Why the nigger are these so fucking expensive?
>>30650857
>MFW I prefer folding stock
>>30650857
Because Bill Ruger literally shit the mini 14 recievers from his ass. Now that he's "dead" its very expensive to keep his body alive for mini 14 production.
The costs are passed on to consumers.
>>30650857
complicated machining steps
Everyone asks this stupid question about M1 type actions
They're hard to fucking machine
>>30650857
we JUST had a thread about this
That said, it's a unique action, as >>30651253 says it's complex to make, and on top of that in several states/areas it's available where typical semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines are not, so to people in those states it's more attractive despite it's price. Plus, much like a Taylor & Co Schofield revolver, some people are content to spend extra money for a thing they like a lot, even if that thing doesn't make as much sense as a cheaper option, it's just what they want. Withl those factors combined, Ruger makes enough to continue selling them for what they do
(pro-tip, MSRP of a gun is usually more than you'll actually find them selling for in real life, if that's all you're basing their expensiveness on)
Anon, save up your money and get a springfield M1A scout squad. I, too wanted a mini until I handled the real thing. Mini 14 would be a great gun for six or seven hundred...
>>30650857
I'll sell you one OP. make an offer.
It's [spoiler]fun[/spoiler] even though it's not a [spoiler]cookie-cutter AR[/spoiler]
I got an offer from a gun shop I worked with to get a brand new Mini Ranch for $830. I'm tempted to, but I'm also tempted to leap on grabbing a $600 AR, like the MP sport or something. I just want something to shoot .223 that won't be a piece of shit.
Should I save or just pass on the Mini for now? There's no expiration date for that offer on the Mini, should the price stay stable.
Bc Ruger knows dumasses will pay top dollar for this shit. When it's really just the most expensive pluming rifle out there
>>30651914
Go with what you feel bro. If you just want a .223 slinger, get the AR. If there's something(s) you really like about the Mini, then wait for the Mini since there's no urgency
Are we going to start having mini14s are too damn expensive general threads now?
I love 7.62x39 but want to use it in things other than AKs. How's the Mini Thirty?
>>30652085
Why not get an SKS? It's basically what a mini is to an AR but for AKs.
>>30652170
Or a.....Mini 30?
It's a fudd extreme rifle with a dildos action. Unless you live in a communist state that requires a featureless magazine fed rifle avoid at all costs.
>>30652218
Why not save +$400 and get a functionally same SKS?
And if you're all about that action just buy a Garand. It'll still cost you less and be more enjoyable.
>>30650857
>rifle to compete with sks
>more expensive than an sks and less accurate
good job america
>>30650857
Why would you buy this ?
>>30652421
Because it isn't an SKS? What if anon's train of thought is "SKSs are cool, but I want something else that shoots 7.62 with a traditional stock"?
Don't get me wrong, I have an SKS and love it, and like Mini 14/30s but don't own any, just saying there's more to a purchase than what it does on paper, some people just like an aesthetic or feel or whatever. He asked how the Mini 30s are cause he's interested in one, not the best bang for his buck
>>30650892
> mfw there is no folding stock even pictured
>>30652431
is it really less accurate? I thought it had a better sight radius.
also detachable magazines are great
>>30652465
He wanted something that uses 7.62x39 and isn't an AK. He didn't mention that he wasn't interested in a SKS.
Hey if you like minis and really like x39 go for it, but if you're just looking for another x39 in semi auto there's no real reason to choose a mini over a SKS.
They've both inoffensive looking, traditionally stocked rifles, which can both use detachable mags- admittedly not stock for a SKS.
>>30652490
The original design for the Ruger was not very accurate. They've upped the design and made it a much more stable gun to shoot.
>>30652490
It's one of those things people read on the internet that gets exaggerated as it spreads, like glocknades. Early Mini 14s had a problem where as the barrel heated up groupings spread. It's been solved by Ruger for years, and even then if it worries you that much you can buy an accu-strut, which makes it look more M-14ish anyways, but they're plenty accurate.
I don't own one, I just hate seeing perfectly good guns get shit one because a handful of anecdotes from ten years ago have become concrete fact and the shit gets repeated by people who have never even touched one
>>30652545
>>30652548
Oh, great to hear. I've always kinda wanted one.
I'd get one if they were about $200 cheaper and took STANAG mags.
>>30652085
I had one for a while, it was pretty cool. Seemed to eat steel case just fine. I bought mine in like 1998, so I'm not sure if they have changed anything on them since. Wish I still had it TBQH, only paid $425 for in new.
>>30651698
>allergic to dust
>a thread yesterday about 2 different anon's M1A blowing the fuck up
Never suggest that piece of shit to anyone ever again.
I bought one for 350$ right before Sandy Hook, but it is a 181. Shoots pretty good, only problem is some chump removed the irons for a weaver sight. Shoots ok, not a laser by any means, but will do 2 moa all day if I'm doing my part and not feeding it shit ammo. Cycles everything, however.
>>30653616
That anon also refused to post some details about what happened with the incidents. Like what ammo was used.
>>30650857
>Making this thread again
Theme shitposters are the worst.
>>30650857
>economy of scale
>inherently expensive design
That said you can find a modern 580 series rifle for just $700, pretty agreeable honestly.
>>30651698
Again, you can easily find a brand new one for $700, less maybe if used.
>>30651914
You can do better. For the price it better include spare mags of at least 20rd capacity.
>>30652085
They're alright.
One common complaint is that mags are kind of uncommon but I think it's easier to find 20rd factory mags these days.
The biggest complaint I see is that it won't always eat steel case very well, and the common solution I see is to thoroughly polish the bolt-face smooth or to replace the hammer-spring.
A rumor you'll hear is that the bore is incorrectly sized for 7.62x39mm, but this isn't true.
I've always kind of wanted a stainless Mini-30 with a grey laminate wood stock, an Ultimak top-rail, and 20rd factory mags.
ProMag makes a 30rd steel mag which looks like an AK mag, but I'd try one out before buying a bunch of them.
>>30651698
>Mini 14 would be a great gun for six or seven hundred...
You can regularly find them on slickguns for sub 700 prices.
>>30652170
No detachable mags, no M1 style action, no laminate wood.
>>30652421
A good Garand will cost you more than a Mini-30, it'll also have less capacity and way more recoil.
Also it's way fucking heavier.
>>30650857
beacause only retards buy them
>>30652431
>less accurate
Good meme.
>>30652486
Probably talking about the old factory folder.
>>30652548
Way longer than ten years ago.
But yes, if it's a 580 or later series Mini it should be just fine.
>>30652421
>And if you're all about that action just buy a Garand. It'll still cost you less and be more enjoyable.
The whole reason I'm looking at the Mini 30 is because I want a Garand action that will eat cheap 7.62x39. .30-06 and .308 are more fun per shot, but I want one that can use my cheap AK food I already have.
>>30650857
i have a better question
Why the fuck don't they make semis of pic related?
>>30650857
>why the nigger
Underaged confirmed
>>30656718
They did, it's called the Mini-14GB
They'd come with that factory folder as an option.
>>30656675
Also, I might get an SKS later, but I'm one of those shop-local faggots and I'd rather direct money to people building American guns before people importing Soviet castoffs.
>>30650857
>Be in maryland
>the few detachable mag fed centerfire rifles are all $1400+
>except mini's, su16's and vz58's
>minis and vz's get more expensive every year
>su16s are non existent and shit
Well just fucking kill me
>>30652465
Ares SCR with wood and an ARAK upper in 762
>Why the nigger are these so fucking expensive
>read it as 'Why are these niggers so fucking expensive'
>mfw
>>30656957
Goddammit stop suggesting things that I suddenly want. The ARAK upper looks so sexy but I had never thought of pairing it with the SCR until now.
>>30656957
I haven't heard much good things about the ARAK.
>>30657050
Accuracy of an AK
Reliability of a vietnam era m16
>>30657050
Every review I've read of it suggests that it's awful in .223/5.56 because you need to adjust the gas depending on which brand of ammo you're shooting. I haven't seen anyone try it in 762 yet.
>>30657151
>having to adjust gas with each brand of ammo
That's asinine, I can't think of any other commercial gas operated rifle which requires this.
>>30657167
Yeah even the fucking Mini-14 doesn't have that problem.
>>30650857
Fudds.
I wouldn't pay more than $400 for one and you're better off with an AR or an AK.
Or most other semi-autos.
>>30652431
And less reliable.
>>30657265
>I wouldn't pay more than $400
Because you don't know the actual manufacturing value.
>And less reliable
Don't be using ProMags.
>>30657294
The last one I saw was $998 new.
And I've seen them as low as $500.
>>30657314
>The last one I saw was $998 new.
You're getting fucked in the ass. Even sporting goods stores have them for under $900 here.
>>30651914
>$600 AR
>>30657314
You can find the brand new good ones for like $600-700 easy.
>>30657348
.t Colt shareholder
>>30657151
>because you need to adjust the gas depending on which brand of ammo you're shooting
so they went full RFB then
>>30657479
Where RFB = Real Fuckin' Baka, yes.
>>30657377
t. non milspec AR owner
>>30657488
no lel kek RFB, first gen had to be adjusted for ammo brand.
>>30657491
You are now aware that "milspec" is the absolute barest standard of quality that a weapon is to be held to. Enjoy your $900 16" carbine gassed antique.
>>30657517
and you fucked up by buying a
>$600 AR
that doesn't even meet
>absolute barest standard of quality
>>30657491
>milspec
>literally just average across the board for an average price
>averages 3-4 MOA (like a Ruger or S&W AR)
>probably thinks there's something special about issued M4s and M16s beyond the select-fire lower
You're cute.
>>30657541
Milspec is an industry buzzword, there is literally no qualifier and even Hi-Point can call their items milspec just because.
>>30657541
>C-COLT QWULITY
>>30657491
>he bought a fucking factory build
>>30657573
I miss when Colt were good, now they're just average and overpriced.
Remember how cool the old SP-1 rifles were?
>>30657590
>he actually thinks I would ever pay money for an AR
>>30657517
>milspec
>absolute barest standard of quality
Yeah that's why militaries around the world use Olympic and Del-Ton rifles. Doesn't matter at all.
You're an idiot.
>>30657517
...and yet non milspec AR's can't even meet that standard of quality.
Sad.
>>30657566
>it's an industry buzzword my AR is just as good as a FN AR
>>30657573
>mfw colt is losing .mil contracts to fnh
>>30657684
as they should FNH makes nice guns
>>30654888
>laminate wood
Where? Every Mini Thirty I've seen has composite stocks. Are you talking aftermarket?
>>30657695
damn straight, both my ars have fnh bolt carriers, barrels and uppers. I also love their fns striker fired line, good shit for the price
>>30657682
I'm not saying a S&W or Ruger AR is quite as good as a Colt or FNH AR, (though they're capable of similar groupings) just that milspec literally is a buzzword being tossed around by anyone and everyone.
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=420550
https://primaryandsecondary.com/mil-spec-the-minimum-standard-for-quality/
http://www.adamkonieska.com/archives/Why-You-Should-Stop-Saying-Mil-Spec/
>>30657566
Are you fucking retarded? Milspec. Military Specifications.
It's not a buzz word. It's literally a set of published standards.
>>30657705
Aside from some dealer exclusives, and the Mini-14 Target (.223 only), you'd have to get one aftermarket.
>>30657779
>It's literally a set of published standards.
Which aren't thoroughly followed and is slapped onto anything and everything regardless of if it makes sense.
>>30656938
Life is suffering in the People's Republic.
>>30657802
>Which aren't thoroughly followed and is slapped onto anything and everything regardless of if it makes sense.
by $600 dollar AR manufacturers
>>30657590
>He posted failtale
Have a picture and a you
>>30658001
>Colt
>literally no full-auto carrier
>literally no third pin hole
Guess they're not following milspec standards.
>>30657779
Your Ar didn't come in the packaging the military specified? It's already not milspec
>>30650857
Bribes to politicians to keep the Mini-14 off any AWB at the state and federal levels.
>>30658524
That might actually make it worthwhile lol. Ban proof guns in cheap plinker/defense calibers are useful as shit to anyone living in California or a state with a bunch of Californian immigrants.
>>30652228
What about this series?
>>30650897
Now I have this image in my head of Bill Ruger sitting on the Emperor's golden throne.
>>30658744
damn, that looks nice. really dislike the look of the ones with the thumb hole
>>30658744
Don't they only take single stack mags though, or does the importer fix that?
>>30657668
>Milspec = the best quality possible
We, dat purchase justification
>>30657705
>>30657790
http://www.ruger.com/products/miniThirty/specSheets/5804.html
Ruger offers a stainless model with the wood stock again. 5802 is available for those who want .223 instead of 7.62x39mm
>>30658905
>not liking the Vepr thumbhole stock
>>30652069
Seems that way. At least the" M1 action is unreliable" meme seems to have died down.
>>30652548
I have an older 1980 built 183 series. The gun has decent 2 MOA accuracy when cold. Run a thirty round magazine throughout quickly, and the groups open up considerably. It would still be good enough for a man sized target at a couple hundred yards, though.
>>30661677
>Seems that way.
Remember: /k/ is full of nogunz and poorfags. That's why Nuggets and SKSes were so popular here. Anything over $600 or non-hunting rifle ammunition that cost more than $0.50/rd might as well be unobtanium to them.
>>30654913
Pretty sneaky, swapping stocks.like that.
I'd love to find a GB.
>>30661677
>Too expensive for what they are
and
>Too expensive
Can be one and the same, and Mini-14s are widely considered the former. The only camp I've seen with a bigger chip on their shoulder than the P-90 crown is the Mini-14 base.
>>30657265
>And less reliable
Honestly, where the he'll did this come from. Used to be AR fags would grudgingly admit the Mini was more.reliable, the prattle on.endlessly about "muh accuracy". Now they're trying to claim Minis are unreliable as well?
MFW I see the prices for one of the only good .223 rifles available in Canada and then seeing the mini-14 in an archangel sparta stock.
Help me from justifying my non-restricted tacticool boner .
>>30661743
For a second there I thought the couch was a black guy holding the gun.
>>30661852
was also meant to include >>30661756
I can afford a Mini-14 easily, but why the fuck would I get one when the (TRIGGER WARNING FOR ALL MINI OWNERS, TURN BACK NOW) AR-15 can be had for as much or even less and offer a shitload more? It's a rather niche rifle that is only desirable over the alternatives in its price range if you live in a commie shithole of a state or you just like them. It's an okay gun that's priced like a good gun.
>>30661908
As far as the Mini Thirty goes, the AR-15 platform is finicky and crappy as all hell in 7.62x39. the AK platform is, shall we say, not tack drivers. The Mini Thirty, especially with an accu-strut, is the best semi auto in 7.62x39 that you can get in the US.
As for the "b-but muh californiggers" argument, about 1/8 of the entire country lives in California. At last count that's about 41 million fucking people. Giving them access to a nice 5.56/.223 platform in semi auto is a fucking miracle all on its own.
>>30661883
>Honestly, where the he'll did this come from.
It comes from the same wellspring of idiocy from which the M1A/M14 and Garand bashers drink: one overhyped, misinterpreted mud test video that showed that if you submerge a Garand-type action in two feet of wet sloppy mud that there are some reliability problems.
>>30661886
Do it faggot.
>>30661743
Put a strut on that gun and it'll improve.
>>30661908
Well I got mine in 1994 for $600, but that included both the factory folder and a standard stock, in case Feinstein got her way along with 1000 rounds of ammo.
I'm not knocking the AR, but a couple of broken case head incidents with an M-16 sort of soured me on a closed action rifle.
I realise the it's unlikely with quality commercial ammo, but clearing a broken case head jam can take minutes you do not have. The one broken case with the Mini, factory reloaded ammo in never bought again, was cleared in seconds.
Again, just personal preference.
>>30661990
I honestly find it hard to believe anyone would advocate owning a Mini-30 over an AK if they were so desperate to have a rifle in a grapefruit-trajectory round. Especially if the crux of their argument revolves around accuracy, when rifles like the VEPR exist.
>the AK platform is, shall we say, not tack drivers.
Neither is the Mini-30. In fact, it's average performance is exactly on par with a typical 7.62 AK.
>>30662031
Can't. It's an original factory folder with the side mounted sling swivel. The accustrut won't lock onto the gas block. I can live with it.>>30661743
>>30662059
>Especially if the crux of their argument revolves around accuracy, when rifles like the VEPR exist.
The Vepr is just an overgrown AK in 7.62x39. It's only worth the price in 7.62x54r or .308.
>>30662155
And it also manage to have 2 MOA (or better) accuracy. All while being in the same pricerange as the Mini-30.
>>30652567
It's still not super accurate. It's WAY better than it used to be, but a basic AR will outshoot it any day of the week. And this is coming from a big Mini fan.
>>30662155
>The Vepr is just an overgrown AK in 7.62x39.
what's your point?
>>30653616
>Blowing up an M1A
How incompetent do you have to be to accomplish this?
>>30662279
Is there a level of stupid below Gomer Pyle? If so it's necessary.
