actually it's own thing with its own regulars and not just a place where people here post their pictures as a sounding board until like a month in though, so there's that.
>>5606741
That you addiction is getting pretty bad
>jormy and elanna will never post their soles
>>5606741
> we are trying to keep her clean
oh... I didn't know
what have I did ;~;
>>5606747
where is that girl yesterday who was talking about isochronic tones and stuff.
made me curious
>>5606732
thank you elanna, you are a saint. don't listen to kit. >>5606741
>>5606753
>>5606750
>.>;;;;
>>5606753
>what have I did ;~;
Mangled the english language, for one
>>5606736
As far as gaining a name for myself I wasn't exactly trying to when I nearly became a meme, but I'd meant it as I guess just establishing an identity cause I'm tired of feeling like a wallflower, so yeah a bit attention whorish.
I guess it's just like hey I can finally be myself why not learn how to socialize with an identity, moreso.
>>5606754
I didn't quite get what the theory behind that even was, even after looking it up on Wikipedia.
>tfw you open your last black pearl mask
who /masking/ tonight
>tfw nothing to fill you with determination
Are there reasons for a guy to date a trans girl over a cis girl?
>>5606766
I'm going to be honest, before checking Google I thought you were talking about some kind of video game.
>>5606654
Well then, 2x the fun
>>5606770
yea the penis
>>5606727
sent
>>5606770
No, not really.
You cross your fingers and hope someone just falls in love with you.
>>5606770
that aren't fetish related?
not many.
>>5606770
Are there reasons for a guy to date anything when he can get a casual fuck through apps on his phone?
>>5606736
Always do asuka :^)
>>5606741
I'm sorry, it's a vicious cycle. Being around (You) junkies isn't good when you're trying to keep clean ;~;
>>5606756
Oh god yes thanks for that, have you ever tried IV (You)?
>>5606770
No accidental pregnancy. That's the only reason I can think of.
>>5606770
It took me a while but I realized that there really isn't a reason for the long run unless there's a real connection and they've known each other for a very long time. If it's not the Disney marrying your best friend since kindergarten then it's not real and he'll leave eventually.
>>5606770
Cis girls have ugly beef curtains, trans girls have cute feminine gts. Don't wanna date a roastie do you?
>>5606770
anal
>>5606770
Just be a better person.
Or find someone who likes dick and/or hates kids.
>>5606540
Kek
>>5606757
intentionally!
>>5606766
I was going to today but I didnt
>>5606770
Butt stuff
>>5606770
-never on her period
-no risk of an unplanned pregnancy
That's about all I can think of right off the top of my head that doesn't involve chaser fetishy stuff...
>>5606789
123
>>5606770
I feel like garbage when i think about this
>>5606796
Cis girls have butts too...
>>5606705
what about long chin/thick jaw?
>>5606808
But how many offer up butt stuff?
>>5606787
Long inner labia seem like they'd be fun to play with, though...
>>5606810
most cis girls are into butt stuff now ever since that song about eating the booty like groceries
>>5606782
>have you ever tried IV (You)?
ELANNA !!!! stahp you are enabling her !!
>>5606705
>http://facialfeminization.eu/portfolio/
fuuuuuuuuck
>ywn have enough money for this
I need ALL the procedures
>>5606749
Oh, I started tripping before /mtfg/ or the lgbt boards existed, so I have a very different view on it. It is pretty standard for transitioners to trip here, don't let my moaping get to you.
>>5606761
That's fair, and eh there is a lot of 4chan outside of these threads that despise trips. There is avataring, if you can evade or don't care about bans.
>>5606770
Transwomen are less entitled, generally. They also can't get pregant. But we're also normally traumatized and inept so no.
>>5606782
Yaay. I'll give you attention whenever I see you from now on.
>>5606818
gee I wonder why
