My friend called me a gun toting moron, and is saying that if an armed robber enters his house he'd just charge them.
I'm utterly shit at arguing, so help me out here
Like what the fuck man?
>>30627615
why argue just let him get raped
>>30627637
He's being a dumbass and I have to correct him
>>30627615
the fuck are you arguing with people for?
go fap and play video games
>>30627650
Report him to the cops for verbal threats
>>30627656
Dude I'm getting legitimately upset. I can't just go play Men of War. He must be put in his place
>>30627615
You should just show him some stats on how horrible knife fights are for both parties involved, some images of untrained people that got into a knife fight, and get some better friends
>>30627635
>drug addicted criminals
>implying a 200lb hardened criminal on PCP and adrenaline is going to be stopped by a couple of swings of a bat or even a 'sword' (your friend is either a weeb or a westaboo)
Keep your fucking pathetic skype arguments to yourself
Christ, asking the internet to help you win a different internet argument. Look at your life and realize how sad you are.
>>30627671
>Dude I'm getting legitimately upset.
>He must be put in his place
The worst part is you genuinely have no idea how pathetic sounding this makes you.
>>30627675
Dude this isn't just some petty skype argument, this is how liberals think. I consider this training for when I meet of of these people irl
>>30627671
you have only yourself to blame for that
Next time you see him give him a sharpie and tell him it's a knife.
Then spray him in the face with a spray bottle until he learns how stupid he is.
>>30627650
You're all idiots.
Now get out.
>>30627635
Ask him if he genuinely thinks a bat is more effective than bullets
>Also call him a faggot neckbeard for even considering using a sword
>>30627685
>Dude this isn't just some petty skype argument
That's exactly what this is.
Fucking losers, the pair of you.
>>30627685
.........so your practicing spilling your spaghetti online so you can spill it all over the place irl?
>Come running crying to 4chan because someone is being a meanie to you on Skype
Are you fucking serious
>>30627694
>>30627650
Go rape him and prove him wrong.
delete this thread now OP, your only making yourself look shittier the more you post
>>30627700
Gotta start somewhere.
>>30627716
>So a 12 guage slug or 00 buck is going to do LESS damage than a fucking baseball bat
How he choose to defend him self is his business.
No where in your post did he state that people should not be allowed to use guns to defend themselves, only he prefers melee weapons.
He's an idiot.
You're also an idiot for bringing this stupid bullshit here.
>>30627730
somewhere aint skype arguments nigga
>>30627733
here
>>30627734
>No where in your post did he state that people should not be allowed to use guns to defend themselves
He has said it in the past
>>30627733
imply all bullets have the same damage potential as 12 gauge projectiles.
His argument can be valid if bullets mean small low velocity pistol rounds with bad shot placement.
>>30627758
>people survive ridiculous shit
But not a baseball bat?
>>30627615
Drive him out to a secluded area and have him stand however long his hallway is with a stick in hand and tell him to charge you while you have your handgun loaded with blanks in your waistband or even already at the ready.
Shoot him with the blanks before he even gets close and laugh as the unburnt powder peppers him and probably surprises him into probably hitting the dirt in pain.
Leave him there lying on the ground laughing that he couldn't even take a blank so what's he going to do with multiple 9mm JHP ripping through his torso which at the ranges he's talking about would be insanely easy to accomplish and potentially striking his large and vital lungs, heart and arteries, liver, and spine.
He sounds like a clueless know it all douche that would fold under pressure.
>>30627758
>ends of a hallway
Guns are still effective at 3 feet
>>30627783
Also the blanks will probably fuck him up if you didn't know but that's hilarious either way cause he sounds like a homo that shouldn't father any children to begin with.
Tell him this friendship is over.
>>30627615
Tell him you are arent talking to him or his wife's son ever again
>>30627783
They responded with this
>>30627830
>>30627783
forgot pic
>>30627837
Are you Ari?
>>30627615
>I'd rather have a baseball bat than a gun in the event that i have a gun pulled on me
Forget arguing, what the fuck can you say when dealing with something this god damn retarded?
>>30627758
>>30627759
So either you blast the motherfucker with a shotgun and blow him away, or spray his ass with rifle rounds (I dislike using pistols for home defense). Either way, you are going to do much more damage than you could ever do with a bat.
And that Voltage Spokesman guy is fucking retard
>No it's not gonna do less damage than a bat
>But somehow the bat is gonna kill him instantly where the slug wouldn't
lol wut
>A slug could stop a guy in one shot
>COULD
So somehow the bat will for sure?
>Adrenaline is a helluva thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24
I'm sorry but your friends are fucking retarded. 30 rounds, even if you spray and pray, is going to
A-Stun (via sound and flash), and
B-Severely injure if even 1 in 5 shots hit
I'm not gonna speak for you anymore, make what you can from this
Sidenote: I could understand a melee weapon such as a bayonet mounted on your weapon as a compliment to such weapon in a home defense scenario. But, a melee weapon alone is the most weeb "anyone can pull a trigger kiddo, real men use swords" dumbfuck logic ever concieved.
TL;DR Your friends are stupid and will die if anyone actually breaks into their house
>>30627837
They are not your friends, they dont even try to understand. Jesus fuck just leave them. You have 3 people right now trying to bully you away from guns.
If they get in to trouble and get wonded just laugh at them and remind them what they said to you.
>>30627854
>even if you spray and pray
I dont think OP have anything automatic.
>>30627874
>>30627854
To clarify, when I say spray and pray, I mean panic pulling the fuck out of the trigger as fast as you can.
And yeah, I don't think OP has anything automatic
>>30627854
thanks anon, i appreciate it
>>30627887
Well that would work.
By the way OP>>30627615
What guns do you have?
Had the gun control argument with a friend the other day, I gave up when he said the Constitution doesn't matter. Nope, I'm done, you're being stupid and no part of continuing this will be beneficial for either of us.
> Because you've abandoned reason
> He has a 4 year degree
> Mfw this is the end result of education
>>30627837
Is it an aluminum bat? Those aren't exactly famous for a one hit KO and humans are pretty fucking resilient to getting beat up.
Search Boston brutal baseball bat fight on youtube and link the video. That's multiple guys getting hit so hard by an aluminum bat that the ping is heard down the street and not a single one loses conciousness and chases the guy.
A wooden bat still doesn't mean a one hit KO, slower to swing due to weight, and if you miss your first swing you're dead.
Can he always assure that he'll have enough room to fully extend in his swing to ensure he's hitting with enough force to deter an attacker meanwhile I can shoot you with a handgun no matter how close you get.
Meanwhile getting shot centermass is usually a death sentence if you can't get help in time if you don't bleed out in the floor before you can make a call to 911.
Real life isn't the movies and this faggot needs to understand that.
>>30627615
break into his house and hit him with yo problem solver
yours truly
~tyrone
>>30627869
It's hopeless. You're right. It's a waste of time.
>>30627888
No problem man. And like I said, I prefer a rifle (loaded with hollow points) for home defense. Shotguns could be affective, but in a panic you can fuck up a lot of shit. Short stroking the pump, missing your shots, etc etc. With a rifle, it's grab and go and you have a lot more shots to throw down range
>>30627919
Did that faggot just try to green text on skype?
>>30627908
Also don't let the faggots say "well a bat worked for him!"
Those guys were drunk and still had every opportunity to back off and shoot him if any one of them had a gun.
The bat deterred them but not for long nor did it knock any of the combatants out of the fight. They only gave up after he had escaped in the vehicle. Given time they would have overran and murdered him if had been on foot.
You've got even less of a chance to get away inside a confined area with linear exits unless you can get out of a window quick enough.
If a criminal has broken into your house at night while your home with a handgun chances are they will not back off if they're willing to go such extreme lengths to steal from you.
>>30627950
>>30627615
>if an armed robber enters his house he'd just charge them.
Sounds like he's been playing to much fucking fallout NV.
Present him this scenario and ask him to correct it if it is wrong:
Armed robber enters the house
You pull your baseball bat
You 2 meet at opposite ends of the hallway
You charge full speed at him
He fires at you
You most likely already have some rounds in you before you even reach him
You reach him and he is now unloading the rest of his magazine point blank into your chest and stomach, where there are major vital organs
you go to swing at him, and barely do anything due to the fact that you're swing a long stick in a hallway
>muh adrenaline
goes both ways
>muh panicking! he'll miss me!
And you'll miss him. again, goes both ways.
>he'll just run away
Then why the fuck do you even bother arguing this?
>>30627977
kill him irl
>>30627977
They are not even serious anon, you are wasting your time with some fags. Are they a bunch of reddit or 9gag fags?
>>30627919
>extensive training to magdump into the largest and most importsnt part of the human body at less than 10ft
Nigger I wish I had skype to put this dumb fuck in his place. I'm mad for you.
>>30627977
Oh my fuck I didn't mean for you to say the last bit but I'm glad you did anon. Fucking hell I kekked hard
>>30627977
Literally admitting defeat.
If you feel like being a smartass
>I think you've been watching to much ww2 japanese propaganda
>>30627615
Show him this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_8BzXING-A
>>30627919
This is my last reply before i go to sleep. Fuck he is dumb as shit.
In any firefight scenario, you are rarely if ever going to hit a golden gun one hit kill shot. The whole point of having a lot of lead is to fuck your opponent up to the point where he is in too much pain to operate. Whether its tearing a chunk of fat out of his gut, or tearing out his entire sternum, the effect is the same if you hit his body enough times.
YOU ARE GOING TO HIT SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES A LOT OF PAIN AS LONG AS YOU CAN OPERATE THE BASIC FUNCTION OF A FIREARM
In addition, to "keep going through a lot of shit", you either must be
A- A motherfucking bad ass, big dick pipe layer like Infantry or Spec War (ie, you know that if you die, you are severely fucking over the rest of your team) and have the mental fortitude to ride the lightning.
or
B-Hopped up on major amounts of drugs. In which case, a bat is going to do jack shit.
In the case of a drugged up homeboy, I'd rather have a 75% chance than a 5% chance
>>30627977
"also go ahead and try swing a baseball bat in a hallway ,go ahead and try,your mother will take away your computer for putting holes in the wall."
>>30627988
They WERE serious, dead fucking serious, but now that your arguments are destroying them they're trying to lighten up so they dont have to face that they're wrong
>>30628001
yup, also i might say that
>>30627615
>>30627615
Look anon they are a bunch of fags, they are not there to argue with you and you admitt you are shit at arguing and they DONT understand the 21 foot rule since it plays out that the cop get rushed and he is not expecting to shot. If he already have a pistol in his hands then the distance become so much shorter and the attacker lose since HE MUST HAVE SURPRISE OR IT WONT WORK.
Let that dumb fuck charge Jamal who is already holding his trusty glock 40 in his hand and see who survives.
[spoiler]Jamal lives[/spoiler]
>>30628022
Holy shit they got BTFO this fast? Jesus fuck who are these people?
>>30628022
ask him if he even owns a baseball bat and the last time he swung one.
>>30627977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z9XKFbCzUM
not sure how effective you could consider this as evidence but my belief has always been that you never bum rush someone with firearm unless you're in a group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXeKJe335VQ
go to 5:28 probably a good argument why you shouldn't get close to someone with a gun even if it is vidya logic
>>30627977
>Meet me irl
>>30628034
Should I hit home so they never bring it up again? They seem defeated.
You guys are awesome btw, I didn't thank you yet, so thank you.
Fuck man I need to take a class or get a coach in debating or something. I get destroyed by complete retards.
>>30628022
>getting hit by an autistic child telegraphing his swing by most likely raising his bat above his head or behind his head letting you know what direction he's going to swing and from what side in a narrow hallway after most likely getting shot in the chest before even reaching the gunman only to miss the swing because all the gunman had to do is duck or retreat slowly backwards while firing to put even more lead in your lungs until you slump on the ground with blood foaming from your chest and mouth.
>>30628051
Take out the fapping part you degenerate
>>30628051
Do it and lets see the replies
>>30628059
Ok I will, but should I post it or not. I mean it isn't like I BTFO'd them, you guys did
>>30628068
just sum up that they don't understand exactly how effective a firearm is.
>>30627635
>"Bullets though will bounce off of the common burgler"
>>30628065
Looks like you guys annihilated him. That's that.
>>30627615
LOL NO
the guy you are talking to is obviously retarded. no reason for it.
also
>I'm utterly shit at arguing
never say that again. you might as well be saying
"i'm an idiot. i'm an idiot. so i'm an idiot"
>>30628022
>>30628051
Call him on this shit. He only responded to one tiny bit of it, and even there he is wrong.
Ask him in what universe he is going to land a perfect full power baseball bat swing with a belly full of lead in a hallway probably not even wide enough to properly swing in.
>>30628082
your friends are faggots.
>>30628084
Dude I've had people talk shit to me over topics I'm extremely well versed in and I still got destroyed.
>>30628082
Do you call those people "friends" Or do you just play vidya with them?
>>30628094
then you need to learn to deliver your point more effectively. shut down their arguments and make counter points to refute their evidence
>>30628022
Damage control Inc.
This is literally the same shit I went through with some fur fags.
>Anon why do you need an AR-15? No one needs to be able to fire that many rounds.
Why do you need a fur suit to hide the fact that you're a raging autistic homo dog fucker?
>>30628092
>>30628097
well he did help me through multiple crisis so I'd call him at least a close acquaintance.
This all started when I wanted to return the favor, do him a solid, and buy a gun for him so he'd be safe when the country goes to shit.
Then he started railing on me regularly for owning guns
>>30628105
I'm aware of that actually, but unfortunately I'm not skilled at doing it.
Maybe you're right. Maybe I am dumb.
>>30628112
Keep him on the friends list, any butt hurt from him just come to us. We'll btfo any faggot, but make sure it's night /k/
>>30628111
Other guy joined in.
>>30628140
What's your Skype let us in on this chat
>>30628140
Show them this video, tell them cop had a baton or some shit
>>30628120
never said you were dumb m8. lack of a certain skill does not relate to overall intelligence. always comes down to practice, practice, practice and you'll get there
>>30628151
ariwalker2
Add me
I'd like some /k/ online buddies anyway
>>30628112
>Then he started railing on me regularly for owning guns
You allowed him to bully you over and over again? I am pretty sure that HE IS NOT going to stop his dumb shit and will continue to shit on you because you have guns. He is just going to go home and learn some new ticks and come back and refute your earlier points.
Does he understand how guns works? Have he ever shot a gun? Do he even want to learn to understand guns or do he want to stay ignorent and talk about "shoulder thing that goes up"?
>>30627615
The bullet would charge him faster
>>30628112
>>30628140
Damn.
I had an anti-gun friend who used to play DayZ with me.
But he knew never to argue with me because I already shoved his own up his ass in past about gun control, semi-auto, ect.
Like the other anons said, its a lost cause, but its funny as hell to watch normies sperg out over trivial shit like this, especially when they think life is like an action movie and adrenaline is a magic drug.
>>30628159
Nevermind, they're still at it
>>30628140
knife has a CHANCE of winning up to 20 feet if the assailant has the jump on the opponent ,and if the opponents weapon is holstered and not at the ready which in break in situation it would be at low ready stance at worst.
in this instance the person with the gun would be ready for the person with melee weapon,which is faster crossing 20 feet of distance and swinging or squeezing the trigger 10 times? also bullets wounds are much more traumatic than strikes from a blunt weapon or stabs from a bladed article.
>>30628140
A knife requires being right next to the person, and having the room and freedom of movement to actually stab someone.
A gun requires a straight line from the end of the barrel to the target.
>>30628172
Jesus fucking christ what is wrong with them?
The 21 foot rule is for holstered weapons, already drawn weapons have a 2 second rule, already drawn and pointed in the general direction weapons have a reaction time rule.
.22lr is the most common people killer, and it's significantly smaller than 9mm. 3 rounds takes less than half a second to put down range and will stop anyone not hopped up on drugs. If you hit the heart, head or spinal cord it will put them down regardless. Surviving gunshots is a lot easier than staying standing after being shot, one round to the lung will collapse a man. He has a very high chance of surviving if he gets medical attention within the hour, he has practically no chance to actually stand up after he goes down, the amount of oxygen he needs just to stay conscious greatly outweighs the amount he is taking in at that point.
Sure, you can beat someone down too, but that's much harder than just shooting them, which is why defense with contact weapons like bats, hammers, uh, swords, have three to four times the rate of injury for the defending person as they do if the defending person was armed with a gun of any kind.
Shotguns will if not outright kill, immediately stop anyone they hit. Even if you're using birdshot, within a house they will kill a human being so long as you don't miss.
Your friend is stupid and probably a weeaboo having a power fantasy in his head. Call him a tard and leave, he won't listen to reason.
>>30628172
lol okay naruto
>>30628140
I'm mad as fuck. I won't join your skype because muh Persec, but show him this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aMEluWLWQA
Nick's a former Ranger who knows his shit. He covers knife fights well, and some other stuff applies too
Anyone plan to join this poor chap on skype?
>>30628201
Thanks bro. They make me quite angry
>>30627650
Just kill him, OP. Prove that fucking autist wrong.
>>30627615
Not shit, he's right OP, you dumbass.
This why the military/police use swords when clearing houses.
Really, though. Your friend seems like a dumbass who will only drag you down, you should cut ties with him. Not instantly over this, it would make you seem petty, but over time.
>>30628208
(Hacker voice) I'm in
>>30628233
or just show up at his house and shoot him
>>30628255
Give proof
>>30628220
so you're friends are faggots but i wouldn't follow these guys advice about cutting ties. just difference of opinions in the end i suppose
>>30628111
Most furfags I've met have been progun. The best thing I've seen was gay furries shut down anothe gay furry ausfag who said that AR-15s shouldn't exist.
>>30628270
>ausfag who said that AR-15s shouldn't exist.
Why is it always the ausfags that shitpost the loudest?
>>30628172
point shooting bruh..
Furthermore, red dot and flashlight on a rifle would be faster.
>>30628267
im not autistic enough to cut contact with him over it, but fuck if it didnt make me rage
Should have just asked them how well they thought Trayvon Martin did trying to fight a guy with a gun even before the guy could draw. How long he fought and kept going after the zim zam used one single bullet.
>>30628280
I guess it's just in their genes.
>the Ausfag assumed everyone who disagreed with him was American
>called all Americans idiots
Ausfag shitposting is always the same, I've literally never seen it deviate from a set pattern.
>>30628270
>Gay furries.
Why is it that a good chunk of them are usually gay?
>>30628265
> red hot sloths
What
>>30628329
tap dat boipussy
>>30628316
As a fellow anon on /k/ once said:
>male and female wolf and fox people look exactly the same
That said, most furries are bisexual, followed by straight, and then gay. There's a couple reasons for that, one being 80% of furries are dudes, so if you want to fuck a fellow furfag, you pretty much have to be gay. The last reason is that almost all the good furry porn is gay. I was straight when I went into this shit, I swear.
>>30628312
It is good to get that thing off the streets. Those damn long distance duel activaters are dangerous.
>>30627685
>. I consider this training for when I meet of of these people irl
When you argue with liberals IRL, they're probably not going to pause while you trawl /k/ for advice.
>>30627908
>A wooden bat still doesn't mean a one hit KO, slower to swing due to weight, and if you miss your first swing you're dead.
You can fuck a guy up with a wooden bat, break some bones if you hit hard enough.
Still means you have to get close instead of say, kneecapping the guy or whatever.
Welp liberal friends are gone
>>30628329
Is it still going on, or have they given up?
I'd join you guys on skype, but fuck making a new account and my real name is tied to the only account I used.
>>30628353
I know. It frightens me because i'm not ready
>>30628161
I'd gladly add you on steam, because skype is literal cancer.
>>30628457
they'll be there tomorrow without fail
>>30628462
We have like five people from this thread in here now, we might as well take over the chat. Make an account and come chat with us at the least
>>30628467
/id/cloudu11
>>30628479
done did.
>>30627615
Tell him he's not James Bond and is in fact a fucking manlet.
>>30628479
added t. fuji
LeToucan123
>>30628521
Add this account to skype chat pls. I want to see libtard tears
>>30627837
Show them the 21 foot rule where the shooter
Does this thing
Where he takes a step back.
Well OP problem is gone right now
>>30627671
home invasions only happen when the residents are present, otherwise they are burglaries.
>>30627716
he's right, if you haven't drawn yet, engagement distance is very relevant. but why would you be clearing rooms presumably to reach family members without being ready to fire?
>>30628579
We used memes to dispose of the evil
>>30627615
The CDC's gun violence study showed that use of a gun is the most effective self defense strategy.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/cdc-gun-research-backfires-on-obama/
>>30627650
>He's being a dumbass and I have to correct him
This deserves to be a banner
>>30628312
>sticky hand
>slap dat ass from across the room
Truly a weapon to surpass metal gear
>>30628661
Please stop
>>30627950
You know using > to quote a post long predates 4chan
>>30627615
Just ask him to test his theory with waterguns.
Watch as he embarassingly swings his cheap chinese piece of metal while you pelt him with cold water all afternoon.
Only idiots are friends with idiots.
>>30629228
Where is the proof for that my friend?
>>30628805
I miss the Phillippines. Such a nice place with nice people.
>>30628161
Added
>>30627758
>He doesn't know about cheap and accessible hollowpoints, softpoints, self defense loadings and full powered rifle rounds or intermediate rifle rounds
Why are you even arguing with this dumbass in the first place? Just get Jamal or Jose to invade his home armed and drugged. If he's still alive, it'll show his naïevety. Is he also a fat fuck?
>>30627837
>Muh privilege
Jesus fucking christ. Does he even know anout cheap firearms? So was projectile shooting thats been her since the late medieval ages.
Who the fuck has room to swing a bat in the hallway? Tell him you'd either want the situation to immediately deescalate and for the intruders to fuck off the second they had a gun pointed at them or to die as quickly as possible if they were crazy enough to not be deterred by an AR stuck in their face.
>>30629289
2chan you ultra mega EX alpha newfag
>>30627615
How to win a "libtard things cow of dooters gun physics are realistic" argumen
>go on liveleak or best gore, or other site containing deaths by weapons
>pull a video of somebody getting fucking wasted, if it takes more than 3 shots he is using a pellet gun or loses gunfights with stormtroopers
>i prefer shopkeepers killing robbers with compact handguns, and shotguns for this purpose
>link it
>???
>profit
OP, you are a faggot
>>30628479
Ill add you, watch for some shitty meme name
Also, what kind of games do you play?
Just rob his house bro and shoot him when he charges you lol
That'll teach him as he lays bleeding out on the floor he'll mutter "Anon was right, this was stupid."
>>30628479
wish I could add you, but I'd end up making myself look like a fag
>remember me
>>30629560
Anon and how many filthy liberals knows about 2chan? Why are you even mentioning it?
>>30629289
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Unicode_code_point_table
>>30629785
He's being a fucking retard
Using > goes back to unicode days. It was used on IRC before this place was a twinkle in the Illuminatis lizard eyes.
>>30627615
When autists argue
>>30628343
>tfw furry for pron
>tempted to suit
>everything you just said is correct
>i also went in straight
Seriously though, never talked to a furfag that wasnt progun
Heres my philosophy with gays
>there are fags
>fags are limpwristed pussies domesticated by the liberals
>just pussies in general
>super flamboyant
>and there are gays
>human being who enjoys cock
>fits in anywhere on the human personality spectrum except for being a fag by definition above
>>30629938
gay here, can confirm
some of us are actually pro-gun and conservative, the ones who are are pretty fucking cool.
>>30627635
>>drug addicted desperate criminal somehow less scary than 2-3 marines
Jesus your friend is stupid, you should just cut ties. Unless he's built like Brock Lesnar then he's an advanced amount of disillusioned. Even Shaq carries, even Bruce Lee carried. Both could take out an average guy but knew guns are more effective than engaging in an actual fight or using nunchucks. Your friends a cuck who's simply afraid of operating a gun or too retarded to know how to purchase one. There is no polite way to argue.
>>30627687
This. It sounds funny as shit too
>>30627671
Just let your friend know his fuckin weeb swards don't fuckin hurt people, and being shot twice in the chest would put him down immediately, then end it there and go jerk off to your husband.
>>30628112
>buy a gun for him
wait why
I can see "help him buy a gun" but why would you do it for him? Can he not own one legally?
Call him a cuck.
Also,go invade his home tonight, tie him up and rape his wife wife
Just test it out OP
Go to a hall
Have them charge you
Make a finger gun and say bang
See who's still "alive"
