.. Is it okay to be AGP?
No, it's not okay. You were given a bad set of cards in this life like many people. AGP in a male bodied person= you'll never be happy.
>>5558212
So you're saying not to transition?
I'm comfortable with my penis, but I love dressing and be referred to as f.
>>5558237
Transitioning with AGP should be a case by case by case thing. If you're seriously debating hormones now, you're probably far enough down the AGP rabbit hole that once your sex drive plummets, you'll still want to transition.
IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
>>5558182
I keep seeing this acronym. What the fuck is AGP?
>>5558309
Autogynephilia. Look it up. It won't take long.
>>5558268
Elaborate?
>>5558425
Anon believes that a fetish for oneself as a woman causes people to feel that they need to transition, and that the severity of this need and prominence of the fetish invariably escalate. Those who go "too deep" don't even need the sexual component to feel better about transition.
It's a really weird way to rationalize the failure of a coping strategy to resolve transgender feelings in the long run, but since some sexologist once said it was the reason for many people transitioning despite his findings being impossible to reproduce outside his clinic, the whole thing has an air of legitimacy that people cling to.
It's not that the phenomenon of being aroused at the thought of oneself as a woman doesn't exist. It's that the phenomenon exists completely independent of being trans.
>>5558448
Are you saying that AGP isn't as common as many make it out to be?
Also to give you and idea of myself:
>comfortable with genitalia
>had feelings since elementary
>out to everyone
>have gf
>go out dressing with her often
I occasionally masturbate to "shemale" porn, but that came after the feelings of course. Though it still puzzles me after I cum.
Sorry tmi, I know. Just a desperate soul right now.
>>5558480
--I forgot to add.
>posts on /soc/ frequently
>gets rated high often
>i enjoy the compliments but it's more or less to confirm that other people see me as f when in public
>similar to how I choose female accounts in chats
>not to trap or attract, just be comfortable.
I'm pretty sure it's not for attention.. But maybe the attention of conversation?
>>5558182
Sure, if it existed, which it doesn't.
You're a closeted trans person. With additional mental issues.
>>5558480
>>5558496
She's saying it doesn't exist. Which it doesn't. There's nothing, medically or scientifically, that indicates in any way that it's a real thing and not just an excuse/outlet for people who are trans and denying/repressing it.
Like a gay guy in the closet buying gay porno to 'see what it's like', and 'following' male swimming competitions 'for the sport', and convincing his wife to peg him wearing a high-vis vest and a construction helmet and speaking in a deep voice, there's a chance that all of that is unrelated and he's not gay but chances are good that he is actually gay.
If you're doing stuff to alleviate gender dysphoria, and act like you have gender dysphoria, odds are good you have gender dysphoria. Pretty close to 100% in fact.
>>5558480
I'm saying that it's not a cause, but an effect.
For my part, things that affirm my gender identity almost invariably feel good. When I present and pass as female. When I am acknowledged as such by friends and family. When I imagine myself as such in situations ranging from mundane activity to sexual fantasy. Being on hormones has come with troubles, and inserted an urgency in full social transitioning due to the unanticipated speed of some changes. Despite that, I can't ever remember feeling so relaxed and...comfortable. I bet cis people feel that way almost all of the time - no wonder being trans seems so alien to them.
But if my only outlet, ever, had been sexual fantasies? If that were the only time I felt this way? Maybe I would also mistake effect for cause.
I don't do diagnoses, so I couldn't tell you whether you're trans or not. But if you're in doubt, talking to a therapist will probably help you out.
>>5558643
Thanks, that was actually a nice read..
I've actually attended therapy and by the end of the monthly sessions I was indeed diagnosed trans and given a letter. The letter's sitting in the drawer right under my hands as I type. And, like yourself I can only envision myself in the future as f, even in sex.
My only gripe is not being physically or soul crushingly bound to become a woman. I just think it would feel much nicer and comfortable. I'm comfortable as male, but there's the possibility of being more happy, more comfortable.
I'm fine with my penis, I actually worry about losing the ability to have erections. These are all flags, but I just don't know. Always so confused.
>>5558407
Hm, so.... I wonder how common that is. I'm a pretty masc guy, I could never see myself as a chick, but I guess fem dom is kinda hot...
>>5558582
It's got to be at least a little different with being gay though; why would being trans express itself in such a sexualised way?
>>5558770
Because fetishes exist? And it's more socially acceptable to have a secret weird fetish than it is to want to change your gender?
>>5558582
>Which it doesn't
Gynephilia and Androphilia are legitimate terms to describe one's sexual orientation. Your average woman in an androphile, aroused by cues of maleness and masculinity, the object of desire being men.
Your average man is a gynephile, aroused by cues of femaleness and femininity. By definition, if you're aroused by yourself as a male or female, "auto", you're an autoandrophile or an autogynephile. I don't know about you, but I've heard stories of many gay men who wish to be the men they're attracted to, so much so that they slave over keeping their body nice and sexy, by definition that is autoandrophilia.
So yes, the guy didn't pull the term out of his ass, these are real things and it would be idiotic to state that autogynephilia in a man would NOT be motivation for him to transition into that which he loves, the female body. Love is a strong thing friend and it transcends sexual arousal.
This is not to be confused by your average narcissistic gym rat male, or your average instagram slut. Unless these folks are aroused by their selves, they are notautogynephilic/androphilic and if they are, then obviously they'd be inclined to have some bi-sexual leanings, which many people do.
>>5558692
The decision to transition, and how to transition, is a deeply personal one, even if the effects reach far outside yourself. Ultimately, it's your call.
I'm vehemently opposed to the narrative of needing to be "trans enough" to justify transition, so I'm too biased to talk about that even somewhat responsibly.
The most I can do at this stage is suggest (for your research) hrt treatments that may better suit you than the standard. For anti-androgens, you will want to look into bicalutamide. It tends to have much less impact on mood and sexual function than both cyproterone acetate and spironolactone, so it might be a better fit given your mood and sexual function don't seem to bother you at all right now. It's gaining popularity, especially with MAAB NB persons.
Whatever you decide, I'll wish you the best.
>>5558480
>Are you saying that AGP isn't as common as many make it out to be?
It's much less common than Blanchard claimed it was.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19591032
AGP isn't an actual thing. Please stop being retarded.
>>5558998
You're a fucking moron. Read the study. It's saying that cis woman ALSO experience autogynephilia.
>>5558407
So what's the difference lel
>>5559079
Writing it will, as I am on my phone.
>>5558954
Unfortunately it's always like this, I get ultimately to the point that it's my decision. But at the end I realize I couldn't decide in the first place.
I can't decide anything, and so I continuously find myself at square 1.
I can't tell if it's a phase and the thought of detransitioning later in life and having to confirm that to my family keeps me up endlessly. The punchline of that being that I fear being established in my mids and transitioning with kids, a job, etc.
All the arrows in my head are pointing in so many varying and contradicting directions. ):
Don't all MtF have AGP then?
I mean they clearly want to be seen as women when they fuck soooo
>>5559212
There's a difference between wanting to experience sexual things as female (or only being able to imagine yourself in those situations as female, and so on), and being aroused directly by the thought or act of experiencing those things as female. AGP is the latter.
>>5559300
>being aroused directly by the thought or act of experiencing those things as female.
But even cis women get this
Thoughts can get pretty steamy
>>5559320
This is an impossible argument. I don't know who said it here, but look around at the many threads here and make your own inference of the difference between your average woman's fantasies and your average mtf. AGP individuals are not aroused by men, but the thought of themselves becoming aroused by men, hence why you see so many bi-sexual transbians. Women and androphilic men become aroused at the beauty of men, AGP's do not. Sure, there are some women who likely experience this kind of arousal, but I suspect these women to be fem-bi women if so and not straight.
>>5559197
That sounds unpleasant. I'm sorry I can't really help clear it up for you. If you're seriously considering not transitioning though, you should probably work on being able to imagine your future as a man. Doing nothing is a choice, and it's the one that you will have made by default.
Seriously, I hope you're happy with how things turn out.
>>5559374
thanks friend. means alot.
i enjoyed your take.
>>5559359
>bi-sexual transbians
>>5560321
That is what they are. They all take the cock eventually. It's the initiation into girlhood.
>>5559320
I should rephrase: for an AGP person, being female is arousing in itself. Cis women don't imagine a sexual fantasy and think how hot it is that they're being a woman in it, even if they may be aroused by certain feminine things that may overlap with what an AGP person will be aroused by.
>>5560331
Ah that makes more sense
Still tumblr bullshit I don't give a fuck about though
>>5558867
>narcissistic
narcissists are by definition only capable of loving their ideal self. that self being validated in chronic cases is the only means to sexual arousal or release. in fact, when people fall in love with narcissists, the narcissist generally assumes they are lying about loving as much as they lie to create their image, because they know they are composed of external trappings.
which is why both the /fit/ male and /soc/ whore are such insecure beings with well developed myspace angle skills. sex itself for narcissists is usually empty, which is why they keep posting photos, because that brings more confirmation of their public's favour than fucking just one person can. sex isn't enough adulation for a narcissist to feel loved or intimate.
>>5558182
I don't see why not. It is not a fetish that even really needs some other person's consent. I can't say something is not okay if it doesn't negatively affect another person.
>>5560331
Not really.. I have heard of women looking in the mirror and being aroused by the sight of their own body parts, this seems distinct from their "androphilia"
The only real difference is they don't need thoughts.
>>5558182
It's ok in the sense that you're not a bad person for being AGP but it's still shitty
