Satire or not satire
That is the question
Sometimes I don't even know
Not satire. The point is that core issues like gender need to be talked about. Our insistence on mindless self gratification rather than taking the pains to build a strong, harmonious culture, is what's leading us to our imminent destruction. It's not like she's wrong, or like she's being insincere. It's just once you see it, you have to be dishonest, nihilistic, and mindlessly self-indulgent to try to "unsee it". How hard is it really to stop feeding harmful and oppressive stereotypes? Any effort, any effort at all, is better than what most are doing and will be appreciated.
>>5291811
The issues addressed in this comic are so inherently superficial and literally only address problems with feels.
The problems addressed in the comic are more often than not, attention-whoring bullshit.
Does gender disparity exist? Yeah. Does sexism exist? Sure, it does. Is transexuality often judged? Heck, yeah.
But there are other ways to go about it than treating everyone like they're buttfucking retarded and that trans issues are the sole important thing that needs to be addressed right now.
The author really needs to their head out of their ass, because it is stuck so far inside their rectum that it's crossed the line between medically interesting and pure decadence.
Seriously, fuck this comic.
>>5291764
That's the same way I feel about these threads.
>>5291842
You're cis aren't you
>>5291764
This comic is amazing in a completely ironic way. I have no idea how the author could lack so much awareness but still be hilarious about it
My mind is blown
>>5291842
"Feels" are literally the only motive force behind actions in the world, including violence. We address the root causes of evil because we're, like, smart.
>>5291811
>>5291872
So? I still think the comic is absolute bullcrap. The narrative sucks, the arguments presented often override itself and it invalidates itself while trying to be funny.
>>5291931
Arguments based on emotion are the weakest tho
>>5291931
That's philosophical and has no empirical value for my argument. The comic is crap because it rarely makes rational statements about anything. And when it does, it often invalidates itself through its own narrative. (The 11 year old girl acting like a grown-up)
I guess it's supposed to be some form of irony. But in the context of wanting to make a political argument, that is entirely misplaced. I still think the comic is shit, no matter what.
>>5291931
I will agree a sort of emotional appeal is necessary and helpful for changing minds
But if all you have is an emotional argument you run the risk of it being false or invalid or what have you
>>5292051
I mean, that's kind of why she was casually/discursively giving her thoughts on each topic... the problem (and the point of the comic) is that the culture at large is so radically and generally oppressive that it's hard to find a "normal" interest that doesn't raise serious issues.
>>5292075
Why is football only good for empowering non-cismen tho?
Is it actually factual that women are under-represented in comic books?
>>5292088
In comic books written by males for a primarily male audience. Yes, that is fairly factual. Count the X-Men, Justice League, Avengers etc. cast.
But niggas be cray.
>>5292088
That's kind of not the point. The point is that people don't want to have conversations about gender issues. They want to bury their heads in the sand of conformity, even when conformity is violently oppressive.
>>5292115
BWAHAHAHAHA
Evidence where? Please, please show me evidence.
This is the epitome of confirmation bias.
>>5292115
I'm having the conversation right now
Since this comic is as tumblr as it gets I figure this place is as good to ask as any
We talk about how everyone is pissed off about Benedict Cumberbatch's cameo in Zoolander 2 yet or nah?
>>5292112
I guess it depends what you consider underrepresentation
I think it would be silly to assume it has to be 50/50
Especially when males are the primary audience
So I guess the question is "are there enough females for the girl fans to find one they like or get attached to, relate to etc"
>>5291876
Zealots rarely have a sense of humor. If at all, it's twisted in unrecognizable ways by their belief system.
You're either righteous, heathen, or pure evil heretic. No room for comedy.
Try looking at fundie Christian comics. Replace patriarchy with Satan. Eerily similar.
>>5292148
If there aren't, then shit that's a marketing problem.
I think it's sad how people get upset about not being represented in media.
Shows how dependent we are on this shit. We need to feel represented in media, or else we don't feel validated as a part of pop-culture.
>>5292145
There was a thread about it a while ago iirc. Who gives a fuck, desu. Representation isn't the key to becoming accepted. Politics are. But that's just me and my over-priviledged ass.
>>5292157
Well I dunno if there are enough or not
I feel like another thing we have to consider is the writers and artists
We can look at it as just a marketing problem and I'm sure the corporation would feel the same if they were losing significant profit.
But you can't just force someone to create a female (black, transgender, etc.) character because you think there should be more
Well...you can, or the company could in theory, but that could trample on their creative freedom or vision.
Comics aren't just a product, they are pieces of art like paintings or books
>>5292163
No I agree completely. I was just wondering if it's been talked about on here and what everyone was saying. People keep bringing it up to me as if I, a cis lesbian, am the be-all-end-all authority on trans issues.
The only thing I think is that it's interesting that the people on tumblr who are pissed about it are also the same ones who reblog shit like this one post that basically goes
>them: are you a guy or a girl?
>me: yeah.
That's almost word-for-word what his bit in the preview is. Maybe because I'm not trans myself I'm missing something here.
>>5292216
I don't get your point. Marketing is working fine by pandering to primarily male audiences (when it comes to comic books), so basically there is no problem. Because most comic books writers are primarily male, their creative freedom is likely not infringed.
>>5292242
I'm not saying it is
I'm just saying it's something to consider when we say stuff like there should be more of "this kind" of character
>>5292237
You're missing out on reactionary hurt feelings.
They have no ground to feel hurt. It's just a piece of media. Probably one that will suck really hard and be forgotten by next year, only ever referenced through sentences like:
"Hey, dude, remember that one movie we watched when we were high?"
"Haha, yeah, dude. That movie was really stupid."
End of story. Getting upset about this shit is so redundant.
>>5292326
Nah, not really. People can cry and scream for whatever character's they want. If artists can't deal with demand and demand disguised as criticism, they should not be artists. Simple as that.
>>5291764
Isn't this kid a fucking elementary student?... God this comic's author is fucking autistic.
>>5292465
One of the reasons the author's rhetoric often bites itself in the butt.
>>5292465
Self-insert wish fulfillment. He is reliving a chapter of his life on his own terms, through shitty art and far-left politics.
>>5292412
I kind of agree with that. Then again I fall into the "Everything is totally fugged sometimes so the best way to manage your expectations is just don't have any." camp and according to my friends, that apparently that doesn't resonate well with some people. So sometimes I have to make sure I'm not just being a jackass about something.
>>5292465
Propaganda often uses children as mouthpieces. Even though that usually means the dialogue seems totally hamfisted and unnatural, which makes it kind of ineffective if you ask me.
>>5292512
How are those far-left politics. How is communism and socialism repeatedly associated with this bullshit.
>>5292551
Early Progressives were students of Marx, Lenin, and son. Wasted, shitty students with poor reading comprehension. It explains a lot of other stuff too.
>>5291764
Looks like parody to me
>>5291948
>this one comic doesn't talk about me like everything else!
>It's crap!!
>>5292682
He listed several reasons that have nothing to do with that
>>5291811
>taking the pains to build a strong, harmonious culture
you say this, but you're doing the exact opposite. Critical theory is marxist horseshit.
>>5292738
So analyzing society makes you a marxist?
>>5292772
Nobody here is gonna accept Gloria Steinem in their hearts. Feminist missionary plz go
>>5293003
I never said anything about making people believe feminist stuff. But really, noticing patterns in society and recognizing that not everything is an isolated incident makes someone a Marxist?
>>5291842
+1
All these issues just circulate in a microcosm of society, who wind up thinking that momentum will shift attitudes in wider society.
Then they get butthurt when that momentum isn't enough to even make people listen for a few seconds, because when normal people hear the content they really couldn't care less.
>>5292115
But people really don't care and why should they. Gender issues are as important as the cost of postage. To most, we are aware of it but it's insignifiant in the bigger pricture of our lives.
>>5293038
Why is Marxist an inherently dirty word?
Surely Karl Marx had SOME good ideas?
Even if the USSR and Mao's China were shit....r-right?
>>5293130
Sure he had some good ideas, but believing in some of them doesn't make you a Marxist. Only if you believe in the overall philosophy are you a Marxist.
>>5291811
>Our insistence on mindless self gratification rather than taking the pains to build a strong, harmonious culture, is what's leading us to our imminent destruction.
Do you really not see the monumental irony here? Transitioning is the APEX of individual self-gratification at the expense of a strong, harmonious society and culture.
>>5292157
>or else we don't feel validated as a part of pop-culture.
And that's the most important thing imaginable, right?
>>5293217
How is transitioning done "at the expense of a strong, harmonious society and culture"? Drinking and casual sex are far better fits for the kind of destructive behavior you're talking about.
>>5292551
>How are those far-left politics.
Essentially, because those are extreme, hard-line, fringe politics and everything gets mashed into the left-right dichotomy somewhere.
Admittedly this kind of prog garbage is mostly the province of the latte-bourgeois, but they also consider it chic to be pretend Communists.
But anyway yeah, all "identity" politics are ultimately a rightwing prject to disassemble and castrate the worker's movement.
g y n o c e n t r i s m
>>5293239
Trying to fuck up the division of the sexes that like 99.98% of the population find intuitively comfortable is a direct sowing of disharmony, as are all fights over issues like bathrooms, insistence that people aren't allowed to express their instinctive perceptions and feelings because that "misgenders" you and so on. Harmony isn't achieved by letting individuals run roughshod over the community at large, cultural strength doesn't come from letting a tiny, vocal minority uproot cultural standards. Conformity and community create these values, whether you like it or not. That's why past cultures worked the way they did instead of being love-in free-for-alls.
You don't have to like this, but you have to understand it.
>>5293313
But transitioning ITSELF isn't really demanding anyone change. You can say that attitudes of the trans community are doing this (but not as much as some other elements of society are), but that's really independent from transitioning.
>>5293334
>But transitioning ITSELF isn't really demanding anyone change.
Firstly, yes it is in that if everyone refused to call you by your new name, change your birth cert etc. a large part of the perceived benfit of transition would be lost.
Secondly, however, I admit that if you get real strict about the delimitations, the transition in and of itself isn't mainly and issue because it forces others to change but because it's inherently a transgression against how society at large perceives biology and sex to work. This is sowing disharmony.
Like, why do you even think so many people hate transsexuals even to the extreme of killing them? Have you actually bought into that naivist wishful-thinking "hurr they're just plain pointlessly evil" crap? These are *eusocial actions* and you'll never understand or come to terms with them if you don't comprehend that. Apes do this shit all the time, all pack and herd animals do. These people perceive you on an instinctive level as a threat to the well-being of the pack, so they cull you. I'm not defending that type of action, I'm just saying that at the root level it's exactly the opposite of antisocial and has a direct bearing on the issue of how to create social harmony.
>>5293313
>Harmony isn't achieved by letting individuals run roughshod over the community at large, cultural strength doesn't come from letting a tiny, vocal minority uproot cultural standards.
Chairman Mao would disagree. Peoples perpetual cultural revolution has been gr8, m8.
>>5291811
>the point is gender need to be talked about
You mean, more than the 24/7 dozens of 300+ replies active threads discussing—or more exactly moralizing—about it?
>>5292088
There are a lot of really active feminine leagues in football. “Empowering cis-men” is fucking bullshit and makes zero sense.
>>5293385
>Firstly, yes it is in that if everyone refused to call you by your new name, change your birth cert etc. a large part of the perceived benfit of transition would be lost.
Most of that would apply to ANYONE who changes their name and documentation. And if society is noticeably threatened by having to learn new names or pronouns, it's pretty much doomed to failure regardless.
>Like, why do you even think so many people hate transsexuals even to the extreme of killing them? Have you actually bought into that naivist wishful-thinking "hurr they're just plain pointlessly evil" crap? These are *eusocial actions* and you'll never understand or come to terms with them if you don't comprehend that. Apes do this shit all the time, all pack and herd animals do. These people perceive you on an instinctive level as a threat to the well-being of the pack, so they cull you. I'm not defending that type of action, I'm just saying that at the root level it's exactly the opposite of antisocial and has a direct bearing on the issue of how to create social harmony.
It's all part of hostility towards people who we view as different our outsiders. And while that may be changing with greater awareness of trans people, that's more of a gradual assimilation or evolution. I don't see how learning new names/pronouns is going to weaken our society.
>>5293418
>And if society is noticeably threatened by having to learn new [...] pronouns, it's pretty much doomed to failure regardless.
Haha, okay. If that's what you think I was saying, or is a succinct summary of the issue, I'm done here.
>>5293239
Gubment give me free new genitals plox
>4GreatJustice Yesh!
Gubment gimme free new liver plox
>lell
oh god this comic just gets worse as time goes on
I actually bumped into Sophie at PTHC and mentioned I found Assigned Male on 4chan to begin with, and had to go see if it was a real thing. She was convinced I found an edited version (despite repeated reassurrances that, nope, the 'Let's play Truscum' comic was intact) and she seems to sincerely believe 4chan has a vendetta with her or something.
It was hilarious and I almost feel bad.
>>5293422
Well, "at the expense of" implies that transitioning is actually harming society in a meaningful way.
>>5293433
>PTHC
Please don't spit in here, Calvin.
>>5293488
my name's not Calvin tho
but sorry anyway
This comic is hilarously irrealistic. I once read a panel where a guy said “I identify as a man”.
>>5293500
>a guy said “I identify as a man”.
How exactly is that "irrealistic"?
>>5293513
No normal “cis male” say things like “I identify as (…)”. Actually, almost nobody know what “cis” means once you're leaving LGBT-friendly areas.
>>5293527
And what makes you think that guy was cis?
>>5293537
…it was made perfectly clear according to the context and the author's intention? Well, you have a point, all the cis characters might as well be trans in denial in this alternate universe.
>>5292738
Critical theory is literally the opposite of marxism.
Can I have Patreon money please?
I jerk off to femboys and twinks as well as traps (where the gender is still in question) so I have enough dickporn points to claim Bisexuality and oppression status.
>>5291764
>autists attempting social commentary
>>5291764
>What about video games
>Most are [incomprehensible tumblrina rhetoric]
>most
then fucking play the ones that aren't
>>5294227
>then fucking play the ones that aren't
Where do you find those?
>>5291989
>11 year old acting like an adult in a comic invalidates its point
I'm gonna guess you never read or missed the point of Calvin & Hobbes huh.
Shes a transbian feminazi.
>>5294313
It was actually done well there though
Honestly I like this comic.
Yeah it's pretty blunt and it might as well slam you in the head with its message.
But it gets people to talk about it, and, in consequence, to talk about trans issues.
I don't know if that was the authors idea but he seems to have achieved his goal anyways.
>>5295837
>he
>his
The author of Assigned Male is a woman.
