How does /lgbt/ feel about Muslims' homophobia?
I find it incredible that a lot of gays I see are very Muslim-friendly, even going as far to say "Gays for Palestine" even though Muslims hate gays.
What do you think?
Some muslims hate gays, some christians hate gays, some jews hate gays, some hindus hate gays, some athiests hate gays. If you're a hateful person your religion won't affect it, you know? There's like 1.6 billion muslims and most of them are fine with gays.
>>5261312
Most of them are fine with gays?
Let me guess, you're American?
>>5261312
>most of them are fine with gays
[citation needed]
We need another Crusade
Ave Maria
Deus Vult
>>5261300
I support Palestine for other reasons. I can support basic human rights and dignity even if I don't like the religion (Islam).
>>5261312
but 99.9% of Muslims hate gays.
Look at the map.
>>5261300
Think about homophobia in other countries. A lot of people are homophobic because of the culture surrounding them, not because of some intrinsic choice. The deck is stacked against them in a way. Think about it, you have kids who were just raised to think gay=bad and only believe that because of people they think they can trust. I'm not going to let large numbers of people get hurt or die because of that. All I can do is hope that providing a constructive environment for betterment with these people will allow more progressive attitudes. Ultimately, tolerance is kind of a luxury. It takes money for governments to be able to enforce rights for minority groups, and if they can't afford it then it makes sense for things to end up this way.
>>5261300
Why is Niger red? Homosecks isn't banned there.
>>5261312
American Muslims have the same percentage of anti-gay feelings as evangelical Christians in the United States. And that's not even considering Muslims in other countries who typically vehemently dislike gays, to the point of homosexuality having severe punishments in Arab nations.
>>5261365
Sunni Islam unanimously condemns homosexuality.
Islam isn't like Christianity. There aren't a million popular sects with all different interpretations of the Qu'ran. There are only a few sects, with one being essentially as popular as Catholicism was in Europe 500 years ago.
religion is shit desu senpai
I kind of feel like these threads are an active effort from /pol/ to swing us over to the right or something though. There's been a lot of them recently
>>5261365
This
They need to develop first. they will become more moderate as human rights become more important than trying to survive Bullets and sand
>>5261379
>implying
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches
The sunni shia split is more comprable to the orthodox catholic split. Sure they may not have a Protestant but Protestantism did some nasty shit too m8.
>>5261380
The left doesn't have a monopoly on gay people 2bh
>>5261388
How does that contrast with anything I said?
Why don't you fucking google the actual number of Muslims asked whether or not they support homosexuality instead of insisting "t-tons do! It's not the faith that matters!". When the majority of Muslims in the US, where the culture is certainly not condemning of homosexuality, think it's an abomination, you can't pretend like the faith is irrelevant.
>>5261380
Enjoy the Hellfire, heathen
>>5261394
>the US, where the culture is certainly not condemning of homosexuality
oh im laffin
>>5261394
Did you even bother to read my post? I said nothing on the opinion on homosexuality, just correcting your ignorance of the muslim faith and their sects baka senpai
>>5261396
Ok, how bad can eternal tourture really be?
stop making this thread every day retard
>>5261397
>Muh victim complex
>>5261401
This is the first ti me I've been to this board.
Why do you love muslims so much?
>>5261403
Have fun in Alabama partner
>>5261396
the Abrahamic God is evil desu
>>5261408
This
He is a dickhole
>>5261406
Because there are so many gay people hurt in Alabama outside of highschool.
There's alot of factors that go into this. Firstly there's identity politics, lets say your a person in highschool trying to decide how you feel about something and you just so happen to be part of the lgbt community. You here two arguments, one argument from a group of people who have done everything in there power to take away your human rights, conservatives in this case, another from a group that has been supportive of you and has stood up for your rights. This isn't 'liberal logic' it's human psychology to listen to be more likely to agree with the second group. It's unfair but unavoidable.
>>5261404
Because they don't spam the board trying to peddle their shit onto us.
>You will never join a Crusade and reclaim the Holy Land for the glory of God and His Saints from the pagans and heathens
>You will never tear down the temples of the pagans and build a cathedral over them, for the glory of God
>You will never repopulate the Levant with Christians, in effect returning the Promised Land to God's children
>You will never live in a state where Church and State are One
We can hope
>>5261300
Why is north Korea red? Wouldn't north Korea, china, Russia, Beleruss, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba and Venezuela be in a third group? Wouldn't turkey be green I mean they're mostly modernized? Am I thinking about this to much?
>>5261339
God damn don't you know how surveys work? 1.62 billion people were not surveyed. Although the survey tried to be as comprehensive as possible, and a large number of people, 38,000 people were surveyed, the survey excluded secular countries such as China and India, home to 100 and 150 million muslims respectively. A large part of those Muslims could have been bigoted, but it's impossible to know for certain. The report states other problems with the survey.
>>5261365
>>5261381
These guys are right. Given that most Muslim countries have a barely literate and educated population, it's no wonder that their beliefs don't stray much from the prevailing ideology, and their views of the outside world are either non-existant or easily distorted.
The more Advanced Muslim Countries that are Secular no doubt have more tolerant Muslims. The ones that have an extremely low level of development, like Afghanistan with a 40% literacy rate, are not.
I'm certain that most Chirstian majority Sub-Saharan Countries are as homophobic as the intolerant Muslim majority ones.
>>5261404
Because they don't spam the board trying to peddle their shit onto us.
>>5261474
I concur Brother!
I just hope you're not a filthy papist.
>>5261361
>Look at the map.
All the map shows is that Muslims are red :^)
>>5261391
What does the right have to offer gay people?
My bf is a Muslim immigrant (he's applied for his residency but is still waiting on it) from Egypt, living in Alberta. All of his friends even being in Canada and lots of them having grown up here are homophobic t the point where I've only ever met two of his friends; his roommate and his faghag. Both of them are fine with it, are also Muslims and we get along fine. Probs worth noting I'm agnostic. We never let it get in the way much. The only blowing up he does involves him being on his knees.
I think it's kind of funny how most muslims that do hate gays quote the Quran, even though my bf's friends all drink and smoke and have premarital sex/etc. and the Quran bans those too. But being gay is too much.
An evangelical and charismatic Protestant mega-church preacher, defender of sola fide and sola scriptura, was teaching a class on Biblical hermeneutics, a known Catholic discipline
"Before class begins, you must get on you knees accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, the one and only mediator needed to be saved through the grace of God!
At this moment, a brave, wise, mystic, and spiritual scholastic Catholic cleric who was versed in the doctrine of the Church Fathers and who had spent 1500 hours in spiritual communion due to studying the lives of the saints and Virgin and who thus understood the importance of papal authority and tradition in matters of faith stood up, and held a knife.
"What would you do, spawn of Luther, if I were to strike you with this dagger?"
The arrogant professor smirked in tongues, and smugly replied: "We would revenge ourselves on you, impious papist, and we would continue to be saved, due to sola fide."
Part I
>>5261532
cont'd
"Wrong. Both Biblical Word and the doctrine of the earliest Christians show that faith without action is empty, for if God had pre-destined you to be saved... you would be unable to commit any act of vengeance, meaning one is not saved through faith alone, but through his actions."
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and his incomplete, badly translated King James Bible. He stormed out of the room crying those evangelical crocodile tears. The same tears Protestants cry for the "unsaved" (who today could be taught the Word by Catholic missionaries so they could be saved).
There is no doubt that at this point our professor wished he had become more than a heretical and hypocritical Protestant. He wished so much that he could have gone and confessed his sins to a holy priest, but he himself had declared his stance against them!
The students applauded, and in their fervor, began to sing gregorian chants in honor of the Virgin Mary. A white dove with two heads named Scripture and Tradition flew into the room and perched atop a portrait of Pope John Paul II, and with its singing, transformed everyone present into priests, nuns, monks, and martyrs of the Holy (Roman) Catholic and Apostolic Church. God Himself showed up and transubstantiated the desks into Holy Hosts, whereupon the former students proceeded to perform the Holy and Miraculous Communion before going out to spread the Word with the help of the Saints.
The next day, the preacher suffered headaches and nausea, and discovered he had AIDS. He died, and was sent to Purgatory, where he was punished for what seemed like eternity for having gone against the One True Church.
Amen.
Part II
>>5261535
say that to my face, not online papist
>>5261492
Find a more secular Muslim country...
Te United Arab Emirates still imprisons homosexuals...
>>5261556
If you're asking for Secular Muslims majority countries, there are plenty, but only a few such as Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan legalised same-sex activities.
>>5261300
Gays are idiots, that means most of them are left wing, left wing liberals are obsessed with self destruction and degeneration.
There's cure for the cancer and that is eliminating Saudi Arabia by stripping the from economic and politic wealth. Before that it's impossible to truly redeem Islam, which actually has some more liberal followers especially among younger and more educated people. Saudi Arabia is the root of wahhabism, the religious practice that we see as worst kind of Islam in west. Just look up to their law system which goes against all humanitarian rights in US and Europe, latest case being this: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/20/saudi-court-sentences-poet-to-death-for-renouncing-islam
Yet US and UK keep arming these people(and Saudi is the root for terrorists as well thanks to this), funding them, and in return they pay big amount of money so they can build their mosques around the world. Why is Saudi Arabia refusing to take any refugees when they 100k empty tents just perfect for that purpose, yet they offer building 200 mosques in Germany for the refugees staying there? Just research what kind of Islam they teach in these Saudi mosques and how they keep twisting scientific facts for their own good just like fundamentalist Christians do.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/19/mehdi-hasan-in-bbc-question-time-argument-with-anna-soubry-about-isis_n_8605308.html
So many people both in Middle East and here suffer because of this. There's hope for example among the Kurds who want to change that kind of society, yet they are labeled as terrorists by Turkey.
>>5261314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEXxIhp9PD8
>>5261300
>How does /lgbt/ feel about Muslims' homophobia?
No mercy.
>I find it incredible that a lot of gays I see are very Muslim-friendly, even going as far to say "Gays for Palestine" even though Muslims hate gays.
I consider these people either terrified or utterly insane.
Then again I'm on the exact opposite side of the spectrum so yeah.
>>5261300
I think, that people will call you a racist if you criticize muslims.
>>5261391
I hate the left for their idiotic self destructive ideologies but what average folk associates with the right is just as bad as the muslims they're supposed to protect us from.
Something about Scylla and Charybdis.
>>5261519
>Muslims are red
>Sovjet are red
>Muslims are sovjet
>America hates sovjet
>America hates muslims
It all makes sense.
>>5261523
What does it need to offer? Most of the right, at least in Europe, doesn't really suffer from homophobia. There even isn't clear left and right except when it comes to economics, and right now, immigration. What you mean by "left" most likely means people who want to keep gays as their circus animals for populist reasons. Do we really want that?
>>5261781
Funny joke but most of the fundamentalist Muslims are capitalist as fuck and that's why they are best buddies with US. The Kurdish freedom fighters aim for socialist and secular democracy with no jihadi wahhabi bullshit.
It's funny to see when homosexuals think the 'Left' is in any form sympathetic to homosexuality.
Old Guard (classical) Leftism is markedly different from Post '68 'Leftism' (if you can even call it Leftism, considering their differences of ideology, but I shall address it later), as classical Leftism is concerned with the rights of workers ('proletariats') and unions and seeks to enact a form of revolution or change (violent or otherwise) to topple 'capitalist and private' interests in favor of ownership by workers or unions. Markedly, classical Leftism (and its derivatives of Maoism, Leninism, Shining Path thought, etc) sees homosexuality as a degeneration that only occurs due to the excesses of capitalist society, while it praises the traditional family made up of mother + father and off-spring.
The USSR criminalized homosexuality, as did most nations that became socialist (Communist China, Khmer Rouge Cambodia/Kampuchea, Communist Cuba). Either they criminalized, or failed to pass any laws regarding its status due to thinking such 'degeneration' could not occur in the confines of a socialist society, such as in socialist Albania or Yugoslavia. A number of communist-socialist groups (the Shining Path) were known to execute homosexuals and transvestites in the areas they controlled for being anti-Leftist 'agents'.
Honestly, when homosexuals say they are 'Left', I would say they are wrong. The Post '68 'Left' would be easier to categorize were it stripped of the nomenclature 'Left', and simply called 'Identity Politics'.
Homosexuals are therefore invested in Identity Politics, not in 'Leftism', since the Left hates them about as much as the Right.
t.History pro
>>5261931
In the modern world, the pro-gay political parties are almost exclusively to the left side of the spectrum. Homosexuality is inherently incompatible with social conservatism.
>>5261931
I think it's pretty obvious that when people say "left" they mean "liberal". And liberals are just liars.
>>5261950
>And liberals are just liars.
What's that supposed to mean?
>>5261949
>pro-gay parties
>left side of spectrum
I disagree. The Leftist goals and ideologies have most always been concerned with - as stated before - the rights of industrial workers and existence of unions. But, what do any of the 'pro-gay' parties have to do with these? 'Pro-gay' parties completely disregard industrial workers, appealing to minorities with identity politics: in fact, these 'pro-gay' parties are anti-Left, since they tend to oppose industrial interests due to issues like 'pollution' (of which, they are correct: but remember, environmentalism is a product of the Right, seeing as the Left did not particularly place any inherent importance in the environment, and Leftist thought usually places 'Nature' as something to be subjugated by the struggle of the workers).
Do not confuse Left with Identity Politics. The Left is Lenin and Mao and Pol Pot and the worker's international and worker ownership of means of production; Identity Politics is post-'68 'tolerance' and 'multi-culturalism'.
>>5261956
When have they done anything but talk? Lot of liberals don't pay attention to economic issues or foreign policy(which for US has been disastrous for past couple of decades as the situation in Middle East proves), they talk about human rights and gay marriage but they never even bothered passing the bill. They never look at the big picture, only some details that don't really matter and they can't fix those either.
>>5262023
The Democrats are very centre. None of the policies they have enacted are Leftist, but rather, Identity Politics-centred (and I just see that as a form of political pandering, not particularly Leftist or Rightist).
>by your reasoning
Do I detect hostility? I was relaying information, I don't know why you take offense.
>>5262041
>>by your reasoning
I said this because by the way these terms are used in America the Democrats are definitively left-wing. Welfare, anti-hate speech laws, income redistribution, etc, all of those things are what would be considered left-wing in America.
>>5262054
>in America
Just because 'people' in America believe something is Left-wing due to their known stupidity doesn't make it true. In political and historical context, Leftism is concerned with the urban workers and worker's unions.
It's the nomenclature that bothers me, it irritates me so much. Just call it IP (identity Politics), not Leftism, because Leftism has nothing to do with crap like anti-hate laws or income-redistribution (the Left doesn't call for income redistribution, it calls for ultimately eliminating income). Classic Leftism hates homosexuals, and I am sure, by extension, it hates shit like trans- crap as well. It's not my assertion, it's that made by Leftist proponents
Too many gays are too dumb to follow what's going around them so they are either one issue voters or just don't care at all. That will never make you integrate with the rest of society, it just makes your entire identity "gay". Anyone who has some care of the future studies what actually is going in the Middle East and what it could lead to.
>>5261312
>some
More like the overwhelming majority. Mudslimes are literally what christianity was 1000 years ago, which mean they are savage, uneducated and fucking retarded.
Only the first-world left wing parties manage to be dumber than then, and suddenly you realize they accepted gays not because they actually understand it's normal, but because they are accepting of absolutely everything.
>>5262121
And that could be fixed with proper education, but that won't happen in Saudi. And by cooperating with them the West is also part of the problem. A lot of these "we must tolerate everyone" people don't even have any idea of how this all goes around and refuse to admit that there are problems with the Muslim community. The educated Muslims know this and they condemn movements like wahhabism instead preaching how it's "the religious of peace". Even if it is, it doesn't change the actual problem.
https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/saudi-arabias-curriculum-intolerance
>>5262077
>Europoor gets offended by language
>Which is constantly changing
Being a linguistic conservative has to be about the dumbest state of being out there. Every argument you'll ever make will be extremely petty and pedantic by nature and will always just end with "Agh. Stupid Americans!"
>Watch documentary called how gay is Pakistan
>Transexuals and gays are regularly raped in the bum bum for being gay
>Poor lower class straight construction workers all fuck eachother because they cant afford to have a wife
>No of this is considered gay by the other Pakistanis
How do they not see this as being gay? If you fuck a guy in the ass as punishment for being gay guess what your fucking gay.
>>5262121
>that pic
What makes you think they're "moderate" if they're cheering ISIS? That makes them ISIS supporters, not moderates.
>gays not because they actually understand it's normal
Being gay is quite simply not normal. There's nothing wrong with it, but that doesn't mean it's normal.
>>5262168
>And that could be fixed with proper education
You can only teach someone who is willing to learn, muslims as opposed to many other groups don't blend in and the newer generations actually get MORE radical than the older ones.
And by letting them in you are actually opening the door for one of their tactics of war against the infidels, of outbreeding and using democracy to end democracy. Even worse, minority groups such as LGBT who fought so hard and so long to be respected and live in peace are now threatened by them.
The only faster solution would be to REMOVE their children before the damage can be done and forcing semi permanent anti-conceptional treatments on them. But of course that's disgusting and immoral, so we best leave them to the shithole they created.
>>5262192
>That makes them ISIS supporters, not moderates.
There are many ISIS supporters that are considered "moderate" by the polls, islam is not a moderate religion, ISIS is just more open about it.
>>5262202
>There are many ISIS supporters that are considered "moderate" by the polls
What is the criteria these polls use to define "moderate"?
>>5262207
Literally any muslim that's not taking part on the terrorist attacks. They still want to enforce sharia, they still want to kill gays and they still want to remove your freedom. See >>5261339
>>5262221
That's a pretty pointless definition. That would mean any non-combatant would count as a "moderate", regardless of how supportive of ISIS they are.
>>5262195
Yeah but remember who arms and funds Saudi Arabia, who obviously are the ones funding all these terrorists. 9/11 attackers came from Saudi, Osama bin Laden was Saudi, ISIS is extreme movement born from Saudi ideology. Saudi Arabia acts like it condemns ISIS because no one is so dumb they accept such brutal terrorist group in public but the truth is the ones in Europe wouldn't be able to do anything if they weren't funded by Saudi. And it's not just them, it's us too. The only one you can trust is Putin and he has been demonized by the West forever except now people are opening their eyes.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/putin-outed-isiss-g20-financiers-but-not-a-single-western-media-outlet-has-reported-it/5490047
>>5261300
Because gays are politically inept. They have no clue how anything works.
If you want to experience being gay in a Muslim country go towards one. Muslims treat gay people with utmost disdain. The silent majority of Muslims want you dead.
>>5261492
Saudi Arabia is doing well so far.
Abu bakr himself, the caliph, has a doctorate.
It's utter nonsense you're saying.
>>5261312
oh FUCK...YOU...
I'm so fucking sick of islam-apologists always saying:
>But there are bigoted christians too!!!!
Yeah, there are a few thousand Christians who actively want to kill all gays. There are a few christian countries that persecute gays(all of which are african or Caribbean)
But like 90% of Muslim countries persecute gays, and some obscenely high number of practicing Muslims(Like 80%+) including ones in the developed world, support harming or even killing homosexuals.
Try to find a christian in America, Canada, The UK, Sweden, etc.... who thinks gays should be killed. Now, in THOSE SAME COUNTRIES, try to find a muslim who thinks gays should be killed. I bet you'll have to search high and low to find ONE christian who agrees with that. I bet nearly half of the Muslims you ask will agree with that.
Honestly, i'm fucking numb to this shit now. And as a gay guy, Its ONE MORE example of 'progressives' selling me out to push their fucked up ideology. In the 90's, every far-left leaning party was trying to get comfy with the gay rights movement... Now, 25 years later, they have abandonded gay men(who have 'male cis privilege') and instead court the support of people who are most at odds with gay men(Lesbian feminists, and for some ass-backwards reason that i never understood, Muslims... Which is *REALLY* weird, since the feminists ALSO fall over themselves to support the muslims, even though they hate them almost as much as they hate gay men!)
Either way, like i said.. I'm numb to it. Sucks there countries are shittier now than they were 15 years ago, but i sure as fuck dont want them in my neighborhood, knowing that >>5261339 is 100% accurate.
And the FOOLS who want them brought in? Well i hope they lose a lot of sleep, and maybe some loved ones, to clue them into how fucking short sighted and complicit they are in what is going to be a huge culture clash that will almost definitely involve gays, women, and muslims getting killed.
>>5263032
Trust me most Europeans, especially Germans, hate this situation. I'm expecting Merkel to get assassinated any day soon possible. She is pretty much the most hated person of Europe right now.
>>5263086
I dont doubt it.. It really is a case of the countries leaders selling it out from beneath their own citizens... But the thing is, its more pervasive than just the refugees.
Canada, america, the uk, sweden, etc... dont actually have many or ANY of the syrian refugees yet. Infact the muslims in Canada and America are seen as the most moderate, open minded muslims in the world... yet they *STILL* have insanely high polls of people who sympathize with ISIS, support murder for apostasy, wish for sharia law(which equals murder to gays) etc... etc.... etc...
Basically, the "BEST" muslims are still mostly shitty, and we're all about to see some of the WORST ones come into out countries.
I'm sure you've seen the footage... For every 1 moderate family with a crying kid being nursed by a modern, un-niqabed mother, next to her husband... Theres about 100 arab men who look like they're not so much fleeing a situation they cant survive, but being opportunistic in getting refugee status in a nation that will support them as they rally against the ideals said nation holds up.
Its no secret.. the more muslims in a nation, the more people there are who support sharia law... 40 years ago, if we took in people from warsaw block countries, do you think we would allow/tolerate them trying to turn our governments into totalitarian communists? Of course not! so why the fuck would we coddle these fuckers while they try to break apart our ideals?
>>5261312
>most of them are fine with gays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU
plz know what the fuck you're talking about before you talk about it
>>5263032
>(all of which are african or Caribbean)
All of which were influenced by european/north american countries, and don't have enough contrarian voices to challenge the status quo.
Christianism is just as cancerous as islam.
>>5263145
Yeah I know because most of the "refugees" here are from Iraq. It's impossible for poor Syrian war victim to flee all the way to Europe. Majority of the the war victims never make it. I also know that they are economic migrants, because Iraq's Erbil has these big western corporations and the people living there have shallow western values like fancy cars and phones. They don't want to take part in building better society and they are not interested in politics, but they just want "good life" they think they can get from Europe. They think European life is like in the movies and TV. They don't get that to live here you actually need to participate in the society, they also get disappointed when they see country like Finland being mostly just forest with no one around, they don't want to go to countries that don't offer high funds. They have abandoned their country for these delusions and the "European Dream", even though they could be doing something for their own society.
Merkel has encouraged thousands of people from Middle East to risk their lives, participating in illegal human transport and drowning themselves, just because she thinks she will redeem Germany's WW2 reputation like this.
What political affiliation should gays have then?
The right doesn't want us
>>5261300
>What do you think?
Islam is incompatible with western civilization. The great "multicultural" experiment is a failure, just look at Europe for proof.
Islam is a shit religion spread by the sword, it is actually a regression from western society, which is pretty impressive.
>>5263177
Again, fuck off...
I'm an atheist fag. I dont think highly of either side, but you're a fucking delusional FOOL if you honestly think modern christianity is even in the same LEAGUE as modern islam.
And i dont know where to place the blame on thsoe african nations being shit holes... Saying 'evil white men in the west' are to blame is idiotic though. I dont deny some of them are pushing that shit, but the local populace and its leaders eat it up and support it stronger than just about ANY other issue those countries face... So as racist as it sounds, i think its just niggers being niggers....
>>5263197
Yeah, theres a youtube clip of a professor from, i think University of Ottawa, who explains how its the politicians who support this fucked up deluge of refugees who are the biggest culprits of the deaths.
If you are going to take refugees, thats great(well actually, as this thread proves, its horrible... but put that aside for the moment) but do so in a smart way. Dont encourage people to risk their lives, in which only the strongest, healthiest, most devout(IE: guys in their 20's) make it through. It seems like the only ones surviving long enough to make that refugee claim, are the ones who are most likely, statistically, to be headaches later on.
For example Yazidis are the ones who actually truly need to get the fuck out of ME, as they are hated by Muslims and strictly targeted by ISIS for being "devil worshippers"(non-Islamic). Sadly they also are the ones whose men get killed and women and kids get captured and sold as sex slaves, and they won't get out. They are going to disappear as a race. But just after Paris attacks the Kurdish freedom fighters killed over 100 IS terrorists and got back Sinjar where the Yazidis were being captured. It's shameful that meanwhile military age men go to Europe with no plans what they even want to do here and the liberals even CELEBRATE them for this.
>>5263226
I think, as long as you're not an extremist, you're good on either side.
>>5263177
>Christianism
Christianity, you pleb.
>>5263327
Exactly. We shouldn't be taking Yazidis and Kurds in, we should be going over there, arming them to the teeth and strengthening their hold on each territory.
They are the ones that actually desire order.
>>5263327
>"for example Yazidis are the ones who actually truly need to get the fuck out of ME"
>fails to mention the rapidly diminishing Christian (largely Oriental, but also some Orthodox and Catholic) community who are being forced to pay the jizya or risk death while their temples and historic sites (some dating to Roman and Byzantine times) get destroyed
Fuck you.
>>5261365
>We should tolerate their bullshit and offer ourselves upon the alter of tolerance so that one day in a future we wont live to see they will be civilized
How about fuck you to death with a rake you huge pansy faggot? I don't want to die and wont die for your stupid faggoty candy ass and I don't think anyone else does either.
These people wont be civilized for thousands of years and the deaths of thousands of innocent gay people isn't worth tolerating their intolerance. If you want to die go ahead and do it you fucking lost cause.
>>5263177
Nobody here is supporting Christianity or it's shit you fucking mudslime now take your argument and homophobic turban wearing ass elsewhere.
>>5263013
>Saudi Arabia
It isn't developed
Some places are, but the wealth doesn't trickle down. At all.
Their are still hundreds of people who wander the sands and slums are everywhere. even with this women are trying to fight for representation, albeit slowly.
Same goes for most country in the Persian gulf
>>5264154
And they're buying arms and bombs from US for $1.3bn worth so they could bomb more civilians in Yemen
And of course fund more terrorists
considering 70% of them are okay with the death penalty for homosexuals, I don't like them very much.
it actually sickens me when gays talk about palestine and how the palestinians are being mistreated by the jews. these dumb liberal queens have never visited the area and only have an opinion because some "enlightened" democrats whine about it
modern islam fucking sucks and I want to see the muslim world renounce it
>>5264039
For some reason when you point out imperfections in a non-Christian religion people assume you're Christian. Not sure why. The worst anti-Muslim stuff I've heard has been from Sikhs and Jews
>>5264181
They also censor out the ass.
I'm both surprised and not that they haven't had a revolt yet.
Mostly because I think a revolt would play out like one of those action movies where the poorly armed slum people try to go against the heavily armed police, but I digress. They are also a major power in the middle east and the people in power tend to lie to the people about the world and those in the middle wither buy it or do not intend to speak about it unless they get arrested.
the Saudi government is a shit show and intends to stay that way as long as it can still earn money and be influential.
The Islamic world is less ultra conservative for the sake of survival or stability and more ultra conservative because the government is a modern Orwellian nightmare.
The government uses religion to control the people, and because of that sadly some of those people took this corrupted religion to control an even worse government.
>>5263013
Saudi Arabia is a theocratic Absolute Monarchy. It goes against the norm of most Muslim Majority countries being republics or constitutional Monarchies.
The fact the lgbt people are protected against discrimination in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, Muslim majority (or countries with a significant amount of Muslims in Lebanon's case) that are more developed.
While lgbt in underdeveloped Christian majority Congo might as well be in Saudi Arabia for all the good it does them.
>>5264181
No one is defending those countries.
Every single country with a Muslim population higher than 50% have homosexuality criminalized and punished by lashes/jail/death. Kind reminder.
>>5261949
>homosexuality is inherently incompatible with social conservatism
What?
>>5265118
Social conservatism is all about "traditional family values" which homosexuality is completely the opposite of.
>>5261300
>lbgt muslims dont exist, why are teh white gays so nice to them?
OP is a retard
>>5263226
>the right doesn't want us
This makes no sense. Who's “the right”? The Republicans would be a lot more gay-friendlier if we actually *joined* them and slowly influenced its values. I'm sure a couple of us could even get elected. The French far-right party vice-president is homosexual, ffs.
>>5265138
What are those values?
>>5265181
Basically the sort of stuff you would see in 1950s TV shows.
TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT! we love the trump, so glad so many LBGT love him as much as i do!
>>5265194
Would you elaborate, please? I went through the Republican National Committee's website to check their stand on a couple of themes and, to be fairly honest, I don't see anything in contradiction with being homosexual. What are those values, exactly? Christianism? Patriotism?
>>5261300
>Muslims' homophobia
I can't speak for the Middle East, because I've never been there, but American Muslims cherry-pick their beliefs. Just like Christians and basically any other faith. A vast majority are not devout.
>I find it incredible that a lot of gays I see are very Muslim friendly
Again, going back to my first point. Islamic culture in the Middle East isn't welcoming of the lgbt community, but not every single Muslim on Earth is connected to a hive-mind that demands gay blood. American/Western Muslims tend to be very liberal.
>>5265231
Why is /pol/ desperately preaching to /lgbt/ on the "Muslim issue?" /pol/ hates the gays as much as the boogeymen they're fighting. There's nothing genuine about feigning support for a group you despise.
>>5265324
No you dont you love us and want to slobber all over our massive white cocks, dont be shy anon.
>>5265331
>>5265305
>Marriage is between a man and a woman
>No sex prior to marriage, marriage should >ideally last until death
>People should be Christian and follow Christian values
>People should be gender-conforming, husbands should be dominant over their wives
Those sorts of things are what social conservatism is all about. /pol/ seems to favor social conservative attitudes as well, that's why they're always whining about "degeneracy".
However, not all conservative parties are socially conservative, it's possible to be socially liberal and moderate and ECONOMICALLY conservative, which is what the GOP seems to be right now. And that makes sense, because the economy still isn't great and they have a reasonable chance of winning some votes by criticizing Obama's economic policies. However, they have little to gain by being strongly socially conservative; their attitudes on gender and race seem somewhat socially conservative, but they really have nothing to gain by fighting gay marriage.
>>5265357
>However, they have little to gain by being strongly socially conservative
Ben Carson and Donald Trump constitute over 50% of GOP voter support because of their socially conservative platforms. That, and many of the candidates are strongly opposed to gay marriage for a variety of reasons.
>>5265380
But no candidate is actually saying they intend to fight the gay marriage decision
>>5265393
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/25/politics/national-organization-marriage-same-sex-marriage/
>>5265346
I love a man in uniform. >no homo<
>>5265398
M-me too
>>5265410
For you >no homo<
>>5265481
JUST
>>5265494
n-no homo
>>5265506
absolutely no homo tho
>>5265518
Thats right, aboslutely no homo. Not even a little bit.
>>5265518
Zero. Ziltch. Nada.
>>5265555
Just bro's being bro's on the lbgt board. So not gay.
>>5265584
Fucking fags, you should all be ashamed of yourself, and i am totally NOT fapping to this thread ok?
>>5265357
I have trouble to believe “husband should be dominant over his wife” and some of the other points seem anecdotal and prone to evolve or disappear.
When I hear about conservative values, I first think of being a fervent Christian and involved in the local community which revolves around the local church, at least in my understanding of the middle and upper-middle classes' American dream's gated neighborhood. This means, beside events such as barbecues, fairs or charities, a strong sense of merging into a group, feeling concerned with its neighbbors and keeping up the appearances. On a more personal approach, I think it implies a long-term relationship with its partner who will eventually be the only partner in your life, a strong disdain for divorce and erratic sexual behaviors, which range from too frequent and not love-driven intercourses to specific practices such as masturbation or BDSM. It also implies the desire to help the others, fight against atheism, disregard greed, lust and idleness, promote working and proselytism. It seems to me the homosexuals can meet most of these requirements.
What are the other values?
>>5265584
who dis
>>5265634
No idea, he just a sexy sailor i came across on the web.
>>5265584
>>5265667
I like sexy sailors.
>>5265749
moar pls
>>5265757
Funnily enough having trouble finding but here you go
>>5262121
>Only the first-world left wing parties manage to be dumber than then, and suddenly you realize they accepted gays not because they actually understand it's normal, but because they are accepting of absolutely everything.
This
>>5262121
>Christians
>Muslims
>uneducated and retarded
What?
They're as fucked up as the christians were during witch hunts. Fuck em, fuck em to hell, literally worse than the nazis were in ww2. There's no valid reason for anyone to be in that fucked up cult let alone openly advocate for its perpetuation.
I have a gay friend who lives in a mudslime country, its worse than you can imagine. I'm ready to advocate for banning that "religion" even if it means I get labeled as a fedora tipper.
>>5266307
■christians during witch burnings
Nigga hardly anyone died and that stuff wasnt even supported by any major church. Its more overblown than the inquisition.
>>5264005
Are you for real?
You sound mega petty.
Or super scared
Forget this retarded shit lets get back to sexy men in uniform. Remember to no homo.
What about the East Asian Muslims?
I mean I know in Indonesian you could get arrested in two states, but everywhere else is fine.
what is their opinion on it?
what about Kazakhstan?
I live in a rural area in the United States
I've met a handful of muslims, all of whom are nice, liberal people
however, every country has a right to decide who can live there
citizenship is a privilege, not a right
I don't blame Europe for not wanting any more of these people, after they were shit on for allowing them in the first place
also fuck Israel, they're the ones who signed up to go live in the middle of a volatile region
>>5261300
hi anons,
I'm a muslim and I'd like to clarify this a little, if I can.
Islam says that homosexuality is a sin and that it is not permitted.
However, Islam does not promote hatred.
It does not tell us to hate people because they are not following the same rules we are supposed to follow. We have no right to judge any human being and his position with god that can only be done by god.
Homophobia is there amongst a lot of muslims for the same reason it's there amongst others> because they are afraid of it/ do not understand it.
To conclude, I try to follow my religion as much as I can. But, I do not hate someone just because they're a homosexual or a person that drinks, etc. They have the right to do anything they please as long as it hurts nobody.
>>5266882
you're a good man, anon
don't let these nazis get you down
>>5266799
what the
a rational post appears!
>>5267939
>implying he won't get sent to a “treatment facility”
>>5266882
>However, Islam does not promote hatred.
That's wonderful. But apparently you're in the minority on that, since if you look at how the Muslim world actually treats homosexuals, hate is probably the softest word you can use. Despise, marginalize, subjugate, those are much better words to use.
So it's great that Muslims (who mostly live in the West) can tell me what their faith doesn't actually do, how they don't hate homosexuals and how they don't really hate atheists or the West, but then I see how the Muslim world is actually performing and it seems to contradict your apologistic claims.
>They have the right to do anything they please as long as it hurts nobody.
That's great, but again the vast majority of your brothers in faith clearly do not think that way.
>>5266882
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
quran 5:33
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.
quran 9:111
And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."
quran 3:56
ISIS follows Islam correctly, you follow haram
your religion is shit
go to the middle east and stay there, you arent welcome anywhere else
>>5268098
I never understood this argument
aren't we better off if they're intellectually dishonest but peaceful?
you know
like most christians?
>>5263226
liberal WN's loves gays
>>5268129
Im an ex muslim, I agree that it's good for us but the problem with that is a lot of imams actually tell us to lie for Allah that way we can convert more and kill the sinners after. current stats place extremism at 15-25%, honestly I think it is higher because my family would be considered "moderate" but behind closed doors with other muslims they very much support radical Islam.
It's a belief that hasn't had the luxury of growing like Christianity, even though I am an atheist now. Mohammad (poop be upon him) is a child rapist, slaver, and a warmonger who gained a following that threatens western lives
>>5265174
they already are. It's the religious right that is adapting still, which is more than I can say for the smaller religious left (blacks) who are less accepting of it in polls
>>5268129
Because intellectual Christianity is at worst, laziness; for Muslims the worst and a probable reason is the Taqiyya principle of hiding the true nature of Islam for fear of putting off the kufr.
>>5268157
>Im an ex muslim, I agree that it's good for us but the problem with that is a lot of imams actually tell us to lie for Allah that way we can convert more and kill the sinners after. current stats place extremism at 15-25%, honestly I think it is higher because my family would be considered "moderate" but behind closed doors with other muslims they very much support radical Islam.
Very scary to hear this coming from an exmuslim, anon.
>>5268170
I want off mr bones wild ride. pretty scary to think 1 in 5 people in the world wants you dead just because you're gay
Europe is becoming muslim. You do the math.
I notice an increasing interest of homosexuals for nationalist/conservative anti-immigration parties. Lots of leaders among those parties are/were homosexual.
Yet I'm convinced most of gays are still leaning toward the left thanks the carrot of special treatment and promise to "educate" the rest of the population. In fact it means the new generations of straight native people are becoming pussies, while the muslim stay as radical as ever thanks to multiculturalism.
What's the point of pushing those useless agendas if you contribute to the replacement of a tolerant civilization by an ultra-conservative one?
>>5269663
>while the muslim stay as radical as ever thanks to multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism is hardly the cause of muslims remaining radical. If anything, it would make them more westernized.
>>5266700
>Or super scared
Any lgbt person worth their weight in salt should fear islam because muslims want us dead.
>but da christians and da jews
I don't like them either fucknugget. Religion has no place in a civilized world.
>>5269676
I was opposing multiculturalism that allows each community to keep their traditions even if they are more backwards, to assimilation.
Maybe I'm biased because my country knows immigration since the end of the 19th century and the first generations of people who came were kind of forced to assimilate themselves, the result being the complete erasure of their original culture.
This process began to stop with the coming of muslims because of the too large cultural gap, because of their sheer number but also because the natives and assimilated lost their ferocity and felt more and more guilty about forcing the culture on the newcomers.
>>5269725
In the end, there are only two options: assimilation or annihilation. Globalization has made nationalism obsolete, we can't stay isolated from each other forever. Not that I'm advocating rapidly mixing populations, it could be something more gradual.
I say if Europe is taking in Mudslimes that America should take in all the lgbt people from Europe. They're not safe with Muslims around and deserve a good life.
The far left doesn't understand what Islam is.
They don't understand that "the vast majority of Islamic states" is not a small handful of extremists ruining it for everybody else.
They don't get how things change when a group begins to gain power, and that it's only "the religion of peace" because they're mostly powerless in the west.
They don't realize that the nice individuals in front of them don't necessarily represent the movement as a whole, and that many of those individuals can be flipped like a switch under the right influence.
They can't see that a future where Islam is allowed to grow is a future where women wear burkas and non-Muslims pay a non-Muslim tax, regardless of how far away that might seem right now.
They only know that they're supposed to be nice to the poor oppressed minority. They really need to wake up and realize why the ideology is so goddamn unpopular.
>>5269880
When they wake up it will be too late.
>>5269880
I'm a Lefty and I absolutely know religion is the problem.
>>5268098
U so mad bro.
>>5261492
Al Jizzira made a survey, asked tens of thousands of muslims, 80% of them supported ISIS.
Your argument is invalid.
>>5271816
>tens of thousands
cool story bro
>>5266882
>However, Islam does not promote hatred.
Save those lies for people who didnt read Koran, troll.
>>5261312
muslims in general are way more conservative than the other groups you've mentioned.
>>5267939
>nazis
Muslims love nazis, nazis loved muslims. You are silly.
>>5261492
...i guess YOU don;t know how statistics work if you think that a survey isn't valid unless every member of the surveyed population is asked. plus the fact that more secular/tolerant countries were asked would only serve to bias the survey in the direction of tolerance no the other way around
>>5261535
>faith without action is empty
this is the essence of Catholicism, the whole idea of the protestant reformation was SOLA FIDE latin for faith alone. meaning that for protestants it in not necessary to do good works to earn gods grace since the whole point of gods mercy is that he gives it to humans who aren't worthy of it. also isn;t this an LGBT board?
I just met a bisexual muslim.
Stop generalizing.
>>5271844
No one denies that gay and bisexual muslims exist. There are homosexual victims of radical Islam especially in the Middle East, of course no one in the West cares about it since using correct pronouns for trannies is more important.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/19/being-gay-isnt-as-sexy-as-isis-fight-for-iraq-queer-community_n_8584148.html
>>5262187
I wonder how the rationalisation process goes with this:
>Masturbating is fucking pathetic bro, how are we ever going to become worthy of our brides?
>We need to learn how to fuck broads!
>Of course! But we have no money for whores and we do not have the prestige for wives...
>Bro we'll just take turns on each other and we'll be mega-stars!
>[high-5-slap]
Once Sunni and Shia Muslims stop killing each other and they start growing towards more civilized society, there will be a whole new branch of qts in gay community. But sadly it won't happen in my lifetime.
I wish we could build a giant bubble between where israel ends and pakistan begins, as well as over all of north africa, and just say alright, until you learn to play nice with each other and solve your own shit you can't have a place at the table of other nations, and all the bleeding heart liberals who disagree with this can join all these peaceful people in their shitty bubble.
If you practice islam but believe your beliefs should not hinder anyone elses rights than you are cool.
>>5261300
>"Gays for Palestine" even though Muslims hate gays.
>>5275766
The biggest conflict between Muslims is that Sunnis and Shiites can't stand each other. They have same god but they are just guaranteed one must be destroyed. Doesn't help Saudis spread Islamophobia among Muslims themselves by anti-Shiite talk.
