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Post your current home defense shotgun that you have ready at the drop of a hat.
>>30638983
OP here, although this shotgun has the 20" barrel, I feel the 2 extra shells will make a difference in a HD defense situation. /k/ agrees?
>>30639031
I don't think there will ever be a situation where you'll think you have too much ammo
![Nomad_pistolvariants[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TdgprZZ.jpg "Nomad_pistolvariants[1].jpg")
My ideal HD shotgun would be a 20 gauge O/U SBS with an unaltered stock like top pic. Compact and maneuverable and unfuckupable action. Maybe one day I'll go through all the NFA paperwork and tax bullshit to actually acquire one. Load it with #4 buckshot and gtg.
From previous ATF thread, it's my benneli Nova pump 12 gauge. Sits with 4 in the tube and the action open so if a retard touches it won't immediately blow a hole in my ceiling.
>>30639554
>cigarettes
Before worrying about home invaders, maybe you should do something about the impending threat of lung cancer.
My KSG with one tube of 00 buckshot and one tube of Hexolit32
Old cop car shotgun that was never used much. Not my image.
>>30638983
>shotgun
>home defense
dude it's not 1985
>>30642030
>1-2 soft, unarmored target/s in close quarters
Why is a shotgun bad? I'd prefer a rifle because idgaf about penetration but a shotgun will do just fine.
>>30641791
Is there something wrong with me if I want one of these but with a single tube and single barrel?
I mean I understand that you have the option of more ammo, but it just seems like more hassle and too complicated and adds cost to something that I find personally unnecessary.
I don't have a picture of it atm.
IAC hawk 982 12g (Chinese 870)
Sling added plus 4 round side saddle and 5 round stock sleeve.
5 in the tube makes 14 total. I keep the chamber empty and the safety off so just have to rack it and pull the trigger.
Gun is heavy as fuck. Solid steel. I like it that way. Makes it easy to use as a club and keeps recoil low. All rounds are pdx1 duplex shells.
>>30642164
I got a chinese 870 too! It's an H&R Pardner pump, bought it used and the previous owner chopped the barrel to 16 inches. It's a fucking tank and always works.
>>30638983
heck of a shotgun
>>30642191
The pardner and 982 are literally the same gun sold by different companies. Your gun is exactly like mine except mine has ghost rings.
I really have nothing bad to say about it. My dad gave it to me as my first firearm. Has never jammed. Action is smooth if a little loud. Handles 3 inch mag just fine. Excellent gun considering is from commie town.
>>30642191
>16 inches
oh shi-
>>30642207
Hell yeah I love em.. They're tanks like I said super sturdy.
>>30642044
>1-2
Oh you know this? Only one to 2?
Also, because 1 to 2 means you have 4-8 shots per person, with a rifle you get around 30, usually.
>>30638983
This is one of my home defense guns. Honestly the 870 has some obvious QC issues and I will probably sell it in the future for a 590a1. My other home defense gun is my BCM Midlength
>>30642191
Did he chop it down to 16 inches or 18 inches?
>>30639426
Why a 20?
I use my Galil for HD though.
I don't need a 19th century design for home defense, I have an AR-15 for home defense.
>>30642507
>critical defense
My nigga
>>30642833
>>30642833
That's nice. How about you go to /arg/ and talk about it there
>>30642822
A sawn off o/u would probably have significant recoil with how light it would be. 20g would probably help alleviate that
>>30642191
<3 my pardner
My first gun.
Got it a few days ago.
>>30643484
>new remington
You fucked up.
>>30643500
Why's that?
Does anyone know if this will work? Combining recoil pads with more recoil pads? Im 6'5 so the additional length is no problem.
Also what does "LOP" mean in terms of recoil pads? They are throwing these acronyms around like everyone is already supposed to know this stuff. "Length of pull" maybe? What does that mean?
>>30643536
I mean, other than the fact that you need to buy bigger pads each time you want to increase length, I guess it would work. You'll just look incredibly retarded.
>>30643536
The only issue is that if you have enough recoil pads eventually you'll have negative recoil and you'll have to prevent the gun from recoiling forward.
>>30639426
That's stupid and you're stupid. Coming from a guy who has one.
my mossman 500
>>30643484
Grats, solid first gun, does a lot of things.
>>30643518
Fudds claim new Remington 870s have big quality control issues. This is mostly butthurt asspainery. Meanwhile, 590s are recommended left and right and pretty much everything Mossberg ever created is a crapshoot of unequal quality.
>>30643807
>uses Fudd wrong like a faggot
>doesn't know about the complete lack of quality control at post-Freedom Group Remington and new 870 Expresses rusting very easily
Yeah nah fuck off you retard. You're obviously mad you bought a shitty new 870 and are having buyers remorse.
>>30639426
Move to Canada. If it's:
- 26"+ overall length
- not both centerfire & semiauto
- not on the prohibitted or restricted lists
- came from the factory with the barrel less than 18"
then we don't give a fuck. About $180 maplebucks for turkshit, more if you want better quality.
>>30643791
>>30643807
Thinking of picking up my first (new) pistol today.
Thinking about a cz 75 sp-01.
>>30643807
They do. I posted mine above with the Hornady buckshot. First time I took it out a couple years ago I had multiple failures to extract. Also, when I took off the factory stock to replace it with the magpul one I found rust on the back of the receiver where you screw in the stock bolt, which is surprising considering the gun has spent most of its life in my bedroom. I believe quality went down when Remington was bought by Freedom Group in I think 2007.
>>30643910
I had no failures when shooting it this week. Haven't put too much through it yet so we'll see.
Thinking about changing the stock to something adjustable so we'll see if I'm all rusted up.
>>30643910
I had failures to extract as well. It's basically inexcusable in a pump; their QC is so shitty that there's literally burrs on the inside of the chamber that prevent extraction after the shell is fired/the shell expands a little.
My 870 is fully coated in factory camo so it doesn't rust but my 597 rusts like a motherfucker. I love the guns but yeah a little QC/effort would be amazing.
>>30642212
Rip doggo
>>30642069
Yes there is something wrong with you
>>30642069
Get a bullpup kit for an 870 or 500 then.
oh woops, I forgot it said shotgun
which shotguns have detachable tube magazines? I only know of the SRM
..actually, what weapons (just in general) have detachable tube mags? Why were they not invented back when everyone was using lever guns?
>>30643536
You are correct, LOP = Length of Pull.
You could stack recoil pads but I'd worry about durability and stability. One technique I've heard of for rifles but have not tried on shotguns is to push the gun forward with your support hand while pulling with your trigger hand instead of just pulling into you shoulder. It sounds retarded but some people swear by it.
>>30643606
Okay, you're right. I want it purely for cool factor. It's at once nostalgically fuddy and urban gangster at the same time.
>>30644126
- Additional manufacturing costs.
- Additional point of failure.
- Tubazines are heavy and awkward compared to loose ammo which can be stored on a belt.
- Not THAT much faster than topping up during lulls in fighting.
- Inability to load secondary ammo types on the fly without dropping whole tube.
I think they are neat but it's a solution in search of a problem.
>shotgun
What if the enemy is farther than a a few feet? also outside videogames shotguns don't do that much damage, i recomment a revolver.
>>30644369
How big is your fucking house where rifle vs shotgun is a legit concern?
>>30644123
>falling for the AR-15 meme
Jesus Christ kys
>>30644369
>outside video games shotguns do do much damage
Nice bait. On the off chance you're serious Google shotgun slug wound or shotgun buckshot wound. I'll wait.
>>30641776
Cigarrettes do not cause lung cancer. That is a government/pharma lie.
I have an AR-15 and I'd still prefer my shotgun for any HD scenario. 9 copper plated pellets of 00buck, with 7 round capacity = 63 rounds total.
Also i have a new remington 870, tactical like >>30643484, minus the shitty XS Ghost ring. I've never had a single problem and i have like 2000 rounds through this damn gun. Might be because i immediately swapped out the extractor with a machined one ($15), and wapped the trigger group with the 870Police ($100). No rust, no issues whatsoever, ever.
>>30644608
What if there's someone outside my house? i live in the woods.
I could also be rich and have a huge house, a man can dream.
>>30644612
>everything i don't like is bait
>those wounds as as bad as the gibs in vydia
k
>>30644652
Sounds like some premium tier denial. But you're right, all those independent studies across the world are all shilling for...not smoking? Nicotine patches?
>>30644704
Not the original guy who you're replying to, but umm you never shot a shotgun in real life have you? Buckshot is effective at 100yards, slugs you can get away with 300yards if you are good. Also, buckshot to an unarmored target is more devestating than any rifle under .50bmg.
>>30644704
Okay someone is outside your house. Unless their breaking in to vehicles or stealing stuff (which means they probably pretty fucking close to your house) there is no need to do anything besides call the police and watch them. If they are stealing stuff they are probably close enough to the house for a rifle not to matter
>>30643878
You guys have access to some surprisingly nifty guns. Video is a review of the Ricol 14. For a purpose built SBS, quality is top notch. Kekd at 6:40.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FjDyIfcEH8
Get on my level plebs.
>>30644802
Thats fucking disgusting
>>30644704
>What if there's someone outside my house? i live in the woods.
This is why I have my AR-15 for HD. There's not a huge benefit inside the house but I live on a lot of land I like being able to hit the far treeline (300 yards away) from my window. Not for humans, but for predators or whatever. It's nice to have a go-to gun for everything from HD to "there's a raccoon fucking up my garden 100 yards away".
>>30644189
Pushing forward on high recoil weapon, potentially creating a gap between stock and shoulder.
>Lolno, pull into shoulder as hard as you can, less free recoil before shoulder impact.
>>30644843
Don't be mad that I'm glorious.
>>30638983
here are my "home defense" guns that are always ready at a moments notice. Glock is most likely to be grabbed, followed by the mossy, then lastly the 6920 if the world is ending.
>>30643536
LOP is distance from the butt to the trigger. It really just means how far back your face rests on the stock when the gun is properly shouldered. Normally a gun has a correct LOP if your face sits about 1.5-2" away from your thumb.
>>30644843
>Thats fucking disgusting
why
>>30644922
Imagine the weight on that fucking thing, and tell me in what situation will anon ever use all those attachments. My shotgun is almost bare bones and weighs 9lbs fullyloaded
>>30644843
At least it doesnt have a "breaching" barrel.
>>30643878
/K/, I have a question.
Why do I always lose it at "Maplebucks"?
>>30644882
You got it all backwards. A long gun should be the first one to grab, with the pistol as your backup should your long gun run dry.
>>30638983
I hope you have access to electronic hearing protection at the drop of a hat too
>>30644955
Whut now son?
>>30645206
Fully load the magazine, with one in the chamber, plus load up the shell holder on the side. Then weigh it again faggot. I hikes for miles with my 9lb shotgun. And my back fucking ached by the end of the trip.
Posting my HD scattergat.
>Hurr why would you use a shotgun use an AR
Because if I have to use a gun, I'd not worry as much about police mis-handling my Mossberg.
I do not, however, want their mitts on my more valuable guns.
>>30644802
Very nice.
>>30644988
Because syrupdollars has too many syllables.
KSG.
It's short.
>>30643536
Id swear by it mate.
Winchester Model 12
>>30642392
More than 2 is incredibally rare, and 4 rounds of 12 gauge is enough to kill any fucker.
Should I be pulling hard on my slide before I fire so when I fire the slide releases down hard and it automatically ejects?
Does anyone have a suggestion for a home defense shotty shooty that meets the requirements of:
comfortably operable by stubby manlet/womanlet arms (for reference, I use my AR on second to shortest notch with a magpul stock)
under $600 (way under, actually...)
large capacity
I was thinking of going Saiga.
>>30645967
>way under $600
>saiga
Lol no
>>30644652
For what purpose would they lie about that?
>>30646002
The DDI-12 is coming out soon, might be a replacement for the now rare cheap saigas
>>30646046
Not for that cheap.
>>30646046
>The DDI-12 is coming out soon
It's been out for months now. Vepr12 is still better.
>>30645967
I'm a manlet and my SXP has a 13 3/4'' LOP. I handle it just fine, so you should be good with a similar LOP.
>>30641776
>1776
well, i guess i cant argue with george washington himself
>>30642507
Like what?
>>30645967
>>30646393
>manlet
Just kill yourself already
>>30644652
lol enjoy your early death as a pathetic, tube-filled burden to your family.
>>30644369
>also outside videogames shotguns don't do that much damage
A common misconception caused by an overabundance of Fudds protecting their homes with #4 birdshot. A slug or 00 buckshot will do plenty of damage.
>>30644652
Breathing in any kind of ash (tobacco, marijuana, firewood, coal, whatever) is hard on the lungs because it mixes with natural moisture present and forms an acidic paste. It also clogs the tiny alveoli that absorb oxygen.
Severe lung damage is not 100% guaranteed to cause cancer but it usually does, along with a host of other nasty, chronic conditions.
>>30646624
t. self hating manlet
Home defense shotguns are a fucking meme. I swear the only reason you faggots push this shit is because of some fetish for the big thick shells and pumping.
>>30647011
Bait
>>30647011
Kill yourself, My man. Please do so, quite hastly if you can.
>>30647021
Tell me why you would use a shotgun over an AR-15 for home defense?
>>30638983
My adorable Ithaca
>>30647094
California mag capacity bullshit as well as no easy way to detach, it's not a scary salt rifle and tbhfam one shot of 3" magnum buck is going to be pretty fucking devastating and someone is unlikely to take that hit and keep going y know?
I don't train for a one stop shot but I realize it's possible
>>30647094
Not him but I'm way more comfortable with shotguns. Grew up around them and my 870 is the most natural feeling gun I've ever used, it's like an extension of my body.
I can do well with my AR but it doesn't feel the same way at all. It's second nature but it's not "extension of my body" tier.
>>30647172
>>30647094
Let's put it like this, if I were in a free state id have a pistol AR w/ a light and one of those 60 round drum magpul mags on it
>>30639031
The 20" barrel also makes it heavier on the front and less agile around corners. I think the ideal, budget pump action shotgun for HD is a 6 shot 18.5"er with a side saddle and light. Even 18.5" feels stupid long in my house. A 10.5" SBR would probably be best to be frank.
Just got this as a gift, can anyone tell me what I got?
>>30647230
An expensive gun, there are no O/Us under $500 ANYWHERE
>>30647248
More pics coming, have to edit them to make them smaller
Anyone know of a good, cheap (preferably <$600) magazine fed saiga style shotgun? I think those things are cool as fuck and really want one.
>>30647248
>>30647248
Who is zoli?
>>30644992
Not really. Most likely will be in very tight quarters given my house setup... a long gun can very easily get wrestled away or grabbed. You aren't grabbing my glock without eating a few rounds first.
Additionally, If a gun could get wrestled away and I had to choose a long gun, then I'm going to chose the one that will make the biggest hole if only one shot hits the target.
More pics
>>30647400
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>>30647407
While not a shotgun in the technical eyes of the law, it still pulls HD duty because of reasons. Makes me happy.
>>30647434
I'll give you about tree fidy for it
>>30647434
Last one, also does anyone know the name of the site where I can look up the serial number and find the history
>>30646934
>implying
i'm 6'4, keep projecting loser
![flat,800x800,075,f.u2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2wA8k0a.jpg "flat,800x800,075,f.u2[1].jpg")
>>30647502
>>30644955
a flashlight and a site?
>>30644955
>all those attachments
>flashlight = its dark and I want to see
>grip = my hand would go there anyways
>sight = you have to aim even though its a shotgun
>>30645206
>those three plastic things make the gun too heavy for my weak arms
kys
>>30645277
>>30647730
oops, wrong person
>>30647451
http://www.zoli.it/index_usa.php
literally googled the name on the side, second result.
>>30647141
that's beautiful man, i've got a thing for wood on shotguns but god damn.
>>30647771
Once went to a gunsmith with a room filled with shotguns, none under 3 grand. And apparently they sell these guns, so read into that however you want.
>>30647379
gun is a Zoli. model is a Silver Snipe. Worth $5000 ish. Nice gift.
>>30647823
>>30647771
Couldn't find my gun, mine is the "silver snipe"
and that website was awful too
also you wouldn't happen to have the website that has the serial number data base would you?
>>30647849
>5K
really?
>>30638983
Sorry for the shitty image. I need to take a better one sometime in the future.
>>30647243
I like your style. ;)
>>30642030
Unarmored target + short, short distances = 12 gauge kicks 5.56's ass easily. I'd rather blast a massive fuckin crater into a burglar than poke him full of little holes.
>>30642833
>Implying that new automatically denotes better.
>>30643518
Ever since Remington was bought out, their quality control has gone to shit. If yours works for the first few hundred rounds then you should be okay.
>>30644369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F42Bsc8YtnU
>>30645967
If you're serious, then get a mossberg 500 in 20 gauge. Spring for the youth model, it will have a shorter length of pull.
>>30644802
>that expensive ass shotgun
>cheap af red dot
why
>>30641791
[spoiler] w-where does ammo goes in?
daily reminder.,..
>>30645638
>More than 2 is incredibally rare
>you only get assaulted by up to 2 niggers every time
what a nice place you must live.
>>30645206
I will never understand why people continue to buy the overpriced side saddles when there is a better option and more versatile option with the shotgun cards.
And dont get me started on how much autism I go through ridding myself of the pain I get from seeing slings with shell holders on them
>>30648619
just noticed his wife or similar must be in the passenger seat. how fucking nerve wracking
>>30648619
He lives in a world where only the best case scenarios ever happen to him, He never deals with any problems, let alone plans for any problems.
He lives in a Utopian society.
>>30648707
those are just velcro yes? i'll get that for my 590a1 when i get one
>>30648619
Are Brazilian cops trained by the Hall of Justice or a similar institution?
>>30639554
In case you're burgled by ducks.
>>30648748
yup just velcro
>>30648707
If that shit works, good on you. Spending $50 on a side saddle is pure retardation.
>>30648847
that seems infinitely more useful and inexpensive compared to side saddle shit
>>30648004
Is that 500 furniture?
>>30648866
It's nice because you can have a bunch in standard AR mag pouches, when one runs dry you can yank it off and slap a fresh one on. It's relatively slow compared to a proper shotshell carrier though.
>>30648863
>>30648866
here's the one I got from SOE, I got it when they were only $15, now $20, still considerably worth it compared to the other options
I have shot over 250 rounds (mostly birdshot) with it on with shells in it and not once did it budge
Here's my home defense shotgun. I load it up 12+1 so it's heavier and use it as a blunt weapon.
But really, the AR is the gun I grab.
>>30648968
side saddles arent meant for normal reloads, they should be used for emergency reloads only to get another shell in the gun as fast as possible when your dry
and normal reloading from a standard source source
>>30648992
forgot link
http://www.originalsoegear.com/products/velcro-backed-12ga-shotgun-card
>>30648727
do you niggers realize most people don't even own guns because they never think they would need one, and you're criticizing him for not owning an artillery piece
in your example video he had a handgun, attacked one assailant and the others fled
even in your own example it disproves whatever you're trying to say
>>30644652
so that permanent, deep hacking cough that chainsmokers have is healthy and normal?
>>30642826
I know a guy who used a Galil for home defense.
He had a lot of fun in Lebanon
>>30649079
Stop being a faggot. Some of use don't want to die in a home having people wipe our ass for us. Fuck off, prissy. Go nanny state somewhere else.
>>30649061
sooooooo, what if they didnt run?
>>30642507
I've got the exact same one, only my furniture is tan. Which I don't really know why I went with, because I live in fucking Newfoundland.
LOLOPER8UR I guess
>>30648927
Yup. gunpartscorp.com if you want to get it easily and not pay $100 on ebay for just the forend. Just cross your fingers and hope you get a set that matches as nicely as mine does.
>>30643484
Nice! Good grab, I'm super happy with mine.
>>30644369
>outside videogames shotguns don't do that much damage
Oh sweetie
>>30648045
>>30642044
You guys are idiots. Have fun being blind and deaf after unending up that SBS in your hallway.
You know those teams of guys who sole job is CQB, don't you think if scattergats were the best option they'd be using them?
I cant decide.... Do i get a mosberg 590a1 or an ithica ?
>>30648004
Goddamn, wood looks beautiful on that thing.
>>30649220
>blind and deaf
Oh boy it's this meme again. Post your SBS' kid.
![20150413_190043[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LCBHNez.jpg "20150413_190043[1].jpg")
>>30649033
Well yeah, assuming you're all decked-out in battle-rattle. If not the side-saddle is just as likely to be all the spare ammo you have.
I have 18-24 rounds on my PC, two 16 round panels on an FLC, 12 rounds on the duty belt, another 12 on a bandoleer and often have loose rounds in a canteen pouch as well. I don't carry all of that at once of course, that'd be heavy. But having options is nice.
>>30639426
O/u are hard to cut down with a vented rib.
You need to at the very least resolder the rib. And reblue the barrels.
>>30649237
Yes.
>>30649243
Wood looks great on everything.
>>30649296
Very good point
>>30642838
>>30642507
bout to say
nearly 1600fps 00 buck is sexy
i use the same load for hd
>>30642826
>crates next to bed
i know that feeling
and its a really really good one
>>30645600
Polychoke looks cool
>>30642901
barrel lengths and pressures
canucks use sawn-offs to educate children
>>30649254
Uh, what? That's retarded. You cut the rib at the same place as the barrels, and surprise, it stays where it is.
>>30648707
this
velcro cards are lighter and offer more utility
>>30649414
While also being nowhere near as durable. Velcro stops being useful after a certain point of wear.
>>30649261
Ready for close encounters are we?
>>30649248
Why the fuck woukd I have a SBS? What am I a 1930s mafiolio?
My HD firearm is my AR, like any smart person would do.
>>30649439
>makes baseless claims about something he has no experience with
Beautiful.
>>30649430
then replace it?
>>30649434
You know it homie.
>>30649477
Oh, I see youre implying things now.
I have shot many a shotgun. That's not the question you asked me. Is your argument that shotguns don't have more flash and a louder report than a AR?
>>30649502
A SBS will not blind nor deafen you.
Also, a standard shotgun is noticeably more quiet than a standard AR. Look up the decibel levels yourself.
>>30649523
No, 12g is 160ish db AR is 150ish dB. I'm sure you can find any number to support either argument throughout the whole of Google.
But it's okay, I'm allowed to not like what you like. You dont need to take it personally.
Just go ahead and write everyone who clears houses for a living that they are doing it wrong because you feel like a shotgun is the better weapon. Also mention that all youll have to do is rack the slide to make Jamal leave anyway.
So I have about 400 dollars for a new shotgun that ill dedicate to HD. Id prefer wood furniture for the hardon factor and an extended tube because dindus have been sighted forming what im told is a "squad" or 3-5.
>>30649494
>Dem feet
>>30649585
>No, 12g is 160ish db AR is 150ish dB
You just confirmed you don't know what you're talking about.
>>30649843
Okay. You told me to Google. I Googled. You then act like somehow the information I Googled is wrong because it doesn't fit your narrative.
You're a very emotional guy it would seem. Maybe you should wait for a few years before you participate in discussions on a Welsh backgammon enthusiasts image board.
Mossberg 590A1 or pic related for HD? On one hand, it's got a strange action. On the other,
>SBS-tier size
>11rd mags
>>30650088
Fug.
>>30650105
I trust the Mossberg 590A1 to feed correctly. But fuck me that's sexy.
>>30650321
That's why I'm wary of the Dagger. But it seems to be so perfect for HD, though it's a bit heavy.
>>30649843
Yeah...
Just going off off personal experience, I've shot tons of 12 ga without any earpro and been fine. I had my earpro fall out shooting an M4 once and I have some EEEEEEEEEEEE from it now
>>30644802
>angled foregrip
>12 gauge
>>30649380
Thanks. This was actually the first gun I bought
Muh Double Baikal
>>30643601
why is this so hilarious in my imagination
>tfw you fire brand new spongebacked mosin
>tfw it springs forward and shish kebabs vasya
>oy blin
>>30647248
>$500
>expensive
> >30651941
In anywhere in my post did i say $500 was expensive. Do you know how commas work my poor child?
>>30652359
Was meant for
>>30651941
Idk why the fuck it got all retarded.
My M12
My new Savage, only paid 200 for all of it
>>30644126
XRAIL SONNNNNN
>>30644100
But are those kits even any good?
>>30644704
>in order for a shotgun to kill you it must gib you into little bits like in quake
Are you 5?
>>30644369
>also outside videogames shotguns don't do that much damage
Yup.
I'm officially mad.
>>30645277
but hes not hiking with it. Its his HD shotgun. If anything he picks it up and only moves 5ft with it in his house.
>>30653756
They're okay.
