Hello, /k/ommandos. Just curious, what would you do if you happened to be in close proximity to a mass shooting while it was happening?
Also not trying to spout anti-gun rhetoric or anything. I am genuinely curious as to how /k/ would handle the situation (or if it were to handle the situation at all for that matter). I just chose the pic because I thought it was funny.
>>30627896
if im carrying i secure myself and anyone around me in a safe place or run away from the shooting.
if the shooter starts going nuts near me to to where I have an advantage ill take the shot
if im not armed im running like a fucking pussy
>>30627896
Best case, find a way to escape. No need to risk my life or a lawsuit when I can escape. That said, if I need to defend myself then I shoot back.
Shout "We don't both have to die virgins!"
>>30627941
Best kek I've had today.
>>30627896
Find cover, then look for an opportunity to take a safe shot, assuming I'm armed.
>>30627896
I completely don't get that picture
>>30627896
Detonate suicide vest
If I'm within 100 feet of the guy and its in an open space like Dallas, run like hell.
If I'm outside of that radius probably take cover with a preplanned escape route if he starts moving my way.
If I'm past 100 yards I'm pulling out my phone and putting that shit on world star.
If I'm armed I'll probably do the same except shoot from cover once there isn't a wall of people behind him.
>>30627992
I think it's implying that anti-gun control advocates are hypocrites who would cower in fear like the rest of the noguns population in the face of a mass-shooting.
>>30628143
>>30627992
No, its saying the groups in question only care about the political backlash whenever a mass shooting occurs, rather than the lives lost.
>>30628143
How exactly is that hypocritical? Liking guns doesn't mean you want to get shot.
>>30627896
Get the fuck out of there. I don't spend every waking moment at the range and I'm not risking my life getting close enough to some guy to properly shoot him dead
>>30627896
If armed, guard biggest piece of area I can secure without running around so I don't get shot by first responders.
If unarmed, same thing as when we had a dude with a gun in highschool
>grab heaviest/sharpest thing possible
>stand beside doorway and wait
>>30627896
Too many variables to say for certain. Depends how when and where I find myself in the situation. Generally if I could safely evacuate the area and contact emergency services that would be my first course of action. An active shooter situation is chaotic enough without a wannabe hero in the area. If I can't do that I do whatever I'm able to to fight. If I have to go I'd rather go down swinging.
>>30627896
Join in
>>30627896
1: Are cops around? If yes, then I let them deal with it and get out of dodge so I don't get shot by LEO. If cops were getting shot and I had a chance to ambush the shooter I might take it; but in most circumstances getting involved is a good way to get shot by the police.
2: If no cops are around do I have my gun? If yes, then I do my best to ambush the SOB, the element of surprise counts for a lot. If there's more than one shooter, then I might try to take out on or two; but there gets to be a point where it becomes suicidal.
3: If no cops and I'm unarmed. Then I try to run away, if there's no way to escape then I try to tackle the fucker and hope for the best. In no case would I just fucking sit there and get shot.
PS: I don't have a family to support and I'm crazy enough/depressed enough that getting killed trying to be a hero doesn't strike me as that bad a way to go. If I had a family that depended on me then I'd prioritize my own safety more.
>>30627896
If I'm in a situation where I have one of my hunting rifles and I am not the shooter's current target, I will definitely try to take him out assuming there's no risk of any more casualties, example hooking some lady running away due to a botched shot.
If I'm carrying, I get myself and loved ones/others away as quickly as possible, and let the authorities take care of it.
>>30627896
No matter the distance, I'll try and close it and stop the threat. If there are other cops on scene, I'll retreat to my car, put on my plate carrier with "POLICE" in fughueg letters on the back, and go back in with a lesser chance of friendly fire.
>cop life
>>30627896
>Hello, /k/ommandos. Just curious, what would you do if you happened to be in close proximity to a mass shooting while it was happening?
Get indoors. Stay low, watch doors, avoid windows.
>>30628087
Underrated post
>>30627896
I'd use the Team America secret signal.
>>30627896
I run like hell, ccw is intended for self preservation if backed into a corner, not to play hero and get myself and potentially others killed
>>30628398
This pretty much sums my thought on this up but I'll be honest, I'm armchair at this point, never seen it so not sure exactly what I would do myself.
>>30627896
Get everyone in a room away from the windows and doors, lock the doors, draw my CCW and shoot whoever comes through the door.
Make the cop slip his badge under the door, and THEN i'll open it.
This is basic active shooter training.
Nothing because I don't have a gun because I'm only here to shitpost on /k/
>>30627896
Like the Las Vegas instructional video says
Run: don't be a clown, get out, save others, call cops
Hide: if you can't run, don't be a hero, try to stay safe, lock and barricade the door
Fight: if he finds you, cowering won't solve a thing. Do what you can.
Personally I hope I would be able to get a shot in after he's initiated the attack and I could survive the ensuing legal battle. I am levelheaded and normie about it, I don't look forward to a kill or glory or anything, but it might help the world as a whole a little. And on the less normie side of things, yeah, I would be interested in the kill somewhat. Might be able to claim PTSD afterward for a cooler reason than so far.
> tfw NZ gun laws
> tfw no concealed carry
> tfw probably will never fulfill my fantasy of being the hero for once
Feelsbadman.jpg
>>30627896
Assuming the nutjob is directly infront of me with his back to me as he opens fire?
Pop him in the back of the head.
>>30627896
>what would you do if you happened to be in close proximity to a mass shooting
fukken leave
i hope americans have more shootings though so all the john wayne fucktards get weeded out at the same time as the radical muslims and broken white boys are getting owned by SWAT
>>30627896
Escape if at all possible (not a cop nor am I equipped for a protracted gun fight). Shelter in place or seek cover and return fire. I think that's the order they give government employees for dealing with an active shooter barring returning fire.
>>30628986
I feel you anon
>>30627941
...but one of us will.
>Draw on them
>blastem
>>30627896
Flight, Hide, Fight. Applies to everyone whether you are carrying or not. Kust cause a bunch of libshits say we're basically Rambo or Judge Dreds for getting a CCW, doesn't mean we are. We went theough the process to defend ourselves, loved ones and bystanders in close proximity of us, not to hunt the shooter. If the shooter were to go his way into the close proximity, then yes, you better prepare to draw and pull the trigger.
>>30629011
Careful not to cut yourself on that edge bait anon.
>>30628205
>grab heaviest/sharpest thing possible
>stand beside doorway and wait
>Ambush shooter if he gets to your location
>HAYAKO MITAKAZAI!!
>pic related happens
>Pssh, nothing personal.... kid
>>30627896
It depends, I guess on who I am with. If it is just me, I am probably going to go whack that motherfucker. Try and figure out a good ambush spot and drill him good. On one hand, I know that this is a bad fucking idea, but I am not sure if moral indignation would allow me to do otherwise. If I am with family or friends, I am going to do what I can to ensure that they get out.
>>30629011
These idiots crack me up. If you don't take your clothes off and offer your asshole to an active shooter, then you must think you are John Wayne.
>>30630361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze6hZEIF824
Get as far away from the scene as possible and not go back, you know like it tells you to do in every piece of active shooter training ever.
>>30630828
If escape is possible, escape. If a shot is possible, engage.
>>30627896
Call me a white knight/hero wannabe, but I'd make a very quick 911 call to alert them to it, then draw and move quickly but carefully towards the sounds of gunfire.
Then attempt to find and kill the shooter(s).
Worst case, I die without stopping the guy(s) or saving any lives.
>Still did the right thing, aftermath investigation will speak well of lawful carriers as people who try to help others.
Realistic case, shooter(s) now have competition, can’t stroll around confidently like in the Columbine videos. Short firefight ensues, one of us loses.
>Gives more time for a police response, more innocents can get away, shooter(s) has a chance to be stopped there.
Best case, I see him before he sees me, and am able to kill him before getting involved in a fight.
>Shooter stopped, lives saved, yet another point in favor of responsible gun ownership.
Seems pretty clear-cut to me.
>>30631027
How would you handle the possibility of being misidentified as the shooter by LEO or another CCW?
>>30631374
Not him, but stay in cover/concealment as much as possible and don't draw until you ID the target, that prevents you becoming the obvious target of the shooter too.
>>30631374
>How would you handle the possibility of being misidentified as the shooter by LEO
>police
>getting there before the shooter has killed everyone and shot himself
wew
>misidentified and shot by other rambos
hasn't happened, ever. what does happen repeatedly is people carrying either shooting a mass shooter or dissuading them as the CCer made a controlled exit from the mass shooting. days before sandy habbening the clacksmas mall got shot up by a fuck with a stolen AR and 100 round Cmag and a dude with a snub nosed 5 shot revolver made him 360 and moonwalk away before running out of targets and shooting himself before swat even entered the building.
>>30631435
This desu senpai.
>>30631405
But also this. Why fuck around?
>>30627896
If armed, kill active shooter from a position of cover.
If unarmed, attempt to get a group to rush him from multiple directions.
If unarmed and surrounded by pussies, most likely die trying to stop him myself.
The active shooter "training" that most people receive or hear about generally results in a more people dying over a longer period of time, rather than a few people dying quickly before subduing the attacker. Think about the Orlando shooting: ~50 dead and ~53 wounded. Given that 5.56 does not travel through multiple people (successful wounding usually caused by fragmentation), Mateen discharged ~100 rounds. That's 3 magazine changes right there. He was so successful in killing a large number of people because he was completely unchallenged.
If we're not willing to defend ourselves and those around us, with or without weapons at our disposal, then the 2nd Amendment is pointless. People who will not challenge an adversary when faced with immediate danger are even less likely to sack up when the government slowly encroaches on their rights. How can you be expected to fight for freedom if you won't even fight for the survival of yourself and others?
pic very related
>>30627896
I'd be getting the fuck out. Self-preservation is an absolute must and is the reason people CCW to begin with. You CCW in the hopes you never, ever have to use it. Your CCW is not there for you to play hero. It is there for you to use for self-defense. Don't be fucking stupid.
Run, if applicable.
>>30631520
A good answer.
Truth is, not everyone that carries a concealed weapon does so to be a hero, not everyone wants to be one, either. And, I've seen/read of several instances where a good Samaritan with a CCW weapon did their best to respond to an attack and were simply killed for their trouble. The one most distressing to me was the one where the CCW guy was closing on the obvious gunman when his cunt bitch girlfriend accomplice (whom he didn't notice) came up from behind and killed him with a shot to the head from almost point-blank range.
So you do have to accept that it might easily turn out bad for you. Anyone with a CPL who DOES want to be able to stop something like this, instead of living with guilt for the rest of their life that they weren't able to intervene - train.
Train right now.
It takes money. It takes time. It takes effort.
But that's the price you pay.
TRAIN.
>>30631516
This anon gets it
>>30630361
>>30631516
>He was so successful in killing a large number of people because he was completely unchallenged.
Have a link to support this: https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/imported_files/reference/research-papers/survival_scores_research.pdf
This nicely defines how accuracy and such goes straight out the window when you're in fight-or-flight mode. A cocksucker walking around murdering defenseless people is having fun. A bullet whistles past his head? Then he's fighting for his life, and expending all his ammo just to defend himself. Just *engaging* a shooter drastically reduces the lethality of the attack. Even if the responding shooter accidentally wings a fleeing victim, the total death toll will be far, far lower.
>>30627896
I'm not playing mr hero guy
Get some awareness.
I would escort my loved ones out of the building of one of the rear exits.
Priority number #1 get the fuck out of the X
If I make contact with the active shooter
Return fire with my CC and seek cover
>no way out
I would attempt to ambush/disarm him at the doorway.
What is that picture trying to say?
>>30632527
actually came here to ask this.
>>30632332
But liberal logic says 15 people dead from a shooter is better than 5 dead from shooter and 1 dead by accident.
Same reason they flip the fuck out every time someone gets killed by the police, but could care less about all the people killed by criminals.
>>30627896
Spend the next few years trying unsuccessfully to convince people on /k/ that it actually happened and wasn't a false flag/made up by the government.
>>30632640
if only the children of crisis actors stopped getting murdered in high profile mass killings
>>30630660
Personally I'd rather be John Wick
>>30631374
Yeah, I was gonna inb4 that but was too lazy. I’ll explain my thoughts on it.
That is definitely a valid concern. However, my thinking was that an active shooter is going to look COMPLETELY different than a CCW holder.
I figure (based on past events) that shooters are going to have some combination of the following:
>long gun of some sort (AR’s seem to be the go-to)
>if sidearm, it’ll be in a very exposed and easy to access location (thigh or shoulder holster)
>some combination of tacticool clothes/gear (combat boots, gloves, cargo pants, baklavas, maybe even a chest rig)
>Moving aggressively and angrily, little/no sense of caution about where their muzzle is pointing
Even the VT shooter, who had a Glock 19 and P22, was dual wielding in pic related gear.
Whereas a carrier is going to have
>medium-size or concealable handgun (no Tec-9s here)
>normal civilian clothing
>moving defensively, with pistol pointed down or straight up. Only comes up very deliberately.
Maybe I’m overly optimistic, but I bet a LEO or CCW holder is going to have the sense to tell the difference before shooting.
I know I would.
Get myself and get loved ones / meaningful friends the fuck out of there. Failing that, hunker down with weapon drawn on nearest point of entry.
The "GUD GUI WITH A GUN" argument is completely retarded since it complicates the situation for everyone involved. Either get out, or prepare to defend yourself. Hunting the guy down just makes things worst.
>>30632326
>punished kid: a student denied his nap time
>>30632807
THIS. THIS. THIS. All these faggots go out and buy the stupidest shit they can. Like the Colorado theater shooter with the 100 round magazine that predictably jammed up on him. He was in full tactical gear and had a fucking gas mask on to boot. Everything short of a fucking neon sign.
>>30628205
>>30628205
It's grab the fire extinguisher and face spray when they walk through the door. The extinguisher doubles as a blunt object!
>>30627896
In emergency situations I surprisingly stay calm and do what's best for everyone, so I probably would try and stop the shooter, but I'd make sure not to hit any bystanders. If I die then fuck it I don't have anything going on in my life anyway.
Thankfully there seems to be a phenomenon where whenever one of these people (or criminals in general) encounters anyone who's even capable of fighting back with their own firearm (be they civilian or law enforcement) it switches them from fight mode to flight mode and they either run away or in the case of spree shooters literally kill themselves so hopefully I'd just have to be seen by him to be armed and he'd pussy out.
Then I'd make sure to make pro-gun statements in every interview I do.
>>30628398
What are the numbers that lead to such high numbers with the police?
If anything, that sounds more like somebody who is entrenched and requires police showing up to get out.
>YWN conceal carry a PTRS41 to deal with entrenched shooters with Cheytacs
Life is suffering.
>>30627896
I'd get the fuck out of dodge.
>>30627896
Crush some Halloween blood packets over my head, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KHCqYCyWD4 down a dark hall, give my most demented, toothiest grin, Splinter Cell into the darkness, and wait for my chance to strangle him with my hoodie.
>>30632807
You have to account for the fact that people in fight or flight mode do not think about their actions, they execute.
If another CCW holder is doing the same thing you are, he might just see the gun and not want to take any chances. At that point, you go down, the shooter is still active, and the situation is now infinitely more complicated, which might delay police response even further.
Get people to a safe place, and stay to protect them. You cannot and will not save everyone, but you can guarantee (or astronomically increase) the likelihood of survival for some.
>>30627896
If I'm armed or if shit goes down near my vehicle, I'll do what I can to help.
>>30632807
My plan if put in this situation would be to keep my gun holstered and concealed until the last possible moment, and then reholster it immediately after the threat is eliminated.
I'd rather minimize the risk of cops seeing a gun and immediately firing due to stress and having to react quickly.
Also, assuming the shooter is far enough away that I can take cover and draw before peeking cover to shoot.
>>30632984
Because the police typically do not respond until AT LEAST 30 minutes after the first call for help comes out. It takes time for SWAT to mobilize, develop a plan, and bust in - all while the shooter is gleefully massacring people.
The objective of the Police is not to save people, it's to contain the situation. After they have cordoned off the area, they typically take their sweet time before they get around to hunting the shooter down.
>>30627896
Given that my right to keep and bear arms has been stripped from me, i would start recording on my phone and find cover. Then i would shape my hand like a gun, point at the attacker, and go "pew pew". Upload to the intertubes with the caption "maybe i couldve shot back, but i live in CA"
>But no, seriously, just run and/or die like the rest.
>>30633054
I know that part, hence why I am wanting to know if its less, dumbass with a mare's leg or m4, and more like Dallas or the Belltower shooter.
IE, police have to deal with the high casualty events by default.
Its just odd since to have a 14 average is bizarre, since it means the shootings are going to be pretty huge.
Something that doesn't fit with what I understand in the US, seeing as we had to drop it to 3 to have mass shootings for quite sometime.
IE calling bullshit on the stats.
Draw my pistol. Execute the screaming woman next to me and her child to make an example.
We are under attack, and order and morale must be maintained. Cowardice and fear will not help anyone and only aids the enemy.
Once the line has been formed I order them to charge the shooter, and execute any dissenters. The shooter will be overwhelmed by the assault and victory will be ours.
>>30631435
You got a source on that? Good argument ammo against antiguns
>>30627896
Depends if I had a gun. But I would make myself as small as possible and always know where the shooter is. Sneak up and kill if possible.
>>30633125
Gold!
>>30632978
>Implying the national media covers mass shootings stopped by CCW
>>30633135
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2013/05/clackamas_town_center_shooting_84.html
also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting
>>30627896
depends on how close
I'm not going to run toward the sound of gunfire but if I'm literally 20 feet away when they start shooting I probably have better odds of surviving by shooting them in the head than I do running away
>>30631374
the only reason this hasn't happened is because probably less than 1% of people actually carry guns on a daily basis and out of those probably less than 5% of them would be willing to walk toward the sound of gunfire.
James Yeager advocates walking toward the sound of gunfire. I think he's a dumbass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prS_QpGIB8Q
>>30633303
>James Yeager advocates walking toward the sound of gunfire. I think he's a dumbass.
Well, that depends entirely on your own abilities. Yeager is a tacticool kind that shoots a lot; he knows he'd perform better than Joe Q. Citizen with a five-shot J-frame in his pocket. I've talked to firearm instructors before who've been quite obviously frustrated that these shootings never happen when someone like them is near enough to help. Yeah, just a matter of numbers and odds, but it still fucking pisses them off. Understandable.
>>30627915
This desu senpai. If i had an easy shot, I'd take it though
>>30633038
This is a good way of thinking, and it lines up with what Paul Howe teaches as well.
>>30628636
>badge you can buy novelty versions of online
>probably won't even fit under the door molding
>not credential/ID card with a name you can verify with 911 dispatch as an officer in service
>>30627896
Part 1:
My university's emergency broadcast system sent out a false alarm for an active shooter on campus last week. While the text message notification was an error by our idiot campus PD, no one knew, and the possibility of death felt very real. Or real enough to give me some insight, I guess.
I was in a class with 10 people, and once the notification was sent out that there was a shooter on campus, we were paralysed with fear. This is a problem: when you are fearful, it interrupts your ability to plan. You have to be aware of the situation: what are your classmates' plan for the emergency? Do they plan to barricade themselves, run, or do they just curl up in a ball and wait to die? Are they able-bodied and plan to fight? These are all important considerations that should be contingent upon whether you stay in the classroom or not.
Other important considerations on staying or leaving include what you know about the possible shooter(s). Do you hear gun shots? Were you notified by the school/a teacher/a classmate in an way of the shooters location? Some idiot in the class who wanted to be "in charge" screamed at everybody to barricade the class doors, despite there being absolutely no info that the shooter was close to us. This is when you better get your ass out of the room if you plan to escape, before people start blocking your only exit with tables and chairs for no good reason. Otherwise, you'll be waiting for someone to come and kill you.
If you can hear the shooter, then it might be advisable for you to stay in your classroom. Turn off the lights in your room, and be quiet, but most importantly, make a plan of ambush with others or by yourself if no one will volunteer. Hide in a corner of the room, wait for the shooter to come to you and then kill them.
>>30632807
I wouldn't know. If I had a party I'd try to protect them first like I'm obligated too even though they're slowing me down because they're too fucking stupid to get down or run for cover like they should.
That's very optimistic. I won't say anything to the contrary.
>>30633710
Part 2:
In the case there is a false alarm and you don't know it, If you have a gun and it is your best option to stay in your classroom, I would ABSOLUTELY NOT tell anyone that I had a gun and planned to use it in self-defense until I was certain there was a shooter in my immediate vicinity. Depending on your state's laws and school's policies, you'll get your ass expelled. You only have nothing to lose when you know for sure that shit is going down.
tl;dr
1. Assess your classmates' capabilities
2. Escape if you have a good reason to believe the shooter is not close to you; stay and ambush if they are.
3. If you're staying and you have a gun on you, don't let anyone know unless your campus has a carry-friendly policy or you are certain a shooter is close to you. This will save you from possible expulsion when you are breaking the school's rule for your benefit.
>Proof that I'm not full of bullshit:
http://www.kolotv.com/content/news/UNLV-mistakenly-sent-active-shooter-alert-385779491.html
>>30633710
>code ___ active shooter
lock the doors
turn off the lights
sit against the front wall opposite of the way windows face
shut the fuck up
it's like you people haven't lived through 13 years of accident preparedness drills by 18 or something.
this isn't that hard. it was pitiful to see the fucking retards tying printer cords and shit to a inward opening door handle to "barrade it" when that guy shot his professor in the college parking lot.
>inb4 but the college campus/office I'm in doesn't have locking doors, has big floor length windows, isn't built with multiple layers of security, etc.
then the organization you're in has failed you utterly. hope you have a gun despite the magic gun free zone signs.
>>30627896
Banepost him to subdue then realize you like him more than most normies anyway and offer to carry his ammo bag.
>>30633780
>1. Assess your classmates' capabilities
>2. Escape if you have a good reason to believe the shooter is not close to you; stay and ambush if they are.
>3. If you're staying and you have a gun on you, don't let anyone know unless your campus has a carry-friendly policy or you are certain a shooter is close to you. This will save you from possible expulsion when you are breaking the school's rule for your benefit.
>assess the capabilities of your class of skinny faggots, women, and edgelords
safe to assume "panicked mob" will describe any scenario you are in. maybe you'll have a GI bill veteran who will try to loudly and incorrectly organize everyone like you did in your class.
>just leave you defensible classroom in a panicked mob during an active shooter scenario
what could go wrong
>ever revealing you have a gun until the cho wannabe is busy failing to shoot a deadbolt off with a handgun
>implying you won't be expelled regardless
>>30633850
>Banepost him to subdue
saigamarine stop offering tactical advice, you've already gotten 4 people imprisoned or tactically baneposting
>>30627896
>if you happened to be in close proximity to a mass shooting while it was happening
Return fire. Clear weapon if rounds remaining, place weapon on ground and flag nearest first responder.
>>30633125
D-Donald?
I-Is that y-you?
>>30633038
>keep my gun holstered and concealed until the last possible moment
Seems smart, but a little bit risky. How do you know "when the last possible moment" is? When you walk in to each other's LOS? Now he's got a loaded gun in his hands and you don't. Even if he thinks you're unarmed, he's still a shooter. It's not like you're safe around him until you draw.
>and then reholster it immediately after the threat is eliminated.
Absolutely. If you have no reason think there is a second shooter, don't mark yourself as a threat to anyone.
>>30633920
Goddamn normies not knowing trucks are already regulated.
>>30628398
Those numbers seem wrong. Mostly because I don't remember the last time any news source even the ones with an NRA watermark reported about the next Columbine being stopped by Gerald with the Glock.
>>30632326
Thanks Snake Plissken.
>>30635273
>2016
>not having a CDL with HAZMAT endorsement
its like I can't be stopped
>>30627896
>>30633125
never change /k/
Carrying or not I won't play the hero, if there's a shooter I'd flee or shelter in place. However if when fleeing or the shooter came in to my area I would return fire
>>30635273
>implying you need CDL to buy a dirt cheap 270k-desperate need of engine rebuild big rig out of a truckstop newsletter to murder babies with
>implying you can't steal a truck in minutes with old school hotwiring
>implying we don't need stiff regulations on truck safety
>implying we shouldn't demand trucks are stored in locked buildings when not in use with the engines separate from the frame to prevent tragedies like this
>implying the next step won't be light commercial vehicles, then super duties, then pickups, then light pickups, then SUVs, then any car over 1 metric ton, then any car but approved list vehicles like the safecar electronically limited smartcar that shuts off the engine after a 5mph front end collision with a max speed of 35mph
if it can save one life...
no one needs a multi ton murder machine, you just want your penis extension!
>>30635342
>call me snake
>>30635584
>he thinks /k/ is /tg/
>>30628398
Pretty much this.
I live in Canada so my self defense capability is limited to a shotgun in a truck and a pocket full of shells. If I'm in a mall and a muslim starts shooting it's a run to the parking lot and back.
>>30627896
Hopefully I'd die while taking him/her/them with me.
>>30633054
Copfag here. That used to be the response to active shooters, where you contain the incident and wait for SWAT.
Since Columbine, most agencies have either adopted a "contact team/recovery team" tactic or a "first in" tactic.
Contact/recovery consists of an officer teaming up with 2-5 officers that get on scene first, making an ad hoc SWAT team that goes in to neutralize the shooter. Secondary contact teams (depending on the size of the primary team) are made up of the second set of 2-5 officers, and also go in to try and take out the shooter. The third team to go in, again typically 2-5, is the recovery team, which focuses on securing victims and civilians, providing immediate trauma care, and evacuating if possible. Recovery teams also have to be prepped to become contact teams if they find the shooter.
My agency primarily uses the "first in" technique, unless multiple officers arrive on scene within 15 seconds of each other.
"First in" basically means that the first officer on scene kits up (all officers are issued helmets and level 4 IOTVs, as well as m4s) and heads in to engage the threat if no gunfire is heard. If we do hear gunfire, our SOP is to grab the rifle from the gun lock and go in as is. If we're outside the patrol car, just go in pistol only to try and intercept the threat before any more damage can happen.
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If it was 1 or 2 I'd have it in the bag. Concealed 3a vest and Glock 30S. Folding stock AK in the truck. However that is only for dire emergencies considering the likely hood of me looking like the active shooter.
Of course if I'm far enough away I won't approach but just take cover and act if he approaches.
