FTMs, what is your personal view of what being a "man" is?
Having society see your as disposable if you're not constantly proving your worth.
A collection of physical characteristics and behaviors, differently weighted, which can tip you into a social category in which you're treated in a certain way.
I mean, I'm considered a man now (despite having been a little girl) by probably 100% of passerby on the street because I physically transitioned and legally changed my name, yet I share a lot with the person I was seven years ago. I took hormones and had surgery because I wanted to change my body and changed my name for day-to-day convenience (and because it was fun) and the "man" thing just...came along with it. It is what the majority says it is, I guess.
>>6476341
A person who uses male pronouns
>>6476341
More muscle mass, a squarer figure, more hair around body, and a deeper voice than the female counterparts. though this may fluctuate from man to man as in one man may have less muscle or body hair etc. From what I see in pounded in steriotypes from my child years, and mimicry that has come to my attention is that a man is supposed to be a leader and hold in his emotions, to be the one in power, have more muscle than fat, etc etc all that shit.
A man is someone who wears his weaknesses like badges and carries a strong spirit such that his worst enemies wouldn't dare to even look at them.
>>6483726
This is true for everyone, m8
>>6476341
>swift as a coursing river
>with all the force of a great typhoon
>with all the strength of a raging fire
>mysterious as the dark side of the moon
>>6476341
In a cross-cultural analysis, there is no one social class that can be called "man" and thus there are no personality characteristics that can be used to define the class "man."
Feminism changed my approach to men a lot. But I think that one of the main things that defines being a man in American culture is the notion that you should be unfeeling and unemotional. I feel that masculinity, in a way, is negatively defined to a large extent as well, as a large part of what it means to be masculine is to be "not feminine." Growing up, I always wanted to be feminine, but I felt strongly that I had to hide it, so I developed a strong aversion to expressing any vulnerability. I grew up a strong, lonely man who saw girls as unicorns and secretly desired to be one. Even in kindergarten I remember sneaking into my mom's room to try on her clothes. I've always been one of those technologically-inclined people, and I pretty early on learned about transgender people, transition, etc. and I knew from the time I was 12 that I was trans. I just wish I'd been brave enough to speak up about it. Years of patience came next, even telling myself "I'll transition after my parents die." After this came some years of denial.
Only recently have I acknowledged to myself again that I am trans, and now for the first time I've acknowledged that I need to transition in order to be happy, and that I deserve that happiness. My view on men today is mostly the views encouraged by intersectional feminism. I do see men as victims of a society that heavily limits their freedom of expression, but also as perpetrators of a great deal of the sexual and gender-based violence and inequality that we see. Individual men are never defined just by being men, but it is easy to trace personality correlations with particular values held by a group of individuals.
>>6489812
>Even in kindergarten I remember sneaking into my mom's room to try on her clothes
#groanzone
>>6489832
Why groans? Did you do this too?
>>6489812
>In a cross-cultural analysis, there is no one social class that can be called "man" and thus there are no personality characteristics that can be used to define the class "man."
There is no culture or country in the world where the 'public sphere' argument doesn't apply, making being a man more than just living with absence of femininity.
>I feel that masculinity, in a way, is negatively defined to a large extent as well, as a large part of what it means to be masculine is to be "not feminine."
By your argument it would be impossible to find expressions which are inheretly neither feminine nor masculine, as the absence of femininity would be masculine. Then what of androgynous expressions? Do you claim the don't exist?
>>6489812
>american men are not supposed to be emotional or feeling
Nah, depends of what kind of emotion or feeling. I know many men, who are pussys and express pussy feelings, though they look very manly.
>I do see men as victims of a society that heavily limits their freedom of expression
Same for woman... same for everybody.
>>6489921
>look very manly.
>look
>>6490035
>No hatin muh blogpost pleeeease
If you didn't want to discuss the subject why post at all?
>>6490051
I asked you to use your brains. This is 4chan. We should be better than reddit and tumblr and shit like that. Critique the ideas all you want, but don't do so like "hurr I know a guy actually who isn't like that" or you're thinking on a 3rd grade level desu.
>>6490087
Can you even read?
It's genetic.
Not social.
>>6476341
Not FtM but I've known some of them - FtMs tend to be very outspoken about not denying masculinity and just "being themselves" and such which I think comes from being raised as women, that infamous female socialization. Femininity today is undefined and it exists and something that can, theoretically, be anything. In fact, even defining what femininity is is controversial, to say the least. It's something we (as in MtFs) face a lot because newly transitioened trans girls are eager to define and express their femininity but that usually ends in outrage in saying femininity is "I watched a film and cried today" or similar.
I think FtMs come from that kind of background and so they have a much more open and non-restricted view of masculinity than perhaps majority of cis guys have.
>>6490775
I see a lot of ftms take on toxic masculinity traits in order to fit in and pass as cis men. It's kind of disgusting even if I understand the reasoning behind it. It would be nice if they didn't crumble under such pressure and better validated themselves as men and redefined masculinity itself.
having a willy
To serve and lift others up.
>>6476341
this thread is directed completely toward FTMs and yet MTFs are responding in it.
embarrassing.
>>6476341
Pic related. It's biological
>>6484704
You're not a man.
>>6476341
As a straight hetero male (I know I just triggered half of this board), to me, it means jacking off to porn while making 60k a year and buying games off of steam and pirating games while ignoring flirtatious female workers (who by the way are the worst employees and deserve pay gaps). That's it.
>>6492158
>straight hetero
As opposed to all those gay heteros
>>6492184
(you)
>>6489269
no its not
>>6492251
Yes it is
>>6476341
being able to act however I want, even if that means dressing fem and not fitting into the he-man stereotype
>>6492251
not same anon but yes it is, that's how the human mind and society works. always with people wondering what they can do to gain from others and if nothing can be gained labeling them as worthless
What is man?
>>6495935
Who was phone?
>>6496168
Why you do?
>>6496236
Where you do?
having massive testicles for a woman to pulverize
>>6496258
UK you?
>>6496474
Nvrland
>>6496524
Oh ;___;
>>6496532
No cry pls. Here, has a hug.
>>6496672
Thanks. I felt a real connection with you anon, enjoy life.
>>6496683
U 2 :)
>>6496683
>>6496715
fucking faggots
>>6496726
You don't know if we're guys or girls or both. That could have just been the most hetero exchange on this board.
>>6496738
>>6496750
I don't understand your meymey
>>6476341
Straight male here, but big supporter of LGBT rights, because equality and why not.
For the physical sense, it dosent matter, i most go for what i think being a person is like.
A good person, nice, kind and all giving, thats what a good person is, man or woman or trans dosent matter.
>>6490775
Is masculinity really just the absence of femininity?
Someone told me that the other day.
>>6495832
T. No-hrt "ftm" who likes to wear dresses and makeup
>>6497512
You don't need to take HRT or wear ugly clothes to be a man.
>>6498816
>You don't need to take HRT or wear ugly clothes to be a man.
t. literal tumblrette
