Why in movies the Marines are depicted as the ultimate killing machines, when in reality they are the lowest tier in the military?
>lowest
They aren't the branch whose entire operations got castrated by Turks
>>30649647
In Spec Ops the Line you're fighting Army, not Marines.
How have you not played that game?
>>30649647
gotta keep enlistment up
>>30649668
I just used it as a picture, in Spec Ops you're Delta a.k.a the best of the best of the best.
They make Seals look like Marines
>>30649683
...Look I get you want to get replies, but being retarded isn't trolling.
It's being retarded.
>>30649663
Lmao some airman really fucked you up in the past.
Spec Ops the Line was fucking great.
>>30649698
Did I trigger you, meatshield?
>>30649647
>A very, very small amount of the people who apply for DELTA and SEAL's can get in
>Just about everyone from the average Joe to the absolute dregs of society can get into the Marines if they're in somewhat alright shape
You tell me
>>30649647
Army jelly?
>>30649647
t. butthurt army pog
>>30649647
Muhreens are always the most operating operators, have you never watched any movie, son?
>>30649647
It's literally propaganda.
The Marines are the guys you send when the Army's too smart to go. So you need a bunch of dumb gung-ho bodies, so you go THIS IS THE BEST THIS IS WHERE YOU GO TO PROVE YOU'RE THE BEST RAAA U S A U S A
And anyone with half a brain can see it's bullshit. But you don't want anyone with half a brain.
>>30650074
This.
If you've ever met a marine, you'd know that this universally applies, regardless of if they're Intel, firefighters, etc
Everyone on /k/ is always so upset that the United States Department of the Navy is literally the most powerful self-contained fighting force on the planet.
>>30650211
why would we be mad? The Coast Guard are fucking badasses.
>>30650242
I agree the Coast Guard are great, but they aren't Department of the Navy.
>>30650250
They are during an actual war.
>>30650265
They are all of the time. I'm not even trying to bait, I can't think of any force in the world that comes close to the ability of the US Department of the Navy. It is literally a self contained, fully supplied, military within the military.
>>30650103
My marine buddy gets triggered if you mention the Air Force
>>30650103
Marines are kind of like SJW's, they basically start every conversation with "my preferred pronoun is Marine"
My grandfather never really liked marines. Maybe because he was navy
>>30649663
kek
>>30650387
>Fucking gold
>>30649647
Pic unrelated, character was delta in that game
IPAC faggot detected
>>30650387
>>30650387
Jesus Christ....
>>30649647
The Marines, post WW2, needed to differentiate themselves to justify their existence. (After all, they are just a watered down army, pun intended).
This led to the Marines being massive propaganda whores, like on par with Stalin. Also led to them keeping the best dress uniform the US Military has ever had.
Modern day, it really just boils down to people with no actual knowledge of how the military works (Statistically, 97-98% of the population), just assume Marines=Special Operator tier. Hell there are guys in the military, Marines and Army that actually believe that.
>>30650387
That was a good kek anon, thank you
>>30650387
War is a social construct
>>30649668
You're actually fighting the National Guard.
>>30650292
Coast Guard is DHS, unless they are placed under DoD because of a war. Last time that happened was WWII.
>>30651043
>The Marines, post WW2, needed to differentiate themselves to justify their existence.
No, no they did not. Several generals played politics and got minimums for marines written into law against the president's wishes. Your thesis is false.
The Marines are like the Waffen-SS
>independent from the actual army despite doing the same thing
>highly zealous
>made up of foreigners
>first into combat zones and take the heaviest casualties
>insane sense of pride for their organization despite it being the Heer but different
>>30651512
Fuck the coasties anyways. Theyre the fuckers that make it illegal for me to have rum while im at sea
I tried to join the Marines but I couldn't pass the test. I couldn't fit my head in the jar.
>>30649734
that's doesn't really answer anything, it only begs the question
would any of you guys actually say any of this shit to a marines face? i mean not just austically, but if one of them started shit like the ones anywhere do.
all the ones i ever met are belligerent as fuck. they act like abused children or just got out of prison. jumpy and trying to mean mug everyone. back when i was growing up around fayetteville there was a joint training exercise where the marines would get fucked up and fight with everyone. there was a thing in the newspaper in, I would like to say later 90's, about them fighting at titty bars.
the only one that didnt have much happen was sharkies, which is the single worst stripclub on earth. the deviant motherfuckers that would go there were all kindred spirits and never fought.
>>30651930
>would any of you guys actually say any of this shit to a marines face
When I was in the service, I'd damn near yell it at them during Team Spirit exercises.
>>30651878
They just enforce the laws, they don't get to write them. Are you telling me your dumb ass is so backasswards that you can pilot a boat, but can't hide a bottle on said boat? That is some savant level idiocy. How are you operating this computer?
>>30651930
I have to my friend who is one.
>>30651966
I dont pilot, I just work there man.
>>30651821
You forgot given second tiered equipment and used as meatshields by the Army
The Line was pretty based. The loading screens creeped me the fuck out.
>>30651930
>Army
>Marines
They both go to a titty bar. It's all fun in games until they start drinking then start crackin the branch jokes.
WEW LAWD. In the end, both fuck each other up and both run from the 5-0
Good times
>>30649647
fuck off you dumb boot
>>30652150
>You're a bad person for playing a scripted sequence
Man so deep.....
>>30652150
The Line was shit, they tried so hard to force their message they had to remove all choices because when one existed play testers took the moral way out.
Then they had the nerve to call people immoral for playing the game they paid for. 'You don't have to play it' is bullshit unless they offer an unconditional full refund.
>>30653941
Pretty much this
>>30653941
Sorry you were triggered by a great game, anon.
>>30653941
It was hanging a lampshade on contemporary milfic fps games but it wasn't actually a deconstruction. You don't need a full deconstruction of games that stupid to get the point.
>>30653963
Its not great though, the developers actively set out to criticise the people who bought the game.
>>30653966
There is no point though. Not only is virtual violence completely harmless and acceptable but the playtesters proved their fucked up theory was wrong. Since they ALWAYS chose to avoid doing the things the finished game forces you to do.
>>30654048
The game wanted to make you feel the consequences of war. In order to make you feel the consequences, it had to make you make 'decisions' that led to those consequences.
If the game gave the option to turn around and not continue, the game would be over.
Unless you want them to make two completely parallel games, one where the story progresses as normal and one where you turn around and go home. Which would suck.
>>30654048
You have completely misunderstood the purpose of the game. You think that it has anything to do with the player, when it has everything to do with Walker. The player's role is to become more uncomfortable with Walker as they progress through the game, just like Adams and Lugo start feeling uneasy around him. One of the game directors mentioned that Walker is quite literally "in hell," like Konrad insinuated near the end of the game. As you distance yourself from Walker, you become able to pick apart more and more things that make it obvious that he is insane. (Tree being alive one second, then is dead the next. Statues of molten lava somehow standing upright, teleporting mannequins)
I mean, hell, they even chose a third person angle so that you would be "outside" of walker, instead of controlling his actions through his eyes.
All the choices in the game were ones that only walker himself were capable of in his mindset. Except the last one. That one actually belongs to the player. It basically asks, "This is the man we have shown you. What does he deserve?" Since the object of vidya is to kill the badguy, I chose death for walker. TL;DR you are a dense gaylord and you should stick to cawaduty
>>30654066
>>30654120
Not him, but thats still shit.
If a game gives you no choice whatsover but then punishes you for taking that "choice" its retarded.
As he said, it would only be valuable if you had the choice to not do the horrible things, even if its harder/more challenging.
And I hate to say this, but, yknow, like Memetales. That game at least only tried to make you feel bad for shit you actively did and could have choosen not to do. Here its >You have to do thing> Waaa why did you do thing? You could have turned off the console and paid 60 bucks for not playing.
>>30654142
different different different guy
I liked it simply because I went in thinking it was another call of duty knockoff that I would bang out in a weekend
I think that's what it was going for and it was good for me
>>30654120
>I mean, hell, they even chose a third person angle so that you would be "outside" of walker, instead of controlling his actions through his eyes.
So why do the loading screens try to make the player feel bad by saying shit like pic related?
>>30654142
You idiot. IT'S NOT PUNISHING YOU, IT'S PUNISHING WALKER. The player is a third party, a silent witness to WALKER'S warcrimes. The player is Walker's judge. You get to determine mercy or execution for walker.
You really are dense.
>>30654209
>You idiot. IT'S NOT PUNISHING YOU, IT'S PUNISHING WALKER.
Sure
>>30654142
Because Walker is telling himself that. Throughout the entire game, up until radioman, Walker keeps on saying "We can still save Dubai." This correlates with "You are still a good person." After he sees more and more hell visions, his denial starts unraveling; "This is all your fault."
I'd also like to point out that thr image you showed didn't accuse the player of anything, it just asked them "why should they care?"
>>30654220
Refer to
>>30654227
Also, thats a quote from konrad. Who is in walker's head. So that just reinforces my point that walker is telling himself he is guilty.
>>30654120
Then why did the developers outright criticise the players and answer criticisms with 'well you don't have to play the game you paid money for'.
>>30654241
you're a fucking retard kid.
YOU CONTROL WALKER. If you think you're just watching him do shit then you've been playing too many cinematic "games"
>>30654220
I wonder if the devs are happy that the game sold so poorly and so many people "won" by never playing it in the first place.
Spec ops was dogshit from a gameplay perspective and the entire story was pretentious college art student tier shit. I'm convinced that children think it was good because they've never read a novel that had more than 50 pages.
>force player to do shit
>Chew him out for doing forced shit
>No no, its about the guy you controll, nto you, you murderous sack of imperialist shit
Its like having the worst GM in a Pen and Paper game, and then it expects to be praised for it.
>>30654333
Well, see, it managed to get its moral of "You are a shit if ypu play our game" thorugh, nobody wanted to play it
>>30654195
Because they are using every part of the game to tell the story. The title screen changes with walker's mental state too.
>>30654292
Nither walker not the player are in control. They are both parts of a machine that will play out a story.
>>30651386
Is that why that game was so boring?
>>30654464
>>30654563
>My videogame is a interactive Movie
>also the gameplay is medicore
Yeah, nah, no wonder it was a financial failure
>>30654563
>Nither walker not the player are in control. They are both parts of a machine that will play out a story.
ok kid fuck off you know what i mean
>>30654333
It was a solid third person shooter and you know it.
You see when an author writes a novel, whether it's over or under 50 pages, it's still the vision of one man.
Games suffer from design by committee, a huge team has to construct a cohesive portrayal from a multitude of slightly differing visions.
The fact that you compare spec ops' story not to a game but to a novel is a triumph.
I nearly became a marine but the doctor gave me some ointment. Cleared it right up.
>>30654636
That you're a pleb who thinks games should not try novel ideas?
>>30654587
You didn't play it, eh?
>>30654648
Spec Ops is the No Russian level stretched out to several hours that calls you a faggot at the end. MW2 addressed the same themes as Spec Ops twice. Far Cry 4 actually gave you a proper choice, allowing you to complete the game without any violence simply by waiting for ten minutes.
>>30653918
>>30653941
Do you get mad reading Heart of Darkness too? It's not about you, it's about the character
Step 1. Shit on a controversial game.
Step 2. Pour some Army vs. Marine hate fuel on shit.
Step 3. Set shit on fire and post to /k/
Step 4. Laugh from the bushes as the entire barrac/k/s piles out, over each other, and onto the flaming shit in order to stomp it out.
Well done, thread. Well done. Craftsmanship.
>>30654142
>Memetele
Post discarded.
Fuck u
I understand he difference between marines and army in the UK, is it the same in the US?
Marines:
rapid reaction
specialist training in all environments
specialists in assaulting from water
traditionally use navy ships etc
Self-reliant
Army:
Grunts
each branch specialised
It seems like in the states marines are viewed as grunts and army as the intelligent ones. Any input (no bias please) ?
>>30654292
>>30654587
Are you literally retard?
>tfw former Marine and /k/ hates you
I just wanted to be your friend...
>>30654701
I played it and it sucks. Sorry I dont like what you like
>>30654832
Thats a book and not a videagame though
If I give the players a game that tries to be about your choices/what you did having influence, you better give me fucking choices to make, and dont force your story on me where I have to behave like a asshole so you can tell me Im a asshole.
Why not make a movie at that point? I dont have to pay 30 bucks for movieticket
>>30654648
>It was a solid third person shooter and you know it.
From a gameplay perspective, no, it was not. Unless you consider 'solid' being that it checks off most of the check boxes of what you 'need' to have in a TPS. Even then, it's clunky, poorly designed and absolute shit. In a game that's supposed to be about OH LOOK AT ALL THESE REAL GUNS AND EVEN A SINGLE BULLET HURTS YOU SO MUCH, the most threatening enemy is the faggot with a KNIFE, thus abandoning the entire logical base they tried to build up.
>The fact that you compare spec ops' story not to a game but to a novel is a triumph.
I did not. I compared people that think it's a good story to the kinds of mouth breathing philistines that have never read anything good in their life and then pick up Twilight and think it's a great novel. Just because you've never experienced symbolism or even been bright enough to see it in video games doesn't mean that the first game you come across where you recognize it (because it throws it in your face) is good.
The fact that people actually bought into the 'you could have just stopped playing anytime you wanted!' excuse the devs threw out for why the game was bad and that there were no choices in the game at all despite acting like you actually have them is possibly the most pretentious and idiotic thing I've ever seen in my life.
>>30655156
I don't hate all marines. Just the ones who are douches
>>30655251
The game was based on the book.
>>30655348
>From a gameplay perspective, no,
It had fun gunplay that worked pretty well.
>In a game that's supposed to be about OH LOOK AT ALL THESE REAL GUNS AND EVEN A SINGLE BULLET HURTS YOU SO MUCH
What the hell are you talking about?
>>30650074
>And anyone with half a brain can see it's bullshit.
Maybe now with the internet and whatnot but back in 2004 computers were harder and internet sucked more. Still thuogh it was probly the best desision I ever made.
>>30649647
Well in spec ops the line you play as Delta force
It's because of training philosophy like "every Marine is a rifleman" and "there are no special Marines".
On average, a Marine grunt is better than an Army grunt.
>>30656294
A better decision would have been learning to spell.
>>30649647
Why are mujihadeen always the bad guys?
>have incredibly retarded friend
>knew him for years
>failed out of college and too stupid for a job that isn't minimum wage
>joins the marines
>won't shut up about it now
He got upset when he saw a KFC commercial raising a KFC flag with the colonel and some chicken on it because it's disrespectful and not what he fights for or some stupid shit. He just finished boot camp.
>>30649647
Marines are respectable.
They're like orcs.
Army would be humans
Air force is pussy as elf's.
Ng are dwarfs. On account they never leave the mountain.
>>30656383
I know idiots in the Army or Guards that are just like this, too.
Let's face it: all branches of the military catch their fair share of idiots, assholes, and straight-up criminals.
They're the easiest ones to brain-wash and throw infront of bullets, they have a hard time adapting to actual society when they're discharged
>>30656757
Wow. Did you see this in a movie somewhere?
>>30650387
>>30649647
Dickwaving, dress blues
Years and years of managing to keep their branch in existence with propaganda and convincing Marines they're THE BEST OF THE BEST when at best they're on par with grunts in any other military branch
>>30651930
I have multiple times
They'd bitch, I'd call them a POG, and laugh
>>30656388
Thanks for the cringe
>>30652166
this. unless there are squids or chairforce involved.
then the ire is focused on the soft skill shitstains. Best way to dissolve inter-branch animosity.
>>30657143
>propaganda
This fucking word keeps popping up as if it's exclusive to the goddamn Marines. Have any of you ever watched a commercial for the Army of Navy, or listened to one on the radio? The Guards make it seem like you're going to be a fucking hero who saves a damsel from a natural disaster and the Navy makes it seem like you'll be monitoring nuke launches from a warship. All branches use "propaganda" and they always have.
Literally kill yourselves.
> Marines being idiots thread turned into memegame sodeep war is hell thread
Jesus fucking christ, you're all faggots
>>30656339
> A Marine grunt is better than an Army grunt
I have never seen any good reasoning for this, beyond 'lol longer initial training' which is a moot point when you consider how often Army grunts train after OSUT anyway
>>30656339
No. Casualty rates disagree. When you're 10% of the deployed force and are pushing 25% of the casualties, you're doing something wrong.
inb4 pogs gonna pog and get fucked up, which they have. Army combat arms are still a greater percentage than total marine involvement, and their rates are lower than marines.
>>30650387
Marine here. Can confirm
>>30657192
Marine propaganda
> Hurr be the best slay the dragon RAH KILL MARINES DRESS BLUES THE FEW THE PROUD
Army propaganda
> Learn some cool shit, maybe defend your country, education is good you should get that, teamwork is emphasized
Navy propaganda
> Learn some cool shit, work with cool technology
Air Force propaganda
> Learn some cool shit, work with cool technology, maybe be a pilot or something if you can
Coast Guard propaganda
> Hey we exist too we save people's lives (Which to be fair, and as much as I love mocking Coasties, they very much do)
>>30657289
This
Marines are fucking idiots, that's just how it is
>>30651913
Never heard that one before
>>30657229
I can't speak on behalf of Army infantry training, and I don't claim that one is better than the other, but I can speak on behalf of Marine infantry training.
So, of course you get the 13 week boot-camp. After that, grunts attend the School of Infantry for about 8 weeks. During SOI you get training on various weapons platforms and start doing night shoots with NVGs. It is also where you'll be separated into your actual infantry MOS. After SOI, you're sent to whatever battalion you're stationed with. As a grunt, you'll basically be out in the field training every other week. This involves sleeping out there for 5-7 days and going through various training exercises from mobile operations to demolition, basic rifle exercises to live killhouse scenarios. This goes on until your first deployment. While on deployment, it basically doesn't change much. You'll continue to train however (or whenever) you can, and it usually is even more frequent than in garrison. After deployment it's rinse and repeat.
>>30657371
That's how the Army is with our 14 week OSUT
We do basic shit for 8 weeks as BCT, then move on to our AIT portion of OSUT, which is just teaching us Infantry shit where we do the same shit as you, and then in garrison we train train train (with healthy dose of janitorial duties, thanks peace time) and get to do fun shit once in awhile
And plus, we can go to a shit load of schools and qualify for a lot of things Marines don't normally get to do
>>30657302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ysBQ5OxFLk
>>30657410
>we can go to a shit load of schools and qualify for a lot of things Marines don't normally get to do
Such as?
Aren't paratroopers the elite of the US?
>>30657673
yeah we send in the 82nd whenever we need some ass to kick. They're the elite airborne division, cream of the crop.
>>30657673
The US has a million 'elites'. They've got a lot of pseudo-specialisation with their grunt plus and grunt plus plus soldiers.
>>30653918
The point of the game WAS to make you feel bad for playing it. The game straight up tells you that you could have just stopped playing instead of killing everyone. Hence the "If you were a better person you wouldn't be here."
It's supposed to draw attention to the violence and slaughter in games like CoD or something, shit idk senpai.
>>30650387
>>30650387
>>30651966
>How are you operating this computer?
While on a boat. Obviously.
>>30650387
ho-le-shit.
>>30657673
>>30657692
>82nd
>ever elite
Paratroopers are just Infantry that hate their lives more
>>30650074
This.
They are the go here and die unit. But that's a tough sale. So you gotta jazz up the pitch
A marine, a vegan, and a cross fitter walk into a bar.
I know this because they each announce it as they enter
>>30657673
Paratroopers are the best example why elite =/= automatically better.
They may be trained for a very specific type of mission, but outside of that type of mission you're better off just using regular infantry.
>>30654832
dumbest analogy ever
heart of darkness was an exposition, not a finger wagging tale that taunted its readers for picking it up
>>30657289
that might be true only if they're exposed to the same risk of casualty. I don't know shit about it but I'm willing to guess that different branches do not undertake the same tasks in the same environment with the same inherent risks.
>>30657289
>Gee, why is the cannon fodder branch making up a large chunk of the casualties?
Are you an actual retard, son?
>>30657963
>Crossfitter has use of legs
They were lying.
>>30657963
Twelve dicks enter your mom.
I know this because I'm one of them.
>>30651386
You're actually fighting yourself.
>>30649647
marine infantry here. I hate it, im probably the least fucking gung ho person there. But watching army do the most basic of shit like hike or pt or do mout they dick everything up. We dick everything up but when I see other armies usually no one gives a fuck and they operate like garbage. I feel like everyone is really garbage but were slightly less garbage. Like basic logistics get so fucked up and were visibly more organized than most other armies I see and that scares me deeply
>>30660471
why would the marines being more organized than other armies scare you?
Military Intelligence...
two words combined that can't make sense.
>>30660712
being at the bottom you see how chaotic and disorganized an organized military is so I would hate my life more if I was in some second world military
>>30660471
>>30660881
When I was in Saudi Arabia we did some joint-training with the Saudi Army. You want to know how they got on target with crew-served machine guns? They started shooting at the ground about 5 ft in front of them and worked their way up to the target. It scared the shit out us the first time.
>>30649647
keeps the dumb kids joining. they think they'll be ninja snipers if they join the marines. but they end up being cannon fodder
>>30650074
You say tomato, I say you're a pussy.
>>30657673
The elite of the US military are the people you don't hear about.
>>30662547
Exactly. I don't know why all this dickswinging is going on between branches that are truly equally shitty.
>>30662839
>he can't understand the bantz
>>30650387
...
F-fuck you.
>>30650387
...
F-f-fuck you.
>>30657710
>Telling you you're a bad person for playing their game
>The game they need to sell copies of to keep from going bankrupted and are absolutely forced to do shitty things in
That kind of "2deep4u" shit only works if the player actually has a choice, even fucking Undertale (meme game as it is) at least spares it's "you're a piece of shit" thing if you actually choose to kill things you don't have to.
>>30649647
Jew brainwashing
>>30656383
>He got upset when he saw a KFC commercial raising a KFC flag with the colonel and some chicken on it because it's disrespectful and not what he fights for or some stupid shit. He just finished boot camp.
Hahahaha
That's exactly what he fights for! Our freedoms to be stupid and retarded every single fucking American day.
>>30649714
>merely pretending
>>30655033
They literally both do the same thing, the marines just get less funding and a superiority complex.
>>30649647
>when in reality they are the lowest tier in the military
they are not the lowest. they are normal soldiers but they often speahead landing operations so why not let them think that they are special snowflakes?
>>30656294
>internet sucked in 2004
just kill yourself man
>>30649647
>lowest tier in the military?
I think you mean NG or maybe AF security.
![epPqGQH[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DodkmOd.jpg "epPqGQH[1].jpg")
>>30665638
Don't know about the US, but adgies in Aus seem fairly operator
>tfw not american
>will never be a marine and shoot hadjis while screaming get some
>>30654142
Orrrrrrrrrr you could not be a pussy and enjoy the ride. Not every bit of media needs to suck your dick and make you feel good. People like exploring various emotions. So go play Call of Duty and feel smugly superior because you "realize" that it's all fake. I pity your inability to explore different ideas.
>>30660822
1v1 me irl m8
>>30657934
The few (because they die so fast)
The proud (because they seem to enjoy that fact)
The Muhreens (God bless America)
>>30649702
>>30649663
What happened?
>>30654220
you completely miss the point, but you are probably just a nobrains /k/ who knows nothing about anything but muh gun shoot. the whole point isnt to criticize you for forced choices, the whole point is watching the main character losing his sanity. its like a story. its too bad you aren't smart enough to even comprehend that though.
