Which is the better method?
1) Speedy sudden transition, possibly by cocoon mode, randomly turn into a makeup and skirt wearing girl after a couple months
2) Super slow transition, Take the hormones as usual but present as male for a number of years slowly wearing more and more female clothes, eventually when you feel everyone around you has gotten used to you being so girly you start with the female pronouns
Pic sort of related, I think he's a number 2 transitioner.
2) is the more sane approach. You'll get a feel for what you feel comfortable with and by the time you come to attempting to pass you won't have the same kind of embarrassing issues that a lot of the NEET losers on here have like being too socially anxious to buy makeup, or girls' clothes, or having no knowledge whatsoever in how to wear said makeup and girl's clothes in a way that doesn't make you look like a piece of hideous trash.
2. You aren't gonna have passable voice or mannerisms going by number 1 unless you were already intersex or something, so you'll just be seen as a weird tranny for a good bit
>>5256559
As the ones before me have said, 2 is easier to pull off. If you're extremely confident in being able to make such a large change in a short time, go for 1. It's the better option, but disproportionately harder.
>>5256687
say gynecomastia and no money for surgery?
>>5256559
i'm doing 1 right now. practicing voice, hair care, skincare, makeup, fashion, and mannerisms. 1 i think is more stressful, but totally works, but also doesn't make people ever see you as a woman. like, if you give them time to slowly adjust they'll see you as girly but if you suddenly adjust they're react to it.
what if you never leave your house anyway
>>5256687
Wear baggy clothes
Unless you're lucky enough to get actually well developed boobs, in which case I guess you're fucked
>>5256559
transitioning happens at different paces for everyone.
most trans people want to start fast tracking the second after the come out. I was like that too. There is no objective "best" method.
I think its very important that before you start your transition that you self advocate. Be sure you know what the process entails, and that your expectations of it may not be a reality. There are some trans people that think that the second they start hormones they will suddenly transform into this ideal form of the gender they identify as. Dont delude yourself into fantasy. Transitioning takes time to get where you want to be, some more than others. Just make damn sure you know what you are getting into.
>>5256559
Personally I went with a kind of in-between approach. Using clothing such as long feminine cardigans, natural makeup, growing my hair out for a few years, trying to talk with a less deep voice, I got a feel of what it was like to be less masculine, and I liked it.
Then I got hormones and even before I took them, just the knowledge that I would finally have the right hormones gave me the courage to wear 'woman-only' things like skirts in public. By that time I had been practicing with my voice for years too so I could actually somewhat pass already, and then hormones just smoothened out the details and it became all good.
Instead of going for a full dress-up or something permanent like hormones right away, try how it feels to just be androgynous, step by step. If you go a bit too fast and people ask you questions, just appeal using the value of individuality. I remember classmates asking me if it wasn't a bother to have such ridiculously long hair, and I just said having long hair gave me a really nice feeling that weighed up to the maintenance it required.
>>5256687
Sports bra you fucking turkey
By far number two.
18 started hrt.
Over the corse of a year started growing my hair out and get laser on my face.
Also lost a shit ton of weight.
It's funny cause my brother told me "I don't even see anything different about you, when will the hormones do something"
I showed him a pic of a year ago and I look completely different.
Sure I don't pass 100% and I'll probably need ffs to do so.
But I pass enough to equally get genderd female and male.
Mind you while presenting as male.
So much less stress.
People say I look really feminine or I'm a pretty boy.
So as soon as I have sufficient boobage and my hair grows out some I'm gonna do porn. To save up for ffs.
>>5256988
Why not just escorting? it's probably easier
I did #1. It's really hard to plan it out unless you know how the hormones are going to affect you. I really felt awkward being out as trans but still going out in boy-mode, so I took my hormones in secrecy. I ended up looking like a 14 year old boy after 2 months on hormones and people kept on questioning it so I was like "Fuck it!" and I came out and dove right into girl mode. I had already been practicing my voice in private so speaking wasn't really an issue. I had like 2 awkward months where I had some masculine mannerisms but I quickly grew out of that just from being immersed in "girl mode". I was only part time for like a month, but I still occasionally presented as a guy until I was about 5 months into HRT. Now I'm at 8 months in and being a girl feels completely normal and I blend in pretty well.
Pic related, my timeline which I need to update
>>5257024
risk of disease and violence afaik
>>5257029
lmao you dropped 5 years in 2 weeks. you look wayyy younger as a girl in general
>>5257029
Damn girl, you fine
>>5256876
Kek
>>5257029
>Voice seminar
Let's hear that seminar-trained voice.
I really don't get you people that start hormones before coming out.
>>5257294
>paranoid of body masculinizing
>don't care about transition just want to stop looking masculine
>eventually can't hide it anymore
that's how it worked for me
>>5257307
Same. I basically wanted to be sure I wasn't a hon before outing myself to anyone. I didn't want to "disappoint" them with my transition, so to speak.
>>5257318
yeah it's really important to other people as well that you manage to look feminine otherwise they won't see it as being as legitimate as it could be.
I did 2, it helped me stop caring what people thought of me.
>>5256559
It does depend on what kind of community you live in, or if you plan to move to a new place with new people once you go fulltime. In my case everyone is accepting so I just jumped into it once HRT has done enough work and learning how to dress, wear makeup, my female voice, etc.
I think the best method is to stay on HRT for as long as you need, getting laser done helps a lot,, but while doing so, gather information, take use of resources and people who will help you, then you also want to grow out your hair, practice voice, mannerisms, how to dress and how to apply makeup. Once you've managed to find your style, if in an accepting society you can jump into it girlmode, and if you don't want people recognizing you; move to the other side of the city you live in so you can keep your circle of friends and family, for example, or to a new city altogether. I guess this is pretty close to #1, but more detailed and well thought out.
>>5257236
Oh yeah, I went to music school and am a classically trained dramatic baritone. lol.
>>5257294
I did make up and stuff in private for a while but I didn't have the confidence to act feminine or anything in public until HRT. I was really repressed though, my personality has changed tons as I've opened up and started acting more naturally
>>5256596
i wish i could pick clothes that wouldn't make me look like a piece of hideous trash
>>5257035
and porn doesn't have a risk of disease? kek
>>5256630
>already intersex
>implying you can become intersex
>in your dreams, tranny
>>5256559
I'm more of the flee to the other side of the country and start a new life type of transitioner. I didn't care if I knew my friends and family would be supportive. I just didn't want to see anyone that had known me before.
>>5260796
well I'm already a basement dweller so i don't have that problem.
>>5260796
You would be surprised, I have some older friends in their 40's that I thought I would have to come clean to and it was gonna be a huge mess. But after a while they just accepted me as a grill, no if ands or buts. They asked me wtf was going on you should have been a girl etc. and I was like "lol I am a girl". Now hanging out with them and shit is a different story and they prolly talk crap behind my back. Looks like a duck kinda thing, smooth slow easy is the way not to create a shock
I stayed on hrt for two years. And I still live as a guy. Cause whats the point when you arent born with a little baby face like >>5257029
Might as well not transition and just be a cute guy when thats all your genetics allow for. Depressing.
my life is number 2 by default because I started as a fucking ham planet
>>5260956
>not losing weight before transition
>>5260986
damn work on your comprehension of the english language before you post here baka t b h
Option two in 100% of cases. Anyone saying otherwise is impatient and likely has had hormones for less than a year.
Option one is much more likely to lose you friends and turn you into a freak in public.
Option two has no downsides, other than time waited. However, with option two you don't go out in girlmode unless you pass. For me the clue to do this was when I would go around in boymode and consistently be called female pronouns, etc. When your best boymode is failing, it is time to go girlmode with no worries.
If you go with option one, any time you get gendered correctly by others will be nothing but a lie. You don't want polite gendering, you want genuine and honest gendering. Just put in your time and wait for the hornones to do their thing. Eventually you won't even be keeping track of the months youve been on hormones - you wont even really think about the fact that you're on them - and time will fly by.
Just do option two. Could take a year, or as long as 4. Don't make the rest of us look bad, just wait and let the hormones work on you.
t. started hormones over 7 years ago
>>5261077
Someone is bitter that hormones didn't work out for them as fast as they wanted it to :^)
>>5261077
lol this is such bad advice
>>5256559
I didn't option 1 and it worked out perfectly.
>>5261609
>>5261651
t. "zzomg 2 months hormanes!! do i pass guise?!?!"
Why would I be bitter when I went girlmode 6 years ago, at 1.5 years hormones? Back when you were in elementary school, I was going around as a girl. It's bad advice if you want to risk going around as a freak.
Even if you're the luckiest person on Earth - you physically cannot have changed much prior to the year mark. Your breasts, among other things, simply have not had enough time to grow and change.
>>5261691
Thank you - the point is that I notice a lot of new, non-passing (yet) trannies going girlmode when they clearly are not ready. Even for those who had a good starting point, you will look much better at 1-4 years hormones than you will any point before then. This also gives you time to perfect your voice and such - i.e. make it so you can talk loudly, or even yell - not just some shitty quiet voice. If you don't wait at least a year, you're doing it too fast, plain and simple.
>>5257029
When do you expect to start passing?
>>5262053
I've lived as gril for almost two years via option 1. Kinda bumpy at first but everything's working out just fine.
>>5262053
Want to add that your location does matter a lot. I live in the Deep South and not in a metropolitan area. Going for number 1 would be like signing my death warrant
>>5256559
I sort of cheated. I did the slow change and presented heavily as male even after I could probably pass but held off. Then moved across country, donated all my male clothes to charity and instantly went feminine.
>>5262053
2 yrs hrt
I go to work (customer service) in a blouse/cardigan/skirt every day. I usually always get gendered female, but rarely I'll get male which is quickly corrected. If I go out on loose sweater shirts and jeans I get female pronouns.
Most people in threads say I pass. My extremely negative friend says I pass as long as my hair is on point. My voice isn't stellar, quiet and shitty like you said but I get gendered female on the phone. I also just don't think I'm capable of making it much better.
And even if I don't pass fully I look qt enough in girl clothes that work for me.
Am I an embarrasement to the tranny race?
>>5262056
Six months in at least.
>>5262053
I disagree with this. I've changed plenty prior to the year mark. I looked completely different even two months in. I'm not trying to brag, but hormones effects everyone differently. I also disagree with the larger point you're trying to make. There's nothing wrong with going girl-mode and not passing if it helps your dysphoria and general mental health. Who cares if you're not stereotypically feminine enough? Of course you'll LOOK better 1-4 years in, but if you don't care about that then it's not a big deal. As long as you're living genuinely, fuck what everyone else thinks. Transitioning is all about making yourself comfortable in your own skin. That's just my 2 cents anyway.
>>5262550
> I've changed plenty prior to the year mark
When you actually pass the year mark and proceed to 2, 3, 4 etc. years, you'll see just how little your changes so far have been.
>There's nothing wrong with going girl-mode and not passing if it helps your dysphoria and general mental health.
Yes there is. If you don't pass, you are a freak in public. Maybe people will be polite, maybe they won't - but regardless, they will in their minds be thinking "wow what a freak." Nobody should want that - to be okay with that is to be socially abnormal. Only the crazy trannies are willing to go girlmode prior to passing. I have yet to see a case where this is not true.
>I looked completely different even two months in. I'm not trying to brag, but hormones effects everyone differently.
They do indeed effect everyone differently - however, for the vast majority of people, 2 months will leave them with nothing but younger, nicer looking smooth skin, perhaps some breast buds forming, etc. Anything less than a year is not enough, for anyone. Even if you can pass, you're most certainly below -your- optimum. The main point, though, is this - I think nobody should go girlmode until their best boymode consistently fails. This is the only socially acceptable point at which to go girlmode - also the only point at which you're sure to not make the rest of us look bad. If that point happens prior to a year, good for you. You're an outlier - the time passed does not matter, so long as you pass. For most, that will be 1-4 years, or possibly even never without surgery and such.
The focus is less on how much time it takes everyone - since that varies widely - but rather on waiting until that point where boymode can't work anymore, whenever that point might take place for each individual. This minimizes risk and embarrassment. We go our entire lives up to the point of transition as a male - a little longer doesn't hurt - it's easier than it was before, just from physical changes.
>>5262777
>Nobody should want to be okay with what is socially abnormal
I completely disagree with that line of thinking, and I think you care too much about what people think of you.
Also, some trans girls never pass. Should they never transition? Some trans girls are okay with not passing. And there's nothing wrong with that.
>>5262216
That's not cheating, you dumbass, that's being smart about it.
>>5262842
>Also, some trans girls never pass. Should they never transition?
obviously, because fulfilling their personal happiness makes other people uncomfortable. other peoples feelings about what is appropriate are very important, anon :^)
>>5262777
Good luck being too scared to ever come out.
>>5256559
Number 2. Potentially more painful process (because it's slower), but there's less chance of mistakes.
lol i really cannot understand the attitude that's popular here that you should wait years before you "go girlmode" or should only "go girlmode" if you're sure you're going to pass. i mean, why would you bother continuing to pretend you're something you aren't (your assigned gender). why would you bother forcing yourself to adhere to that gender role, denying yourself from being who you are, for some unknown number of years just so you can maybe hold on to some dream that you're one of the "good ones." it doesn't make sense. why would you want to continuing living like that? how can you bear to do that? why do you think it will be any easier five years down the road than if you were to start figuring things out now? the time you don't spend seriously trying and putting yourself out there is time wasted that you aren't going to get back. it's never going to be much less awkward because you're only going to figure out how live in the world the way you want to through years of experience actually trying. you're only going to figure out and get used to presentation and all that through actually trying and doing it. it's never not going to be awkward and hard, and the sooner you start working on all if it the better. you're wasting your time if you don't start making change and force yourself to live as and keep up appearances as a guy. cis people don't give a shit about you and aren't going to give you some sort of trophy for assimilating yourself to their standards.
by all means, don't push yourself to do things you aren't comfortable with. figure out what change you want to make for where you are each step of the way. it isn't a race, and different people will be comfortable at different speeds, but don't let a desire to be normal or to fit in keep you from making change, trying new things, and putting yourself out there in a way you feel better reflects yourself. it's okay to not look cis and you shouldn't hold yourself back for fear of being different
>>5263409
ultimately it's your life to make the most of. don't make yourself miserable continuing to live as a TOTALLY NORMAL MAN HERE YUP JUST ONE OF THE BOYS for the benefit of other people. you deserve better than that. it's your life to live and you could be dead tomorrow.
and honestly? i really wonder about the people who profess not going "girlmode" until they're sure they'll pass. maybe it's just me, but i couldn't live like that. i'd rather people think i'm some kind of faggy weirdo than force myself to live as a man. the thought is disgusting to me. i couldn't continue living as a man; it was too painful and i coudn'tn do it anymore regardless of wether or not i would pass. to be honest, when i hear people saying they'll wait until maybe they pass, it sounds a lot like the stereotypical hon mindset of living in relative comfort being a man until the "opportune" time for them to transition in a more privileged and comfortable position. that works for some people, but many trans people suffer extreme enough dysphoria that they don't have the choice of waiting for clearer skies, and can't continue live in a way that makes them miserable
>>5262903
I came out about it 6.5 years ago, hon. :^)
>>5262842
>should they never transition?
Depends on whether they'd rather off themselves, wait till surgery (if possible) or walk around as a man in a dress.
>>5262886
It's not just about other people's feelings - it's about your own. If you're ok with being seen as a freak, then, by all means, go for it. Go be a freak. If I didn't pass I'd probably be doing the same thing.
>>5263571
Stereotypical hon mindset is going around as a man in a dress, not the other way around.
All of you, just face it - some people don't want to do girlmode in public until they know it won't fail. OP was asking for advice - and option two is the one that will be the least damaging. If they end up not passing, they can just go around as a man in a dress or kill themselves or whatever. Option two is the option if you want to save face and have a smooth transition, rather than a jarring (to others) lurch into it where you're not even pulling it off at the start.
I waited because I wanted stealth mode, not "IM A TRANNY GET USED TO IT HURRRH!!" mode.
To add more:
>>5263571
>implying I didn't dress in girl clothes at home
>implying I went full on "HURR just one of the guys!!" with my boymode
>implying I didn't go around as an incresingly feminine queer until I felt comfortable with my passing
>>5264015
>MAN IN A DRESS LOL FREAK LOL
nice transphobic stereotypes my friebd A+++ doedn't reek of internalized transphobia at all lmao
i mean, it depends on how feminine you are in the first place. i was a blatant flamer my whole life, so prolonging the process just made no sense for me. do whatever you're comfortable with, it takes experience to dress for your body type and you're probably going to look awkward for a little while no matter how you do it.
>>5264063
Do you go around with blinders on or something? And earmuffs? People talk shit about trannies behind their back or even in front of them all the time. If you're not passing yet still in public in girlmode, you get seen as a freak. My place of work used to be right next door to the only trans clinic in the city, so non passing mtfs in girlmode would come through all the time. Every time, without fail, customers and coworkers would make comments about them. Wake up. If you don't pass yet still go around in public in girl mode, everyone -does- think of you as a man-in-a-dress freak. Regardless of what they say to your face.
>>5264358
for a bunch of weird looking neet fags, people on this board sure seem to care a lot about what others think
>>5264387
I'm sorry wanting to be a member of society is such a foreign concept to you
>>5264413
you're a member of society whether people talk shit about you or not and blending in isn't going to stop anyone from talking shit anyway... i get wanting to blend in, but you have to deal with the hand you've been dealt.. you can't transition without an awkward phase.
>>5264457
>you can't transition without an awkward phase
This is very true - but going girlmode too early only adds awkwardness.
>you're a member of society whether people talk shit about you or not
Simply living somewhere does not make you an automatic member of society - being seen as a man in a dress makes you a social outcast. You're not able to participate with others in society as easily as a normal person or someone who is trans, but passes and blends in.
>>5264358
at some point in life you have to grow a spine. some people will think you're weird if they can tell you're trans. so what. plenty of other people are more understanding. besides, it's not like trans people are the only people who may sorely stand out. plenty of people deal with similar issues yet still manage to go about their lives with relative dignity. people can be shitty monsters. that doesn't mean you have to let their opinions of you weigh you down
>>5264598
It doesn't mean every tranny should just jump into girlmode the moment they pop their first skittles, either. If you can get away with waiting and being more invisible, before and after switching from boymode to girlmode, then it's much better for you, socially. If you're stuck not passing then you have to bite the bullet in some form or another. However, if you can minimize how much you're seen as a freak, i.e. by waiting to go girlmode until you pass, you should.
>>5264536
i mean the main point is that if you're going to transition you can't be afraid of looking weird in public, it's just going to happen. it doesn't mean you can't blend in, but it'll probably take a bit of time to grow into your new presentation, and that's fine.
>>5262053
>tfw starting at 23
>tfw by method number 2 I won't be a girl till I'm 27
>tfw my sexual value will be gone by then
>>5263409
All these hons crying "waah why won't society accept me?" Fuck sake I bet 60% of hon syndrome is caused by trannies throwing on a frilly dress after a month on hormones. Give it a couple years so that you don't freak out the general public and hence make life difficult for the rest of us. You know I remember the first Big Brother, had a woman on it that came out as trans and nobody cared even though this was 15 years ago because she passed. Society is actually quite accepting of trannies so long as they pass, hons give us a bad name.
>>5265180
>tfw 26
>enough said
>>5265180
If you end up passing you'll likely pass before 27. On top of this, if you look good, you'll probably have plenty of sexual value at 27 - it's not like you skip from 25 immediately to 45. Plenty of 30 year old women are good looking. I know many who you wouldn't even guess are that old.
>>5261077
>or as long as 4
No way. Most changes happen first 6 months.
I've been on hormones as long as you have and I've been full time since like 3 months in.
How dare you lie to people so they waste their youth waiting and marinating in their own insecurities.
>>5265948
Seconding this. Stop encouraging people to be cowards.
>>5265948
>Most changes happen first 6 months
>I've been full time since like 3 months in
Hahahaha, oh wow.
I really hope that wasn't the case for you. Breasts don't just magically appear after 6 months. Female fat distribution is the same deal. Do you have like no bodyfat whatsoever right now, and through the whole process? No tits? No ass? Are you vegan/vegetarian? Did you start at like 50 or something? Something has to be wrong with your situation if you had nothing happen after 6 months.
I'm not telling people to waste their youth - I'm telling them it's a good idea to pass before you go out in public as a female.
>>5265969
My message is not to be a coward - it is that going out in public in girlmode prior to passing -will- make you look like a freak in the eyes of the public, and help tarnish the reputation of MtFs. When people think of MtFs they think of men in dresses, not cute passing ones. If you don't care about being a freak in public, go ahead. It's unhealthy not to recognize that fact, though.
>>5265982
Part of the reason this advice is fucking stupid is that going out en femme is the best way ever to learn to pass, most of it isn't hormones. Also it teaches you not to be a little bitch about people's opinions/getting clocked or a cunt to trans women who don't pass.
>>5265989
If you're afraid to be seen as a freak, you're a fucking coward. It's unhealthy not to recognize that fact especially if you're a tranny.
>>5264358
But anon, what if I don't pass but fem clothes suit me and I look girly and cute?
>>5256559
It's always a bit of both, the main difference is how fast.
>>5265994
I was not afraid to be seen as a freak - some awkwardness is unavoidable while transitioning - however you don't need to be going around in girlmode 100% of the time to learn how to nail it, and going part-time before going full time is a good idea so you make less of an ass of yourself. If you're willing to go out and make an ass of yourself, you have no shame, and should be embarrassed.
>>5265993
>going out en femme is the best way ever to learn to pass, most of it isn't hormones
Tell that to this unfortunate soul. Pic related. Hormones didn't do much for them - so according to your logic, simply acting the part will make it happen for them, right? kek
If you do pass physically and nail down your behaviors, voice, etc. for public interaction, you don't have to worry about people's opinions or getting clocked. You also don't have to give a shit about those who don't pass. If you think waiting longer than 3 months to present in girlmode is a bad idea, you're impatient. Good things come to those who wait.
>>5266025
Then you can go around with everyone thinking you're a cutesy fem twink. Exactly which girl clothes you're talking about also matters.
>>5265982
I had breasts prior to taking estrogen. My fat distribution didn't change much. I just lost muscle mass. I had an ass before and after. It only got a bit less muscular and a bit more flabby. All that happened within the first six months. In 3 months my face had changed enough that I felt comfortable enough going full time. Do keep in mind I started hrt at 17 so the changes were pretty quick. The only changes that happened past the first year were a bit of fullness in the breasts, but that doesn't really change passing one way or the other.
>>5266053
>I had breasts prior to taking estrogen
>It only got a bit less muscular and a bit more flabby
>flabby
So were you fat before and after? That'd explain a lot.
>>5266047
Maximizing the amount of time spent presenting how you want increases the amount of adjustment, working out your wardrobe, how to talk to people, etc. Being insecure about "making an ass of yourself" is again, just insecurity that you're pointlessly encouraging. Things like makeup, outfit, and so forth are also passing components that are all part of living your life the way you want as a woman that it doesn't make sense to me to develop in a vacuum. Confidence is also a huge part of it, usually early on people are all squirrely and it's a big tip-off. Anyway, people like that may never pass and that is fine. Most trans women don't pass and you're a cunt if you continue to pile shit on them.
>>5256687
This is literally the only reason I'm still hesitant about starting HRT. I can stand to wear a binder or sports bra for only so long.
>>5266103
You can get around having to wear them by garment choice. Zip-down hoodies and such are good for concealment, just zip them partially or all the way down. Same deal with button-up shirts - leave them unbuttoned and it'll help hide them. Wear multiple t-shirts at once. The larger they get the more difficult it will be to conceal them without sports bra/binder and such, but simple clothing choices can go a long way for hiding them and/or minimizing their notability.
>>5266082
>doesn't make sense to me to develop in a vacuum
You don't have to develop them in a vacuum. I started going to house parties and such in girlmode - that helped a good deal, and having a couple drinks helped bolster my confidence - not that you want to drink very often at all. You can also do simple things when starting out like going to convenience stores/gas stations at night. Less people around, less worry about getting clocked. As time goes on you ramp up how many places and situations you go in as female. The whole time, I was girlmode at home, with helpful female roommates. You don't have to just jump out there 100% girlmode 100% of the time, only mere months into transition. You can slowly wade into the pool, rather than jumping off the high dive into the deep end.
>>5266122
>hoodies
Eugh. When I said I can wear binders and sports bras for only so long, I said it because it limits what I can wear, and I really, really love fashion. Goodbye tank tops and anything made of sheer fabric.
That's if I do transition. If I do, I hope to never grow ginormous boobies. I guess starting late has its benefits.
>>5266161
>starting late
How old are you?
Also if it's that big of a deal for you why even bother hiding what you do get? What are your motivations for transitioning?
>>5266171
24.
There's a lot of "ifs" to consider before I transition. One of those, of course, is if I can pass straight out of the gate (some "magic" might be required). If I can, then I'll forget about wearing a binder or sports bra and I won't bother hiding anything.
>What are your motivations for transitioning?
Hint: it might have something to do with crippling gender dysphoria and suicide.
>>5266190
>hint:
I was mainly asking just because of the whole "I hope to never grow ginormous boobies" thing. But your answer clears it up nicely.
I know some girls who passed fine starting at 25, however, it all depends on your bone structure, genetics, etc. as I'm sure you know. It's pretty easy to hide the boobs early on, for most people, so I wouldn't really worry about it - let yourself worry about it when they actually arrive, don't let it stop you from transitioning.
While I may be one of the big supporters of going with the 2nd option in this thread, you shouldn't let awkwardness get in the way of you transitioning. An awkward inbetween phase is pretty much a guarantee at some point along the way. If you don't pass right out the gate, odds are you can easily hide the fact that you're transitioning or just be awkward and such for a while, if you are so inclined. Either way, it's better to give the hormones a shot than to say "fuck it" and wind up wishing you had done it now, when you're later in life
>>5266253
I'm a big friend to awkward situations. I'll be sure to make the most of the "are you a guy or a girl?" phase of transitioning and try to enjoy it if at all possible.
>tfw itty bitty titties poking through tank top
>>5266190
>24
Is not late, is within the window where you're still a young transitioner, just fucking go fori it.
>>5266065
No. I was fairly fit before. I just had a pretty severe case of gyno.
I got flabbier because I lost muscle mass. That doesn't mean fatter and bigger, it just means my ass became less muscle and a thus a bit softer, but you can think whatever you want. Keep encouraging people to wait until they are years into hormones before they can start living their lives.
just do it
fuck cocooning in
go fulltime and be done with it tou coward
>>5266384
>Keep encouraging people to wait until they are years into hormones before they can start living their lives.
Yeah I'll go on doing that, just like I did in this post >>5266253
I'm not encouraging people to "not live their lives" I am encouraging them to be smart about going out in girlmode - I'm trying to get them to see you don't have to be abrupt with it and can gradually ease into it.
Flabby carries a connotation of being fat, thus me asking if you were fat.
>>5266426
t. hon
>>5269057
>my "gender therapist" forced me out to prove im trans
Europe?
