The Fighting Rifle
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ITT: We separate accessories and features for a civilian's fighting rifle into four categories:
Necessities: Without these, your odds of success and survival are extremely low in a firefight.
Good Accessories: These help the shooter's odds of survival and success greatly in a firefight.
Shooter Preference: These may or may not help the odds of success and survival in a firefight.
Bad Features or Accessories: These lower the odds of success and survival in a firefight, but idiots have them anyway.
Instead of detailing an elaborate scenario, let's just assume that this rifle is:
A. The one rifle that someone can own in their house for combat.
B. Only to be used for combat.
>>30614311
Sling
>>30614324
+1 nomination for 'necessity'
Having a sling on a rifle allows you to carry said rifle while freeing up your arms, while still having positive retention (i.e. not in the dirt/mud/where some asshole can steal it while you're not looking)
Good accessories: optics beyond just irons. Whether it uses batteries or tritium, fixed/variable/no magnification, it really helps to have an optic on your rifle.
>>30614385
the layout, according to OP is "only for combat".
while i agree a sling is very useful, if youre ONLY talking about combat, then a sling is at best a "good accessory". a sling doesnt decease "your odds of success in a firefight"
im just going by OP's words
>>30614311
>necessary feature
Semi if not full automatic
>good feature
Detachable box magazines.
>>30614311
>Necessities: Without these, your odds of success and survival are extremely low in a firefight.
A sling, red dot and flashlight.
>Good Accessories: These help the shooter's odds of survival and success greatly in a firefight.
Accessories that work for you and around you, not the other way around. Flashlight and IR lasers that are easily accessible and ergonomic to actuate. A well configured loadout that allows for quick access to a magazine. Huge plus on being able to shoot ambidextrously with a sling that facilitates ease of switching shoulders
>Shooter Preference: These may or may not help the odds of success and survival in a firefight.
Grip, stock and pistol grip
>Bad Features or Accessories: These lower the odds of success and survival in a firefight, but idiots have them anyway.
Overly bulky and poorly configured rifles. Hobby grade equipment on rifles with hard use in mind. Awkwardly placed flashlights in relation to foregrip location.
At the end of the day, no amount of gear or aluminum shits slapped onto your gun will make the difference between you living or you dying. You have to practice with it until every manipulation is made a subconcious effort.
For a shtf rifle, I'd have to say...
Necessary: semiauto, flashlight, solid Ironsights, sling
Good: powerful caliber, non-battery scope, decent flash hider, decent knife-like bayonet (if you don't have a dedicated shtf knife already)
Preference: bipod
Negative: anything that adds unecessary weight.
Plz add or critique this list folks, but I think it's pretty spot-on.
>>30614622
>sling
>necessary in a firefight
Nope.
>>30614646
Adding to preference: some kind of foregrip
>>30614453
>>30614453
>broken mags
Well, I have to say that's what you get when you go for the cell phone/stock photo combo.
Let me put up a not retarded image.
>>30614324
Damn right
>>30614663
>need to climb over wall
>bro, hold my rifle
>in a cqb situation and someone grabs onto your rifle
>lose control of your gun
>trip and fall
>lose control of your gun
>need to go hands on with something like moving an object out of way
>can someone hold my gun?
>fast roping out of a helicopter
>do you guys think my gun will make a drop from this height?
>need to drag an injured buddy away
>hold my rifle dude
>need to go low underneath a car
>rifle is flopping around awkwardly and you can't stabilize your shots
Yup totally useless. Holsters are fucking memes too right? Get learnt, nigger.
>>30614724
It's fun to play pretend.
>>30614663
Well, it's pretty close to necessary for the stuff that comes immediately before and after. As in if you have to climb over a wall you need a sling. If you want to treat a casualty without laying your rifle down, you need a sling. These are all things that improve the chance of a successful outcome. Maybe not important in a home defense situation where you want to barricade yourself in, but if you're actively prosecuting threats you want a sling.
>>30614726
>It's fun to play pretend.
Not an excuse. You specifically said they're not needed in a firefight. Don't try to backpedal like a little bitch.
It must be fun to only go shooting at your square range and then act like a retard on /k/.
>>30614776
And I stand by that, they're not. They can be circumstantially nice to have but can just as equally get in the way when you're not imagining operator situations that will never actually happen.
>>30614787
>And I stand by that, they're not.
And you're retarded because of that. Case closed.
>>30614622
Dat transition from the right hand to the left.
Also slings let you get that stabilization for distance shots. If your wobble zone is unacceptable at 200 from the kneeling you can sling up and lock it in for better precision.
>>30614787
>situations that will never happen
>situations that have literally happened to a ton of GWOT vets
These are common in modern urban combat, anon. If you're arguing you will never need to take place in urban combat that's a different argument.
What about a specific design of a firearm? For example lightweight barrels. Good idea or does that .10lb lighter barrel actually give you an advantage?
>>30614622
>not using a 12gauge shotgun for indoors
>>30614801
Haley is a hardcore motherfucker
https://youtu.be/PEdSrHuvmvE?t=558
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>>30614849
>What about a specific design of a firearm?
Automatic, Magazine fed
>barrel profile
Not super important, but slightly changes accuracy and longevity. If you gave a soldier a pencil barrel before battle then went back in time and gave him a heavy barrel before the same battle, chances are the results would be the same.
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>>30614646
>decent knife-like bayonet
Eh, I don't know about that...I'm guessing the benefits of having melee weapons in combat, especially those that would add length and weight to your rifle, are seldom realized.
>>30614726
>>30614787
>>30614311
bigger than .22
>>30615331
My heart hurts looking at that.
>>30615392
According to my fat as fuck cousin they're pretty good. I never tried one.
>>30614311
>Necessities:
detachable standard capacity magazines
Iron sights
Sling
Light
>Good
Optic
>bad
everything else
>>30615212
No doubt. That's why I broke op's rules and designated mine for all purpose shtf
>>30615607
>all purpose shtf
...but, that's my point. You wouldn't want a bayonet because it adds weight. Even if it isn't mounted on your weapon, they are shit for anything besides their primary intended purpose.
>>30615392
>>30615554
I'm a skellington and ate two in one sitting. Tastes fucking amazing, instant meat sweats, sauce gets in beard like a disgusting slob, all self respect vanishes. Pretty much the pinnacle of fast food.
>>30614801
it is pretty ez to do just try it out a bit
>>30614849
as long as it's at least semi auto, the details will not matter much. More capacity is better of course
>>30615689
>>30615331
in high school we made it a tradition to eat one at the end of every school year. The thing knocks me out for a couple hours after I eat it just because how much calorie is in it
>Necessities:
semi auto
mag fed
irons
>Good Accessories:
good cheek rest
optics
light
>Shooter Preference:
comfortable furniture / additional furniture, ie grips
honestly the only necessities are "gun" and "ammo for gun"
everything else is "pretty good to have"
this is what happens when you play semantics OP
>>30614622
>Those wall hanger boards at the very end
I want a bunch like that.
>>30615331
>The bread is chicken
FUck me I want one.
>>30615685
If it can double as a knife, then it can do knife things.
>>30615895
>honestly the only necessities are "gun" and "ammo for gun"
No. A muzzle-loader with a bag of balls and horn of powder is not a viable weapon system in a modern firefight you contrarian retard. If you brought these to bear in a firefight with anyone that had an AR-15 then, as OP said, your odds of success would be extraordinarily low.
>>30616075
>>30614646
if we're talkking about accessories to have on your rifle bayonets are useless
>>30615689
>>30615801
>>30616069
You're all disgusting.
>>30614311
>Necessity
Sling, Optic, Light, Ammo, Detachable Magazine, Semi auto or select fire.
>Accessories
IR laser, NVs, silencer
>Shooter preference
Surefire MB556 for my silencer
>Bad
Heavy shit, useless shit, too much shit.
>>30614434
>a sling doesnt decease "your odds of success in a firefight"
Bull shit it doesn't. Learn to sling up and git gud.
>https://looserounds.com/2015/03/27/the-art-of-slinging-up-using-the-usgi-web-sling-to-its-max-potential/
>>30614311
>bad accessories
Visible lasers
Bayonets
Old school parade style sling mounts
>>30618300
>live by the semantics, get rekt by the semantics
>>30614622
Webm source pls??
Cringe thread?
>>30619754
I can't tell which ones more cringe
The chick lean or that atrocious scope
Useless: Every kind of bolt-action rifle
>>30614787
If you actually get to shoot in the forests that YOU pay for with tax money, you'd appreciate having a sling. Humping 2-3 long guns a couple miles on foot is just NOT possible if they don't have slings. Both in the army and out I've found slings to be invaluable. They're a must have on all of my long guns that aren't ancient milsurp.
Go ahead and waddle your fat ass into your local indoor range and make sure you carry the weapon in your waifu case.
Others will be more properly equipped.
>>30614622
kinda bothers me he is still on safe while operating.
>>30614869
>not firing two blasts into the air
>>30619913
if that scope had rails for a bayonet it would be 10/10
>>30620098
Rucking =/= a gunfight
Those big dumbass quad rails and bright red leansed optics. Have fun getting picked off from a half mile away.
>>30620278
>quad rails
Oh god, this.
>>30614311
necessities: rifle, ammo
good accessories: magazines full of ammo
preference: optic, sling
bad: heavy quad rail
>>30614787
Lmao. Your lack of any experience/military training is showing. Is this nigger serious? Just kys. Any professional warrior is REQUIRED to have a slingslong on their battle rifle.
>lrn 2 run ur geer dckhead
>>30619359
Useless:
>quad rail
Can people stop using this meme mounting system already?
>>30619657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDC4E0M0VlU
>>30619359
Holy shit it's just cheap Chicken Cordon Bleu basically, or is that EEWW GROSS HEART ATTACK too?
>>30620594
How fat are you?
>>30614311
N: Irons, backup or primary. Sling. Good magazines. Good ammo. Good cleaning kit and lube. Forward assist if applicable.
GA: Light, foregrip, short-mid range optics, tasteful rails, comfy furniture.
SP: Modified charging handle, bolt release, etc. Fresh trigger. Ranger Plates. Suppressors.
BA: Lasers. Side-mounted BUS or anything like that. 1000 meter optics on a fighting rifle. Bayonets. Faggy muzzle-break. Serious use of steel-cased ammo.
These are only my opinions influenced by preferences adopted in my experiences and training. Any opinions displayed in this post may be skewed by situational bias. Worth exactly what you paid for them.
