So I've asked this on /pol/ a couple of times but never got a satisfactory answer. I thought between the genuine gay people and the /pol/ people who come here I might have more luck.
What am wondering is where you think homophobia/whatever actually comes from. It's something I've puzzled over for many years and never really understood.
I'm straight and from the first time I ever heard the concept of gayness I thought it was great. There are men out there who not only don't want to compete for girls, but they actively want other guys to be like them. I never saw the downside.
From a cultural perspective, I would think most people would be for them. They fill a similar role eunuchs, being productive members of society but not pursuing women and not trying as hard to move their genes along to the next generation.
My leading theory is that it's really all about women. Some men feel threatened that other men might be looking at them the way they look at women. Also, I think there might be jealousy that gay people get to experience love and sex without having to deal with women.
These might be way off base though, so hence the question. Also I want to make it clear, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. If you don't like gay people, it's no problem to me. I'm just honestly curious why.
>>6205488
>My leading theory is that it's really all about women. Some men feel threatened that other men might be looking at them the way they look at women. Also, I think there might be jealousy that gay people get to experience love and sex without having to deal with women.
This, and I'll add to that it's just what we're taught. Before I was sexually attracted to anything, I said a lot of homophobic shit parroted from my parents.
They kind of made me go to Sunday school, but they're not really religious, and generationally speaking, we've been getting less religious with each passing generation.
What may have started out as something based in what you've said, or in religion, becomes this 'whisper down the lane' effect where kids are just taught to be casually homophobic because that's the norm.
>>6205504
That makes sense. I was raised by pretty progressive parents and my first encounter with the concept of gay people way a family friend who had a boyfriend. So it was never not normal and I've always found it odd that other people actually care, let alone get offended or upset. Even still, I feel the need to understand where it comes from.
>>6205526
Well, you nailed it.
Religion, 'conservatism', and misogyny.
>>6205545
Well, that's our impression. I'm still hoping for a /pol/ crossposter to chime in. To date I've never had an actual good reason from any of them. The last thread ended up with it coming down to gays not making children and that was somehow bad for society. It's really weird. They can vigorously hate all day, but when asked why they just sputter.
>>6205488
>I'm straight and
Opinion discarded
>>>/trash/
>>6205678
Why?
>>6205627
Tbh gay couples just look disgusting and are uncomfortable to be around
One time I sat a table over from a gay couple and I couldn't stand it, not because I hate gays, I just hate them when they're coupled
>t. /pol/ biguy cis crossdressing faggot
>>6205694
You're shit.
Your opinion is shit.
You're not welcome here.
>>6205488
The vast majority of people are idiots desu.
Shame on you for thinking that the vast majority can handle new concepts that they haven't seen on a regular basis since birth!
>>6205701
He's asking why, you retard.
>>6205707
Stop being a faggot, faggot. He just wants a discussion.
>>6205730
To ask why gay couples are disgusting is to ask why bestiality is disgusting
It's biologically abberant and also culturally ingrained to be wrong
>>6205707
How about instead of posting embarrassingly bad bait, you just answer my question?
>>6205754
>He just wants a discussion
The only discussion he deserves is how to get the fuck outta here.
>>6205762
It's not bait it's a sincere demand that you fuck off to whatever shit board you popped out of.
>>6205761
It's also biologically aberrant to consume dairy after you're an infant, but no one seems to have a problem with that. Hell, many of us drink or consume the milk of other animals on a routine basis all through adulthood.
We do so many unnatural things, I find the reason that it's unnatural not very satisfying.
This is a really thoughtful question, OP. I'd have probably struggled to come up with a decent answer on the spot. I suppose it really does come down to a combination of specific religious injunctions and cultural taboos surrounding the perception of males adopting female (inferior) roles.
>>6205627
That is the standard line from the Catholic far-right of the late 19th and early 20th centuries (the movement that spawned fascism) emphasizing an "organic" society. /pol/ is practically duty-bound to reciting it. Any practice that does not actively contribute to the growth of the nation (or race) is deemed necessarily anti-social. Himmler sums it up nicely:
>There are those homosexuals who take the view: what I do is my business, a purely private matter. However, all things which take place in the sexual sphere are not the private affair of the individual, but signify the life and death of the nation, signify world power or 'swissification.' The people which has many children has the candidature for world power and world domination.
- On the Question of Homosexuality, speech delivered to SS group leaders, February 18, 1937
The full text is pretty fascinating.
>>6205767
When have you ever seen telling people on 4chan to go away work? You have no authority over me and I'm not going anywhere. I'm just wondering what the real reason you don't like gay people is.
>>6205782
>I'm just wondering what the real reason you don't like gay people is.
You better wonder why you're on the wrong board.
>>6205779
What I don't get about that is that I would have thought they would be happy their genes are the ones being passed into the future. There's no risk of humans not having the genetic diversity to continue, and we're certainly in no danger of going extinct through lack of breeding.
I would think that in their eyes they would support gays fucking each other and making more children to increase the amount of influence their genes would have on the next generation of people.
I find that whole reason very bizarre. But I may go read the whole thing out of curiosity.
>>6205794
0/10
>>6205488
>My leading theory is that it's really all about women. Some men feel threatened that other men might be looking at them the way they look at women
This is a big part of it. A lot of homophobes will think anyone who's gay is going to want to have sex with them or something. The worst part is, these people are likely to be the same people who will later complain about feminazis who call every man a rapist, when they don't realize they are doing pretty much the exact same thing whenever they think every gay guy is out to get them in the sack, even against their will.
I think a big part of it is also just culture. Being taught, even not directly so, that homosexuality is a joke or disgusting, so when they grow up, people are obviously going to look at it that way. This also goes with disinformation, which is another way in which people aren't really taught about homosexuality in an educated manner, so kids will get their own ideas about what it's like, much like lying through omission. I myself was a homophobe due to the fact that I had been raised in a rather conservative culture that never talked about homosexuality, so I never had exposure to any of it and came to think anyone who was gay was the stereotypical flamer with a lisp (which certainly isn't too out there, but that's to blame on the individual who behaves that way instead of homosexuality itself). It took me becoming really good friends with someone, and later finding out they were gay, to realize none of that crap I thought about homosexuality was true.
>>6205807
>"why does group X do Y" he asked, to group Z who know jack shit about what goes around in the sick minds of group X, since they aren't X but Y
I may be baiting, but this is just retarded.
>>6205761
>biologically abberant
>tfw people pretend they understand science when they don't
>>6205819
I can see this was very confusing for you. I posted to the board populated by many people of group Z because group X comes here a lot. The question is really for the people of group X >>6205627 But because I have had limited success getting a decent answer of the people from board X. Here I get just the people from group X who feel a certain way.
And I'm still just getting weak trolling from that side. For all the homophobia that bubbles over on this site, it's bizarre how little any of you seem to actually be able to articulate why you feel the way you feel.
1/2
>>6205488
>What am wondering is where you think homophobia/whatever actually comes from. It's something I've puzzled over for many years and never really understood.
>My leading theory is that it's really all about women. Some men feel threatened that other men might be looking at them the way they look at women. Also, I think there might be jealousy that gay people get to experience love and sex without having to deal with women.
I saw this on the front page so I'll give my reply here. First and probably only time I'll post on this board.
I never cared about gay people when I grew up. There never really were that many around, but I remember being to a neighbouring small town and seeing 2 women holding hands and kissing, one of them being short haired. My dad commented something about "why do one of them always have to look like a man" implying there was something fake about it.
Another time we went somewhere in a car and saw 2 men holding hands on the street. Supposedly it was a gay couple from somewhere else who had moved out into the country side. This was back in mid 90s and there was never much talk about things like this in media, but things like this did fill the local rumours.
Skip ahead to later teens and I still hadn't thought about it. Gays really didn't exist to me, apart from that scene in The Police Academy (4?) where they arrest a lot of people at a gay club. That's pretty much the only reference I had.
Thru a series of events I found out my best friend when was gay. And he was interested in me. I had even stayed over at his place a number of times.
This came as a shock to me. I felt it was extremely dishonest and false. He knew I was into girls and still did this, letting it go on like this for a long time, giving me the impression were were just friends, never exposing how he really saw me.
I had to distance myself from him, I felt betrayed.
Soon after he was hanging with another guy who had recently moved here.
(Continued)
>>6205848
2/2
I saw the signs at once this time, the new guy was just like him. I just stopped caring about him and kept my distance and nothing more happened.
But the feeling that I need to watch out for gays trying to lure me into something remains. I've gotten more paranoid about it with time.
Then during the recent years with gay pride parades and the like, the more they talk about it, the more I feel I have to distance myself from it.
I guess it does go back to this feeling of being betrayed by my best friend's hidden intentions - he wasn't really my best friend, he was just hanging out with me because of being turned on.
Of course it's the same when a guy pretends to be interested in stupid things a girl talks about just because he wants to get into her pants, but these things are alot more obvious.
Maybe I just live in backwards place, but having friends of the opposite sex doesn't really happen here. Relations with the opposite sex are always about sex, unless you're meeting a coworker or something. Having personal friends is reserved for the same sex.
I think this thing even made it harder for me to trust people, and it may be the reason I don't easily make friends with anyone. I keep having this thought at the back of my head that they may just be gays and not at all care about what I talk about.
This is the reason I don't like (male) gays. Lesbians never bothered me and I couldn't care less.
>>6205801
You're still thinking in terms of the individual. The fascist/corporatist mindset views such an approach as selfish and damaging to the collective. The nation/race is what is important, not your own particular genes. Himmler articulates this too:
>If I assume the number of one to two million homosexuals, it is clear that about seven or eight or ten percent of the men in Germany are homosexual. If this remains the case, it means that our nation (volk) will be destroyed by this plague. A nation will not endure in the long run if the balance and equilibrium between the sexes is disrupted in this manner.
He goes on to explain that with millions of "sexually potent men" possibly dying in war, the country cannot afford to "lose" a similar amount to homosexuality. Pairing up with a fertile woman (of the same race) and raising a large family is the national duty of every fertile man and this needs to be maximized to the fullest extent possible. That's pretty much National Socialism in a single sentence.
ITT: Fags wonder why people hate them and lack any kind of introspection
>>6205946
>lack any kind of introspection
I can appreciate the fact that a lot of our sex acts are objectively disgusting. I love rimming dudes probably even more than fucking them, but I'm still able to step back and acknowledge the fact that I'm sticking my tongue somewhere shit comes out of. Conceptually, it doesn't get much grosser than that. I understand.
The point is that no one is compelled to be involved that doesn't want to be. How does the fact that there are men who like doing these things to each other hurt you in any way?
>>6206066
>Conceptually, it doesn't get much grosser than that.
So? Pee comes of the penis, blood out of lady parts. I use my hand to eat and wipe my ass.
>>6205848
>>6205882
Thank you very much for your post. I do see where you're coming from in a way. That it would have felt like a betrayal to you.
I can't help but sympathize with both of you. I can see how you would feel betrayed and very uncomfortable with him after you knew how he felt. But I can also see from his perspective how horrible it may have been.
He came from the same culture as you and was probably also uncomfortable with himself. Depending how long you were friends, it's very possible he didn't realize he was gay when you first met.
I can just about guarantee when he fell in love with you that he didn't want to. But the heart wants what it wants, they can be very troublesome that way. He also very likely knew that there was no chance you would feel the same way and that telling you would not only drive the person he loves away but also loose his best friend. It's a bad situation on both sides, and I don't blame you for feeling the way you feel about it.
>Relations with the opposite sex are always about sex, unless you're meeting a coworker or something. Having personal friends is reserved for the same sex.
This really strikes me. Having grown up where opposite sex platonic relationships have always been strongly encouraged. That puts another layer on top of things that I hadn't considered.
This part may get some other people here upset with me, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that where you're from opposite sex relationships are always about sex. After almost 40 years of of many opposite sex platonic friendships, I have very mixed feelings about how good they are for either side.
>>6205488
most people hated and still hate gays because of the slippery slope
and after each new thing gets forced on us
>shared bathrooms
>"gender" theories
>mutilating kids
people push back even more
>>6206091
>Humans are bags of meat animated by electrical charges
Humans (and all macro life) are collections of single celled organisms. Not just bags of meat, we are colonies.
You're spot on on everything else.
>>6206078
I believe I was clear enough about finding it hot regardless.
>>6206248
I know, I was just pointing out that the whole downstairs area can potentially be gross under the wrong circumstances.
>>6206091
Not an argument
>>6205488
Nurture, here where I live you learn from young age that being gay is one of the worst offences, some people even said "I'm a killer but at least I'm not gay" unironically. So yes society brainwash everyone into accepting something as a fact before that person is even able to think for himself.
>>6205840
If people on /pol/ just laugh at you for being a retard, why do you expect them to behave differently here?
They're not gonna help you.
Gay people are not gonna help.
Gay people don't even like you which is why you should fuck off to whatever board you usually vomit your useless opinions on.
(Gay guy here)
I imagine homophobia is just another for of "Us and Them" mentality.
Humans love to hate anything different.
Also apparently a lot of super homophobic people actually have gay tendencies themselves, so maybe it's a coping mechanism
>>6205488
>Some men feel threatened that other men might be looking at them the way they look at women.
This is part of it. There's a very low chance for a straight guy to be raped by an undesirable woman. Much more horrific having your ass, pride, and masculinity ripped in two by a hairy, burly man.
Also religion. Religions are old, and back in those days procreation was really important because 1/3rd of the human race could be wiped out from some rats spreading diseases. And people believed stupid shit like men having limited sperms and stuff. So anti-gay sentiments were written into holy rulebooks that people ended up widely following.
Breeders will always blame gays for everything, whether it's destruction of white race, muslim invasion, pedophilia or some gay agenda. It's easiest way to avoid responsibility. I don't care what breeders think anymore, only another gay man can be my natural ally. Not even lesbians or trannies, just other gay men who know how I truly feel and who want to build the beautiful all-male utopia. Asexual men I accept too, they have the most beautiful souls. Breeders will be put in quarantine to breed more men.
>>6208546
Hitler was homosexual and so were most nazis :^)
>>6208327
probably just a fag who got burned by a straight guy, ignore it
>>6208585
Makes sense, he actually built something.
I think it is simply because people feel hostility toward people who are not like them.
>>6206661
>If people on /pol/ just laugh at you for being a retard,
In general they didn't. They tried to answer the question but were mostly just spouting vitriol with no real reasoning.
It's no skin off my back if /pol/ on average is too stupid to articulate why they believe the things they do. It's more funny than anything else, but I still thought I'd check here to see what people say.
>Gay people don't even like you
It's also funny that your trolling is centered around this whole "gay people don't even like you" because I'm straight. You're trying SO hard. It's pretty great.
>>6205923
>From your point of view, is the wider tolerance of homosexuality a positive development? They have the ability to be open about their preferences now and therefore less motive to be dishonest.
From the perspective of being honest it may be a good thing, but.. what does "wider tolerance" really mean.
It seems now everyone relates it to gay pride, the rainbow flag and general leftie political movements. This is not tolerant at all. It's made the opposition stronger.
I don't personally like the obscenities that are associated with the gay movment, it's that simple. I don't watch Game of Thrones either, for the same reason.
It's just sex and nudity in places where it really doesn't belong.
The "openness" you have today isn't an acceptance, it's a forced thing, using political correctness to silence those who don't agree.
This is not acceptance at all, it just leads to shit talking behind people's backs and a feeling among heterosexuals that we are getting constantly harrassed by the media and oppressed by an extreme political climate.
A forceful movement such as the one that gathers under the rainbow flag will never create any wider acceptance, it will only silence people temporarily and with time create a stronger and more organized opposition.
>>6212226
How do you see that as different from racism or another form of bigotry? I assume people who hold racist beliefs would think that opposition to racism could be seen as intolerance towards them.
>>6208327
>What the hell is your problem, man?
Peasant scum like OP.
>>6212969
You sound upset.
>>6213012
I just hate seeing this board go downhill because of people who do not belong here.
It's like the EU's immigration policy.
Violent filth pours in from all sides, breeds like rabbits, demands special treatment and nobody stops it.
>>6213044
Then 4chan might not be the right website for you. It confounds me that this place attracts people who are as weak willed as you. How did you find your way here in the first place? And why do you still come? lol.
People are afraid of the bible, so they choose to be dog shit.
gays are horrible
t. gay
>>6212329
>How do you see that as different from racism or another form of bigotry?
My country never had slavery so institutionalized racism has never existed here. With that I mean to say "white power" was never a thing and I can't really relate to it.
How is racism = bigotry? A person's skin color is not an opinion, it's biological.
I could say the same about homosexuality; it's a diagnosis in psychoanalysis, like any other fetish. I don't see how that can be compared to a system specifically meant to keep a people of a certain ethnicity as slaves.
When it comes to bigotry I think the rainbow movement is the worst, anything they don't agreee with is labeled "homophobia" and discarded. I've stopped trying to argue with people representing these views, I don't care any more.
I can say yes, I've been treated badly by online racists, but I've never met a rude skinhead or nazi.
People from the LGBT movement are rude online AND in real life. How you treat others is how they will treat you, so if there is a problem, look at yourself first, before you complain about "homophobia."
Even if I don't really do anything I'm opposed to the BGBT movement because they are throwing things in face all the time. I didn't care about gays until they started doing this.
So... going back to racism vs "homophobia", the difference is that racism was created by slave owners, while "homophobia" is a label used to attack people who resist the gay propaganda that gets thrown in their face.
If you want to sell me something, be nice. It's common sense. Too aggressive marketing will have the opposite effect.
>>6213327
Slavery certainly poured a lot of fuel on the racist fire, but that's not where it all comes from. Racism is really just the belief that other races are lesser in some way than yours.
Most people with common sense these days realize that there are far more important factors in determining the kind of person someone will be than just their race.
It sounds like you're saying that you didn't have a problem with gay people when they were in the closet. But now that they're open about it, you see it as propaganda getting thrown in your face.
To be clear though, I'm not trying to sell anything or change anyone's mind. I'm just curious why some people don't like gays. I have no stock in how things go politically, I'm just musing.
>>6213393
>It sounds like you're saying that you didn't have a problem with gay people when they were in the closet.
That's not it. At least where I live they are against freedom of speach. Even reading the new testament out loud is illegal, you'll get fined for hate speech.
If one opinion is allowed, the other should be too. The gay movement has turned into a totalitarian repressive movement. As soon as I turn on the radio they will be talking about either gays or immigrants.
This is a small % of the population, they shouldn't have 90% of the media coverage.
Just go over to /gif/ and count the number of hetero threads. I saw someone start a "no dicks" thread (girls only gifs), and it was instantly attacked by gay men posting dicks and harrassing the OP.
>>6213540
>they shouldn't have 90% of the media coverage
>"I saw someone start a "no dicks" thread (girls only gifs), and it was instantly attacked by gay men posting dicks and harrassing the OP
It sounds like massive selective bias, because most of the time, I see straight threads"
>Head on over to gif
>One gay thread and one trap thread, the rest are all straight stuff
Jesus christ, this is some massive selective bias I'm seeing right here.
And I don't know what kind of news you are watching, but LGBT shit barely tends to get any coverage over more important stuff around the world.
It sounds like trolling at this point.
>>6213186
>Keeping your garden free of dogshit is trying to create a safe space
When I see your post I can't help but be reminded of that peasant of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
>HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED
That's you right now.
>>6213642
Fucked up my formatting. I meant to say I've always seen more straight shit than gay shit on the porn boards here, provided they are not oriented towards one or another gender obviously.
>>6213540
In what country do you live?
>>6205488
>>6213849
oh my god this is amazing
>>6213756
Sweden
>>6213890
haAaHHAHhaHAHHAHAAAA
CL U C K
>>6213642
I've more or less stopped going there, last time I looked 2 days ago all I saw was trap, gay, sissy, gifs that want to make you suck cock, trap solo, men solo, etc. In the lot there was one titfuck thread and one creampie, that's all for the straight threads. That's how it looks most of the time.
>>6213907
Exactly.
>>6213917
Man I feel ya, get out of that degenerate faggot hole ASAP my man
The day of rope is coming for these fags, don't you worry.
Fags will fly and trans will burn...
>>6213955
?????
>>6205488
Homophobia comes from mainly the disgust of gay sex, which is I guess only "natural" in straights but some have no tolerance for the people involved in it.
Due to upbringing, the attraction to boys instead of girls is typically seen as effeminate from an early age which can also obviously lead to homophobia as it can be seen by some people that it goes against what a male should be; "masculine", even though it's still a stereotype of all homosexual people.
There's also the stereotype of having a very promiscuous lifestyle as well as the culture adopted by some homosexuals which is frowned upon by a lot of straights for obvious reasons, but yet again they are still only stereotypes of all gay people.
>>6212226
Ohhh, you're a prude
>>6205488
I hate faggots because all the attractive ones are sluts.
>>6213683
>HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED
>That's you right now.
lol. That's supposed to be me? You're the one whining about the board, bitching about immigration policy and how "violent filth pours in from all sides" I'm the one laughing at your butturt that 4chan isn't the conservative hugbox you want it to be.
Who in your mind am I supposed to think is repressing me? You? Because I can tell you, I only look at you as a source of amusement.
Its people who think there is some universal morality to it all, that the culture that they are part of is not some subjective bullshit that they make up. So they lash out
They will also try to negate the term by saying its not a fear without addressing the main problem is them being dicks not being "scared". They did the same thing with global warming by trying to invalidate criticism of how they act by the non important phrasing
Oh course what do you expect of the country with things like No child left behind and putting Freedom infront of every freedom stripping bill
>>6217892
America is Rome 2.0. I just hope I live long enough to watch it burn.
>>6205545
> Religion
maybe. I'm from a catholic family so I'm in-closet for it
> 'conservatism'
depends, though I'm sure you know that since you put quotes around it. Trump's conservatism makes me happy since it boots out weirdo evangelicals and allows a gay dude to vote Republican this year. I never thought a Trump would happen in my lifetime
> misogyny
not sure I follow
>>6217905
So does the main part of your dislike come from the religion or from being conservative? You mention support for Trump allowing a gay guy to vote Republican.
>>6205488
It comes from the tendency of our community to be extremely promiscuous and Biscum cheating on their wives.
>>6206135
I thought all the bacteria on and in us were only sometimes helpful, not key parts of what we are, though ive heard we've found the DNA of a virus in our own DNA which was almost certainly put there by the virus, so we would inadvertently produce it within us
>>6208674
10/10 I am still laughing
Gay power
I don't have a problem with people fucking who they want in their private bedrooms, I have a problem with people turning their sexuality into their whole identity.
Pride parades, drag queens, and all that shit is disgusting. Makes gays come off as cock-hungry people who care about nothing but sex and often playing the woman's role because they identified with the wrong parent as kids...
Besides that gays are a major source of AIDS and other STDs like colon cancer. Add to that the fact that they're overly promiscuous and most of the time fail to commit to a monogamous relationship. And it affects the kids they adopt too.
pic somewhat related
>>6217877
>I'm the one laughing at your butturt that 4chan isn't the conservative hugbox you want it to be.
>accuse me of being some sjw hugbox baby
>now I'm a conservative hugbox baby
>can't even be consistent with insults
Topkek.
Not only are you subhuman garbage but you're retarded too?
Hahaha didn't see that one coming.
Oh wait...
>>6213849
>something something appeal to nature fallacy!!!
She's right though, I see homosexuality and transgenderness as popularized sexual fetishes who are mostly unhealthy and self-destructive.
>>6205882
Why didn't you pair up the two guys? :D
>>6226520
female spotted
>>6205488
If I had to make a guess on this, and I MEAN a guess I am by no means a sociologist. I am more of a historian/philosophy guy, history has some overlap with sociology so I guess it kind of counts.
In any case I think it is more evolutionary. Tribes needed couples to breed to create more people for the tribe to fight, hunt, build and so on. Gay people cannot fit that role thus they are not adding to the longevity of the tribe. Resources used by them could be seen as wasted.
>>6205545
The reason I think religion has a part in not liking the gays is because of this. Religion spawns from our most primal emotions and even survival mechanisms. I would not find it to much of a stretch to think that the same evolutionary issues we might have with non-breeders would be codified into religious tenants.
This is of course way over simplified and no sources given so it's only my opinion and I'm sure someone some where has studied this more seriously.
>>6205488
What makes you think we don't want to pass on our genes? I'm a fag and I donate to a sperm bank on a weekly basis. I'm probably in the top 5% of the world in terms of reproductive success.
I literally get paid to cuckold other people.
I love fucking men and I love genetic(and physic) fitness.
>>6206135
That's not how colonies work, true single celled organisms(like volvox) donot individually specialize. Nor do they typically have specialized structures to allow them to stick together.
>>6205488
Grew up in texas and it's mix for everyone on why they might be homophobic.
In the micro individual scale it can vary. Religion told them to hate it is common. It's gross to them. A gay hit on them once and now they're paranoid against all gays. Gays and the lifestyle seems overly decadent and they hate that shit.
On the macro gov scale the hate usually comes from a lack of control. The government plans out shit for people assuming you're gonna live that normal life. School -> date -> work -> marry -> kids. Gays don't tend to do that shit as often as straights. They can't have kids as easy, marriage used to be impossible for them, dating style didn't fit heterosexual kinda style, and overall gays tended to be around the outskirt kind of groups. Hang around jazz and seedy shit like that.
Gays are an abnormality and if you're in gov to control a society you're gonna hate abnormalities.
And just a lot of people are prudes and gays can't help but trigger them. Gays exist and a prude sees them and can't help but be aware "that person has sex a DIFFERENT WAY! too lewd!". We might as well be walking bdsm furries to them.
Strange, abnormal behaviour is shunned and rejected by a social group. This is a universal trait amongst many different species.
The EXCLUSIVE homosexual behaviour is not beneficial to the species as a whole. Exclusive homosexuality has never been truly accepted by any society until now. Even the "lol the romans were gay" meme holds up as being gay wasn't even a real concept there. There was no homosexuality as we know it today. There men and women, and some men played the role of women in sex and were shunned and disrespected by their peers for such behaviour. This persists to this day in almost every culture on the planet.
>>6211285
Dude. Edgelord here.
You're on 4chan asking about gay people in lgbt because pol hurt your feels.
Keep telling yourself you're straight to make yourself feel better. Most straight people need a pair of tits to feel better and would never come here. It wouldn't occur to them.
Anyway, homophobia comes from self hatred. Everyone has homosexual tendencies, it's not like they can wish it away. They just have ways of dealing with it. Yours seems to be telling lgbt and pol you're straight.
>>6235554
Le homophobia is self hatred meme.
>>6235567
If it's not self hatred, then it's simply because homosexuality is degenerate perversion resulting from molestation of some kind by other faggots.
It's literally a disease.
>>6235581
I mean I agree with the perversion fact. The average "homophobe" does not hate gays because they themselves are gay. They hate them for being abnormal deviants. Hence the word "queer" etc.
>>6235603
This is why I hate gay people. All I wanna do is play a game or have a drink and they start acting like a faggot.
Straight people play the game, have a drink and talk sports or facts. It's just easier.
>>6235625
Open homosexuals are very predictable in behaviour. I guess that's because you must be beyond fuvked in the head if you have so little shame that you not only partake in homosexuality activity but also tell everyone about it.
>>6235645
That's why they're faggots.
>>6235708
I'm not talking about just flamers. I'm talking about every homosexual that does not hide their clear deviancy.
>>6235724
Deviancy from what, exactly?
>>6235730
Reproduction?
>>6235745
As funny as that is, I would still fuck women and try to be a good father.
>>6235778
Why? Compared to that guy you're a reproductive failure.
>>6235787
Compared to that guy I'm not a faggot.
>>6235822
But you're a reproductive failure, which by your definition is deviancy. Why aren't you out fathering children right now?
>>6235822
I mean, he literally doesn't fuck women and he's still better at having kids than you
>>6235730
Normal sexual attraction.
>>6237438
Have you seen the animal world lately? Besides to goal of normal sexual attraction is to produce children, have you done that?
Homosexuals are doing something that a straight man wouldn't do under any circumstances, this isn't just a matter of a slight difference of opinion, this is genuine disgust at their lifestyle, which is what creates such strong negative emotions towards them. To them you may as well be eating shit off the ground while saying you're perfectly normal.
>>6205488
Surely you'll get far by simply comparing people's thoughts about male and female homosexuality respectively and trying to understand why there are differences.
Just look at your own post, you use the word homophobia but only talk about male homosexuality. Most discussions on the boards and elsewhere end up like that. Obviously people are not as concerned with female homosexuality, so why is that?
>>6235855
I don't pass my genes into cuckold households and spend my days trying to get aids. I have social anxiety and most of my friends are weak douchebags.
>>6235869
He's literally a faggot.
>>6238497
>arguing about superiority
>using endangered species as an example
Good one. Next you'll tell me how Africans are superior to Europeans.
>>6238749
>I have social anxiety and most of my friends are weak douchebags
And you call homos dysfunctional? Birds of a feather, you weak ass pussy.
>>6238749
>I don't pass my genes into cuckold households
That's called reproductive success.
>>6238749
>He's literally a faggot.
And yet, still better at getting women pregnant than you.
>>6238749
>using endangered species as an example
What endangered species did I use as an example? There are tons of 'fit' species out there that engage in all sorts of "non-traditional" mating practices. Polygamy, rape, homosexuality, self-fertilization, gender-bending, r vs k child-rearing, etc. Take a biology course, please.
>>6238678
>Obviously people are not as concerned with female homosexuality, so why is that?
Male sexuality is more scrutinized because its seen as being directly tied to our masculinity, and masculinity is more important for men than femininity is for woman since masculinity is what allows one to survive and conquer. No self respecting man would pride himself over how masculine he isn't.
Can't get laid? You're a loser. Can't get laid and you're letting men fuck you in the ass? You're a bitch and a loser.
These same rules just don't apply to woman, in the same way that the slut/player double standard favors men, this gay/lesbian double standard favors woman. A girl being bi isn't nowhere near as big of a deal as a man being bi because for us it calls our masculinity into question and puts us at odds with straight men and woman.
>>6238803
That's one of the best ways I've seen the whole 'gay/bi/straight for men vs women' dynamic summed up. Nice post.
>>6238786
They're more likely to get aids. Dysfunctional.
You're right about that. I should probably sell my sperm and get paid to wank.
If you find me a healthy species that engages in degeneracy that isn't human beings, then I will say homosexuals aren't a literal cancer.
>>6238818
>They're more likely to get aids. Dysfunctional.
Lots of lifestyle choices increase risk of disease and death. Not every fag out there is having unprotected sex. Not every fag is even having sex.
>>6238818
>You're right about that. I should probably sell my sperm and get paid to wank.
You need to be in the top 5% of the population in terms of sperm count and motility to do so.
>>6238818
>If you find me a healthy species that engages in degeneracy that isn't human beings
Why? A quick google search will get you what you're looking for. It won't change your mind.
Are women who no longer menstruate literal cancer as well? Humans are one of the only species whose females live after going through menopause.
>>6238843
Menopausal women are literal cancer. And you should do that Google search yourself because you won't find one. I'll be waiting.
>>6238818
>If you find me a healthy species that engages in degeneracy that isn't human beings
Here's a small list of homosexual behavior documented in animals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#Applying_the_term_homosexual_to_animals
Now before you go "muh wikipedia is not a source" like you bitches always do just so you don't have to argue with the content in the article (which is based on verifiable sources), you can actually check the sources of all these claims and verify them yourself.
>>6238858
>Menopausal women are literal cancer.
But you realize that the reason human females lives past menopause is because it imparts an increase in reproductive fitness by helping to rear grandchildren?
You seem ignorant of evolution and genetics, friendo.
>>6238497
I mean I know you are desperate to throw around memes but the idea of exclusive same sex attraction is foreign and strange to most of the human species.
>>6238991
>Literally all of them are endangered.
I think it's more likely that you're retarded.
Something I'm sure most people here will agree with.
>>6238951
>I mean I know you are desperate to throw around memes but the idea of exclusive same sex attraction is foreign and strange to most of the human species.
I doubt there's any such thing as an exclusive homosexual, I just don't think it exists.
>>6238991
>It doesn't help anything.
Yeah, you just don't understand basic concepts on evolution re fitness and reproductive success.
>>6239060
A significant amount of animals on that list are in fact not endangered.
You'd know that if you actually read the article.
But reading the article proves you're utterly wrong on everything you said, so you just ignore it.
I'd say stop being a coward and face your wrongness, but I know people like you would rather die than admit being wrong.
>>6239028
As in settling with a mate that is male.
>>6239087
They are all endangered. Also, learn to spell English words. Colour has a U btw.
>>6205488
Homophobe who totally doesn't want to transition and only clicked on this board by accident reporting in.
I'm alt-right. I acknowledge race exists, and want my own race to continue existing. That means white birth rates need to pick up - right now they're well below replacement fertility rate. The reason for this is our abandonment of gender roles. Say what you like about the morality of patriarchy, but it wins over degeneracy on a more fundamental level - it is capable of reproducing itself. In a patriarchal society, males and females pair off and reproduce and raise their children in nuclear families, instilling the same traditional gender roles. Social and legal pressure to punish deviance and conform to this model ensure that it's followed well enough for the race as a whole to hit replacement fertility.
Liberalism is a cancer on society. I'm not using cancer to mean "thing I don't like", I mean it literally. Cancer is a cell within the body that starts acting selfishly, and reproduces itself recklessly without thought for the future wellbeing of the body, so causing the body to die. LGBT+ ideas (to clarify, I'm talking about ideas here, not genetics) follow the same model. They are propagating like wildfire through the brains that make up first-world cultures, transmitted via the media, and they will cause our culture (and thus our race) to grow sicker and sicker unless stopped. Homosexually may naturally exist, in the same way that disease naturally exists, but we have immune systems to deal with diseases and we need cultural immune systems (conservatism, religion, homophobia) to deal with cultural degeneracy.
I don't hate gays; I just pity them. They live a hard life and never seem very happy no matter what they do.
>>6239364
>using 'patriarchy' seriously
back to tumblr, accident tranny
>>6205488
>you are on the lgbt board full of gay people and trannies.. and occasional other lgbtqia+ people
>asking the lgbtqiaalphabetsoup why they dont like gay people
>asking gay people why they dont like gay people
go away
>>6240144
>lol guys repressed homos don't exist i swear guys hahaha
kill yourself
>>6240114
What are you trying to say? That patriarchy doesn't exist simply because a website misuses it? I mean, you can mentally replace it with "society where people confirm to gender roles" if it really bothers you that much.
>>6240191
No you leftard cucklord, patriarchy doesn't exist. I wish it did, but it doesn't.
>>6240204
It doesn't (at least in the West), but it used to. That's what I'm saying. Can you read?
>>6205488
It's fear of a slippery slope scenario.
Which, to be fair, probably doesn't seem like as much of a logical fallacy to them when they turn on the news and see people arguing that grown men should be allowed to share bathrooms with little girls, or that pedophilia isn't abnormal, or that bestiality is okay.
People are often hesitant to support change they do approve of, because they fear it will lead to change they disapprove of.
I think if more people on the left and right were willing to try to see things from the others' perspective, it'd go a long way towards improving things.
They're like blacks and most of the other minorities that liberals pander to. Once you give them attention they become annoying and will continue to be annoying to get more attention.
Also the fact that they support direct democracy is destructive and dangerous. They'd love to elect a dictator as long as he/she/ze/F-22 Raptor-kin provides them with the bread and circuses they demand. They vote based on their own self-interest rather than the interest of the community as a whole.
The actual gay part is mostly secondary to those two points. At least for the anti-gay folk I know. They also think it's icky. Which is funny and true.
Then you have cunts who think that their jew on a stick, or warlord kiddy fucker, or jew God (Satan) told them it's a no-no. Frankly, I've come around to liking the idea of religion, but I'm still agnostic and I view people who base their life off of what is essentially a 2000 year old version of Harry Potter with much sympathy and a little disdain. But the conservative points that the dogma that most religions cherish do often have a lot of practicality behind them if you do a little research.
>>6240660
>gays
>democrats
Yeah maybe the flaming fags in San Fran
>>6240319
So you destroyed the West. Congratulations. Have fun being thrown off a roof to chants of, "Allahu akbar!". Or being conscripted into a "people's army" upon threat of having you and your family locked in a gulag.
The West was the most tolerant and free society on the face of the Earth. And it wasn't good enough for you so you'd rather tear it down and let the Salafists and the Marxists and the Nazis and the Fascists and Socialists gobble up the scraps. Good job, faggot.
>>6240665
>can't into statistics
Okay then. Just because you and I and one half of the other 12 people on this Laotian finger nail painting bulletin board are right wing cock lovers doesn't mean that the other fags are. The vast majority are hardcore on the liberal plantation. I always see communist flags at gay pride rallies and sometimes see gay flags at communist rallies. Gays are synonymous with the left.
>>6205627
Hi, I'm a crossposter from /pol/
You're all degenerates, have a nice day.
>>6205488
Religion, Machoism, dislike for the abnormal, "stop liking things I don't like"
Basically it.
>>6205627
>somehow bad
God you people are SO delusional.
>>6240707
This x100. So hilarious seeing these faggots that post on /pol/ thinking that gay people are universally or even mostly right wing. Delusional.
>>6240973
It's a very small minority at best. I like cocks, but I also like reality. Most the LGBT doesn't care much for reality.
>>6239364
>homophobia is the """""cure""""" to homosexuality
>>6240707
>just because a lot of this sub who are gay and aren't liberals doesn't mean to say that all gay people aren't literally synonymous with the left
literally what
we may be a minority but we aren't fucking """""synonymous""""" with the left
>>6240855
thank you
>>6240968
honestly who cares if you don't have kids, it's not as if there is a sparsity of human beings on this planet
>>6241238
>we may be a minority but we aren't fucking """""synonymous""""" with the left
lel, i thought only trannies were the delusional ones.
>>6241273
I was referring to being a non-Leftist homosexual you dumb sack of shit
We can't be """""synonymous""""" if we still exist, if you actually believe that then you're the deluded one, pal
>>6241310
lel^2
>>6241310
>not capable of understanding what a generalization is
Are you SURE you're not a left winger?
>>6241371
Holy Jesus, kid. I already said that I'M a right wing faggot.
Just because there's like 17 of us doesn't mean that the vast majority of gays are not left wing. If you don't believe it, fine. But the fact that you cannot understand the concept that a few gays can be right wing and the majority of them can be left wing is really concerning.
>>6240686
This is le epic troll, right? Because I quite clearly said I was alt-right and in favour of patriarchy and white nationalism. How the fuck you went from there to leftist is beyond me.
>>6241238
>>homophobia is the """""cure""""" to homosexuality
Nice strawman. It must be so easy being right when you just ignore the carefully-worded arguments put forward and run with a massive simplification.
>>6241395
I agree with what you are saying, we are not a majority, but gay people aren't """""synonymous""""".
synonymous - sJˈnɒnJməs
adjective
(of a word or phrase) having the same meaning as another word or phrase in the same language.
>>6241419
Yet you're literally using a metaphor of homosexuality being a disease in a body..... With homophobia being a part of the """""immune system"""""
LOL holy shit you're the one who fucking said it
>>6240377
This.
The social justice internet heroes crowd is always on the lookout for the next most victimized group. The second the ink was dry on the gay marriage laws, they immediately started pushing for transgender rights, and now they're already pushing for normalizing cuckoldry and pedophilia.
As physically ill as it makes me to say it - the right's slippery slope fears aren't completely baseless.
>>6241504
Which is why some of us fags are right wing anti gay marriage libertarian retards
>>6205761
your understanding of the english language is abhorrent.
>>6205488
Idk but I hate cis lesbians and in my case it's from bad experiences in the community and lack of sex, I actually used to be fine
>still posting in cisgen
Different people probably have different reasons
I also have a hypothesis that the initial disgust reaction when seeing people of the gender you're not attracted to doing sexual stuff with each other is perfectly normal and would apply to most gay people too if they weren't desensitized to heterosexuality with the media and all, like seeing your parents fuck
>>6249449
>would apply to most gay people too if they weren't desensitized to heterosexuality
I think it's the opposite. The normal reaction to sexual activity with the gender you're not attracted to is boredom, or perhaps relatively mild rejection, but not outright disgust. Straight men have been conditioned to have a strong disgust reaction to male homosexual activity as part of socialization. Note that there's less of a pressure on women to maintain an image of straightness at all times, and I think their disgust reaction to lesbian sex is also much more mild.
>>6241504
>pushing for normalizing pedophilia
*citation needed
I see more of that on the right side with their sates-rights child brides.
>>6205488
you are part of the problem
>>6256421
How so?
>>6205848
>>6205882
Your reaction must be mostly cultural. One of my long time closest friends is gay and a similar situation occurred with us. I've known him from before we'd figured out our sexual orientations.
I wasn't one of his first crushes, but I'm pretty sure I was one of the earlier ones. And I don't know how long he'd been holding it before letting me know.
But I come from a pretty gay tolerant place and I never found it felt like the same kind of betrayal. We had a little talk, I asked him if he was okay still being friends knowing I was off the table. He said he understood and we've been good ever since. That was over 10 years ago now and both he and his current boyfriend are close friends of mine.
I hate gay people for the simple reason that they demand special rights and force people against their beliefs to get married.The day you start asking for special rights is the day you deserve not rights.
>>6205488
Religion. Specifically people abusing religion for their own ends.
Abrahamic religion is responsible for most of it in modern society, but Abrahamic religion was not initially homophobic. In Islam it's actually not as bad as hetero sex outside of marriage. Gay sex is forgivable, but premarital hetero sex is supposed to be punished by death. Christianity actually had nothing against it at all (except that one asshat who whines about mixed fabrics and widows remarrying)
Then suddenly people started retconning the bible and shoving their political agendas into it, and all of a sudden homosex was a sin and gays were subhuman scum. Then this rendition of Christianity spread across the world and its ideology became the foundation for modern society. There are all kinds of values that nonreligious people hold that originally came from Christianity, and they have no idea where those values came from. They just cling to them because "that's just how it is/has always been".
Pretty much every social issue nowadays can be traced back in the same way.
>>6260118
>Then suddenly people started retconning the bible and shoving their political agendas into it, and all of a sudden homosex was a sin and gays were subhuman scum.
But that didn't come from the religion, as you say. So where did the original hate come from?
>>6205488
I think homophobia is linked to conservative thinking, which comes from the way the person with homophobia is raised and other factors(surroundings, culture, etc.)
I think that it's very rare for a person to become homo"phobic" if they don't get any outside factors that would influence them to think that way.
>>6205882
But what if he only became interested in you after a while, not because you turned him on
>>6241445
Except cure implies it removes the disease. You're not going to remove homosexuality, some people will always be gay. What you can do is create a culture that results in a lower % of homosexuals and more nuclear families, enough to reach replacement fertility rate. Now stop building strawmen.
