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Why does the Sten have a horizontal magazine? And are there any advantages to a horizontal magazine?
Good for prone.
>>29429848
If I were to guess Probably a longer barrel, but not by much.
Because it was a cheaper version of the Lancaster, which had a horizontal magazine
>Why did the Lancaster have a horizontal magazine?
Because it was a copy of the German MP28/II, which had a horizontal magazine
>Why did the MP28/II have a horizontal magazine?
Because it was an update of the the MP18, which had a horizontal magazine
>Why did the MP18 have a horizontal magazine, rather than a "classical" downward vertical magazine?
In design, it was mandated that the weapon should be able to use Luger snail drums. It could be that these snail drums didn't feed the next round quick enough when working against gravity, but quick enough when feeding from the side
In use, such that it could be kept low to the ground without a downward magazine interfering. This was an important consideration given the lessons learned in World War 1
>>29430203
Did the MP18 also use 8 round Luger sticks?
>>29430320
I doubt it. The snail drum needed a special sleeve so it would seat correctly. Sleeve probably wouldn't fit right on a shorter Luger stick magazine.
>>29429848
Dad was issued a Sterling in the Canadian Army in the 80's. He fucking hated it.
>>29430551
Your dad is a fag
>>29429848
>why does Sten
Posts Sterling SMG.
I still want a suppressed Sten.
Also vertical mag SMGs confirmed for Straya.
Pic related.
>>29430596
not him or his dad they suck for anything over 75m and are kinda finicky
>>29430658
>Let's stick the magazine right between the sights so you can't see what you're shooting
Australian logic
Unless of course they were, in typical Australian fashion, holding them upside-down
>>29430690
Have you ever seen a bren or a jap type 99 machine gun? They have offset sights you autist, there is nothing in the way of the sights.
>>29430685
Good enough distance for subgun work.
>>29430690
The sights are offset.
>>29430690
>implying you cant put the sights to the side
idiot
With an LMG, side mounted mags can be changed quickly by the assistant gunner.
>>29430596
Only one of them asshole.
for reasons
>>29429848
>Sterling-Sub-Machine-Gun-9mm.jpg
>STEN
It's right fucking there in the file name m8
>>29432627
>>29430658
>>29430551
>all these fags thinking OP's pic is a Sterling
>pic is obviously an E-11
>>29430203
neat
Vowels are letters that can be spoken without breaking the airflow
Consonants are letters that the flow of air must be broken to pronouce
What's the difference
>>29432627
Question was for >>29432749
>>29430551
My dad said the same thing too. Canadian Army, 80's.
>>29430551
>>29432845
Long lost brothers meeting on /k/... makes me heart warm up <3
>>29432749
Being different guns? It's like asking what the difference is between a nugget and an SKS. The difference is that they're different guns made at different times.
The Sterling is a more modern gun and in some ways the successor to the STEN. It was not used in WWII at all, despite the common misconception that it was.
The STEN was actually used in WWII as a cheapshit SMG like was so popular at the time. In addition to being used by the British, who made the gun, it was also a gun commonly given to partisan forces in Poland and France. The weapon was heavily copied, with variations showing up all around Europe. Even the Volkssturm ended up being issued STEN clones, though they were fitted with vertical mags, as were many of the copies.
Simplicity
>>29432939
It was used in WWII you dong
>>29432961
If you count the Pratchett gun
>>29429848
It does. Your just holding it wrong.
>>29429848
You should be asking what is the advantage of a vertical mag.
>horizontal mag
Prone position
>upside down mag
Doesn't need a spring
Reliable
Quicker to change on a LMG
>>29434501
>Quicker to change on a LMG
Not relevant today.
>Doesn't need a spring
>>29429869
How the fuck do you think that a horizontal mag would make the barrel longer?
>>29434565
If it feeds from the side you can made it closer to the trigger or even behind it.
>>29429848
It looks cool.
>>29430320
I believe it could, but it was not issued with them.
>>29434561
Some vertical magazines didn't use springs. Gravity did the work for you.
One cool advantage to that kind of system is that if the top is open, you can just keep dumping more rounds on top. That's what they did for the Gatling gun.
>>29434943
>Some vertical magazines didn't use springs. Gravity did the work for you.
It just won't work reliably with most guns.
The Danes tried to use it on a very early semi-autos but it wasn't really successful.
Although their military did adopt it on a very limited scale making it the first ever military issue semi-auto.
It was officially adopted in 1896 and remained in service until the early 1930s.
>>29434897
The FG-42 is interesting because it's almost a bullpup.
Were the magazine horizontal the gun would need to be a lot longer.
>>29435042
The Madsen works just fine
>>29435075
The Madsen light machine gun does work very well.
But that has a spring loaded magazine.
The 1896 recoil operated rifle is iffy at best, partyly due to the fact that the magazine is gravity fed.
>>29435048
I know that in this tacticool age of ambidexterity side mags are considered a big no-no, but I still wanna see some on the market because they just look so damn exotic.
>>29435106
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/02/14/death-from-above-a-review-of-smgs-reproduction-fg-42-rifle/
>>29435106
I'd love to see a modernized version of the TRW Low Maintenance Rifle for sale in semi-auto only.
If you don't know what the LWR is, it was developed as a high reliability insurgency weapon to be distributed to forces loyal to the US during the Vietnam war, but the project was canceled in 1973.
It uses an M16 mag and an M60 trigger group (full auto only, open bolt operation).
It's a long stroke piston operated weapon that uses flaps to lock the bolt.
It's mechanically more reminiscent of a very light machine gun than a rifle, but it's cool as fuck and it's actually lighter than an M16 despite the steel construction.
>>29435201
Whoops, forgot the pic!
I recall hearing this weird ass fuddlore about the stens, how they made them with vertical magazines so resistance fighters could easily use them from a car in a drive by.
>>29430551
Two of my Uncles and Dad were also Canadian Army in the 80's and all hated the Sterling.
>>29429861
this answer should have ended this thread...
>>29435217
100% true.
Nah, just kidding.
It's bullshit.
>>29435145
Good lord.
4 Trench Fighting a horizontal mag is better. better to change, etc.
tommys feared a german invasion, expecting trench warfare.
pic related guy who worked out plan 4 invasion
To look cool
>>29430747
>>29430758
>>29430778
>let's also block a shit ton of my peripheral vision
>>29435444
trip don't lie
>>29435247
>>29435247
I just wanna point out that that's a .308. a .223 version would be compact as fuck.
>>29435245
Story?
>>29430658
You know that most of the supressed stens were semi-only right?
Firing more than a short burst would fuck up the supressors on the stens. Probably cuz they were as cheap as the rest of the sten.
Simple.
You can be lower to the ground than you would with a vertical magazine.
It's the perfect design for firing prone.
