Posted in another thread but I feel like it needs it's own topic
I'm trans and I'm starting to be driven crazy by the sjw shit. I'm pretty left leaning, but even I can't take this sjw shit. So many self loathing white people, this one "demiboy" special snowflake lily white sjw who defriended me was adamant they were native despite being clearly white as can be
The biggest source of annoyance however is the claim of "ableism". It's not a real word, not a real thing outside of tumblr. I made a comment in a group about a hot girl being crazy and got accused of it earlier. I'm really sick of these people and their shit, the most extreme ones I try my best to avoid and ignore but there's some you can't escape no matter what
>>5388487
Where are these sjws? I only read about them and see them on kekbook. Simplest way is to cut the cancer out desu. Avoid interactions with the crazies
>>5388487
Obviously tumblr is stupid about it and takes it too far, but ableism is a thing. Discrimination against the disabled happens and denying it is pointless.
>>5388545
There's a softens between actual ableism and calling people out for using common language. Nearly every insult in my repertoire(crazy, dumb, stupid, nutty, anything with a -tard suffix) is tumblr ableist
>>5388597
*difference, not softens
Stupid phone
>>5388597
Well, that's exactly what I meant by tumblr taking it too far. That doesn't mean the entire idea of ableism is invalid.
I'm bi.
My first encounter with SJWs was when they told me I had to start calling myself 'pan' instead of 'bi', because "being bi means you are perpetuating the belief that gender is binary" and that I might be excluding trans people. When I asked a trans friend if me being bi offended him, he rolled his eyes and told me they were fucking nutjobs.
I just thought they were quirky. Then I went on a color run.
If you don't know, a color run is just a 5K where they have checkpoints and throw colorful powder at you.
I went, I ran, I got a face full of color, and mostly I just reaffirmed I prefer going to the gym than running outside. One of the friends I went with posted the pictures of Facebook.
I got something like 80 notifications of pure unbridled hate. "RACIST!" "CULTURAL APPROPRIATOR!" "COLONIALIST!" Fucking insane bullshit from people I didn't know. I asked my friend what the fuck was going on and she said it was the friends of one of her friends.
I told all these people to fuck right off, cause they were posting on my shit, and they wouldn't stop. Later, I get an email from one of them. My fucking email is NOT LISTED ANYWHERE ON MY FACEBOOK. They were ferreting around, asking my friends for info on me, pretending they were old high school buddies that I just lost connection with. Text messages came later.
I wish I could have said I handled it well, but I basically retreated like a bitch. They just wouldn't stop. I deleted my facebook, turned my phone off for a few weeks and waited. I threw up multiple times out of fear. Its really not fun to have a bunch of strangers yelling that they hate you and telling you they know information about you.
I still get messages from time to time from them, even though Im off social media.
The kicker? The only goddamn reason I went on that color run was because I was invited by my friend-- a Malay who wanted to celebrate Holi Day, and thought this would be a fun way to do so.
Not that that should have fucking mattered.
>>5388608
You know the freedom you have here to speak your mind? What if I told you that used to be a thing in a LOT of places? Now you have to hold your tongue like a beta faggot everywhere because SJWs made you their bitch.
>>5388487
Like 99% of this board hates sjws, you aren't special for thinking you are, now find a topic that ismt just beating a dead horse
>>5388646
While this is not legal advice and you should contact a lawyer in
your area instead of an anon on the internet.
At that point it sounds like harassment and there is definite harm done to you.
If I were in your shoes I would take them to court.
you might end up winning a ok settlement,
or get nothing at all.
Either way have a guy in a suit serve papers to you is one of the most
terrifying thing that can reasonably happen so they will stop.
I'm tired of political parties using my sexuality as a ploy to get votes.
>>5388646
Literally, this: >>5388924
You need not actually intend to sue anyone, just having your lawyer inform them of your intent to bring the matter into a court of law usually shuts anyone up. And if they don't back down, willful harassment like that is a major money maker in courts (assuming U.S.).
>>5388924
>>5389075
Shit, I did not know that was an option. I've just been lying low.
My sister is dating a lawyer, I can ask him for advice.
Thanks!
>>5389051
This so much.
I cant express my disagreement with the current government here because "I am lgbtqwerty and this government gave me equal rights" which isnt even true since the movement for gay marriage started in the 90s here.
>>5388646
I used to believe this was 4chan exaggerating but holy fuck, these people are real and they have an actual influence.
It's a very weird feeling but between the diversity police, censorship, and muslim flooding, not living in a first world country is starting to feel like a relief.
>>5389051
>I'm tired of political parties using my sexuality as a ploy to get votes.
I'm tired of political parties using my sexuality as a ploy to get bigots to deny my rights.
>>5388646
At the very least you could file a restraining order, sorry to hear about that
I think that the SJW movement is already going down. It happens to all totalitarian movements once they reach the point a normal human being can't live with that kind of ideology.
Ask a SJW anything.
>>5389873
are you like the other SJWs?
>>5389873
What made you to lose your sense of trust and humanity so much you want to live in Orwellian nightmare?
>>5389903
>>5389956
I know but Orwellian nightmare is the kind of state SJWs want to live in. They want every thought, every act and pretty much everything a free person should be able to do to get checked by social justice police at first. If it doesn't fit in to their idea of acceptable then it can't exist. If you don't agree you're one of the "bad guys". The most extreme ones even think that those who disagree should just die or at least not be allowed to vote.
>>5388545
>Discrimination against the disabled happens and denying it is pointless.
What discrimination? Are you sure you aren't confusing the inconveniences caused by a disability with discrimination? I've never seen actual discrimination towards the disabled but I've seen a ton of disabled people and more importantly their 'allies' cry discrimination when their particular disability is not catered to. Not that I'm against accessibility but demanding it from private businesses especially rubs me the wrong way.
>>5389051
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/12/14/ricky-martin-urges-lgbt-community-to-support-hillary-clinton/
>>5390146
>support the candidate that helped pass DOMA
>support the candidate who's only contribution the LGBT community is rainbow stickers with her logo on it making her as supportive as a hamburger
>support the candidate who wants to protect the religious extremists that are beheading us and throwing us off cranes
wat?
>>5390174
But look at all these happy couples. Don't you want to be happy? You can reach happiness if you vote her!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Y9abmNuRw
>>5390187
>some have suggested that gay rights and human rights are separate and distinct
Yeah. You did!
This video makes me so angry and it makes me even angrier that people fall for it
>>5388487
SJWS give the LGBTQ+ a bad name
they gave NonBinary people a bad name
they gave trannies a bad name
dont even get me started on the bad name they gave to cis white males
so yeah i hate sjws
>>5388487
did you know the demiboy's white parents, or did they just look white to you? plenty of native people have european features due to partially white ancestry
also ableism has been a word since at least the 90s and a general cause people have been fighting for for centuries. ever heard of hellen keller?
>>5390231
>they gave NonBinary people a bad name
They created NB. The whole idea that some can feel dysphoric about both sexes is a SJW invention. It plays on the idea that sex=/=gender and that gender=/=gender roles
>>5390265
gender=gender roles*
Sorry. I've been messing up a lot lately.
>>5390265
well i have a Non Binary friend who never even went to tumblr so..
>>5390269
and no worries, we all mess up some times
>>5390278
You do realize that SJW's are as contained to tumblr as Neo-Nazis are contained to /pol/, right? Neither of those groups started out on the internet and neither are just in one place circle jerking each other.
>>5389994
>I know but Orwellian nightmare is the kind of state SJWs want to live in.
How so?
>They want every thought, every act and pretty much everything a free person should be able to do to get checked by social justice police at first.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAA I CAN'T BE A BIGOT ANYMORE
>If it doesn't fit in to their idea of acceptable then it can't exist.
It shouldn't exist, doesn't mean it does not exist.
>If you don't agree you're one of the "bad guys". The most extreme ones even think that those who disagree should just die or at least not be allowed to vote.
You shouldn't be allowed to vote.
>>5390361
>bigot: a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
>>5390371
>bigot: a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
MLK Jr. never used the term "tolerance".
>>5390374
He also never demonized someone based on the color of their skin
I'm pretty sure you're a troll though no one can willingly be this deluded
>>5390436
No but he did attack the white Northern liberals who got upset with him talking against the Vietnam war.
>>5390174
>support the candidate who wants to protect the religious extremists that are beheading us and throwing us off cranes
Are you fucking retarded? When did LGBT people become neocon faggots?
>>5390361
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAA I CAN'T BE A BIGOT ANYMORE
You seem to be confusing SJW's with the average non-bigoted person. SJW's aren't people trying to stop others from saying "gas the kikes and hang the niggers, race war now!" they're the ones saying "men pee standing up as an act of dominance over womxn"
Those crazies, not the average anti-racist, are the ones we're talking about when we say SJW
All this politics talk, I'm an anti statist. I'm against having leaders and government is really just a gang which uses violence and coercion against innocent people. The law is enforced by violence and taxation is theft
I can't stand how SJWs defend the people who say you don't need dysphoria to be trans. Honestly I feel that idea spits in the face of us actual trans people who struggle and suffer with dysphoria for their whole lives. Why do you want to use the trans label if you aren't dysphoric? Then merely suggesting that it's bs gets them calling you "truscum" or whatever stupid tumblr terms they like to use
I really can't stand the attempts to restrict and police free speech. I'm not saying reward people for hate speech and blatant bigotry, but as said when every insult you've grown up using results in claims of "ableism" it's frustrating to no end. These people aren't even visibly disabled. I feel they might be self diagnosed autist or something similar, but I never really see people who are severely handicap complaining about calling someone stupid or crazy
>>5390482
When modern Muslims became Medieval Christians. It's understandable. The reason why the LGBT community doesn't trust the Christian community is because they used to be how Muslims are now
>>5390265
>>5390278
Some of this non binary shit is just too far out there. What's wrong with using they as a pronoun? It sounds far better and more reasonable than xyr or zem or whatever the fuck stupid pronoun people are using. Gender is obviously a spectrum, but I feel too many NB people are reality just special snowflakes who will ultimately grow out of their silly alien sounding identities when they actually mature some. As a trans girl I don't like being in the same category as someone who says they're a demikin stargender halfboy sapiosexual who uses zi/xyr as their pronouns. It makes us actual trans people seem like our struggle is some kinda silly joke when these people claim to be "trans"
>>5390602
Yeah people who lack the militant part might as well call themselves hippies. Which also was a fad of young people that were displeased with the society, difference is that they just decided to drop out of it and start their own commune while SJWs think the entire world should be their commune and change for them. The highest accomplishment of SJW movement is a bunch of angry gamers.
>>5389956
Please don't insult Orwell by associating him with the average SJW. He was never anywhere close to being as authoritarian as you guys.
>>5388646
SJWs are insane. Never have I seen any group of people act so morally righteous while being completely monstrous human beings.
Well, no, I suppose jihadists and other religious extremists are about the same.
>>5389873
You do realize that SJW is a derogatory term, right?
>>5389871
I hope so. This past year they've been dragged out into the spotlight thanks to certain other internet movements, and the way they've been acting in that spotlight has been making a lot more people aware of their bullshit. Their complete failure to respond in a sane manner to this organized pushback against them has only made them seem even loonier to casual onlookers.
>>5390174
Don't forget:
>Support the candidate that was against gay marriage until a few years ago.
>Meanwhile, Trump was making pro-LGBT comments as far back as 2000, including enforcement of anti-discrimination laws in the workplace.
>>5390602
>You seem to be confusing SJW's with the average non-bigoted person.
Anti-SJW is now the new n-word. Look up Lee Atwater.
>>5390609
The reason ISIS exists is because US foreign policy and funding. But your way to stupid to know what.
>>5390720
>He was never anywhere close to being as authoritarian as you guys.
In 1924, was it authoritarian to ban the Nazi Party by the German Republic?
>>5390805
He's a lying POS.
>>5390852
Yes but I'm taking the word back from you shitlords.
>>5390885
>Trump was making pro-LGBT comments as far back as 2000, including enforcement of anti-discrimination laws in the workplace.
Sanders and Clinton both support that.
I remember I used to follow (read: bookmark) this girl on tumblr who constanly put down people with headmates and told them to grow up, also she drew cartoon porn so there was that. Over the years she got weirder and weirder, declaring herself nonbinary after losing her boyfriend and posting more and more about gender. Now her blog is gone and I have no idea what happened to her. Maybe she died, or maybe she gave it up for 4chan.
Either way, she stopped being fun towards the end. it's a shame.
>>5390952
Poe's Law is in full effect.
>>5390952
>He's a lying POS.
Then call him/her the fuck out. You aint doin your job, culture police.
See, when it's kids, 12, 14, sometimes 16... Hey, I understand I guess, kids are kids, teens are teens, y'know how it is. Still not excusable, and their parents/guardians shoulda teach em better, you know
But then I see fucking 25 year olds and honestly, it makes me lose faith.
There's this girl, 25 if I'm not mistaken, I look at her blog sometimes that at this point, it just makes my blood pressure spike off the charts. It's unbelievable and man, I don't think it's a troll. If it is, it's doing a great job, I tell ya
She's a nonbinary MASCULINE PRESENTING despite looking like a downright girl, a TERF, that bitch McKayley in cliché highschool movies. Like, you know, bitch? Do you know the look "bitch"?
Liquid eyeliner, red lipstick, and completely obsessed over makeup and doesn't bind at all with her huge tits and still screeches and pisses herself if you don't call her male name and all?
What the fuck are you doing?
And drumroll! Right on her description, of course, she calls herself a "social justice mage". Magical!
I try my best to keep open minded and stop being so judgemental, but I've lost faith. Fucking done 2bh
Wish I could just post her url to make y'all see the kek (or not) worthy shit, especially when she complains about 4chan (and yet still uses >be me >greentext and "TOP KEK"), but y'know. Rules are rules
Ahh, man. Why I even mad anymore kek
Lot of people here have experiences with SJWs that resonate with me.
I used to be an SJW. I was in a dark place in my life, and I never realized it: I wasn't doing anything, but I was too proud to admit I was committing any faults. I thought of myself as the best humanity had to offer, even though thinking back I was just a little cunt. I discovered I was a lesbian, and thought it was the most important fact in the world and everyone had to not only accept me, but praise me for it, because it was a point of my identity that I could talk about instead of "Im doing well in school" or "I have plans for after college", which I couldn't say.
Almost all of my friends were SJWs too, and all of us used/had used 4chan. We all thought we had "grown out" of being what the worst 4chan was, but that we could morally apply 4chan ideas for the good of society, like anonymity and trolling.
Its really embarrassing to think about how stupid I was. Me and a friend finally left after Gamergate happened: we were on the warpath trying to find white men posing as WoCs, and we thought we had cornered one. Then they put up a picture of them flipping us off. Up until that point, we were together in the same room just laughing our asses off, and then when we saw the picture I immediately closed my laptop and she started pacing, we didn't even talk about it. Few weeks later we just kind of stopped doing the whole social justice thing.Wasnt a sudden change, just over time I and she stopped doing it.
Whats really weird is that our old friends never reached out to us, just started shitting on us. Just out of the blue referenced us, one saying ona n article about Trump "MRAs want to make whiteness great again" and then another chimed in "Bet (me) and (my friend) will be there to!" and started saying we love MRAs and Trump... because we were silent? Like how long was this bubbling up that they were just waiting to start ripping us apart? Im happier now. Just embarrassing.
>>5388487
If you're looking for anti-sjw then this board isnt the place for you.
Very recently these tards were condoning a 16 year old boy taking female hormones, not because he is transgender, but because he wanted to be more popular in high school.
Because "its xir body xe can do whatever xe wants to with it!!!!1!!!1!"
>>5391352
>Me and a friend finally left after Gamergate happened: we were on the warpath trying to find white men posing as WoCs, and we thought we had cornered one. Then they put up a picture of them flipping us off.
Huh, I wonder if I have a screencap of this, I've got an entire folder's worth of SJWs calling women/minorities sockpuppets and then having them post pictures of themselves to prove their identity.
Good on you for having the self-awareness to realize how awful that kind of behavior actually is.
>"Bet (me) and (my friend) will be there to!" and started saying we love MRAs and Trump... because we were silent?
If you're not constantly reaffirming their belief system (or even worse, take a moment to question said belief system), you are literally worse than Hitler. They're much more violent when attacking self-doubting SJWs or ex-SJWs than they are their usual targets.
>>5391352
Well if it makes you feel any better you probably weren't even half as deluded as these people were.
>>5389815
I'm talking about both parties. I wish they would both drop it and get to real issues.
>>5388487
I think the biggest problem SJWs (and feminists) have, is that they forget theyre an ideology.
In their mind, they are correct, and everyone else is wrong, thats seems self evident to them. They misunderstand why other people think differently, like a Christian who thinks atheists just dont want to follow god's laws and want to be immoral, SJWs think that people who dont think like they do want to be bad people.
Its why they have a hundred names they slap on anyone that disagrees with them. The most obvious comes from feminists who are so very often SJWs, they can constantly be seen ignoring evidence that contradicts them, and arguments against them, and they just label the people arguing as "MRAs" or "misogynists". Because to them, what they believe is undeniable truth, if you dont believe that then it must be so you dont have to follow that morality, rather than thinking the claims lack evidence and the rules justified by those claims dont hold up
What they dont see is that they arent objectively right, and the rules they come up with based on their ideology only apply to people who subscribe to that ideology, they cannot be allowed to force their morality on anyone, especially not institutions or shared spaces, as they are constantly trying to do. Universities, the internet, and any place where different people can come together and share their differences, are very heavily under threat from SJWs because they claim to be a moral authority, and nothing motivates people against something more than denouncing it as immoral. Just look at inter racial marriage, homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion, sex before marriage etc, the people opposing all of those things claimed it was immoral and wrong to allow them and it prevented them for centuries
A moral argument should always be ignored because there is no one true morality, there is always a grey area, and equally valid opposition.
They are political activists, its time they were recognised as such
>>5390952
>Yes but I'm taking the word back from you shitlords.
Well I don't think it works that easily when majority associates it with something certain. As the label "geek" started as someone who was unsociable and extremely devoted to something and then an insult to guys who have lot of computer knowledge, the modern meaning is something else.
>>5391564
SJWs are against Objectivity as a concept. A fundamental SJW idea is that the majority of history and science is actually narrative created by white cis straight patriarchy in order to continue oppressive societal norms. Thats why they want a "feminist view of history/science/etc".
You really dig into it, it borders on teleology. All they really want to say is "History is a better story when I add my headcannon."
>>5390952
*you're
>>5390952
>US foreign policy and funding
Okay Alex Jones you need to stop huffing the gasoline for today
>>5390952
ISIS isn't the main problem, the main problem is a book called quran which tells muslims to throw stones at us.
The worst is when they bitch about cultural appropriation. It's like saying ideas should not be transmitted or communicated.
I can see if you are mocking somebody but if you are genuinely picking up something useful that was developed by another culture, go for it. It will literally bring on the dark ages if the Sjws had their way.
Also I notice how these people often perpetuate racism or the other issue the hate with their obsession with it. They need conflict, tension, drama. They need to feel morally superior to someone.
Just as shadow cannot exist without light, Sjws cannot exist without "muh oppression"
>>5393634
Theyre also quite racist in the sense that they do genuinely just decide what a person is allowed to do based on their race.
A white person born and raised in japan is a part of japanese culture, and would likely adhere to some japanese customs. Similarly a japanese person born and raised in the US would be more familiar with US culture. However, and SJW would still say the japanese person born in the US has more of a right to japanese culture and tradition than the white person born in Japan, based purely on ethnicity
And theyre all incredibly obsessed with power, and power structure, and systems of oppression. I've never seen an ideology quite so obsessed with the balance of power and redistributing it in their favour. They dont see people any more, they see where their rhetoric tells them power is (whether it really is there or not), and they see where the rhetoric says it isnt and they make all their decisions based on that. They view themselves as the out group, the ones without power, and cis, straight, white males, are the ones with the power, regardless of literally any other factor.
Many go as far to say that it isnt sexist to blatantly be sexist towards a male, and it isnt racist to be racist towards a white. Ive even seen some that genuinely revel in the thought that they might one day get to oppress the cis white male oppressor, because they are deserving of it, regardless of what any individual has done.
Its the same loony tactics the Nazis used, and the KKK. Declare a part of the population isnt deserving of the same rights you have, maybe declare theyre not even human, and then you can do whatever you like to them, and its okay withing the scope of your ideology. It's pretty sick really.
The fuck is a non-binary? There are males and female's. what else is there?
>>5393712
Hit the nail on the head anon.
Sjws are tacitly part of the systems they overtly claim to oppose. It's domination by other means. They reach a point that just like for example nazis say "Aryans" are innately better, on arbitrary terms, they say some groups are physically and deterministically oppressor scum and others are oppressed and therefore morally all is forgiven for them.
In short, it's no matter what the surface bullshit may seem, the underlying core of bullshit is the same. "Accept my views or else."
Any ideology acting to coerce people into their views involuntarily is unjustified, let alone unsustainable (because people will never be truly loyal to what they don't genuinely believe and are just coerced into believing.)
>>5393324
The bible (especially the old testament/torah) has tons of heinous shit in it too. You are conflating the actions of extremists in a deeply regressive culture with the religion they happen to follow. There are buddhist terrorists too.
>>5393792
>Any ideology acting to coerce people into their views involuntarily is unjustified
It is particularly sick, that anyone (particularly a famous woman) who does not declare Feminism as the one true religion, gets attacked and harassed until theyre beaten back into line.
Yet these people have the audacity to claim they are the ones being harassed.
There are entire blogs dedicated to gathering and distributing the personal information of people who publicly speak out against SJWs and feminists, so they can attempt to get these people fired from their places of work, to silence them
Its a very old tactic in civil law, if someone says something that you dont like, sue them (or counter sue if theyre sueing you), not to settle the matter or to take their money, but to force them into costly legal battles that they cant afford. Similarly, if someone says something you dont like, harass their employer til theyre fired to cut off their income
>>5393802
Didn't the Buddhist terrorists arise in response Muslim terrorists?
>Not voting Green Party
>Not voting Jill Stein in 2016
Just hand in your legbutt cards now
>>5394363
>not voting for a third party
Literally killing your democracy.
>>5394363
>Green Party
>>5394148
True that, same with the Hindu "terrorists" rising up against Islam.
What do you expect when your prophet is a warlord? What pisses me off is people conflate equality of race to equality of religion. Um no, not all ideas are good, some do objective harm.
Tfw liberal but against Islam
>>5394455
>Um no, not all ideas are good, some do objective harm.
This is what too many liberals can't wrap their head around. Ideas feed into value systems, which establish mutually exclusive zones of control and influence.
You just can't have a value system that says "accept everybody" when some people behave in some ways that contradict that principle.
Only a fool would accept someone who rejects you. That person is your enemy. Enemies, like it or not, are part of reality.
Liberals try to be friends with everybody, they are conflict adverse. It brings them to the point where they will shake hands with those who would stab them in the back by ruining what they love as cherish; by refusing to reciprocate the equanimity that was offered.
Bad ideas have destructive consequences. Belief systems that yield destructive consequences are bad. The mandate of survival dictates this truth, no matter what silly compromises an overweened idealist might want to make.
yeah... i'm pretty left leaning and i used to be kind of understanding about it, or try to be anyway... but it's gotten so extreme and insane and it's popping up everywhere and they just group up and harass people even going so far as stalking, like what happened to the person who posted above about the color run. it's fucking insane. and they're all so angry about issues that don't even effect them. i'm tired of being called truscum (by cis ppl even) for saying my experience as a trans woman isn't the same as some 40 y/o man who posts butthole pics in rainbow socks on tumblr. it's soooo out of hand. i can't even.
>>5394455
>>5394148
I think islam is more flawed than most other religions, but what you're saying simply isn't true.
Buddhist terrorists in Burma are going against all religious minorities. The difference is that the Christian, and most other minorities, have raised militias and are fighting back, so they're more often than not left alone. However the Rohingya have chosen not to take arms and are being ground into the fucking dirt. I don't care what you think about islam, but what's happening in Burma is absolutely disgusting and the fact that you're defending it is even worse.
>>5394987
>and the fact that you're defending it is even worse.
Who said anything about defending it?
Can I ask a question? What is the problem with the supposed "SJW" line of thinking that you all have? I personally feel really strongly about things like police brutality, corporations committing crimes, military invadership, increasing mental health options for treatment, protecting LGBT rights, and protecting culture from homogenization and whitewashing. Like, what about "SJWs" makes you say that there is no valitity to these movements to stop these things? Isnt there any self facement when you yourselves have benefited from so called "SJW" projects like gay rights and removing the Defense of Marriage Act?
>>5396202
Because you're talking about the actions of Social Justice Advocates, not Social Justice Warriors. However,
>and protecting culture from homogenization and whitewashing.
Is a gray area that I have seen used as an excuse to harm or put down entire swathes of people in the name of "punching upwards".
People who campaign against legitimate social injustices are different from people who use social injustices as an excuse to manipulate other people into feeding their need to be seen as morally superior by putting down other people that go against the groupthink. The former would be satisfied if there were no more social injustices, while the latter would feel compelled to create new injustices or see injustice where none previously existed just so they still have something to feel good about.
>>5396445
I think Im seeing the problem now. A lot of people on this board seem to hate social justice, but they have this idea that there are extremists that go too far and become like MRAs or TRPs or GooberGaters.
I can tell you that in reality "SJWs" do not exist. THeyre mostly the consppiracy theories of people like the GooberGate crowd.
I think youre also confusing "punching up" and "punching down" with cultural appropriation in a weird way: its not that white people are banned from eating chinese food or something ridic like that, its more complicated: its the hegomenic culture taking important customs or rituals or clothing or traditions from another smaller culture in an act of consumerism. It basically is like taking somethign that means a lot to a culture, like a bindi or kimono, and macing a McDonalds copycat of it.
I don't really understand your last paragraph but Im tired.
SJWs are cancer.
>>5396755
>I can tell you that in reality "SJWs" do not exist. THeyre mostly the consppiracy theories of people like the GooberGate crowd.
You are completely delusional. The fact that SJWs exist is a verifiable, observable reality. They don't CALL themselves SJWs, but that's the point: SJW is a derogatory term used to describe the kind of people I mentioned in my last post. Why would they call themselves by an insulting label others have given them?
>MRAs
MRA just stands for Men's Rights Advocate. There is nothing inherently negative or extreme about the term. Likewise, there are plenty of perfectly sensible people in GG. Just like with Feminism, the loudest voices tend to be the most obnoxious ones, and are the reason why the entire group is tarred with a negative image.
>I think youre also confusing "punching up" and "punching down" with cultural appropriation in a weird way
There is literally nothing wrong with "cultural appropriation". No, not even if it's a more dominant culture borrowing elements from a less dominant one. Cultures have "appropriated" things from adjacent cultures for as long as the concept of culture has existed. Modern society is the result of countless cultures appropriating things from one another, of the conquerors appropriating from the conquered and vice-versa. Culture is not a static entity that exists in a vacuum. If you believe in the concept of a multicultural society, then you must acknowledge that all the component cultures within that society will appropriate things from one another simply by being in close proximity. You can't change that, you can't stop it, and challenging it is a futile effort that signifies nothing besides your stubborn rejection of history.
>I don't really understand your last paragraph but Im tired.
SJWs are people who are more concerned with being perceived by their in-group as "good people" than they are with actually being good people.
>>5396909
Ugh, going through point by point:
No, "SJWs" do not exist.The only thing radical about social justice is that it goes against cultural norms which are locked in the past, like equal pay for equal work. Weve become accustomed to things like "men are the breadwinners, women need to work" or "LGBTs are all just perverts and the minority" that we think people who stand up and say "thats not right" are crazy, but a toad in a well only sees part of the sky.
Why do some people ironically call themselves "SJWs"? For fun. Its a means of reclaiming words from harassers. "Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you." It pisses them off and gets them off our backs and becomes our own little in joke. Its like killallmen-- nobody ACTUALLY wants to kill all men, but even male feminists understand its satire.
>MRA just stands for Men's Rights Advocate. There is nothing inherently negative or extreme about the term.
Ughhhhh
>Likewise, there are plenty of perfectly sensible people in GG.
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Feminism is tarred with a negative image from people like Donald Trump and Bill Oreilly. The radical notion that women are people is not something that can be twisted negatively except by the truly assholish of society.
And honestly there is a problem with cultural appropriation. There just is. When you say cultures appropriate things from adjecent cultures, yeah, they appropriate them at the barrel of a gun and force them to destroy their idols and bring them to prisons where they have to read the bible or they dont get food. And adjecent in this case I guess means a continent wide. Modern society is a result of conquerors appropriating from the conquered and this is a good thing? Its like saying "Hey we got to this point of society by polluting, so pullition is great!" We know better now, we should stop. I believe in a multicultural society, but a melting pot is just white mush-- a tossed salad allows you to see every ingredient's colors shine.
>>5397002
I ran out of space but my point is about cultural appropriation, if your culture had been destroyed by another and then they just started wearing your sacred headgear to frikken music concerts because "OMG I look so cute in feathers" youd be pissed, right?
>>5397011
I actually have a picture that explains that point more.
>>5397002
Why are you even here when >>/tumblr/ is your true home?
>>5397002
This is a joke, right? I mean, this is you providing the thread with an example of what an SJW is, right?
>>5397002
>ugh
>Uggghhh
>UGGGHHHH
The only thing this post is missing is "It's [CURRENT YEAR]!" to be an absolutely perfect satire of the average SJW. You're on the internet, why are you grunting inarticulately?
>>5397012
My ancestors came from Africa, so...
>>5396755
>its the hegomenic culture taking important customs or rituals or clothing or traditions from another smaller culture in an act of consumerism
What you fail to see is that some people become so frenzied about trying to defend legitimate instances of this kind of infraction that they generalize to whole populations and conflate "an act of consumerism" with basically any activity commited by some group they don't like, such as "muh cis straight white men".
There are people--Sjws, who legit want to attack and disparage whole groups of people simply for existing, in the spirit of "showing the oppressor what it feels like."
But they end up just annoying the shit out of innocent people and even hurting others (reputationally or emotionally).
And I'm not defending people's right to hold on to bigoted attitudes that don't contribute anything. I'm attacking the use of social justice as a pretext to establish a kind of special status for yourself as a moral superior authority, when you genuinely don't care about the issue and are just acting out of opportunism and attention-seeking.
A sjw is like a chaos mutated version of a respectable civil rights activist, or other representative of worthy values.
>>5397002
>>5397012
The anger there would be legitimate, but the thing is, that kind of appropriation has happened all throughout history when peoples were conquered. It's not something strictly limited to white people, it's not because white people are just more evil. Conquests like that happened all over the place, and one way of another humans have a warlike history, and all alive today are decended from conquerers.
When the Europeans conquered North America they merely stopped the conquest of Indigenous tribes by other tribes in the process of conqueroring them.
In the book/show The Man in the High Castle, this same thing happens to white Americans living in the pacific states after the Japanese win ww2. White American history becomes tokenized and mere window dressing to the ruling Japanese elite.
>>5397002
uhg stop trigger me cishet fucker
>>5393743
There isn't anything else. They're just trying to be the most specialist snowflake of all.
>>5397186
This. It's not like the evil whites came and purged the nation of peaceful cultures. Those cultures got there in the first place by fighting with and killing other peoples, then incorporating elements of the cultures of those they defeated into their own. That's just how culture evolves, regardless of race.
>>5397036
>>5397043
>>5397067
>>5397204
Im not being mean to you.
>>5397107
Your "frienzied" is people who are passionate about culture, oftentimes THEIR culture, that is being converted into an easily digestible plaything for naive individuals. Your dig that complaining about "cis straight white men" says more about you and your position than anything else, and this is an LGBT board.
Showing oppressors what it feels like is not what is happening, there is nobody chainging white people up and making them work as slaves, there are no measures to make men only earn 73 cents for every dollar a woman makes, there is no laws in place saying you can legally murder a cis person. Thats one of the biggest positives of jokes like #killallmen, it shows how sensitive AND BLIND men are.
Some people will be annoyed when told they are wrong, but its up to them to react to being shown the errors of their ways as best they can or as worst they can. Were not teachers, the tools are all at their finger tips, and its not an insult to say to some dumb little white girl wearing a bindi and saying "Dont I look cute!" that theyre actually appropriating something very important to an entire culture. Do you yell at people who tell you you have something in your teeth? Even more absurdly, are those people hurthing you, reputationally or emotionally? Speaking of emotional, the most emotional people are definitely the people who yell about "SJWs". Look at GooberGate and see the response they have for people just saying "We would like more women as main characters". Look t the MRAs who try to shut down rape counselling meetings because theyre directed towards women and not men.
And as far as the perspective that social justice advocates have a special moral superiority, Id just say that reality has a liberal bias, and what might be seen as "opportunism and attention-seeking" is people not being able to take "youre wrong" for an answer.
>>5398357
Ugh, I meant to delete "Your dig that complaining about "cis straight white men" says more about you and your position than anything else, and this is an LGBT board." I thought it sounded stupid and Im sorry I forgot, just busy.
>>5398357
Dear god, it's like looking at stereotype given concrete form. This is truly remarkable.
>>5398357
>Some people will be annoyed when told they are wrong, but its up to them to react to being shown the errors of their ways as best they can or as worst they can.
That right there. The high-and-mighty presumption of being absolutely correct. That your ideology is gospel, and that non-believers are simply misguided at best or malevolent at worst. That is what I'm talking about.
>>5389873
Why are you such a retard?
>>5398357
>there are no measures to make men only earn 73 cents for every dollar a woman makes
You can't even fact check easily disproved myths and we're supposed to take you as the informed party?
>>5388487
I'm extremely left and I don't get along with SJWs because they're authoritarian as fuck and I'm more like "bring lawlessness and the wasteland" u kno
most of them aren't even who they say they are and have no business speaking for the people they try to speak for so they can fuck off
also there is discrimination against the disabled but most ppl on tumblr aren't disabled in any way they're just stupid
>>5390035
In my town there were a few businesses that refused to build ramps even though it was required.
Then they went full retard and installed too many ramps fucking up my friends building.
>>5399533
SJWs/Feminists basically rely on people not actually being informed. That they actively punish their own kind for openly questioning their dogma probably has something to do with it.
>>5398385
>>5399149
Again, Im not being mean to you, If you have a question about feminism or something, I can set you in the right direction, but just saying "Fuck you and die" is just disgusting.
I can help you if you would like to know or learn about feminism, but I cant do anything to your reponses because theyre just insults.
>>5398422
IThat is what IM talking about. Im talking about the likes of GooberGate, MRAs, TRP, KIA and TIA. You take any member of them, you give them the facts, and they outright deny it while saying its a feminist conspiracy.
And the image you posted, its a tumblr blog. While many people use tumblr to signal boost and get help for horrible things, there are tons and tons of instances where GooberGaters, MRAs, TRPs, the rest just lie to make themselves seem like they are attacked by "SJWs".
Look at this https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/the-life-and-death-and-life-and-death-of-claire-sc
https://storify.com/x_glitch/who-the-hell-is-claire-schumann
Basically a sockpuppet account of a GooberGater pretends to be harassed by an anti-harassment advocate in order to stir up drama and make pretend that "SJWs" threaten rape and harassment. Its all just a big lie.
This is a world where unless you spout drivel like "Feminism isn't equality, I want Equalism!" and stuff like that, when women are raped more, woemn are paid less, and women are taught to normalize violence against them with things like "He just likes you" when boys beat up girls in schools. Like today a gross fighting fucktoy was let into Smash. Why is GooberGate pretending this is about journalism still when I guess what they really wanted was to force women out of playing Smash? Everyone on my feed is depressed and yet GooberGaters are CELEBRATING. Show them their hipocracy, what do they say? Well, like you say, they have The high-and-mighty presumption of being absolutely correct.
IDK Im depressed havent eaten breakfast yet so I cant clear my brain. Be back later maybe.
>>5401139
>1
I didnt mean to say YOU were spouting driivel like the thing I said, I meant a more general you for society. I need my morning tea...
>>5391528
Not him, but holy hell i agree.
>>5401139
Not to make this thread about an internet movement that I care precious little about, but what do you have to say to the women that do support Gamergate? From what I've been able to find, some of them are even feminists themselves.
>>5401139
> Like today a gross fighting fucktoy was let into Smash.
Oh honey, you did NOT just call my girl Bayonetta a "fighting fucktoy". Get the hell out of here with your bullshit.
>I guess what they really wanted was to force women out of playing Smash?
Well I'm excited because I get to look forward to my new main, so I guess it isn't working?
>>5401139
See, this arrogance is what sets people on edge about feminism. You speak like an evangelical, here to convert rather than discuss. You're not being actively mean, but that doesn't mean you're above criticism. I find your attitude insulting and your points ill informed and warped by bias. You know nothing about gaming culture, yet condemn it without understanding it. Do you actually vidya?
You people automatically assume the stories about radfems being terrible are wrong because feminists are perfect and completely without fault. Yet you jump down people's throats for daring to question a woman's account of anything, or for pointing out the wage gap is due to some women choosing rewarding but low paying jobs like social work.
Take Plebcomics (visiting /co/mrade here). The author draws some comics mocking Tumblr culture and anti-GG, and the radfems doxx her workplace and got her fired. There are liars in the crowd, but feminists conveniently label everyone as sock puppets incapable of thinking for themselves, thus enabling their flawless narrative.
>>5402861
I think it's the blatant dishonesty that really gets to me the most. Like, if they just owned up to the fact that they've got some seriously heinous people in their midst, I might be able to sympathize with them on some level. But the lengths to which they will go to support even the worst among them is nothing if not horrifying. Doxxers, harassers, even confirmed pedophiles; so long as they follow the ideology lockstep with everyone else, there is no evil they can commit that they will not be forgiven for, assuming said evils aren't simply ignored outright. And then they have the gall to call out other groups for having terrible people in them, as if their shit smells like roses!
It's sickening.
I don't like SJWs because they remind me of the pro-commies during the Cold War. But back then majority of people were able to have some sanity and openly voice their intolerance towards it. I think in western cultures there will always be people that latch onto something they see as better than ours. The college kids who label everyone that don't agree as uncultured swines(now it's privileged white men). Now it's Islam, but because we have became so PC it's not possible to say you don't want to tolerate it even though it's similar totalitarian and power hungry ideology as communism and Nazism.
I see myself as rather tolerant and peaceful person, but there are limits to it. Who knows, maybe eventually I will be proven wrong. But I will always remember the people who also labeled communism as peaceful and tolerant thing while ignoring the texts about violent revolution(which I compare to jihad).
>>5402958
>Grown-ass men and women harassing and threatening a 10-year-old with more common sense and integrity than them
Stop this ride, I want to get off
>>5403207
There are no bad tactics, only bad targets. That kid was asking for it. :^)
>>5401139
>Why is GooberGate pretending this is about journalism still when I guess what they really wanted was to force women out of playing Smash?
I'm not saying those people are all saints and lot of them do it only because they have personal issues with women, there are lot of assholes online in general. But I don't think GG is about men against women and vice versa - after all there are men and women on both side. I think it's about libertarians VS authoritarians.
I recommend reading(though I think term "cultural Marxism" is overused meme at this point):
http://mitrailleuse.net/2014/09/19/intellectual-bullying/
I don't get why it became such a big thing. There are cases when revolution is needed. African-American Civil Rights Movement was one of them, it was necessary social justice. But "oppression of women" in videogames? Honestly seems like a non-issue, just like modern first world LGBT community sometimes tries too hard these days.
>>5403323
I don't get the obsession from both sides. There is this guy in Houston who writes for the Houston Press. He is obsessed with gamer gate. OMG what people did to him was so mean.
Calling CPS. Posting picks of his children. Calling false police reports on his house. Why do all that?
>>5390952
>In 1924, was it authoritarian to ban the Nazi Party by the German Republic?
Yes, and look where that got them.
>>5403367
>Why do all that?
Wait, if that's the guy I'm thinking of, weren't people doing it in the response to the fact that he sent a picture of his underage daughter to a self-professed pedophile?
>>5397012
This picture is fucking stupid. Nobody has any control over whatever bad things their ancestors did.
Literally anything is "cultural appropriation" now, I wouldn't be surprised if BDSM was soon to be judged not because it's seen as immoral act but because it showcases slavery culture.
>>5403435
Ugh anon, how can you be so insensitive? If we don't make up for all the evil our ancestors have wrought, who will?
>>5403491
Well speaking of stupid SJW shit in the BDSM community, there was that time a woman was turned away from a gay orgy at a private event. Apparently that was "problematic" and "exclusionary".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-barry/international-mr-leather-_b_5413155.html
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/06/02/breaking-woman-not-wanted-at-gay-orgy-must-credit-huffpo
>>5403403
That was the allegation anyway. I don't think he seems like someone like that. He is a bit SJW though.
>>5403557
Europeans became violent after centuries of being oppressed by an Asiancentric world that was constantly beating them down through enslavement, colonization, and hatred for being of a different ethnicity. To blame the whites for lashing out is no different than blaming the modern black community for their violence. Systematic oppression has made white people the "evil" you claim they are and you must recognize your yellow privilege if we're ever going to end this cycle of racial abuse
>>5397012
But my ancestors couldn't have because they were in Lithuania until the early 1900's. Does this mean I can wear Native American costumes?
>>5405624
What are you talking about anon, all white people everywhere were never oppressed by anyone else. What? There was no Barbary slave trade, what are you talking about?
OMG asking for a non obscenity filled screaming is tone policing by white people. LOL Jef with one f. Your friends list if fucked whack.
Im late responding because honestly Im not looking forward to this. Its miserable. Holiday is just shitty, and now Im dealing with this.
>>5402305
After GooberGate started a hashtag for driving women/PoC/LGBT voices out of gaming, they made #NotYourShield. The argument by that hashtag was taht women/PoC/LGBT were being used by Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu, ad the rest of their targets as shields. Hashtaggers were, at a glance and without looking deeper, people who were not the same straight white male gamers that GooberGate was p much 100%.
Then, boom, Zoe Quinn shows that she had been monitoring GooberGate's plans, released the plan that revealed that Gamergate was in fact a coordinated attack directed at herself lead by Eron Gonji, how they wanted to also attack Anita Sarkeesian for criticizing white straight male hegemony, and anyone else viewed as "SJWs". It completely and totally showed it was not at all what it claimed to be, which is where the "actually its about ethics in game journalism" meme came from. Zoe's infodump exposed #NotYourShield as an astroturf troll campaign involving GooberGate creating sockpuppets that used just stockphotos from google, it was really pathetic.
Now, before anyone grabs their phone and takes a selfie, let me just say that yes, their propaganda tactic actually convinced SOME women/PoCs/LGBT to also take a stand at what they saw was tokenism and white knighting by people against GooberGate. These are important issues ot talk about, even though in most cases they are light and the people doing them didnt realize it and just needed a heads up. Those people have 99% dropped #NotYourShield after they themselves became targets of GooberGate, who are SHARKS when it comes to devouring anyone who says ANYTHING against them. THey ruined this one girls life who made a really disgusting video making fun of Anita Sarkeesian and she denounced them. They doxxed several black PoCs after they showed support for Ferguson and Baltimo
>>5406816
>you actually care this much about a shitty internet meme blown out of proportion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dbR2JZmlWo
I hate that there are limits to what I can post. Whatever, I answered to the person who asked about #NotYourShield
>>5402407
Just because YOU like something doesnt mean EVERYONE likes something. Even if you rae a woman, you have to admit that MANY women are sick of in your face hyper sexualized women who are made to be male fantasies. If you have a game like Smash and it doesnt have a fighting fucktoy, then the only people who are NOT going to play it are creepers who ONLY play games to see hyper sexual females. If it does have her, then the people who cant play it are the people who are sensitive to the representation of women as male centric objects. THats a bigger portion. Why does everyone else have to live to YOUR standards? "Just tough it up" is not an excuse to people who struggle every day with representational issues, but not having a bimbo in a game doesnt make it unplayable.
>>5402861
I am not an evangelical because Im not christian. This doesnt mean Im atheist, either, because atheism is basically disgusting, but thats another issue. Im mostly here to talk about GooberGate and women's issues.
And I just want to say that Pleb DOXXED HERSELF and then claimed she was doxxed. I mean, she is just an idiot who thinks rape isnt a big deal and told a rape victim to kill herself. I really dont understand why GooberGaters point to the WORST people and say "But what about them?"
>>5402958
This image has been reposed EVERYWHERE and its old news. Basically this is what happened: someone went into a hashtag made to signalboost women's issues and started saying "But seriously, rape is hilarious". Who teh fuck does that? Look, rape is the worst thing that can happen to a woman, and I understand this is something men cant understand but they feel like they can, but its worse than anything, worse than death. Joking about it triggers people, YES like soldiers, because ITS JUST AS AWFUL. To say that its OK to joke about rape is just... sick. sick sick sick.
>>5406826
Can you not reply to me until Im done replying to everyone else? I have a lot of people who are before you.
>>5403323
"But I don't think GG is about men against women and vice versa - after all there are men and women on both side. I think it's about libertarians VS authoritarians. "
First of all, I posted already about how #NotYourShield was bullshit. Seciond, Libertarian is just another word for Conservative. Rand Paul used to be a Libertarian, and Libertarians are way closer politically to Donald Trump, Jeb Bush, George Bush, and the rest of the Republicans. Its just another way of saying "Im a Republican".
And saying ""oppression of women" in video games" is not a big issues is what a LOT of people said in the African-American Civil Rights Movement. "You have your freedom, you want to VOTE AND BE PAID EQUALLY TOO? Its not a big issue, jsut count your blressings for what you have!" In fifty years society will catch up and see that its p disgustting what we to with women in games. There was a game released recently that is all about drugging and raping women, and that i ssick when you think that games are made primarily for young boys.
>>5403435
YOU have all of the advantages granted to you by what your ancestors did. We are not saying you need leaglly be fired or paid less or cant get education, we are simply pointing out that everyone should have a fair share, so why not make sure everything is fairly spread out in terms of how the actual world is represented. Women are far less likely to enter STEM, PoCs are far less likely to even get a degree. If we said "Look, there has to be equal pay, equal degrees in all fields, equal acceptance rates", then everyone is treated the same. THATS equal.
>>5403568
Look the BSDM community is in a rough spot. Fifty Shades of Grey is apparently REALLY wrong about a lot of what happens in it, but BSDM has super big problems with consent and dominant/submissive power structures.
>>5405635
White people as a whole have beneffitted from being white. White people were never oppressed in any point in history for being WHITE and I emphasize that because yes white people oppressed other white people but not because they were white. There was no concentration camps for white people that werent made for white people, no slavery for white people that wasnt made by white people, and all the other things.
I typed enough for like an entire school essay and Im so tired. I hate the holidays so much, just be nice people.
>>5406934
>>5406925
>>5406866
>>5406816
You are such a perfect caricature that I refuse to believe you are real.
>>5405635
>63
And also I just looked up Lithuania when I first wrote my post so I didnt see but you said that your parents didnt come until the early 1900s, like there are wayyyyyyyyy still tons of really horrible things that happened to Native American Tribes during that time, and just by living here you are taking advantage of the oppression of what has been done to and is done to them. BEsides, its still taking a super important cultural heritage object and basically turning it into a Mickey Mouse hair clip, which is really not cool at all. So I mean I am pretty sure this was just an attemtpp to try and one up me but like it actually holds no water at all.
>>5406954
I typed all thisout for you whena all I am getting is hate and hate and hate. Not a single person in this thread agreas with me about anything. As I said before, can we all jsut be nice? Honestly..
>>5406976
>Not a single person in this thread agreas with me about anything.
Maybe you should take a moment to reflect upon why that might be.
What the hell wat was my even point. Every GooberGater says "Oh just talk with us we want a discussion" and you say "Oh well here is everything about feminism and here is where games make woemen feel unsafe and how this is actually really transphobic" and their response is "GO DIE WE HATE YOU HERES A VIDEO OF A PINK GUY TELLING YOU TO KIL YOURSELF" and that is what you get for taking them seriously. Like ghazi has a really good reason to autoban people just" looking for a discussion."
>>5406985
Because its fucking 4chan and even though some of your friends said that it used to be good and they even send you some screenshopts of 4chan threads that shit on GooberGate its actually just GooberGate HQ? I guess that might be a reason I dunno.
Please give the SJW movement a break. I mean it started years ago, probably before a lot of you were even born. What have you got against the Sino-Japanese War in particular anyway?
>>5406934
You have a very poor understanding of history.
>>5407010
Why are you talking like a child? And could you have made it any more painfully obvious that you're from Reddit?
>>5406866
>and I understand this is something men cant understand but they feel like they can, but its worse than anything, worse than death.
Did you just imply that men can't be raped?
>>5407556
God, this is the probably one of the msot annoying memes GooberGate throws up.
It is impossible for a man to be raped AS A WOMAN in society. Women who are raped are ostracized, denied justice, and attacked, and their rapists are rarely, if ever, punished for their crimes. Yes is it theorietically possible for men to be raped, but they can never be raped as a woman.
This comic represents this social dynamic in play.
>>5407813
>Women who are raped are ostracized, denied justice, and attacked, and their rapists are rarely, if ever, punished for their crimes.
Men who are raped are mocked, in some cases told what they experienced wasn't even rape at best or told that they were "lucky" at worst (if the perpetrator was a female), male rape is considered a punchline in mainstream entertainment, and rape culture is practically institutionalized in the prison system. Male rape victims do not have anywhere near the same societal support that female rape victims do.
I don't even know what the fuck this "GooberGate" thing even is, but consider me fucking triggered.
>>5390952
>In 1924, was it authoritarian to ban the Nazi Party by the German Republic?
Yes. And "banning" their party ultimately helped their appeal. Not only was it ineffective, it was completely counter-productive.
Look at europe for current expamles. In many countries there is hate speech legislation and people are burning mosques. Take france for example, where the nationalist party has made massive gains.
Trying to silence your enemies will fail, be it through policing language or banning ideas, and it will only galvanize them.
>>5406934
>all of human history started ~500 years ago when white people managed to climb to the top of the racial totem pole after thousands of years of being shat on by Asians
How can anyone believe this?
>>5406934
Irish people for the longest time were considered less then human by most of eastern europe.
At one point in time you would receive a harsher sentence for killing a black slave then an irish slave. This is because blacks were viewed as useful, where as the irish were known for being lazy and useless.
This went on for a while, well into the 20th century, until the irish fought for their rights.
Irish people are white, and are still treated like shit.
There are other examples, but just saying, you are pretty retarded.
>>5407982
The notion of "white people" being a thing isn't even that old.
>>5407907
Most of what youre talking about is patriarchy backfiring against itself. Yes, men who are raped are mocked. By who? Men. Yes, men who are raped by women (which I need to point out is like 0.00000000000000000000001% of any rape) are considered "lucky". This is why sex positivity can lead to some fucked up responses to tragic happenings, and sex positivity is a male endevour. Yes, male rape is considered a punchline in mainstream entertainment.S o is female rape, and its way more prevelant, and even when its not treated as a punchline, its treated as an cheap way of character development (like Game of Trhones). Yes, rape culture is practically institutionalized in the prison system. Lets talk about the demographics of prisons, and youll see why the white majority population doesnt give two shits.
And male rape victims DO have societal support: theyre called feminists. If they opened themselves up to feminism, they could have all teh support they want or need, and weve been dealing with this for a long time. Weve dealt with EVERYTHING that men who are raped deal with, the mocking tone, being told we were "asking for it" which is p much the same as saying "Oh you were lucky", rape as punchline or vengeance or character trait, and rape as punishment.
And if you dunno about GooberGate, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy
>>5406934
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
>>5408001
I cant find it, but MedievalPOC debunked the "irish people were oppressed" myth. Its a connspiracy theory made by TRP, MRAs, and GooberGaters. You can search for it.
>>5408014
>If they opened themselves up to feminism
You're sounding like a fucking cultist, my god.
>>5408029
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I should cite my sources. Here
http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/
>>5408034
This is not an argument, this is just shit flinging. Again, why do MRAs and TRP sand GooberGaters keep saying "All we want is a conversation" and then when you try to talk to them its just "Youre a cultist feminism is a cult". YES, if they opened themselves up to feminism, theres a huge support structure because, again, RAPE IS SOMETHING FEMINISM HAS DEALT WITH A LOT. Can you tell me thats not true, or that there are better ways to get help made by fucking GooberGaters that are better?
>>5408014
None of what you just posted refutes my point whatsoever. I did not make any mention of the reasons behind any of that shit, I was stating unequivocally then men could know what it feels like to be raped in the same way that women feel when they are raped, something you stated was not actually possible because of things that MALE RAPE VICTIMS ALSO EXPERIENCE. In fact, in this very post you basically admitted that I was correct and instead started trying to explain away all of those things by pinning them on a nebulous external force. All you have done is move the goalposts to avoid admitting that you made a crass and disgusting comment that denies and diminishes the traumatic experiences of male rape victims.
What's the feminist version of "mansplaining"? Because that is what you are doing right now.
>>5408026
Ugh god these are long articles Ill read them but the very first thing Ill say is anyone can edit Wikipedia and theres lots of articles on Wikipdiea that are not good because thye use bad narratology or bias to make their arguments, also llots of "sources" they cite are from a long line of sources that are based on racist ideas of what important history is. But yes I will read these.
>>5396202
>homogenization and whitewashing
SJWism literally is whitewashing.
Marcuse, adorno, foucault, butler, and marx are were all white and bougie as fuck. The entire foundation of their political philosophy is lilly white.
SJWs are most common in upper-middle class urban areas, which shouldn't surprise anyone. Their ideology is strongest in upper class academia, and it spreads from there like a tumor. Look at yale for gods sake.
Obviously there are minorities involved, but only the most whitewashed ones who are affluent and "educated."
Social justice is literally just "white people saving the world" with their superior sense of morality. It's neocolonialism, by and for white academia.
>>5408054
>but the very first thing Ill say is anyone can edit Wikipedia and theres lots of articles on Wikipdiea that are not good because thye use bad narratology or bias to make their arguments
So why should I trust this article?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy
>>5408036
>>5408029
Oh man, this thread has been an absolutely masterful troll. You've been leading these fuckers around for literal days from the looks of it, and as I read this thread I honestly thought that you might be a real person right up until this point. Well fucking played. I'm going to have to archive this fucker for posterity.
>>5408053
Youre not understanding at all.
Let me explain it this way: yes, a white person can be murdered. Yes, a black person could be the murderer. This is just as true when a black person is murdered by a white person. However, only the black person can be considered a victim of a HATE CRIME. This is the legal process.
So the same way that yes, a man can be raped just like a woman, that itself is not the same as when a man rapes a woman. That deosnt make murder or rape any less terrible, but the difference is real and apparent.
>>5408060
This is actually true, because a lot of GooberGaters fight tooth and nail every day to try and change the article. They got an editor of it fired by doxxing him and tried to dox the owner of Wikipedia himself after he said he would rpotect the article. Always take anything you read with a grain of salt because people will try to enforce their personal beliefs.
>>5408036
>tumblr blog as a source
>medievalPOC
>goobergater conspiracy
Jesus christ you are guys are just as full of shit as the stormweenies. Twice as crazy too.
>>5408069
>However, only the black person can be considered a victim of a HATE CRIME.
And why is that?
>So the same way that yes, a man can be raped just like a woman, that itself is not the same as when a man rapes a woman.
Why?
>>5408036
>http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/
Besides I don't see anything relating to the irish.
You were honestly hoping I wouldn't click the link would you?
You are truly pathetic.
>>5408060
I need to go into greater detail because I think youre saying its biased as its written.
What I mean to say is HISTORICAL or SCIENTIFIC articles are often based on biases. Think of it this way: in the 1800s, only white people were allowed to make art and it had to be about white people. Books were written back then abou the art and why it was good. Then a new generation comes about and they write new books, but they cite the old books. Then again and again and again until today, where all our citations and sources are based in the roots on racist texts.
That article has the owner of Wikipedia's seal of approval, its really torough, and has been constantly tried to be editted by GooberGaters since it was made, so its been through so much but continues to be used to this day, its good.
>>5408095
Maybe it wasnt MedievalPOC, but it was in a comment chain, I dunno. I mean I can google something for you but you can just look up Irish Racism Myth or something and find exactly what I would find.
>>5408096
>Think of it this way: in the 1800s, only white people were allowed to make art and it had to be about white people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlWmCXihec4
>>5408093
Because when a white person commits a crime against a PoC because of their skin color, its a racially motivated crime from the majority power against a minority underclass. Im fucking up the words and terms but my arm is hurting, I need to stretch. Anyway your second point is about th emetaphor, just like a black person who has a crime committed against them has less venues to which they can seek help because they have less venues to get help, what with our judicial and police system being prejudice against them, so do women have less ways of getting help from being raped by the system.
>>5408060
Blown the fuck out
>>5408054
You're seriously fucking stupid if you never heard of the arab slave trade. Saying that white people have never ever been oppressed is just false. The etimology of the word slave is literally a slav. If you think white people have been running shit forever you're miseducated. Civilization was literally created by sandniggers.
My ancestors owned white slaves on the arab side of my family.
Anyways I'm still not convinced you're not a troll.
>>5408096
>in the 1800s, only white people were allowed to make art
Is this what they teach on dumblr?
>>5408115
Arab Slave Trade is the people in Arab Emirates using slave labor from other arab countries? I really dont fucking care for your tone, but I dont understand what you mean. I know that Middle Easterners used to have a golden civilazition but that they lost it to Spain, but what do you mean about the etimology of the word slave is literally a slav.?
>>5408102
All it comes up with is blogposts.
Nothing of academic value.
You are full of shit.
>>5408096
The article's sources are mostly the publications that gg criticized.
That article has become a meme because it's the least neutral article on wikipedia. Even Hitlers article doesn't start with "Hitler was a genocidal warmonger who exterminated 6 million jews."
>>5408114
>Because when a white person commits a crime against a PoC because of their skin color, its a racially motivated crime from the majority power against a minority underclass.
So what about when a white person is in a non-white majority country and is attacked specifically because of their skin color / race?
>so do women have less ways of getting help from being raped by the system.
That is factually incorrect, for reasons I have already stated. It has been an uphill battle to even legally qualify "made to penetrate" cases as rape. We do not live in a "rape culture" as far as women are concerned. At a societal level we are conditioned to want to protect women. If a woman so much as accuses a man of rape, he is assumed to be guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion. If a man accuses a woman of rape, do you think that same courtesy is extended to him? Let me answer that question for you: no, it is most certainly not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_males#General_views_on_rape_of_males
Call it all a big plot by the "patriarchy" if you want, but don't be intellectually dishonest and try to claim that the West provides more support for male rape victims than female ones.
>>5408126
>but what do you mean about the etimology of the word slave is literally a slav.?
The Slavic peoples.
>>5408115
>Saying that white people have never ever been oppressed is just false
For the majority of human history, people of all races had almost no freedoms, even fucking whites.
Always ruled over by a handful of elites.
>>5408126
No, arabs enslaved all kinds of white people for hundreds of years. Along with other races. You're just extremely miseducated.
As i said earlier social justice is by and for white people, and it's only purpose is to provide a convenient way for white liberals to wash their hands of guilt and fight the boogeyman.
>be straight male troll from /pol/
>dating a hardcore tumblr SJW
I'm fucked aren't I? I have revealed my power level but she hasn't accused me of rape yet. I am scared of it though.
I'm fucking retarded.
>>5408218
You just have to ease her very gently into shallow end before guiding her into the deep end, anon. Don't spill your spaghetti all at once. Lead by example, don't try to convince her with facts or logic, those things don't work on women.
Also, why the hell are you on /lgbt/ looking for straight dating advice?
>>5406866
Way to completely miss the point. This is exactly what I was talking about. You warp everything in feminism's favor, even though there are terrible people along with the well intentioned. These adults doxxed a ten year old child, and you brush it off and ignore the crime they committed in favor of theoretical women who aren't even present in the argument. No matter what your opinion of the matter is, they deliberately hurt a real child.
How can you defend doxxing? Why is your knee-jerk reaction to anyone antiGG being threatened is to accuse them of lying? You give no one the benefit of the doubt, only the people on "your side".
>Im not an evangelical because Im not Christian
I meant that metaphorically, dumbass. An evangelical stands on a podium, trying to save the sinful nonbelievers from damnation. Just like you. You didn't come here to discuss, you just want to preach and convert people to the very cult-like brand of feminism you're ensnared in.
I really don't hate you man, you're too exhausting and now I just feel kind of bad for you. You obviously mean well, but I think you need to learn about objectivity and how to research properly instead of relying on unreliable sources. You're only a hindrance to the people you want to help when you don't.
>>5409016
I really hope that this has all just been an elaborate troll. The alternative, that this person actually holds such ironically intolerant views and is so heavily indoctrinated that they can't even see that what they're spouting is religion masquerading as social justice, is just too terrible to fathom.
>>5410027
I honestly don't think it's a troll. Embarrassing admission, but I used to be deep into the fempire on reddit. Lots of them were what I'd describe as /r9k/ posters who thought feminism would get them gfs. Others were legit insane people, but they were a minority (though some were high up in the chain, like moderators of the big subs). The most common normal people were shut ins (like me at the time) who did nothing all day every day (like me at the time) who would just read shitty feminism articles, talk to each other on Twitter, and watch cartoons and anime while thinking this was the lifestyle of a revolutionary. And contrary to belief, we all knew and had used 4chan, many of us were oldfags, but I and others thought we were too mature for it now or had outgrown it: we couldn't waste time on 4chan, we had to fight patriarchy on tumblr!!1!11one! But this person honestly sounds like any random sampling NEET SRS Ghazi spoop.
>>5388487
>trans people greatly contribute to the idea of "demiboy" concepts
>"I'm trans, I'm different, I hate sjws"
Reap what you sow
>>5410090
I suppose you're right. Simply pretending none of this is real won't help matter at all. It's better to admit that there ARE people like that and strive to drag them out into the light rather than continuing to pretend they're just harmless jokes. That attitude is what has allowed them to grow and fester to the point where they are capable of causing real-world harm. I just hope I live to see the day where SJWs are brought to justice themselves.
I keep seeing shit like "non-binary trans-girl". Like surely you cant be those three things at once?? Non binary but youre transgender and a girl?
>>5406866
>Why does everyone have to live up to YOUR standards
Because my standards - the standards that say it's stupid to be upset over sexy women in video games - are correct in this case, and yours are retarded. When I think about Muslim countries that deny women the right to vote and force them to wear burkas, I don't just say "well, the majority wants those standards, no problem there!" I say that those standards are retarded, and the minorities in those countries are right to fight to change them, whether the majority likes it or not. Same deal here. Sexy women in video games shouldn't upset you. If it does, I will call you a retard and laugh at you.
>>5410513
Never understood the argument about Anita et all being because of Gamergate or SJWs being popular because of antiSJWs.
I mean, is the antivaccination movement because were all so ready to criticize Jenny McCarthy? Would it go away if we ignored her? Would Donald Trump not be popular AT ALL if people who disagreed with him ignored him? Maybe less, but they weren't built by it.
I think it's just a way to shame people into not caring to argue back when insane people spout insane beliefs: "If you just let me say gays deserve death, everyone would think im just kooky and ignore me, but you tell me I'm wrong and that's the real reason I have a platform. Good job, fuckboy!"
>>5410689
Yeah, I don't get it either. Ignoring these things don't make them go away, it just lets them accrue power behind the scenes while nobody is really paying attention. If you force everyone to pay attention it's harder for them to get away with shit without repercussions or criticism.
>>5397012
You'd think a descendant of the Sioux or the Apache would be more sympathetic to the idea of conquering another people, stealing all their shit and wearing it to parties for kicks.
>>5399870
>In my town there were a few businesses that refused to build ramps even though it was required.
But that's not discrimination, that's just refusing to give a group special treatment.
>>5394987
>I think islam is more flawed than most other religions
Well it's the opposite.
Which is why it's so troublesome and hard to change.
>>5411154
>Well it's the opposite.
Wait, you mean you think most other religions are more flawed than Islam? Explain.
>>5408069
>only the black person can be considered a victim of a HATE CRIME
w-what?
If a black attacks a white on racial grounds it is a hate crime and it goes the other way
>>5411204
On paper, yes. In practice there seems to be a lot of hesitation to legally label racially-motivated black-on-white attacks as being hate crimes.
>>5411176
He means that *as a religion*, Islam has high degree of perfection; it's good at propagating itself. I hate faggy transhumanist terms like "memeplex", but maybe thinking of it that way would help? Islam is less flawed as a memeplex; something like Christianity is more flawed because it's more vulnerable to alteration and doesn't propagate as well. People won't blow themselves up for the sake of spreading Christianity, which in memetic terms is a flaw.
>>5411309
I gotcha. It's better at going viral, in other words, and infecting a susceptible population with its ideology. I can definitely see that, considering how it spread like an extremely violent wildfire not long after its inception.
>>5397012
My grandpa literally shook Hitler's hand. Does that make me a nazi? You sound religious; Original Sin and all, being born with guilt. I'm not into mysticism, sorry. I'd rather not be condemned by genetics to be a nazi but instead be my own person (that never even fucking met my grandpa and has never been influenced by him).
>>5398357
BINDIS DON'T MEAN SHIT TO HINDUS
>>5401139
Do you really not notice that you are doing to MRAs what you don't want others to do with feminism?
>>5406816
I was on /v/ during the inital gamergate debacle, and I can say with conviction that you are full of shit. It wasn't a coordinated attack, it was just like any huge "happening", just a bit bigger and more heartfelt. People were posting their ideas, others were helping out or ignoring them. Before notyourshield, there were plenty of (lgbt) anons voicing their anger with being called sockpuppets and talked over who brought forth the idea of some hashtag or something similar to tell others that no, they aren't talking for us. I was about to start a hashtag like it, for fucks sake, but just couldn't get into twitter.
Calling Bayonetta a fighting fucktoy should be a red flag anyway, though. You can't be serious. And this is coming from somebody who teaches media- and communication theories at an university. You people just have no real theoretical foundation. Focault, Barthes, McLuhan, all these writers are only on your site if you honestly have trouble with critical thinking and reading comprehension.
>>5410544
Trans means transitioning, so you can be either a transgirl or transboy. The only non-binary identities I personally believe in are "both" and "neither".
>>5413227
Wasn't the NYS thing pioneered by two black anons anyway?
Is the hatred of whites a form of self loathing with these people? I see virulent anti white, pro poc sentiments constantly among sjws. It seems that most of the hatred comes from white people themselves, or at the very least "white passing", as they tend to try to play up whatever non white background they may have(native, Hispanic, etc) I've actually seen quite virulent racism come from Hispanic people. I've met many a Puerto Rican who is quite racist, and Dominicans will get offended if you call them black
Another thing that grinds my gears is the redefining of racism. Despite institutional racism being a defined term, sjws claim racism is defined by oppression and lack of institutional power, and thus you can't be racist against white people according to them. They'll straight up deny the dictionary definition, accuse you of whitewashing or something similar for using it. I think it's somewhat ridiculous that in their redefining of racism they actually practice a form of racism in their anti white prejudice
Outside of leftist/sjw circles there isn't any kind of poc unity. People largely just stick to their own racial/ethnic kind. Sjws like making it out as poc vs white, with few whites controlling the institutions and the power. They have an obsession with power and oppression, viewing everything in these terms. It's ironic that the only other group besides sjws that lump people together in similar racial categories are white supremacists/white nationalists/other hate groups
>>5414460
It's just a form of status signaling. Within the SJW "tribe", privilege (or lack thereof) is everything. Therefor, for a white person to have power or status within the tribe, they must engage in constant self-flagellation so as to publicly atone for their own whiteness and therefor be accepted by the rest of the tribe. A white person that is proud of their own white heritage in the same way that a black person or Native American or Latino person is proud of theirs is effectively guilty of apostasy and banished from the tribe.
Of course, whites (specifically white women) remain the most powerful and influential within the SJW tribe in spite of this. They control the discourse and uplift themselves by stating they are doing so in the defense of "People of Color (PoC)". Within the SJW hierarchy they are ironically exactly what they criticize other whites of being at a societal level: masters and dictators of ideological thought.
>>5408126
No, they lost it when the Mongols blew them the fuck out.
Spain just kicked them out of Spain.
>>5396755
>niGGers and MRAs are extremist
>SJW, which have way more power and are way more vocal, aren't
fuck off
>>5417396
The greatest irony of all is that the average SJW has more social privilege, money and power than the kinds of people they most frequently belittle and attack (because if they ever actually went after someone with real power, they would be blown the fuck out).
>>5406866
You're trolling right? There's no way anyone could possibly be this obtuse and self-deluded, right?
>>5406976
>wahhh wahh stop disagreeing with me u meanies
Yep that's a tumblard all right. We gotta be more careful tiptoeing around Xir feelings.
https://youtu.be/4mRHVs_YgQM
>>5419247
Oh you poor, naive anon.
>>5388545
Yes but they are less functional human beings and therefore deserving of lesser treatment.
This thread has gotten too crazy. Ive come back to it several times, wanted to write replies, but I keep closing the tap and thinking "This isnt worth it". But its really nagging at me so can we just clean everything away and start again? Ask any questions you want, and I can tell you about Feminism, the myth about "SJWs", and anything else. I will not answer questions that are just trolling like "Why are you so stupid", and any claim about or dealing with racial/gendered identitiy should be contributed with some sort of picture and proof about the poster's race/gender, because as #NotYourShield shows us there are al ot of sockpuppets.
Ill admit I havent read the wikipedia pages that were posted because I have been busy but it you relink them with context I can look over them if it doesnt tak emuch time.
>>5406976
>can we all jsut be nice
>on 4chan
>>5424689
Why are you so stupid
>>5424689
So to be clear, you have not read what was linked, and you proactively call anyone disagreeing a troll/sockpuppet.
You expect us to accept your ideology. We meek sinner should ask questions and receive Answers. No questioning, of course, because you have The Truth © ® ™.
Why would we interact with you ? You're obviously indoctrinated.
>>5424755
Look, lets take this step by step.
Havent read what I was linked to because I have lost the train of the conersation. I had them opened up as tabs but I just count remember why they were there the next day. Sorry. I have a lot of things going on this Holiday.
I am NOT disagreeing with everyone proactively and ia m NOT Saying everyone is a troll/sockpuppet. However, it would strengthen people's arguments if they say "My father was Pakistani" or something if they actually showed they were, and like I said #NotYourShield has done a lot of damage to the conversation about race relations and such becasue so much of the conversation was diluted by sockpuppets/trolls and this is a way to prevent that.
I am not expecting anyone to accept ann ideology, but givng you all an opportunity to learn. In any case, why not find out whether the things you think about Feminsim are right? I spend a lot of time on this and know there are lots of people in this thread who are hammering the idea of the "SJW" which is nothing more than a straw feminist. I can help disprove that.
And the above is why you MIGHT WANT TO interact with me, in a polite and open manner best of all. Its not indoctrination, its learning.
>>5425183
>183 â–¶
>>>5424755
Although I was just thinking right now and realized that just a picuter could be faked. I dunno, maybe some other answer is availabel. I was about to say its best without pictures but I dont want to silence people who want to show that their argument is based on lived experiences as PoC/WoC. I am open to suggestions on this matter, as I know that it might be dangerous being on 4chan and posting pictures of yourself. In fact thats really bad so scratch that entirely, but open to suggestions still.
>>5425183
You are a fully fledged retard. You've came on this site talking absolute rubbish and you've been proved wrong by near enough every reply in this thread.
If you had read the links people had provided you would have realised that nearly everything you believe has been proven to be false.
Fuck off and die. Please. Do us all a favour and take your toxic fucking ideology with you.
>fuck niggers
>fuck kikes
>fuck irish
>fuck sjw
>>5425183
You are a fully fledged retard. You've came on this site talking absolute rubbish and you've been proved wrong by near enough every reply in this thread.
If you had read the links people had provided you would have realised that nearly everything you believe has been proven to be false.
Fuck off and die. Please. Do us all a favour and take your toxic fucking ideology with you.
Learn to fucking type you mouthbreather this isn't tumblr.
>OMG SO TrigGERD GUYS HELP!11
>fuck niggers
>>5425183
Get off your fucking high horse.
"giving us the opportunity to learn" who the fuck do you think you are? This is exactly the problem with your movement. You have absolutely no sense that anything you believe could be wrong.
You need to fucking take this shit back to tumblr, no one here gives a fuck about you. Die.
also,
>polite
>open manner
>4chan
o i am laffin.
>ITS NOT INDOCTRINATION
>ITS LEARNING
>WAR IS PEACE
>FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
>IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
>>5411121
Allowing access, something that any able person can do, is giving special treatment?
I think you might be somewhat disabled yourself, cognitively.
>>5424689
>and any claim about or dealing with racial/gendered identitiy should be contributed with some sort of picture and proof about the poster's race/gender
Do you even begin to realize how incredibly offensive this is? You may as well be saying "tits or GTFO" or some other variation of "no girls on the internet".
>>5394363
You notice how Bernie Sanders has 50 million in donations, millions of views during debates and all that? If he went 3rd party, he'd be as irrelevant as Jill Stein.
Conversely, if Jill Stein ran as a Democrat she'd be on the main stage with Hillary and Sanders.
>1. Practical issues
If you want to lose elections, follow the SJW.
If you want to create anti-sjw backlashes and fuel far right groups, follow SJW. MRA's are in part fueled by SJW feminism, and they feed off of each other.
>2. Their ideas are deeply post modernist
Their views come from 60's post-modernist analysis of culture. Critical theory applied social sciences to other fields. Surprise surprise, humans are biased jerks. But they take this too far, and
>3. They're anti-white and anti-male
All the problems in society are due to white men. They are becoming a kind of hate group. You see a lot of fury and anger on tumblr. I don't see the point of replacing one prejudice with another.
>3. They don't like science.
When was the last time you heard "Gender studies professor publishes ground breaking new study"? There is no science in any of their journals. Science is sort of important. It forces your theories to be more cautious and grounded in reality. SJW theorists will propose ideas, but they don't follow the critical step of actually trying to prove it. So there's no fact checking in their echo chambers.
Worse, many outright hate science and say it's racist or sexist or colonialist.
>4. They don't argue like adults.
Since they're post modernist and anti-science they don't believe in standard fact based argumentation. They only use ad hominems (check your privilege) by attacking people rather than discussing things. Unsuprizingly this only ends up pissing people off and turning them against the SJW. Which ends up only making the SJW feel more right about their stances because LOOK HOW OPPRESSED I AM.
They can't reach out to the center or across the aisle. They demonize everyone they oppose.
Historically they come from an angry protectors rather than a rationalist stance. So change is done through disruption not rational discourse.
>>5426343
>5. They deny real problems
Their ideas are overly simplistic black/white approaches to most issues. All problems are due to white men remember. So when something comes along that doesn't fit this narrative, they have to deny it. You will see them do so many mental gymnastics to blame Islamic terrorism on white men.
They are in complete denial about how utterly backwards Muslims societies are, and the link to Islam and Islamic terrorism. "Terrorism has no religion" they'll say.
They're one of the biggest proponents of Muslims coming into Europe which is burning, both figuratively and literally.
>>5389873
Would you destroy the right of free speech/first amendment if you had the power to?
>>5426393
I see what you did there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PknvApdz5e8&user=amihorowitz
>>5388487
The problem, that probably most people in this board are aware of, is that SJW went from "tumblr perma-outraged snowflake" to "anything to the left of Rush Limbaugh". The latter is the most common use nowadays, particularly outside this board.
Ableism is also a thing.
>>5424352
>i'm literally incapable of compassion
>>5391564
This whole post is rather stupid (feminists forgetting they're adherents to an ideology or not knowing they're political activists) but
>A moral argument should always be ignored because there is no one true morality, there is always a grey area, and equally valid opposition.
That's the most retarded shit ever
For starters, plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-realism/
>>5424689
Well, as this is the /lgbt/ board, I would assume most folks here are gay, straight, lesbian, or transgender. Aren't you supposed to protect our poor, delicate, precious feels? You're oppressing us in our safe space! Triggered!
Look, 4chan is not the place where you can stand on a soap box and preach to the world how the white devils are oppressing all of the colored people - oh, I mean "People of Color". For one thing, the format doesn't encourage it. No one person is more important than another and replies are easy to read, unlike Tumblr with its fucking awful idea of a comment system. In general, you seem used to the way things are on Tumblr, which is simply not the way things are here. Everyone here's sick of all the preaching, all of the "Shut up and listen, this person is black and that means your opinion is invalid!" I'm barely exaggerating, that's how they speak. They deify minorities into flawless geniuses instead of, you know, people with subjective opinions. Everyone has a right to be called a faggot jew nigger without it being about race relations.
>>5427164
Oh fuck me, put straight instead of bisexual. Same thing tho, amirite?
>>5388487
I came out to my group of friends a few nights ago despite not wanting to. All due to a really social justice crazy friend of mine who didn't like that I use the word "faggot" as an insult and told me that only oppressed gay people can use it... my only choice was to stop using it or come out. Now it's awkward. What have I done?
>>5427572
You got pressured into doing something you didn't want to do by a radical ideologue. You shouldn't let labels like "racist", "sexist", or "homophobe" have an effect on you. While they do have legitimate applications, they are most often used to shame people into capitulating to the viewpoints of SJWs.
>>5426708
Compassion is weakness.
>>5389873
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>>5425370
Hey, I care about the retarded sjw. They're obviously lost and in need of their reblog fix - the poor dear can't last here, someone needs to hold their hand back to tumblr.
I don't understand why so many grown adults care about what blue haired 14 year olds who think they're animals on a blogging websites say so much
I mean, who gives a shit, really, /pol/ only cares because they're all underage themselves or fucking isolated idiots who think sjws are commonplace in society because they don't leave their homes and listen to other delusional jackasses who don't leave their homes
Come on, people, who really cares
>>5428392
The problem is that isn't just 14 year old idiots anymore. This shit is leaking and gaining a foothold in the mainstream media which is why it's an issue.
Free speech is fucking important.
>>5424689
Never, in a million fucking years, do I want you to tell me about feminism.
Nor do I want you to try and justify the shittastic behaviour of tumblrites and sjws.
Nor do I want you to claim that just because i dont want to post a picture on the internet for a total fucking stranger, I must be a cis het white man - because, obviously, no one else would ever disagree with you.
Im lily-white by way of celtic descent and British weather
Im dark-haired brown-eyed and easily tanned by way of Italian and Moroccan descent.
Im transgender because of a quirk of my birth and gay because of another one.
Im not your shield, you're not my voice.
You're just a bigot with an atypical target for your bigotry.
>>5427164
You would assume that many of the people posting in the #NotYourSHield hashtag would have been women/PoCs/WoCs/LGBTs, but how did htat turn out?
In any case, I dont understand what 4chan is. Its just me trying in good faith during the holidays to try and reach a hand out to the other side. So much shitty stuff is going on, not just in my life but for lots of women and Im sure plenty of GooberGaters and MRAs and TRPs are just miserable 100% of the time so why dont I try something new and offer a hand to you all.
I agree that Tumlbr has a terrible comment system but you cna at least download shells for it. Not that it makes it much better. Its a huge criticism against them. and I dont know why they dont just make soem of the shells standard.
And its really not like you put it, "Shut up and listen, this person is black and that means your opinion is invalid!" And its not saying they are flawless. But I trust a doctor more than anyone else when it comes to my health, and I trust a hindi more than anyone else when it comes to bindis and who can wear them. Same difference: A PoC (And by the way, this is old news, but People of Color is a term that was chosen to be an identifyer BY people of color, so its their choice to use that term and ours to respect their choice. The term "Colored People" does not have this history.
The rest of your post is slurs...
>>5428658
I dont understand any reason why this post exists other than to sound exactly like a #NotYourShield post which makes me think this is a meme. This is the PROBLEM with anonimity. You say youre white, but then you say you have Moroccan descent. So... you're white passing? Are you white facing? And transgender and gay is again, BECAUSE of #NotYourShield, impossible toq uantify because of how many trolls come out and say "Yes I am trans just because I want to use the other bathroom! GooberGate forEVER!" But in the same vain if you post your identity, you get harassed. Recently a game developer who IS T
>>5429242
I hate that there are limits to posts. 2000 characters is not a lot.
There was a game developers who is trans who is making a gmae with trans people in it and after GooberGaters caught wind they have been sending her death threats until she calls all her characters "Trannies"? Like just for what? It makes me puke. But thats the reality and the danger of being a transgendered person online.
Can I just say that I think this inst working, so I am going to start writing questions I have for you all? I feel like I need to jump start a cnversation in a way that will lower the blast shields. I will make some questions and I just want to know about like what you all think of supposed "SJW" points, because thats whats always gotten me was that there are a lot of good things social justice has done, so why make everything out to be monsters? I am really relaly hungry first though so I will be back.
>>5428071
You should probably be willing to show compassion to your kindred considering that you're obviously mentally disabled.
>>5429250
>Can I just say that I think this inst working, so I am going to start writing questions I have for you all?
This should be a laugh.
>>5429242
>but People of Color is a term that was chosen to be an identifyer BY people of color
By SOME "people of color". There wasn't a fucking vote on the term. If some want to use it, that's fine, but don't be surprised when others are offended by the use of terminology with racist connotations.
