https://www.rt.com/news/351606-usa-incirlik-base-turkey-blocked/
Can airfags fight?
Or are they about to get shreked? If they get overrun imagine their fat personnelists getting beaten too.
This will be the one time the Air Force gets to actual engage in a gunfight.
What aircraft are at the base and how many US airforce personal?
I had a quick look but I couldn't find a list of aircraft stationed there.
Implying this could stop anything
Those nukes belong to Islam now
>>30642961
They can and will.
HEEMening incoming.
Islam will possess those nukes and Airfags will get embarrassed on the international stage.
Jarhead here,
Much to my dismay, Air Force Security Forces are some of the most disciplined and well trained folks I've encountered. They get zero prestige because they're Air Force and they get terrible hand me down equipment from the Army because they're Air Force. I really enjoyed working alongside them in JBAB and sorely hope enemies continue to underestimate what they are capable of.
Good, USAF blows.
>>30643014
>What aircraft are at the base
Lots of KC-135s normally but there's often other stuff like A-10s, F-16s, F-15s, MQ-1/MQ-9 especially with the operations going on in Syria
Air Force security is actually really well disciplined and well trained.
Not to mention, if the roaches even look at that air base in a manner that displeases the US, they will feel the fucking hammer of god come down on their asses.
Can't they get any other air force personnel to pull security patrols? don't they all get firearms training at basic training?
It would make no sense for the Turks to try to take the base and ruin the trust Obama gave them last night by siding with the Government.
There were rumors that there were American tankers refueling planes without knowing which side they belonged to.
The base lock down just seems to be to make sure there's no coup elements there trying to enter/ escape or tamper with the nuclear weapons. Now that the coup has clearly failed (Unfortunately), people involved are trying to save their own asses and may try to use aircraft to flee.
>>30643053
When you manage to lift up the hammer of god it will be already too late.
>>30643020
>Those nukes belong to Islam now
They might as well be boulders for all the use that they could get out of them.
Isn't 50% of the entire U.S. Air Force security forces?
>>30643043
ISIS Predator strikes on NATO soil when?
Will that be enough to incite more hand-on nato action?
>>30642961
There are also a bunch of German Tornados and about 250 Luftwaffe personnel at the base.
It is primarily shared by the USAF and TuAF though. And I doubt there is anything that can be done to stop Turkish forces moving on the base that is operated by the Turkish military
>>30643067
No, it won't be. The United States can be anywhere in the world delivering a metric fuck ton of rape within a few hours. They've had plenty of time to prepare for this.
>>30643065
Depends if Erdogan thinks the US was behind it.
After reading the article it seems that they just want to be sure that the US isn't caught up in the confusion. Other articles have stated that the coup leader was an air force general and with the lock down in place people might assume American war planes are actually Turkish rebel ones.
>>30643073
Fellow Russianbro, here. This is exciting.
>>30643068
>They might as well be boulders for all the use that they could get out of them.
Could they remove the cores and repurpose them?
>>30643072
Yes.
>>30643079
>implying Erdogan hasn't coordinated the whole thing himself to purge the military and "burn the Reichstag"
>>30643092
They could turn them into sevral small dirty HE bombs. No nuclear reaction but the contamination would be horrible enough
>>30643062
Basic Training is intended to ensure everyone knows ranks, how to March, how to make a formation, how to piss without getting it on your hands, so on. The follow on schools are where you'll get more in depth knowledge about your job. Some Air Force personnel only ever get the 1 week of warrior skills and rarely if ever touch a rifle again. The security forces dudes get hazed with ruck marches and combat training and no one ever hears about it. Pretty rad.
>>30643077
Noo, no. The nearest carrier group is in Persian Gulf.
And you can send MEU against afghan peasants.
>>30643072
>Talking about SecFo. Posts SERE Specialist.
>>30643079
My opinion is starting to become that Erdogan was behind it.
He knows people in the military were against him and he started the coup against himself so that he could crush it and be seen as a hero by his supporters. As soon as things kicked off, Mosques started blaring pro-Erdogan propaganda from their speakers, making calls to prayer, etc. He urged his supporters to defy the mlitary's curfew and martial law, and the military did very little to stop them.
Now a bunch of officers and judges that were probably not even involved have been arrested. the whole thing was an entrapment and justification for military purges and more presidential power.
>>30643092
Sure.
They could design a new nuclear weapon to use them in. That would take year or more.
Or they could make a dirty bomb.
>>30643068
Replacing the firing circuit can't be too difficult a job.
I always imagine PALs as a system that slows down unauthorised users rather than stops them, sort of like a safe and a thief.
>implying anything will happen
>Air Force
Why are they so pissy?
>>30643040
>Air Force Security Forces are some of the most disciplined and well trained folks I've encountered.
>>30643134
Better representation of the Air Force.
>>30643132
>Replacing the firing circuit can't be too difficult a job.
It is. Unless they can get it to PANTEX or LANL, trying to do that will render the weapon inoperable.
>I always imagine PALs as a system that slows down unauthorised users rather than stops them, sort of like a safe and a thief.
The systems that prevent unauthorized use are pretty foolproof.
>>30643133
The /k/ube demands /k/ombat
>>30643123
There was a pro-Erdogan guy on the BBC last night who was practically reading the playbook for how last night's events turned out, before they happened.
He was identifying this specific cleric who is in the US before there was any official statement from Erdogan or even any clear idea of who the military units participating in the coup were, and said (with complete confidence) that Erdogan would be flying in that very night to rally his supporters
If they really feel there is a threat to the nukes. They'll load them up and fly them out. The Turks won't be able to stop them either. Because the US military will scramble a ton of air cover.
>>30643040
(you)
>>30643134
Theoretically if Turkish military backed by armor starts trying to take the base, what can the USA get to there within 24hr?
Does the airforce keep enough weapons to hold out against another military? Or do they just have basic anti infantry weapons?
>>30642961
Isn't that the base where the nuke warheads are kept?
>>30643173
That in unless the "nukes" there aren't just inert fakes meant to scare Ivan & Co from doing something stupid
Why do we even have nukes stored in Turkey in the first place?
>>30643180
Maybe the base would be lost, but Turkey would be crushed in a matter of days
And they could always pull that "on my position" shit with their tactical nukes
>>30643207
Because NATO & Ivan dickwaving contest
>>30643190
they'll still have to fly them out, to maintain the illusion.
>>30643180
with mid air refueling. the US military could have Predators and manned strike fighters there in an hour.
173rd Airborne Brigade is over in Italy. They could be there in a day.
Turkey moving on the base would be bad business. As that would probably get them kicked out of NATO and sanctioned. Not to mention the ass pounding they would receive as we rescue our military forces in country.
Supposedly the power to the base has already been cut.
>>30643040
t. lying airfag
>>30643147
>The systems that prevent unauthorized use are pretty foolproof.
Unless what has been leaked about nuclear weapons design is completely wrong I can't see how it can be "pretty foolproof".
Once you're past all the equipment that recognises the cryptographic arming signals from an aircraft, all you have is a large pulse capacitor, a set of fancy blasting caps, a large solid state or vacuum tube switch to discharge the capacitor through the blasting caps, and an electronic gas valve that allows pressurised tritium to be injected into the primary.
Even if the switch is somehow unseperably integrated into the cryptographic arming unit it would still be easy to replace that and come up with a functional weapon. The blasting caps need to detonate all at once, and the logic of injecting (relatively) low pressure gas into a highly pressured primary core as it's being compressed suggests that tritium injection happens before that. This wouldn't be a difficult task, only that it would take time.
The only thing I would be worried about is some sort of fail-deadly boobytrap on the weapon going off (non-nuclear that is) as you dismantle it.
>>30643207
Same reason as Belgium and Germany and...... Greece? Back in the Cold War days, it made the host nations carry some skin in the game of nuclear deterrence/tactical nuclear use in war. Can't go crying to momma US and ask them to B61 a Soviet bridgehead across the Weser and then afterwards say "Wow, we had nothing to do with that..."
>>30642961
From the reports one KC-135 operating from Incirlik was used to refuel coup F-16s so Turks are probably putting the base on lock down until hostile elements are routed out.
>>30643221
Cont
I'm going to assume I won't get anything out of you other than the official response given you've signed the government NDAs
>>30643065
My theory is that Ergogan found out about the coup and that's why they had to act so quick and now he's super paranoid and is flipping shit over everything
>>30643218
>shield
Nest of beauties in position.
>>30643220
This. No one respects an airfag. The only good thing they had was their females were willing to suck the dick of every soldier back at Bagram. What a bunch of champions.
>>30642961
Maybe Erdogan is trying to hold the nukes as leverage in exchange for Gulen's extradition?
How would the US respond to a demand like that? Basically Erdogan holding a gun to the Middle-East (and beyond)'s head and making hostage demands?
>>30643221
>Once you're past all the equipment that recognises the cryptographic arming signals from an aircraft
Gaining access to these systems will render the bomb inoperable. Removing the systems that recognize the unique signal from the PAL will render the bomb inoperable.
>all you have is a large pulse capacitor, a set of fancy blasting caps, a large solid state or vacuum tube switch to discharge the capacitor through the blasting caps, and an electronic gas valve that allows pressurised tritium to be injected into the primary.
In the B61, the detonation sequence is very specific and timed due to the shape of the primary and the need to initiate the secondary. this sequence can not be hotwired and attempting to access the firing system will render the bomb inoperable.
Let's for arguments sake say that Turkey goes full retard and takes the base by force. What would the US/Nato do?
>>30643112
Mother was comissioned in the AF, spent six years in, never fired a live round. She got like a one hour crash course on how an M9 worked, and then basically got told to hide behind security force guys if anything bad actually happened. So 6 years in, she touched an M9 for less than an hour and never shot it.
>>30643264
Beg Russia to save them. LOL
>>30643264
I'd imagine they'd make an ultimatum for Turkish forces to pull out of the airbase and if they didn't move some of the troops the US has in Europe to take the airbase back.
I'm interested in how Putin would react, actually. What does he dislike more; America or Turkey?
Navyfag here, these Air Force guys are some of the fittest and well-trained personnel I ever served with. I am here at Centcom and although turkey is part of USEUCOM, I wont doubt them being not involved if shit were to arise.
>>30643254
Nuked Turkey.
>Turkish military finally has enough of Erdogan and his pro islamic laws and letting ISIS and refugees through
>starts a coup and managed to take back control of Turkey and got Erdogan out of the country removing his power role
>the country Turkey is now starting to eliminate kebabs and Islamic extremists and both ISIS and refugees are now unable to go through Turkey to Europe now
>U.S. doesn't like Turkey having freedom finally and doesn't like Turkey fighting against the tyrant Erdogan so they go after Turkey and retaking the country back to the tyrant
>everyone in this thread is supporting Erdogan and Turkey to return to being what it was before the coup
I fucking hate this place more than /pol/ and I hate /pol/ as well.
>>30643260
All accurate. These bombs would never be used as B61's without our consent. However, they could be ripped apart and re-built with a new firing mechanism. If this was done, I doubt they would remain fusion weapons, but would become fission weapons for simplicity. Our thermonuclear cores have really complex geometry and are not something you could just modify a bit and make work.
And you'd probably need quite a while to make this all happen.
>>30643281
>I'm interested in how Putin would react, actually. What does he dislike more; America or Turkey?
I'd see him doing a rescue for the US just for the bragging rights.
I bet the airforce personnel will surrender within a day
>>30643293
Well damn, she can surrender to me any day.
>>30643264
They use the Navy to get the nukes out or destroy them. Empty Quiver is taken seriously.
>>30642961
No. They need to get the real military (U.S. Marines) there ASAP. Every other branch is a welfare program for poor trashy people.
>>30643306
Spot the DEP warrior.
>>30643040
> t. tech sergeant
sorry you couldn't hack it in an actual military branch
>>30643264
Fort Sumter scenario, the US invades and drags NATO along with.
In light of this it's doubtful Turkey will go full retard.
>>30643244
LMFAO. those pussies are toast
>>30643290
Yes, you would need to machine new cores to go with your new weapon design.
>>30643306
We have dedicated, well-trained professionals maintaining the Navy, which has the biggest sea/air assets that most countries can only dream off. The Navy Reserves probably has enough leadership and manpower to take a small nation down. Please do not kid yourself when you call our 1.5% all volunteer Military welfare leechers. They pay their taxes, they volunteer on their off-time and are irreplaceale assets to the United States.
>>30643330
Come on, if they were fighting a real military yes, but did you forget we are talking about Turkey here? The military that lost tanks and guns to civilians screaming at them?
I heard most of them already surrendered.
>>30643293
Thicc milf.
would operate inside her/10
>>30643306
We all know that you are wearing that shitty blue poolee shirt at this very moment
>>30643344
Did your dad that works at nintendo tell you that?
>>30643297
>thinking that troll is hot
Will they cry on camera like the U.S. Navy Riverines did?
>>30643190
This is probably going to annoy Oppenheimer, but some times, when I'm really sleep deprived, I find myself wondering if ALL Nukes are actually this.
Which is crazy, I know. But it sort of amuses me.
>>30643375
China does this.
>>30643373
Seeing how this is how Turk Soldiers held up to angry mobs of noguns civilians, I'll say this will get interesting.
>>30643373
HAHAA fucking cucks. This is why the Marines need our own boats already.
>>30643180
Would the US authorize use of tac nukes to defend our stock of tac nukes?
>>30643373
Fuck small navy riverines, what ARGs are in the area so they can wreck everyone's shit?
>>30643239
Probably in the top 3 for defensive operators
>>30643408
They do have attack options for this, but is is far more likely that the US has a force of James Earl Jones clones trained to be Jedi by a George Lucas rescued from 1984 by a Timelord taking the form of Tupac ready to secure the weapons than they will use that option.
not exactly the right thread but whatever...
Can I switch from Army Reserve to Airforce Pararescue as an E-6?
>The only qual I have is Airborne and in shape
>>30643408
I don't think so, that wouldn't be to logical. Like >>30643217 said I imagine the air force will chew them out in they try anything
>>30643438
>defensive operators
No such thing
>>30643457
not sure if retarded
>>30643438
>*cough*
>>30643452
Sure, just go through the 2 years of INDOC and training retard.
>>30643471
He doesn't play your shitty Ubi game so probably not.
>>30643040
pfft.
Fucking boys couts are more disciplined than Air force security.
You're not fooling anyone here airmen.
>>30643287
Wait, did the US do something to aid Erdogan? He's a real piece of shit, and surely a more secular government is more in US interest?
>>30643448
This is how JSOC was formed.
>>30643503
DELETE THIS
>>30643287
>everyone in this thread is supporting Erdogan and Turkey to return to being what it was before the coup
I don't think a single person on this board supports Turdogan
>>30643387
When do you go to bootcamp?
>>30643323
>All those big lipped bix noods.
I honest to god believe that the turks are worth more than the genetic livestock I see in that picture in a 1v1 stand off.
TACP here. Air Force has some legitimate dudes. It's just that 99.9% of the Air Force are pencil armed fags.
>>30643485
This. My sister was a clerk at in the Marines and a fun game she played at the Pentagon was wishing other branches happy birthday every year. She said not a single air force cuck (including officers) ever knew the air forces birthday.
Boy scouts literally care 15x more about their organization
>>30643287
then fuck off
>>30643495
The rumor is that it was a US backed coup, which would make no sense because even though he is a cunt he is a US ally. He is probably an idiot who actually believes that or is using this to show everyone how big his dick is.
>>30643134
This is pretty accurate. I was in Afghanistan right out of AFSC school, and even the SNCOs are fucking awesome.
>be me
>6'4"
>trying to work on these F-16s
>which have about a foot less space under their wings than I'd like
>sweating my balls off
>tired as fuck
>there's a tap on my shoulder
>it's the MSgt in charge of the shop
>hey Senior Anon! You look tired, how about you take a break! I'll work the line a little bit, don't wanna get rusty!
That's pretty much every shop ever, so it's really weird to see Marines bitch about NCOs that don't do shit, because I've even seen SMSgts working on the line.
>>30643524
why do you care about other mens arms so much
No wonder there was an uprising in Turkey. Erdogan is depending the nation's budget on cheap 4chan shills.
>>30643239
I was more impressed by the Axe wielder.
>>30643477
Its only a year spaz. Im just wondering if they will take me because of prior service.
>>30643514
>>30643323
Their all Reservists
>>30643287
more like
>coup attempt
>Erdogan forces retake Istanbul (seat of actual Turkish power)
>coup crumbles
>Asian Turkey is a patchwork of allegiances nobody is really communicating with
>nobody knows who is in charge of what
>there are conflicting reports that rebels control Ankara
>some local politician seals of the USAF base
>we're not sure who to bomb yet
We don't even have the motives of the coup plotters yet, for all we know Erdogan could've repelled secularists or hardline ISIS sympathizers.
>turkey attacks/resists America
>thinks America will let them seize nukes
>thinks there won't be a carrier group on their front door the next day
>thinks there won't be an American flag outside the capital in the next half week
You fuckers are silly. I thought this was /k/ not /pol/
>>30643708
This. Ero is waving his dick chalk full of himself after putting down a coup. He even thinks the US had a hand in it, I mean Obama is a dumb cunt but not even he is retarded enough to fuck with Turkey.
>>30643693
considering as the military is almost entirely secular, probably the former
>>30643600
>>30643708
>implying we don't have things already on there way or already sitting off the coast.
>>30643281
Turkey is closer and has no nuclear capability.
>>30643815
I would say Turkey because they hurt his ego with shooting down his toy plane. Hell would not be surprised if he had a hand in this simply out of spite for Turkey.
>>30643776
I'm not sure why this is funny.
Not gonna happen. Erdogan tries that shit and he'll wish the coup had succeeded.
AF Security Forces can indeed fight
>Thinking the US would ever put nukes on foreign soil without precautions in place
I'd be surprised if the warheads weren't already disabled.
>>30642975
>Doesn't know about PJs
>>30643306
Enjoy having no air support or any significant IDF.
>"Hurr flying a plane isn't hard!"
>"Hurr mortars and artillery are easy!"
(You)
>>30643037
>that poor mag
Someone put it out of its misery already.
Cutting the power to Incirlik seems kind of antagonistic to an "allied" force.
>>30643134
Because people shit on them for doing their job like it doesn't mean as much.
Do you shit on your own branch for having warehouse workers? Then why shit on a highly-trained professional from a different branch just because their main contribution isn't infantry?
>"It's just banter!"
Not when you act like it's reality.
>>30643693
>we're not sure who to bomb yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBKXu3Kg4yg
>>30643115
>And you can send MEU against afghan peasants.
>Afghan peasants sitting around, chillin, killin (filthy infidels)
>Bright flash suddenly erupts over the horizon
>More MIRVs rain down, in a rolling wave of thunder towards their position
>Goat fuckers think this is it: America and Russia have teamed up to glass the entire Middle East
>Explosions stop a few miles short of them
>Radioactive dust begins to slowly clear
>Two days pass
>Brackish water begins to fill the chain of craters
>Grey mass appears in the distance, over the water
>It's several amphibious assault ships
>Full horror of the situation dawns on them:
>US Navy is willing to nuke hundreds of miles of desert just to bring a well-dock equipped vessel within range
>>30643914
kek/10, US foreign policy in a nutshell
>>30643321
bundeswehr uniforms are so aesthetically pleasing
>>30643037
>>30643872
Same with that helmet cover
>>30643323
Would it kill them to crack a smile?
>>30643115
I am sure there is absolutely no support available within this radius, like a SSGN, or a Virginia class submarine, or a DDG they are probably fucked you are right tomahawks only work at about 100-150 yards
>>30643037
>Hajis get hold of an American nuke
>Quickly discover that PALs don't fuck around when it comes to warhead tampering
>Those that aren't killed by the (subcritical) blast are killed by plutonium poisoning
"Bypassinag a PAL should be, as one weapons designer graphically put it, about as complex as performing a tonsillectomy while entering the patient from the wrong end."
>>30643293
>mfw I'm fucking an Air Force ROTC girl
>mfw she's dating an air force officer
>>30643655
No. The military fucking HATES retraining people. Maybe if you'd been a corpsman or something, but it's doubtful.
Shame, too, because PJs are fucking cool. Helicopter EMTs for Cat Alpha cases that also retain the ability to insert for rescues.
>>30643323
> All those fucked up covers
Jesus fucking Christ
>>30643306
Spotted the DEP warrior
>>30642961
Why would literal cockroaches attack the US?
Do they wish to die?
What am I missing?
>>30643373
What is this from?
>>30643872
>>30643942
That's from the SF tech school. Those vest are a giveaway.
>>30644033
>What am I missing?
A brain and personality
>>30644033
They say they want to purge all the non Islamist Turk military from the base. The US side is in FPCON DELTA. It could be possible that some of the separatists are seeking asylum with the USAF guys.
>>30644033
They think we backed a military coup or something despite it being the most pathetic shit on the planet.
Some news:
>2000 to 10 000 military arrested
>thousands of pro-secularism civilians arrested (no exact number)
>a helicopter full off coup soldiers landed in Greece seeking asylum (possibly with coup leadership?)
>over 3000 judges across all of t*rkey have been removed from office officially and arrested
>massive pro-Erdogan and pro-islamic protests/gathering planned for tonight
>Erdogan himself urged people to stay on the streets
>security forces in civilian clothes are roaming Ankara (the last bastion of the coup before all were caught/killed/surrendered) hunting for any secular dissent/gathering
>>30644089
The military tried to steer the country from going full Islamist. I hate Turkey but have to give credit where credit is due. Also several surrendering Turk soldiers were tortured and lynched.
>>30644103
>a helicopter full off coup soldiers landed in Greece seeking asylum (possibly with coup leadership?)
IIRC the passengers were a bunch of majors and captains, no big fish.
>>30644039
A boat of glorified rent-a-cops broke down in the Persian gulf and drifted into Iranian waters.
Our men might have to sacrifice themselves and detonate the nukes to save them from falling into the hands of Turkisis
>>30643839
It's funny because because SNCOs are soulless self-serving robots, not bros. A more likely story is that the MSgt wals out, sees you working, and comes over to tell you to roll your sleeves back down because you look unprofessional.
>>30644118
Turks have wanted the nukes for ages, this is their endgame.
>>30644103
>thousands of pro-secularism civilians arrested (no exact number)
>over 3000 judges across all of t*rkey have been removed from office officially and arrested
This could either be typical procedure during a military coup and the law abiding citizens will be released as cooler heads prevail, or we're going to see a shitload of people get beheaded.
>>30644118
>tortured and lynched
Proofs?
Photos?
Sources?
That's what I thought.
>>30644158
They can't use them. It's not like you can load them on to a bomb rack and use it like a standard dumb bomb.
>>30644173
See: >>30644155
>>30644173
>>30644155
>>30643040
Your daily reminder the tranny tripfag that comes around every now and then is secfo.
What was that about well disciplined again??
>>30644173
Look two posts above you faggot muslim apologist.
>>30644187
That faggot is ANG, national guard/reserves are faggots to begin with.
>>30644187
>There's faggots in every branch
Woooooooow.
You're so insightful, anon.
>>30643448
>Tupac timelord
Does he use fast rap magic?
>>30644179
thats what you think.
Turks are clever, they will clever their way into those nukes.. cleverly.
>>30644209
Wait a minute, why are we responding to tripfags that do nothing but shitpost in here?
Gtfo you fucking summerfag
>>30644173
>proofs proofs proofs..
Retard
>>30644228
Look above for Oppenheimer's insight. You need keys to use the things or cannibalize it for nuclear materials. It's almost as if every nuclear capable nation prepared for the threat of their capture. The WSA at Incirlik is a no Turk zone in a hardened bunker. If they attempt to fight to it, the USAF will have time to disable them as per protocol.
>>30643180
The Marines have FAST teams is Spain. I don't know about anything closer. I don't know how close the nearest MEU is but if the US is actually afraid of anything going down in Turkey I guarantee it plus an aircraft carrier would be traveling to the Mediterranean
You guys are over reacting as usual. Hold your worries until Russia collapses, again, for the third time, only this time it fragments and the United States will have to go in and secure as many nukes as possible. That will be fun!
Uh oh.
Airfags might want to reduce their estrogen levels and take some testosterone supplements.
Because some real men shit is about to go down.
>>30644271
Big deal, remove roach, I know many countries that will help.
>>30644267
>Mexico challenges US
>>30644264
I'm sure there is a carrier battle group closer. Also any army combatants that were transiting from incirlik can be armed up to reinforce the security police stationed there and delay an attack. They could likely scramble any fighters from an alert cell to provide a combat air patrol. Keep in mind they had at least 12 hours to prepare for this as shit was going down last night.
Air Force degenerates may face Islamic law in their final moments
Is it true that they are too womanly to fight well?
We will see.
>>30644294
>not knowing of the great corn hole tournament of 2100
>>30644271
That picture is so fitting
>>30644164
>Islamists
>cool heads
Thosr people are not seeing the light of day again.
>>30644294
That's weird, how can Mexico challenge itself?
>>30642961
Can I get a TLDR?
>>30644294
Yes, there is a reason we keep that shithole a shithole with the war on drugs, everything is done for a reason. A well organized mexico of course would challenge us. Whoever dominates North America Controls the world.
>>30644333
Turkey is in the process of making the biggest mistake in their history of big mistakes.
>>30644333
Airfags want to surrender to Islamists in Turkey. Nothing else. And not big surprise.
>>30643180
Yes but you can't do much.
USAF could bomb shit in Turkey though.
>>30644271
Pretty sure if that was true it would be going a lot better for the seps as no one likes king roach.
>>30644354
Ignore the kid in delayed entry program.
>>30644271
>Flinging shit at the country that acts as your guarantor of security.
Bravo, Turkey.
>>30644300
the max range of a tomahawk missile is 1,350 nm. also I can guarantee you every asset the US has in the area has been moving there since last night so they already have a 12hr head start. I would also bet money that they already have submarines operating in the area because of Syria
>>30644267
>Poland
>great power
Are these idiots serious?
Great powers have some cultural pull, besides military or economic strength.
Poland has nothing. Even other Slavs see them as a joke.
>>30644417
>believing an internet figure
>>30644271
>Obama says he supports the "Democratically elected government"
>Turks blame the US for coup
Wow. An actually competent President would have noticed that Erdogan and his thugs are fucking slimeballs and sided with the Constitutionalist military over the Islamists.
But the idea that "Democracy is always right" has ruined many a country because in the end the people vote to oppress non-Muslims and do away with Democracy.
>>30643384
Can you elaborate on this or point me towards a great big drafty report? I'm quite curious.
They need to bring Nutnfancy in to do a gear check on these chairforce guys.
An operator like him could fix everything
>>30644234
You're the summer, Oppenheimer is not a shitposter.
>>30644486
That statement is the most vague and PC statement a head of state can give, because it can be interpreted to support whoever wins. Notice how he never explicitly says he support's ERDOGAN'S government.
Seriously, any other president would have said the exact same fucking thing, except maybe Trump but he's Trump.
>>30644234
>Oppenheimer posting in a nuke thread
>Wait a minute, why are we responding to tripfags that do nothing but shitpost in here?
Summer as fuck
>>30644264
We got guys in Spain, Germany, Italy, England, Romania, etc. It's not gonna be hard.
>>30644234
Oppenhimer has more of right to be here than you.
He actually contributes to threads and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>30644234
Back to facebook, my man
>>30643040
Armyfag here.
I've worked with SecFor types on numerous occasions because of the regions in which I've deployed.
Four out of the five elements I worked with were so-so with occasional moments of brilliance, usually brought about because there's one or two E5 types in that SecFor element that 'get it' and give a shit enough to maintain military standards. The rest are whining females that bitch about everything and fall asleep on guard duty.
The fifth element I worked with was mostly male and they were surprisingly squared the fuck away. They were also an element that was specifically organized to guard and escort nuclear weapons. Many of them had spent time stationed in Turkey as a result.
So yes, SecFor is usually garbage. But when they guard nukes, they don't seem to accept garbage.
Of course this is just my anecdotal experience in having to liaise with them on a few occasions, which is hardly an all-inclusive understanding of SecFor.
On that note, the only time I got a speeding ticket on a goddamn fob was from a female Air Force MP. E5 type. Fuck that whore
>>30644486
Democracy and Islam have never worked.
>>30644486
Erdogan and Obama are one of the same.
How does the Incirlik base even work?
Americans and Turks both share the facilities and don't have to answer to each other whenever they want to use the airstrip, right? Or is it somehow a US-only base?
>>30642961
if the turks so much as fart in the direction of that base the Greeks are going to take back the hellispond
>the greeks can do that
>the USA won't clear the way if the turks shoot first
>>30643115
Nearest MEU WAS in the Persian Gulf. You better believe one was en route before we even heard about this Shit on the Tele.
>>30644569
>So yes, SecFor is usually garbage. But when they guard nukes, they don't seem to accept garbage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident
>Supposed to be moving dummy warhead, outdated cruise missiles to be decommissioned
>Idiots accidentally grabs two nuclear warheads
>Put them on plane without doublechecking because they're being rushed
>Pilot only checks one half of the cruise missiles, the side the nukes weren't on
>Takes off, lands at the base they're to be taken off at
>Plane sits on the runway overnight with live warheads, no armed guards watching it or anything
>HABBENING
This is why. They got their shit pushed in by the military community for it, the top Air Force brass got gutted and thrown out despite having nothing to do with it and now everyone that has anything to do with nukes is held to the highest standard possible with constant, CONSTANT evaluations.
>>30644569
Armyfag as well.
I've had about the same experiences with airmen of all types. Some of them are highly motivated professionals who take not only their job seriously but their secondary role as a warrior as well.
Others are shit.
Like every branch.
What I love is bumping into AFSOC guys.
I bumped into AFSOC guys in the midle of a US desert once, they were training with some birds in the air. Those guys were so cool.
I also think that the writing of speeding tickets in an operational environment should be done away with.
>>30644644
>base is overrun and anmericans are killed and taken captive
>war is declared
>every single country from Greece to Poland declares war on Turkey because they can
>Venice shows up just to sack and loot Instanbul
>Russia still mad about its two pilots helps
>Kurdistan becomes a thing
I think it could be fun.
>>30644628
There is a US/NATO zone and a Turk zone. They share the runway and the US has an exclusive area to keep their nukes. The USAF guys there are likely better trained and equipped than the Turks. As little the USAF takes ground defense seriously, the Turks are less professional.
>>30644664
it wasn't Security Forces pulling a nuclear weapon from storage and arming it on an aircraft, that's it's own career doing that stuff. They guard the nukes, not issue them out or load them on airplanes. That would likely be missile munitions. It's also the fault of the aircrew not knowing the weight difference between a training weapon and live ordinance.
>>30644676
PJs are what other branches wish their medical personnel could be.
>>30644234
>why are we
>hurrdurr them tripfags amirite?
fuck off with your MUH BOARD CULTURE you fuckign child, adults are discussing nukes here
>>30644697
I was saying that because of that incident EVERYONE with anything to do with nukes came under scrutiny.
>>30643457
When it comes to base defense they know what they're doing
>>30644700
I heard that PJs were substandard compared to 18Ds and their Naval equivalents. They exist solely so the USAF can claim its relevant to SOF for additional budget funds. And they don't do anything.
>>30644664
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident
>Implying that fuckups aren't a constant in the US military
>Implying that the dazzling truth of it, is that despite how fucked up the US military is, most other militaries are profoundly more fucked up.
>>30644486
>the US supporting a military coup in an islamic country is a great idea from a political point of view
>implying Obama didn't do the right thing by preventing the US from being dragged into another middle east shitfest alla Syria 2.0
this is why your opinion is worthless
>>30644740
You heard.
>>30644700
These were CCT or TACP I believe.
They had the coolest high-speed equipment.
I didn't ask, some things are best admired from a distance.
>>30644683
Just like my medieval books
>>30644740
That doesn't even make sense. 18Ds are needed to do barefoot doctor shit with their A-teams, they can't exactly sit around waiting to do casevac flights. And the SOCOM money goes to AFSOC, so it's not like USAF gets to use it for their own purposes.
>>30644700
>PJs are what other branches wish their medical personnel could be.
You mean, 80% PT-obsessed homo-erotic metrosexuals that make KC135 Gucci boys seem fashion-insensitive, with 20% chest-thumpity alphas that drive old 4wd trucks?
>>30644740
>Don't do anything
Nigger, they're literally the EMTs for US battlefields.
Someone's leg got blown off? Call the PJs.
Mass Cas? Call the PJs.
A local kid got domed? PJs.
They knowingly make themselves a target just to get your legless buddy some emergency care.
>Substandard
Because they're not trained for the same things as 18D. They're taught purely how to provide trauma care and maintain their ability to insert into hostile areas as a three-man team to render it.
Hell, SO Med Sergeants would probably call them if an injury was bad enough. Not because they're oh so much better at treating the person, but because they can get them to a hospital while administering primary care.
>>30644758
Removing a leader that is trampling the nation's constitution and assisting ISIS, and replacing him with a temporary military rule until new elections are established like in the past.
Sounds good to me.
Better than allowing Erdogan to give himself more power and implement more restrictions on criticizing him, which is the only logical path this will all take.
Nothing new for Obama though; taking the side of Islamic "Democracy" over secular governments that do not play favorites and hold stability in their nations (Like Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.).
A majority of people want to vote for Islamist policies and leaders that restrict every freedom and punish those that disagree with their viewpoint? Well better let them vote away democracy because we need to uphold democracy.
So Turkey is demanding we give him a cleric who is opposed to him who is living in Pennsylvania that he is blaming for the whole thing, saying that if we don't it's a hostile action. He is also trying to cut off a base in possession of nukes.
What happens next?
>>30644885
Obama is in office so...
we do what he says?
>>30643867
Spot the triggered airfag
>>30644103
Sources please
>>30643867
>t. "USAF """"SF""""
>>30644872
>EMTs
Ohh, ahh.
68Ws and HMs do the same thing without pretending they are SOF. No element of the USAF is SOF.
>>30644990
>implying 68Ws and HMs are MFF qualified and have water skills
>>30643125
Wouldn't take long to produce some crude fission bombs
I'd say 2 months tops
Add some tritium and you got a fusion bomb
>>30644990
>>30643079
erdogan is blaming the US and a muslim cleric based in pennsylvania that has strong ties in the turkish government and is a donor to hillary clinton.
soooooo......
>>30644664
>Nothing happened at all
>Nothing COULD possibly have happened
end of the fucking world huh
>>30645020
Are kidding?
>>30645068
Does this cleric have a name? Is he Voldemort?
>>30644990
>Corpsman and 68s can administer a chest dart inside a speeding helicopter
>Corpsman and 68s have the willpower to not move from a single room for twelve hours a day, waiting for a call where they're required to deal with the worst battlefield injuries a person can receive
>Corpsman and 68s have to do this for four months, every day, without a break
>While also retaining the ability to rescue and provide aid for downed pilots
>>30645074
The point is more that nobody even knew they had nuclear weapons missing until someone recognized the markings, and those weapons were flown over civilian homes and cities because multiple people failed horribly at their job.
>>30645101
Gulen.
>>30645109
ok? Expect there is no way for anyone to deliberately or accidentally set off those nukes
Even if they fell off the plane, nothing would have happened
It travelled from airforce base to airforce base
The lesson here isn't that we need to have ridiculous security around nukes
The lesson is that they need to modernize their korean war era equipment
And really this incident was more than likely a staged incident, to provide a justification for a high level purge of the air force.
>>30644262
>>30643338
If they can get their hands on the bombs, disabled or not, then there's nothing that would prevent them from cannibalizing the materials from them. Whether the safety protocol calls to destroy the electronics or controlledly blow the bombs without causing actual nuclear explosion, the tech needed to harvest the materials for a new functioning weapon is just hammer and chisel-tier or a bucket and a geiger counter. After that, the chunks can just be melted into pairs of subcritical lumps, which in turn can be assembled into simple gun type fission devices.
Anyone who didn't sleep during their high school physics lessons would know this, and would be able to do the needed basic level calculations to get the nuclear physics side of a bomb working
>>30642975
Lol yeah it's not like PJ, TACP, CCT etc are things. And SF doesn't go on convoys or anything, at all.
>>30644234
Seriously tho senpai, the quickest way to show you're new to /k/ is to think Opp is just another tripfag.
Why would USA not have tier 1 assets on a turkish base that houses nukes?
Do you think it's just chair force people who can't fight? If so the USA is utterly retarded
I'd hope they base delta / rangers etc in any base with nukes.
>Turkey
>Invading a NATO airbase
For one, the chair force wouldn't have to fight because there are already NATO soldiers there already.
For two, There is no fucking way Turkey is going to attack a US airbase. It's pure speculation.
Turkey just got done axing all of their military's top generals, and people seriously think they're going to declare war on NATO right now at this moment? No. Ergogan isn't that fucking stupid. Even if the US itself was the one that prodded the coup, he has to know his military and his police force are far too weak at this point to defend his country.
Sending civvies into the streets with their cell phones only works if the opposing force isn't intent on killing you personally. Jets and Air superiority fighters don't have feelings and don't see the poor crying faces of the people standing outside of parliament while they are blowing up parliament.
>>30645522
There are alot of nukes our there, and not alot of Teir-1 assets... Also you dont put fucking Rangers to guard nukes, you put specalists who are trained to guard nuke, to guard nukes. You act like we're just leaving them in the open with no security...
>>30644644
The greeks can sure as fuck do that now because he has essentially dismantled his army. And sent everyone except the most die-hard loyalists home or to prison.
>>30645535
well obv
my point was they should have intense assets in a Turkish base that houses nukes. It's just common sense that every fucking "technician" should be a trained killer at a base like that.
>>30643040
> I really enjoyed working alongside them in JBAB
>JBAB
Fucking gross. Curse this area's traffic
>Another bitch-about-the-air-force thread
Guys
The base itself isn't guarded by the air force, it's fucking NATO.
And Turkey isn't going to attack NATO troops.
It's just /pol/ habbeno mongering. They probably imposed the no-fly-zone and the power shutoff because they're missing some MANPADs or SAMs from their inventories and feel that having allied aircraft up at this time when they can't even get their own shit together is a poor idea.
>>30643221
the detonation of the explosives has to be timed correctly to the millisecond based on the unique properties of the core. You cant just hotwire the thing like an 85 buick.
further, its likely that all of the weapons have already been rendered useless.
>just finished tech school, moving to Incrick next week
>sponsor won't answer my calls and the DSN is down
>nobody stateside knows what to do
>mfw
>>30642961
How does /k/ feel about fighter pilots?
>>30643283
i bet that sign is ignored constantly
>>30645473
>Anyone who didn't sleep during their high school physics lessons would know this, and would be able to do the needed basic level calculations to get the nuclear physics side of a bomb working
Because the B61 uses HEU, a gun type device would fizzile. Without actually going through a design process, you wouldn't even know if your gun type device would produce a yield more than a few tons.
