>always wanted to be a girl
>never really feel like I am a girl
>fuck myself with some toy, orgasm hands free
>feel like the most girly girl afterwards and actually feel good about myself
Is this normal or am I just a perv afterall?
>>4270218
Maybe repressed or confused trans, maybe just a perv. There are people with similar feels who have gone both ways.
Therapist.
>>4270224
/thread
>>4270218
>>never really feel like I am a girl
No trans feels like a girl.
>>4270224
I'll expand slightly. You should think about this stuff yourself too.
What do you think a female feels like, really? Does that apply to ALL females? Most? Just a bullshit stereotype that falls apart when you try to apply it to real people?
Now, judging by the same standard, what does a male feel like?
If your answers are that women feel like Barbie girls in a Barbie world, and men feel like firefighters who do MMA on the side, you're wrong. Rethink.
Go in terms of very basic feels and drives, not looks, jobs or stereotypes.
Once you've got a reasonable idea, which WILL be fuzzy and ill-defined (everyone is different after all); what do YOU feel like?
Usually in these situations people talk about the magic button test.
If there was some way where you had a choice between permanently and with no consequences in terms of friends/family etc being a hot, successful male and hot, successful female (magic, whatever) which way would you go?
How about hot guy vs. fugly female?
When it all comes to a close, what would you regret?
>>4270256
Well probably feeling like a girl doesn't really describe it. It's just feeling at ease with myself, like I can lift that barrier I normally have around me and just am abel to get into the mindset I feel comfortable with and can kinda like the reflection in the mirror.
>>4270267
Sounds like me.
Seems you could well have the transness.
How old are you?
>>4270272
>how old are you?
>It's too late your a hon a hon I tell yea!
>>4270286
Hon is a state of mind, sweetheart.
>>4270291
So true, hon.
>>4270256
I'm not sure what I feel as gender goes, growing up parents always say "guys don't do that" or stuff like that, im str8 but idea of being a girl with a bf is appealing as the role of being gf not a kink fantasy
>>4270256
>>4270256
I'd rather be a hot guy dealing with trans issues than not be trans and be a FUGLY girl. Does that make me not trans? I ain't gon be no hunchbacked abortion.
>>4270372
Well, I was/am a handsome male. But would prefer to be a female even if ugly. Though I may still be suicidal as either. I'd be more suicidal as male in anyway.
>>4270218
Best thought I have on the am I trans or perv, do you look at the TG threads on D for masturbation or I wish feelings. Not that it's for certain but I feel this answered it for me.
>>4270272
22, well I look rather feminin so I guess its not to late yet
>>4270256
I'd press the shit out of that button
>>4270224
I don't really know if its repressed or whatever, its just that its difficult for me to act the way I feel and however sometimes that switch gets flipped
Maybe I'm just bipolar as fuck
>>4270256
>Go in terms of very basic feels and drives
I don't get this. Like, I understand the looks/jobs/stereotypes thing is the wrong direction, but I'm not sure what the difference is actually supposed to be.
>>4270470
Think in terms of basic animal behavior (sorry, radfems).
It's not exactly reliable but its a good start.
>>4270801
I understand what you're asking, I just... don't have any information that would be helpful here.
I'm not trying to imply there is no difference, I'm just a really fucking dense person so that's not something I've picked up on.
>>4270889
People are going to argue with me now, but some semi-bullshit generalities to get you started;
>Male
>Sperm is cheap, might as well fuck anyone
>may get emotionally involved with 'good' partner, then want to provide, get protective, jealous
>Other males are potential friends, but also rivals
>Females are always potential mates if attractive
>Value strength and capability, naturally strive for ranking/dominance among males
>Attempt to copy successful males
>Less empathetic
>Female:
>Eggs are expensive, value steady partner for provision/protection
>will possibly play around with or switch to 'better offer'
>other females are potential friends but rivals
>value physical appearance
>attempt to copy successful females
>more empathetic
These are all very very general and specific people vary widely. This is all at a very basic instinctive level, human society is a lot more complicated but still mostly built on this foundation.
>>4270460
I'll post how I feel and you tell me if its similar to your situation.
When I was a teenager I liked to crossdress and imagine myself as the woman in the porn videos (still do that sometimes), I can't recall if I had other weird feelings besides those at that age but I always been kind of "girly", now (I'm 20) I tend to imagine myself as a woman but I don't get aroused, I been trying to make myself look more androgynous but then I watch something with a lot of testosterone (like an action movie) and I want to look more manly, so my particular problem is that I don't know what I want, like if I had to do the button test I wouldn't be able to choose, a lot of people mention autogynephilia so that could be an option but others say that is not a valid theory anymore.
>>4271029
Well, for me it started since I can remember really, I always wanted to play with dolls and watch the cartoons for girls and identified as a girl. Well I wasn't really allowed to watch that stuff because it wasn't for guys and in school I got bullied from 2nd grade until graduation, somehow forgetting about this feelings, but I was emotionally dead back than anyways and I guess it never completely left. Also never told my parents or anyone because I knew this wasn't normal and was or rather still am ashamed of it
However, back than I still often thought about how badly I wanted to be female, but it also became part of my sexual phantasies over time.
So I seriously don't know if I turned into a perv or if it's just natural to have these kind of urges, regarding the circumstances
>>4271062
>iktf
Sound like classic repressed MtF to me. THERAPIST.
>>4271029
Actually am supposed to have a therapist meeting in an hour but I seriously don't know if I should go, just will be fucking awkward anyways
>>4271070
Of course it's awkward, it's a good step though.
Therapists deal with worse shit than this all day. You have nothing to be embarrassed about.
>>4271025
Based on things of that nature I'm not really sure how I feel, of course I'm not OP so that's perhaps a bit less of an issue.
Either way that was interesting. Thanks, anon.
>>4271076
probably, guess I'll just get it over with, thanks anon
>>4270218
>always wanted to be a boy
>never really feel like I am a boy
>fuck myself with my hand, orgasm
>feel like the most boyly boy afterwards and actually feel good about myself
Is this normal or am I just a perv afterall?
>>4271070
I went to one and it was one of the most akward experiences in my life, it didn't help that I wasn't feeling "girly" anymore (with me these feelings comes in waves an last like one or two months before going away) so I didn't felt good talking about it and stopped going
>>4271101
>it didn't help that I wasn't feeling "girly" anymore (with me these feelings comes in waves an last like one or two months before going away)
this, so much this. Though it's more on a weekly basis for me
>>4271076
OP here,
didn't go after all, wouldn't even have had enough time to get properly dressed.
Been over a month since I last went there, because I had my final exams last week that I had to study for, and didn't feel any form of dysphoria during that month.
However, now that I'm done with those exams them feels are coming back,
Think that I need to figure out why I repress these feelings so much, and just be ok with being me before going there again.
Therapist settings seem pretty useless when I can't even talk about my feelings to begin with.
Guess I'll just send her a message whats going on, therapist should be used to that shit
>>4270218
You sound like me. I never emphasized with the whole "really feeling like you're supposed to be a girl" thing, but I've wanted to be a pretty, feminine girl ever since around age 9 or 10.
I also often jack off to the idea of being a girl and just doing normal things as a cute girl (or other weird things, since some of my fetishes are pretty obscure as well). Basically, the idea of sexual intercourse doesn't turn me on at all but the idea of being a girl does.
I've also always wanted to be feminine (as in, feminine girl, not feminine guy. there's a difference you can't ignore between the two) but at the same time somewhat masculine in terms of my personality.
>>4270218
Would being a perv be so bad?
>>4271402
>Basically, the idea of sexual intercourse doesn't turn me on at all but the idea of being a girl does.
Oh god are you me
>>4270224
So why exactly are trans people not considered perverted?
>>4271402
>Basically, the idea of sexual intercourse doesn't turn me on at all but the idea of being a girl does.
I used to be that way too, but then after I came to terms with myself, and thought of myself more as female then where was the excitement in such fantasies? None really. If I was a girl full time then that wouldn't be exciting anymore. What I really started to think about was being a girl with a man. And oh boy I think I was repressing the man part this whole time. My god do I want a man. I want one so bad.
>>4272389
As a guy or as a girl? I think I have a similar problem in the way that my submissive tendencies and shame for having them as a man mixed up with AGP and uncertain gay feelings that finally manifested after puberty. I really want to be a man and identify as such. These sudden gender OCD thoughts are killing me because I know I am male.
>>4272453
As a woman. I want a man as a woman. Before when I thought of myself as a man this was all confusing. And I refused to allow myself to think of men because of the gay stigma. Now that I accept I have a female gender identity well I want to have sex with a man, and I don't really care what I look like. I see myself as female, but there is no excitement there because I always think of myself as female now. Before I think the taboo aspect had something to do with it.
And if I were you I would try and let go of the idea that you are a man, and look at it from a more uncertain point of view. Sometimes your perspective can be very limiting.
If these thoughts are killing you then you have some disorder. Could be gender dysphoria, could be something else. But in order to determine if you really have gender dysphoria you need to be open to the idea that your gender identity might be female. That you might be female even if your physical body doesn't reflect that.
There is so much uncertainty in this and it will take time to figure out. That's why people recommend seeing a therapist. Unless you tell me your whole life story it's going to be hard for me to say for sure.
It sounds like you're just a perv, there's nothing wrong with that. You should embrace it and not be ashamed about it. You really don't sound trans at all but if you are just withholding other information and really think you might be trans, that's why there's the whole psychological assessment to get care for trans people. Go talk to a professional. That's what they're there for.
>>4270256
girls feel normal
boys feel normal
i feel weird
i don't wanna be hot, fuck. i just wanna be cute.
(if hot, i guess i'd stay at male: if cute, gib female body pls ;_; )
i'd regret taking a choice.
pls psychoanalize me. i've been on therapy for 2 months but the therapist believes i should fix my life before deciding my gender.
it means you're a buttslut OP.
you get off on the cultural idea of femininity being passive.
>>4272690
>you get off on the cultural idea of femininity being passive.
MtFs in a nutshell.
>>4272710
>>4270218
You sound like a faggot
>>4272721
but it's true.
