Statistically speaking, gay men are far from normal and rarely act like 'just one of the guys'. So why is it that the current trend is for gay guys to try to define themselves like that?
What statistics?
>>5382717
I've read a few papers that said roughly 30% or so of gay men self identidied as significantly feminine
internalized homophobia
>>5382758
then you'd have to show that that's also far from the general population/straight population
>>5382758
What the fuck are you talking about OP? Is this just weak bait or what?
Is /lgbt/ like the bait training board or something? It's all so fucking weak.
>>5382771
ye this,
it's embarrassing to see them try to act like the straight men they desire
>>5382758
>read a few papers
>no sources still
>not even making false association to reputable sources saying they found this in hope the other person won't bother
Some low tier trolls, trolling used to mean something.
>>5382715
I have a lot of fem interests but I still fit in with straight guys just fine. It's not like you have to be particularly macho to hangout with guys.
>>5382840
Have failed normies and chads saturated and ruined the sacred art known as trolling formerly dominated by beta outsiders?
Truly a sad time we are living in
I've known I was gay since I was 14.
I've never hesitated in being who I am despite setbacks from those around me.
When I tell people I am gay they almost automatically disbelieve me nearly every single time.
Gay men (Those who seem to be much more feminine and flamboyant) especially disbelieve me to the point where I was harassed out of a gay bar for being "straight". I have never tried to "act straight" once in my life.
I cannot help it if I have masculine mannerisms and appearance.
Grow up, you flaming fairies. you clearly despise what you do not and cannot have.
![fagga_you_actin___straight__by_strawberryr-d4rfb53[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/NZ3Z23P.png "fagga_you_actin___straight__by_strawberryr-d4rfb53[1].png")
>>5382715
Except that's wrong. Pre-stonewall gay and bi guys acted just like "regular guys." Only after that did they start prancing like fairies.
>>5382984
>im irritated when people don't believe that I truly am how I act
>so I'll tell other people that their identities are invalid
>>5383014
That's literally incorrect
Gays have been rightly considered pansies for a long time
One of the roman emperors literally dressed up like a whore to get cock
![5408789+_cb187d587d0969e2efe25d61524aef23[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ncYaJIn.png "5408789+_cb187d587d0969e2efe25d61524aef23[1].png")
>>5383021
>>5382715
damn that pic is nasty
>>5383029
>considered pansies
>considered
Therein lies the key words.
Who considered them that way? Mainly 20th century media.
The "pansy" is more of an invention of 20th century media stereotypes, usually cast as a comedy relief character in old movies.
>>5383030
It's exactly what you're doing. You can call it bait because you don't like it but it's still true
>>5383048
Prove that is what I am saying without reducing the argument to >le greentext generalization for my own benefit
>>5383042
It still certainly happened a lot earlier than stonegate
>>5383060
Hardly makes the difference.
It's a media invention that the naive took seriously.
Yaoi is a great example of this stupid debate.
Yaoi depicts "feminine" gay men.
Who writes it? Women
Who is it written for? Women
Who reads it? Women
Bara depicts "masculine" gay men
Who writes it? Men
Who is it written for? Men
Who reads it? Men
>>5383053
You said you have never tried to act straight in your life and were irritated when people thought you were lying, no?
Then you tell 'flaming fairies' to grow up, implying that you feel their identities are less valid than your own despite previous may showing disdain at that line of thought
>>5383077
>implying that you feel
Nope. That is your assumption.
>>5382715
You an idiot.
I'm tired of idiots like you polluting the thoughts of everybody else.
There is no general rule that defines how gay men behave. They are as varied and different as any other demographic.
Stop corrupting the earth with your poisonous igorsnce and read a book.
>>5383060
>stonegate
>gate
How do I history?
>>5383084
He's too gaaaaaaaaay~~for reading, you internalized homophobe.
All that matters is drinking, being a qt twink, shopping, and hair care products!~~~~
Books are thoooooooo straight! Reading is for like.... straight-acting gay dudes who clearly hate themselves.
guuuuurrrrllll
>>5383096
>Many gay men read yaoi
>a select few gay men read books written for women
ftfy
>>5383096
>It's very heavily implied
Your assumptions made from insecurities?
I completely agree.
>>5382715
>Some gay men are masculine
>Some gay men are feminine
>Some straight men are masculine
>Some straight men are feminine
>Some bi men are masculine
>Some bi men are feminine
I yearn for the day that this stale-ass argument stops being a thing.
![tumblr_inline_mqvtbt9L811qz4rgp[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/vy46b8i.png "tumblr_inline_mqvtbt9L811qz4rgp[1].png")
>>5383096
>yaoi
are you a fujoshit?
>>5383105
Oh okay. That changes everything. A drunk sick fag on 4chan is a totally reliable source.
>>5383103
Resorting to name calling typically implies you hold animosity towards a particular group
Why are the ones to ALWAYS bring up these arguments sexually frustrated femme boys?
every fuckin time
>>5383121
>animosity towards a certain group.
>That means you hate their lifestyle choices!!
no.
>>5383127
>making all these assumptions about me and my argument
"No"
>>5383129
Sure you aren't, mary.
you're just playing the false dichotomy game for shit n giggles right?
>>5383136
What are you even talking about anymore
Oh look it's another flaming queen with impotent rage thread.
>>5382715
>Statistically speaking...
the bullshit is palpable
>>5383153
Then you have already proven that the stereotype is not necessarily true and this argument is pointless
>>5383163
I wasn't trying to say that the stereotype is always true you literal retard
I was saying that in general more gay men are feminine than straight men yet they claim that they aren't
How fucking retarded can you be, jesus
>>5383169
>gay men are feminine and simply lie about being anything else!
fuck off
>>5383178
Jesus fucking christ did you flunk first grade reading comprehension or something
I mean to say that taken as a whole the percentage of gay men who are fem is higher than the analogous percentage flr straights yet gays (like you) always try to claim the opposite
>>5383169
No one claims that more gay men are feminine than straight men. You pulled this out of your gaping asshole.
but the fact remains that the majority of gay men are NOT feminine regardless.
>>5383190
whops meant to say "fewer" instead of "more"
>>5383169
Nope. They've just been brainwashed by the liberal kike American media, which has convinced them that they must prance around to prove their "gay-ness." Look at gay and bi men literally anywhere other than the U.S, Canada, and the UK. None of them behave like this.
>>5383190
>no one
Literally every dude in this thread who was screaming "not *all* gay men"
>>5383203
No they aren't.
Show me a single post in this thread that claims that there are more feminine straight men than gay men.
go ahead.
>>5383210
>more
I'm talking about percentages. Straights will always have the absolute number
>>5383217
Ok... and?
No one has claimed otherwise.
>>5383234
not one of those post claims anything having to do with the percentage of feminine acting men among straights or gays.
keep trying.
>>5383241
They imply it heavily. If you're gonna be that autistic I suggest you leave while the big boys talk
>>5383247
>they imply it
not really.
That's merely a baseless claim on your part.
You act so fucking insecure that you insinuate everything.
>>5383249
If by everything you mean obvious meaning that only an /r9k/ tier autist could miss then yeah I guess
>>5382794
Yes, every edgy 15 year old from /b/ looks at the board and goes "oh boy! That'll be easy!"
Then 1 year later they're mtf
>>5383259
>I have studies!
>But I don't need to show them!
>I have statistics!
>But they're still a bit brown from being up my ass for so long!
>People disagree with me!
>They don't have to actually say anything. They merely have to "imply" it.
fuckin weak m8
This thread is b8
>>5383269
>being this shitter shattered
Given your proclivity to accusing others of insecurity I wonder what that means about yourself
>MUH GAY FEMININITY
>MUH PERSECUTION
>MUH EVIL MEAN STRAIGHTACTING GAYS
fuck off with this bullshit once and for all
>>5383290
>every time I btfo you you just pretend to be a new person
At least use a new ip ffs
>>5383295
Jesus fucking christ this guy is pathetic
67 replies
13 posters
>>5383097
Muhahah aha.
You've been tricked. Smarten up . I almost feel bad for you if you think reading is something only straight people do.
You've been tragically misguided if that's the case.
And, I could sit here and feel sorry for you, but that's not going to so either of is much good is it?
>>5383299
I just reply to some shitposter who ruined my thread by being too autistic to understand it
>>5383169
>i was saying that (generalization) (salience bias) (unsourced claim)
Have you ever considered that society overemphasizes the prevalence of those who fall outside of traditional social norms? That maybe the presence of drag race on television doesn't imply that there are any more or less gay men who behave that specific way.
>>5383312
>muh fallacies
Given how much the mascs whine about fems, they're either really loud when whining or there's a lot of fem guys
>>5383321
Masc guys tend to ignore fems altogether relly.
And that's what pisses fems off so much. it's attention theyre missing out on.
>>5383325
>masc gays ignore fems
Jesus
My sides
Look at all the butthurt 'masc' guys itt and tell me that again
>>5383333
Don't you recall?
The OP is totally not fem u guise!!!
>>5383341
I'm op and not fem you tard
>>5383321
>muh fallacies
You do realize after that initial point I deconstructed your shit-filled "argument" that could be boiled down to "my view of reality is more important than reality itself." Fuck off narcissist.
>>5383348
I find it incredibly unlikely that the amount of feminity is the exact same between gays and straights. Hell, the existence of drag queens basically disproves it
>>5383363
>the existence of a minority of a minority proves the existence of a majority
not bloody likely.
>>5383363
>50% of gays act feminine and 50% act masculine by some miracle
>10% of feminine gays wear drag
>this means there are more feminine gays!
P E R C E P T U A L S A L I E N C E
>>5383345
Heth not fem you guyth, thtop it.
>>5383001
>implying that picture is wrong
>>5383381
That's why he probably posted it anon-kun.
>>5383383
But there are many straight drag queens.
Explain it away.
>>5383383
>as a whole
and the point goes so far over your head I think its just beyond you
>>5383302
>Sarcasm
Are you literally this retarded
Why can't /lgbt/ discuss a topic without resorting to believing it's a troll and blabbering like a retard how retarded OP is?
>>5383418
Because mathc4mathc gays are to insecure to comprehend that some feminine gay guys are such naturally
>>5383423
Really? Because it seems this thread was created for the sole purpose of suggesting the exact opposite of what you just said.
>>5383418
Because the OP is almost incomprehensible. Shitposting begets shit posting.
>>5383433
But he's comprehensible to me. I'm not a guy so I wouldn't know the answer though.
And he didn't post statistics in the OP and I don't want to read the thread.
>>5383439
But the trend you "noticed" was based on your own misconceptions.
>>5383447
But, like, it's true
>>5383453
Base it on evidence instead of whining then.
>inb4 "THIS THREAD IS EVIDENCE!!!"
please...
>>5383463
That it isn't is utterly preposterous
Can you tell me with a straight face that gays are, as a whole, as masculine as straights?
>>5383476
Unless you can prove otherwise, your claim is bullshit with no basis except MUH FEELINGS
>>5383508
Same with yours
There's no logical reason to believe that men who commit the most feminine act a man can do are otherwise as masculine as straight men
>>5383565
The burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim. That would be you... and your lack of proof.
>>5383575
>burden of proof shit
This ain't philosophy 101 kid
>>5383581
>It's not fair for me to provide proof for my claims!
Grow up, bitchy.
>>5383595
I offered a logical claim that you completely ignored
>>5383442
Would you care to clarify? I don't understand the question. It's very vague.
>>5383601
Really? A logical claim requires evidence to back it up. REAL evidence.
>>5383612
??
I made an argument based on logic and reasoning, not empiricism
Go back to your bill nye videos you positivist
>>5383634
>MUH REASONING
Rationalising personally held beliefs is the logical equivalent to religious apologetics. Grow up,.
>>5383648
>all reasoning is invalid because it hurts my feels
lol ok
>>5382715
Not that far, actually.
you gays are more girly then us trannies
>>5386977
>us
>implying we're all agp scum like you
>>5382758
>30% are significantly feminine
>70% are just one of the guys
I don't understand the problem with fighting against harmful stereotypes of what a gay man is and I don't understand why feminism is so against masc gay culture.
>>5382984
You got kicked out of a gay bar for just seeming straight? My local gay bar IS like 40% straight people. It's shitty, but I'm really surprised that that happened to you.
Besides that, 90% of the gay men I meet look and act no different from straight guys really.
>>5383113
This desu why do people think gay men who don't act normal are putting an act? I always thought the opposite actually. I understand if you seem a bit fem but the way flamboyant gays act seems more of an act to me because no one around them usually acts so loud and faux-fem.
>>5387030
it's because twinks/femboys are mentally ill closet trannies and are confused as to why real gay men aren't like them.
