Hypothetically, you need to arm 5-10 folks with rifles of a common caliber (preferably semi auto)
What rifle do you choose that wouldnt fuck your finances?
>inb4 pic related
Alot would depend on mission but SKS on the low end AR on the high end.
>>30616373
Hypothetically you've got 20 acres in the middle of nowhere.
Not actively seeking conflict, but you want your merry band to be able to defend your stuff if need be.
>>30616373
sks runs like $450 nowadays. You can get a budget AR for like $500-550.Buy a lower and an upper and sometimes if you wait for a sale you can some good uppers with BCG/CH shipped free on PSA.
SKS $400 each easily bought.
AR15 $600 each easily bought/built.
AK47 $700 each easily bought.
SKSs are the least customizable but the most fool proof of the bunch, they're kinda hard to screw up.
AKs and ARs are more customizable, but easier to screw up.
Decent ammo prices are 25cpr for the AK and SKS, and 30-35cpr for AR.
>>30616351
SKS or AK.
I can get both for around 200€ and 300€ respectively. ARs are fucking expensive around my area.
This or cheap Kolash pistols, maybe a mix. The Swiss Miss might be harder to feed in the long run, but a good bolt gun is great for this innawoods stuff your describing.
>>30616456
This is also a valid option now that they make factory 20 rounders.
They're not pretty but they're damn reliable with an unbeatable warranty.
>>30616392
20 acres is a pretty small space
put two riflemen on each leg of the perimeter, and have two sentries patrolling the interior. give them each a savage axis in 308 and a few extra mags
if somebody comes up to the perimeter you stop them, if they get thru you alert the patrolmen and send reinforcements. reinforcements take one man from each perimeter team to search the interior. remaining riflemen move to the corners of the property rather than along the legs. this way you still have two sets of eyes covering each leg of the perimeter.
each man should have a radio as well.
Home made slam fires and aks
>>30616525
Sten guns not aks wew
>>30616453
>$450 to $500 per rifle
>60 cents per round
>If you can find it
>Still a bolt gun
>>30616420
>sks runs like $450 nowadays
try $300-$375 for a chinese and it wont shit itself on low quality ammo.
>>30616547
>>30616562
wolf gold. AR is worth the extra $200. mags > clips
>>30616351
Obligatory Mosin Nagant.
>>30616598
except $500 ARs arent worth the extra $200. low quality ARs are worth less than slavshit. if hes got the extra money to spend on brass ammo for training 5-10 people, he shouldve just bought mid-high ARs that can handle steel case instead of low quality guns with just above shit-tier ammunition.
>>30616456
Honestly the best solution posted. Cheapest practical semi-auto long gun for the situation.
Maybe give one or two of your guys something bolt action with a bit more range, but a semi-auto long gun is a must have for the bulk of your troops, even if it is the pistol caliber meme.
>>30616423
SKSes are way easier to screw up than AKs. Ever seen a noguns try to put a stripper clip in? It's like a retard fucking a doorknob
>>30616485
My brothers 995 ts carbine is a jamming pos. Plus the mags dont feed well and is very inaccurate
>>30616351
Can someone tell me what that rod on the side is?
I'm from California btw
>>30616933
Bayonet
>>30616811
Send it back!
What part of LIFETIME guarantee dont you understand?
>>30616933
Folding bayonet
>>30616967
>>30616974
OH SHIT
Thanks
It looked some kind of weird spare barrel or something
>>30616981
>>30616351
buy a crate of nuggets and some spam cans of 7.62x54r
>>30616981
k
>>30616994
that doesn't happen at a good price anymore, dumbass nogunz faggot
>>30616453
>K31
Enjoy having no ammo.
If you are Canadian then either:
>Russian SKS (300$)
or
>SVT-40 ($300-400).
>>30616766
It takes literally 5 minutes to teach someone how to use a stripper clip
Depends on the country.
Here in swissland if I want to quickly and cheaply arm people I would get K31s and Stgw 57s.
K31 is around 100 USD and a Stgw 57 is 300 USD.
>>30616392
Is there a power supply? Do we have fortifications? What vehichles do we have?
>>30616351
I have a shitload of Scars because all of my friends are retards whonbought one because of CoD then sold it to me for $120 or so when they had no idea how to use it, clean it, buy ammo, where to go, etc. and the new CoD came out so I'd go with those. For most people an SKS or low tier AR/AK would be better though
>>30618152
/k/anada fag, is ammo actually hard to find for this rifle? Ive been trying to decide on either a K31 or K98 but ammo is the only concern.
>>30619411
Its pretty hard to find.Can canucks order ammo online?If not ignore this rifle, if so that's still not that good considering it's still hard to find and it's expensive.
>>30616933
>>30616967
>>30616974
>>30616981
For further Clarification
>>30619443
>TFW you will never impale Wehrmacht German scum invading glorious Stalingrad for the glory of mother Russia
Why even live
>>30619370
K31 for $100
If Only it were that way in Murica.....
They're like $300+ here if you want one in nice shape.
>>30616351
I'd go with the HPC.
>hurr ugly plastic gun
And it works.
>pistol caliber derf herf
And when you run out of special snowflake Soviet Milsurp rounds in a week my guys will have 9mm for days
>>30619429
Yeah we have a few websites, alright thanks, Ill put some thought into it!
>>30619471
Many days*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I decided to poke around a bit for HPCs, found this. I'm really tempted to get it.
>>30619521
Fuck, the reserve is at $350, nvm
>>30619521
Consider ways to make it even more homosexual
>>30619471
A single shot from an SKS loaded with Leadtip or hollow point will put a nigger on his ass at 300 yards.
9mm can't reach out and touch people, and wont reliably penetrate even soft body armor, which will be everywhere in the INNAWOODS scenario, either on deserted law enforcement/military, active law enforcement/military, or looted from the abandoned armories of the above.. You'll expend 9mm at like 4 times the rate of the SKS fags, and the intimidation factor of the SKS/AK will save you ammo.
Surplus, Imported Russian and Domestically produced 7.62x39 is literally everywhere in America, it is the second most popular cartridge.
10/22?
$200 for rifle
$50 for good red dot
Reliable, easy to shoot, won't instantly blow your eardrums, easy to suppress, cheap ammo....
Only downside is lethality. Why won't ruger make a 32acp 10/22? That would be a good arm-your-neighborhood weapon..
>>30619535
It's a factory option
>>30619546
Because then it would be a 10/32
Why not jump up to .380 though
>>30619546
IMO the Nugget M44 is the ultimate arm your neighbor weapon.
It's cheap and reliable, simple to operate, rugged and plenty lethal.
Plus the neighbor you have to arm is a neighbor who probably doesn't know much about guns or firing discipline and should not be handed a a semi auto off the bat, he will waste all your ammo and not hit shit.
I would say break top shotgun? Make people conserve their ammo. Easily able to reload if you teach them how, plus it would instill value into their shots. Most can be had for around 150-200. Very easy to use without much exp just point and shoot. Plus no magazines or stripper clips for new shooters to lose. Ammo has a wide variety and uses.
But in my dreams I would say just go down to your local black market dealer in Cape Town South Africa and buy everyone a type 56 for 8$ usd
>>30619575
I love my m44 but it is stupid for this situation
Savage 308 bolt actions are 400% better
- easier to mount a scope
- less finicky with loading
- more accurate
- same cost, more or less
- much more ammo avalible
I'd choose 7.62x39 for being the cheapest round that can put down two and four legged blacks, and is good for deer too. I'd say SKS for the rifle.
>>30619591
I have like 5 M44s that I bought 15 years ago for $49.99 each.
>Easier to mount a scope. You're arming jimmy the retail clerk next door, he doesn't need a a scope, nor do you want him to have a scope, he is not a trained marksman, giving him a scope will make him think he is and he will try taking unnecessary shot that he cannot land, and possibly start fights that did not need to happen, you are giving him a gun to defend his life, not giving him a gun to carry out a guerilla war against the local police or local oppressive militia
>Less finicky with loading.
You have a point here.
>More accurate.
By the tiniest of margins, and again, you're not arming a trained sniper, at the ranges Jimmy will be shooting realistically, the miss will come from the man not the gun, My m44s will all put a bullet in a 4 inch circle at 300 yards, every single time, with open sights from a bench rest.
>Ammo.
7.62x54R is widely available and cheap, I keep a hundred rounds for each rifle, that's 20 reloads per gun, realistically that is weeks worth of ammo at minimum. If you find yourtself in a position to resupply 7.62x51 NATO ammunition from a military or police stockpile you have probably found yourself in a situation to appropriate a 7.61x51 weapon as well.
>>30616593
Before the Spectre it was the old 80% glock kit, and people would put the metal frame in the plastic body of an airsoft pistol.
>>30616351
>(preferably semi auto)
>posts picture of bolt action rifle
>implying OP is not retard faggot
>>30616456
Arguably the best choice if your budget is super tight
>$250-$300 gun
>ammo is 15-20 cents per round
But 9mm doesn't have the range as a rifle round obv and won't penetrate cover that well.
>>30619699
pref·er·a·bly
-adverb
ideally; if possible
As in if you had a good bolt action to suggest I'd like to hear it.
Thanks for your contribution.
>>30616351
>Decent AR15s can be had for the price of a nice handgun
>The AR15 is one of the most common rifles in the US and ammo & magazines are cheap and plentiful
>The AR15 is easy to use and maintain and has a large aftermarket
Clearly you want a Mini14.
>>30616351
Depends on the state, but for the most part PSA ARs made from kits. Buy around 20 kits build 15, save 5 for spare parts. Then buy a pallet of 5.56 or .223
>>30619453
Feels Ivan, feels.
>>30619401
You lied on the Internet. Just think about that for a second
>>30619370
That 57 is beautiful anon I think I just found my gunfu
>>30620753
Thanks man, it was from my uncle.
>>30619893
>most recent ruger mini-14's accept 5.56 as well as .223
Honestly, I really like the aesthetics of this rifle.
>that m1-garand-based action
>hnnnng!
>>30616351
I would say Mausers, but 8mm Mauser is sadly an uncommon round.
can't you still get those PAP ak pistols for ~500?
add a shoulder thing that goes up and you'll be more than equipped to defend your 20 acres from the ATF, now that they're coming for you
>>30621229
They sell ATF proof shoulder things that go up by calling them arm braces. The NFA is silly.
>>30616638
You can Ruger AR-556's for like $550 no problem.
That gun/price point is so good that it makes buying anything else pointless.
>>30616351
i've hear that Albanian SKS's are only around 300
>>30619370
>stgw 57
>300 usd
Kids!!!! We're moving to Switzerland!!
>>30621530
Good fuking luck, they only let in Nobel prize winners and women's rights advocates from Syria and africa
>>30621530
You'd really give up your "actual" firearms freedom just to own a few guns you currently can't here?
IIRC, sweden is extremely restrictive with "how" and "where" you use your guns compared to the US.
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I'm under the impression that you can't just go and do casual backyard shooting etc.
If I'm having to arm them, I assume they don't have their own guns or any training.
The Russians had a solution to that: the Mosin. Give Ivan ten minutes of training. "Is gun. Shoot. Put bullet here when need to shoot more."
Alternatively, a cheap Mossy 500 or Remmy 870 with 00 buck fits the bill too.
I'm not going to arm several people with firearms that I'm going to have to go back and monitor every five minutes as they try to figure out what some particular feature does.
IF I have time for a little training, then stock AR-15's (with iron sights, no fancy attachment shit) are great. Highly effective, and once the first round is chambered and the safety is off, hard to fuck up for the next 29 at least.
>>30622678
Switzerland is so pro gun that it puts the United States to shame.
>>30619329
It takes 5 minutes to learn how to field strip an AK yourself.
>>30616974
>91/30
>Folding bayonet
>Folding
Do what now?
>>30623298
>91/30
>>30619429
7.5 Swiss is expensive to buy new, but it uses a .308 projectile, so assuming you get good brass the first time, reloading is a breeze.
>>30616351
>2016
Not already owning enough guns to well arm every man woman and child in your extended family....
Top kek
>>30619678
>7.62x54R is widely available and cheap
false and false
>>30621229
You can buy an M92 or Draco for $500 and $525 free shipping right now. I wouldn't recommend it because they're loud as fuck, but it's an AK.
>>30616562
If you feel the need to arm ten people and you're not considering reloading you're doing it fucking wrong. Lead molds + lube + powder + annealing rig, preferably inductive = sustainable. You can pretty easily (relatively speaking) reload primers, too.
>>30616351
>Hypothetically, you need to arm 5-10 folks with rifles of a common caliber (preferably semi auto)
Yeah, that's like saying WAR: X vs Y (no nukes). It's just not how it works.
Survival, most are dead: AR-15, hands down. You can completely service an AR-15 with two pounds in hand tools. A couple pounds of lead and a couple ounces of tin, and you cast bullets.
Roof Korean Scenario / Seven Days: AR-15
other bullshit: AR-15
>>30616351
Why don't manufacturers in the US make SKS clones?
>>30616351
the answer is AK
>>30623298
it's an M44 ya dingus
>>30618152
>this fucking meme again
Privi is available year round at .80ish CPR but it's mainly reloading fodder and GP11 is available now and is seasonal. You fucking faggots spout the same horseshit over and over.
>>30621021
just ordered my ruger mini 14 tactical #5846. i cant sleep at night. one more week...then ill have someone to hold on ot
>>30616420
200$ in syrupland makes it he best choice for us
Single-shot break-open shotgun loaded with low-recoil buck. An orang-outang could figure out how to use it -- no possibility of freaking out and forgetting how to operate it. Also no possibility of panic/sympathy fire. Put a cartridge holder and a sling on it and your amateur militia can carry it hands free and always have ammo when they pick it up. Add a recyclable cloth grocery bag with more shells, bottled water, first aid kit, small flashlight, etc. and you're good to go.
>>30621276
This is correct. Idiots act like Ruger/S&W budget ARs are total pieces of shit because they spent 4x as much on their rifle.
Hawk 982?
- $180
- can shoot slugs out to 100m pretty accurately (enough to hit a man that is)
- 12ga is everywhere and very versatile
- ez to teach and operate - no magazines to loose
- durable and reliable
Buy some AK parts kits
>>30624954
Not worth it
Kits are what, $350?
Then $100 for a non-shit barrel
I'm pretty sure a $600 Wasr is a better deal......
>>30623298
This folly makes me pine for the days of yore. Alas, the golden age of /k/ and the nugget are long past.
FALs
FALs for everybody
>>30624969
The cost spread between 10 rifles would honestly make building worth it in this instance. Though I dunno if you could get an FFL and get wholesale prices for cheaper.
>>30624986
>the golden age of /k/ and the nugget are long past
>implying that poorfags who think they're hot shit with a nugget leaving is bad
>>30621021
I was leaning in that direction until I started looking at prices.
>>30616453
Cocking that looks like it would kill my finger after not too long. Also, have fun wearing gloves.
>>30626338
That's the safety. The bolt handle is the cylinder on the side.
https://youtu.be/vme90gayUzc
>>30619370
fucking mountain niggers
>>30625097
the new poorfag gun of choice is the HPC
expect to start seeing them mall ninja'd out constantly
>>30616351
SKS probably although the surplus has ran out and Chinese SKS aren't allowed in the US(they're cheap as fuck in Canada though).
Mosin is decent too.
What you have to consider is the ammo. You may somehow find a crate of MAS49 for pennies but that 7.5 French is going to kill your wallet. 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R are cheap as fuck.
Bumping for more good info.
>inb4
>>30616971
He hasnt ever thought of that..
>>30619370
Must have been cheap for Blofeld to arm all his henchmen.
>(preferably semi auto)
Auscuck here
>acquire cheap secondhand lathe, drill press, hydraulic press, tap and die set, a few other tools, and a spot welder
>manufacture pic related with whatever workarounds are necessary
>make our own ammunition with raw materials, because aussie ammo prices are dumb, also no paper trail
>manufacture blowback SMGs and pistols for .380/9x18mm Makarov
>steal utes and trucks as our gang of lawless outback hooligans and highwaymen grow stronger
>equip them with M2 Browning replica/ripoffs
>exponentially increase in strength until we take over the desert
You can go to Canadian tire and get an sks for 200 maple dollars. Then go and buy crates of 7.62x39 norinco for 289.00 for 1500 rounds. So for 10 guns and 4500 rounds I can arm 10 people for 3239.71 taxes in friends. And that is our shitty moose money. Then add 14 bucks for a sighting tool. Plus all the guns come with slings and ammo pouches. Not the best gear but it's use able. Maybe buy 3 or 4 cheap walkies and boom your set.
Stens tbqh.
>>30616659
>Long gun
>Anemic pistol calibres.
Uhuh.
>>30616351
Hi-Point 995 rifles with 20rd Redball magazines.
>>30629309
>master humongous backstory
>>30616351
Oh, for the good old days (that were only, what, like, 8 years ago?!)
>>30616351
Depends if you're in a no-problem-to-have-guns country or not.
In these places, I'd arm them with Garands or something like a .308 Zastava or similar (Mauser action .308).
>tfw removable mag semi-auto's are illegal.
>>30624946
Pump Actions in general are a good arm the people scenario. I think ideal for cost and simplicity would be nuggets and pumps.
If we're going off what OP originally said I honestly think some basic-bitch AR-15's would do just fine.
One last shameless bump.
Good info here, thanks /k/
