starting to feel like the concept of 'transitioning' is just a way for the gatekeeping 'actual trans' to dictate how you live your life desu
I mean, it could be because hormones and surgery are a pretty damn serious thing to play with and it would be nice to know the person knows for damn sure that it is what they want to do.
I don't see a gay man needing hormones and multiple surgeries to be his "true self".
>>5581234
yeah, exactly. so what if i don't want hormones or surgery? what if i'm p happy with myself? you aren't accepted by cis or trans folk.
>>5581240
Hm, I guess I'd just say you were a queer/faggot and will best be accepted among other faggots, be them trans or gays. I've heard of lots of trans-leaning folks who didn't want surgery or mones. Just you're on an LGBT board, so the majority of trannys will be either questioning or transitioning. You won't hear from anyone that has found a more comfortable way for them.
>>5581240
A trans person, by definition, isn't happy with their self though. If you are happy with yourself you're most likely appropriating the label.
Now if you're unsure about it that's a different story. But 'I'm happy with my body that doesn't match my gender' isn't a trans statement.
>but whaaah gatekeeping
Yes. There needs to be gatekeeping to make sure the community is actually for trans people. To make sure they can get the medical help they want. Saying that the gay male who isn't attracted to men and is attracted to women is simply common sense, why does the trans community suffer from something that's pretty much the same thing?
>>5582643
>gay male who ... Isn't gay* is simply common sense
>>5582728
Maybe they meant people who might transition socially but might not want hormones or surgery?
Nothing wrong with that, if it makes them happy then good for them.
>>5581225
gender dsyphoria is a serious medical issue that requires lifelong intervention and surgery, I have zero idea why you'd think it was ever a choice or an optional process. be as much of a faggot or a trap or whatever as you want but don't ever belittle what trans people go through, it's horrible
>>5581225
Transitioning is a term for the phase of, and processes involved in, moving from one gender to another. Be that medical, social, or both, and whatever those may entail exactly, is something everyone transitioning needs to work out themselves.
There's a lot of gatekeeping going on, but the concept of transitioning isn't one of its forms. Why would you think it to be, OP?
>>5581225
How can you be trans without transitioning? Transitioning is basically the act of being trans.
>>5581225
get out tumblr
>>5582939
You can be transgender by the merely having a gender identity that isn't in line with the one you were assigned. Most such people wish to transition, mind, because that usually helps reduce the disagreement.
>>5582939
How can you have cancer without getting chemo?
it's a way for them to reinforce the social dogmas that lead them to dysphoria in the first place, it's a neverending cycle
>>5583738
You're retarded if you think it's society that makes people trans. Shit happens in the mirror.
>>5583754
>implying 13 year olds hitting the interwebs aren't picking this stuff up with no ability to understand what they're seeing. They won't take us for freaks and we're special, so we'll leave an impression
Not my fucking fault some shit parent cant keep his kid in check, but you cant deny it happens.
>>5583787
its not like a bunch of 14yo kids are going aroud getting SRS. most of the confused cis people just crossdress and pretend to be special. they wouldn't last very long on hormones anyways
>>5583766
"Trans" has become a pretty large umbrella. Sorta have to deal with it, and remember you can whip out the specific terms when differentiation suits you.
What it is is a way to visibly connect the needs and interests of groups with (many) shared needs and interests.
>>5583825
yeah, but getting accused for "gatekeeping" non-transsexual trans** people isn't accurate. no one is saying you aren't a real transvestite or drag queen or whatever if you arent taking hormones
>>5583849
So call that shit by their name and not accept that "tranny/trans" gets stamped on absolutely everything.
Whats the need for a bogus umbrella term?
>>5581234
>>5582728
>>5582817
>a gay man needing hormones
Uh femgen? Cosmetic procedures are nice too.
Not op, but the only thing this shit accomplishes is forcing people to lie to psychologist.
As is you're simply meddling in people's lives and pushing a system that has no evidence proving that it's better than the alternatives.
Better to just adopt a libertarian informed consent system.
>>5581225
Literally only discounts transsexuals and harms them so some tumblrinas can feel special.
As long as that exists transsexuals will hate transgenders. "Transgenders" play dressup and at the end of the day hop into bed as their born sex. You're not trans. You're queer. Now pls go.
Sick and tired of being some SJWs pet to shove around and legitimate their ever more fucked up trends.
>>5581225
Felt like that since forever. Thats why I just deal with my GID without doing it.
>>5583925
Maybe in glorified 3rd world shitholes that haven't socialised their healthcare but in places that actually matter it is the business of all taxpayers who receives treatment.
You don't need your femboy treatments to happen. They're about as medically vital as a collagen injection to the lips or botox. You don't need it. You want it. Massive difference. You do not deserve taxpayer money so you can be kawaii and uguu.
That being said, if you pay for your own healthcare privately then whatever man. You good. Do whatever. Just make sure it's safe.
>>5583849
OP's a troll, not a gender non-conforming or NB person of any sort. Trap them in honest discussion, sure, but try not to attack the flag they're carrying - it isn't theirs.
>>5584121
Done and done. I'd much rather pay for everything on my way and keep my freedom than ever get caught in a failing relic of a system like the NHS or the other euro stuff you guys have to suffer under.
Course if I can 'exaggerate' and get my private insurance to buy me stuff then I won't complain.
No objections about making people jump through hoops for taxpayer funds, so long as they've got a private option.
>>5584186
You say you want to pay for everything on your own, and you still use insurance. Insurance is the same fucking thing as socialized medicine, except sometimes they randomly decide you don't get covered. It's like playing a lottery where you just lose. The united states has as many NHS as there are insurance companies, how thick can you even be. Centralization only makes shit cheaper and quicker.
>>5584276
>still use insurance
From Uni, they use TA's as a cheap way to avoid getting professors so they still save cash and it's really a quid pro quo arrangement. Paid through everything through undergrad, so really I haven't cost society anything yet.
>The united states has as many NHS as there are insurance companies
They vary widely in their ethics and they aren't above the law unlike your doctors. People have choice and companies can be pressured. OTOH, nobody can do a thing when your NHS refuses to provide experimental chemo and they've got the final say.
>Centralization
Efficiency is hardly worth the human cost and loss of freedom.
>>5581225
Oh god, you're making threads now?
