Hey /k/,
For years i've been wanting to get a handgun.
I want my first to be a 9mm.
Can't decide which. For a while I was leaning towards a glock 19 since it is so highly recommended by so many folks. (Hickok45)
But all my friends have differing opinions.
My list ATM of guns I am deciding between but haven't held yet are;
1. Glock 19
2. Cz75 Full size or Compact (15rd limit in NJ)
3. Sig P320
Why would I choose Glock 19 over p320. For me so far I hear glock 19 has lower bore axis so it may have lower recoil? Also mags are cheaper and perfect size for my state.
I love the look of cz75 and glock but the p320 looks kinda ugly to me. However I like the idea of caliber switching.
Any suggestions I am pretty much open to anything as I still have a month or two before my handgun purchasers card even arrives.
>>30596944
HK uspc
>>30596944
If its going to be a carry gun, G19. If its a range pistol, CZ-75.
I prefer my Glock 19 to my Sig SP2022, The recoil doesn't feel quite as snappy. Either one is quite adequate though. Never shot the P320, I too think it's ugly.
>>30596944
>Why would I choose Glock 19 over p320.
It's 0.3 inches thinner in width. A consideration if you're looking for the thinner gun for cc.
>glock 19 has lower bore axis so it may have lower recoil?
This is such complete hogshit and I'm genuinely saddened how /k/ perpetuates this high bore axis meme.
High bore axis doesn't do jack shit to a gun. It's funny, nobody ever mentions the 1911 having a high bore axis yet it's considered to be an extremely shootable gun. It's a complete non issue. The majority of /k/ is fucking awful at shooting at speed still they make a big fucking deal out of "high bore axis".
>>30596944
Barreta 92fs
>>30596944
Glawk brand glawk. Accept nothing less than Perfection
>>30596972
I like cz75 but 15rd mags aren't standard. I'd have to order the shitty 10 rd version or the compact.
>>30596944
Higher bore axis creates more muzzle flip, however it doesn't really make a difference.
Most likely, you're not going to be switching calibers with the P320.
The P320 has a better trigger out of the box and feels much nicer in my experience but
if you think the P320 is ugly, I wouldn't buy it, don't buy a gun if it isn't appealing to you.
>>30596944
Hk45
Btw I can't carry it. I am considering compact for mag size and I have smallish hands.
>>30597118
>I am considering compact for mag size and I have smallish hands.
They do have different size grip modules. All P320's first come with the medium size grip and then you can purchase the smaller grip.
How does compact Cz compare to full size?
CZ sells 15rd mags on their site but they don't seem to offer a NJ based hi-cap model that has 15 rounders.
Are Glock stock sights really as shitty as folks say?
>>30597163
they're roughly the same size.
>>30597163
>How does compact Cz compare to full size?
slightly more recoil. not as compact as you really want in a ccw gun. you can still carry it but its on the line of comfortable and uncomfortable. you can do it but better options exist.
>Are Glock stock sights really as shitty as folks say?
no
they are perfectly usable unless you decide to use the plastic sights as a hammer after dragging the gun down 100 feet of highway
>>30597163
If you want a CCW CZ, you should look into the RAMI or the CZ-83
>>30597231
Once again this will just be a range gun/learning to shoot.
Consider the m&p 9. Full sized or compact. I carry the FS every day and love every second of it. Do much that I sold my 19 to make my m&p a full time carry gun
>>30597374
buy the compact if you like it better than the fullsize then. just hold both and pick.
>>30597390
I don't like the look of the short grip.
>>30597031
You're an idiot who doesn't understand physics. Longer moment arms can be objectively measured and compared.
what about revolvers?
I would really love to buy one soon.
>>30597031
Meanwhile, top competitors still advocate and demonstrate the advantages of a lower bore axis. And everyone's plenty happy to talk about why the AR15 is so great with its in-line recoil forces. Or even the goddamn Chiappa Rhino for an extreme example of low bore axis being beneficial.
>/k/ is fucking awful at shooting at speed
Project more, please
>>30597031
My glock 19 has considerable less flip than my USPC (inb4 hk fags)
I call BS on your comment
>>30596944
Strongly recommend shooting both before buying. Go to a range that has rentals and try them. I rented every 9mm my local range had before buying. It was a toss up between an HK P30 and a CZ75, and the price tags decided that for me.
That being said..
I love my CZ75B and it's a gun I'm not selling, ever, if I can help it. Just didn't enjoy shooting the Glock. Though, for all that the slogan is "Glock Perfection", there sure are a LOT of aftermarket parts to improve on perfection..
FWIW though, some people LOVE the Glock Grip - I'm just one of the minority where absolutely everything about the grip/weight rubs me the wrong way.
Pic related. This CZ has been my EDC since 2014. The hogue grips are a huge improvement over the factory grips, imo. Sorry for potato quality, no access to a better camera atm.
>>30597505
When you are looking for a certain result you will often find it. What are your split times like? Show us some measurable results instead of hurr durr muzzle flip bore axis bro.
>>30597493
>Meanwhile, top competitors still advocate and demonstrate the advantages of a lower bore axis
>And everyone's plenty happy to talk about why the AR15 is so great with its in-line recoil forces.
This isn't even related to the topic at hand. Please stop posting, your ignorance is showing.
Which is why many of them shoot 1911's competitively?
>>30597505
https://youtu.be/L0XzG7aq-9g?t=264
>>30597548
Man I love the appearance of all CZ75 pistols but fucking 16 round default mag size fucks my state.
I guess I could get 10 rd and just buy a bunch of promag 15rd or factory ones.
What I dont understand is that CZ has factory 15rd magazines but doesn't offer a pistol with them standard for ban states.
>>30596944
Try out a few, seriously. At least go to a gunshop and hold them in your hands for a while.
I´d personally prefer the CZ75.
My glock 19 has over 6,000 rounds through it without a single hiccup. I would trust it over any of the other funs you mentioned IMO.
You don't say whether you'll be CC or not, but I'll assume you are. I can comment on a few that I carry:
Glock 30 - It's a .45. 10+1. Decently small, if a little blocky (hey, it's a Glock.) Accurate. This is my second most carried. I do love it, but I wish it had a thumb/slide safety. I don't feel comfortable carrying it with one in the chamber with just the trigger "safety," and I don't feel great carrying it without one in the chamber, either. You can read volumes about Glock trigger safeties - the bottom line is they are good guns, and you won't have to muck about with a thumb/slide safety, but you have to get used to no "real" safety and a light trigger pull if you aren't. Not forgiving of mistakes, those Glocks.
S&W Airweight Model 642 - My favorite for CC. .38 hammerless. Slides right into my pocket with a Desantis Nemesis holster, almost no printing. Ready in an instant. Like most revolvers, no safety but a strong trigger pull in double action makes that moot. On-the-fly accuracy is what you'd expect from a snubnose but I'm not planning on 50 yard shots anyway. 5 rounds is a bit of a drag, but the plus is I can quickly throw this in my shorts pocket running to the gas station.
Beretta 92FS - I wish I could find a convenient way to CC this every day. It's fairly large, but it's one of the smoothest handguns I've ever shot. 15 rounds of 9mm standard mags. Accurate, balanced, feels great. Ends up being not carried much except in winter when it's easier to conceal, or when I'm not switching between sitting and standing often.
S&W 686 - .357, 6 shot, 6" barrel. Not the most concealable to be sure. But - it's extremely accurate, well balanced, feels great in the hand. In my state, OC is allowed when hunting, fishing, or camping, and that's usually when I carry this. As a plus, OC with a revolver doesn't startle the vacationing family that might stumble on me fishing or camping as much as a semiauto can.
>>30598108
6,000 rounds and you still haven't removed the plastic sights
Such a pitiful existence you live...
>>30598290
No holster wear or significant wear on the barrel hood, either.
>>30598290
That was the first picture I took of it literally day one out the box. I have trijicon HD night sights with yellow dot and wear it in a Galco kingtuk IWB
>>30598290
what difference does the sights make?
>don't use em anyway
>>30598560
>I have trijicon HD night sights
Much better.
While you are at the fun store handle a walther PPQ. I never really took notice in them till i held one, then i fell in love. The ergonomics and trigger and amazing.
>>30596944
I suggest you handle them and maybe even try them before deciding.
The Glock is popular, but it's not for everyone, some people don't like the ergos or trigger.
If it's your first pistol, I'll suggest a full sized one, it's easier to learn with.
I like how the CZ75 feels and handles, I'm a big fan of DA/SA pistols and metal frames, but you might not, and you should try it before buying.
>>30596972
The CZ75 is available as a compact.
>>30597031
Bore axis DOES matter, ever shot a Mauser C96? It flips like shit.
The difference isn't usually noticeable in most pistols these days, but it sure as shit is an actual thing, some pistols don't balance as well in some people's hands.
>>30597050
Good pistols, but for some people it's too big for their hands. Also with a 15rd limit you're not getting the full potential of it, justifying it's size; flush fitting 18rd mags.
>>30598858
I will have to molest them at the gunstore.
Any solution for 15rd magazine problem on CZ?
>>30598858
>Bore axis DOES matter, ever shot a Mauser C96? It flips like shit.
This guy is seriously comparing the ergonomics to the C96 and a modern polymer handgun.
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>>30596944
USPc
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https://www.cdnnsports.com/hk-usp-45acp-compact-v1-stainless.html?___SID=U
or 9mm for 40 less
>>30599632
For the CZ-75? Regular 15rd flush fitting mags should be commonly available, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
>>30599653
I provided it as an example, if you fucking read what I typed you'd see that my point was that bore axis makes a difference and can make the difference for how a gun feels for a person.
>>30599863
Im asking should I get the actual name brand ones or will promags function fine?
Is $40 normal to pay for a handgun mag? Why are Glock mags so fucking cheap?
>>30600952
I couldn't actually tell you why Glock magazines are so cheap, but they do work great. I'm guessing it's the lower cost of polymer.
As for ProMag, avoid this brand, almost everything that's made under this label is worthless junk, they sometimes work briefly but they're often made with cheap and weak plastic, they usually wear out fast and stop working properly, the only thing I'd buy a ProMag for is to practice clearing feeding jams
What a mag costs kind of depends on brand and ubiquity, $40 isn't outside the realms of reality, but see if you can find the same product for cheaper online.
MecGar is a good brand, to the point that they officially make Beretta's pistol magazines now, but aside from that, factory CZ magazines are already pretty good, and you're limited to your 15rd mags, which is kind of oldschool for the CZ75 (but by no means bad, it's still more than twice the average revolver), finding old 15rd CZ mags in alright condition shouldn't be hard.
>>30599863
>I provided it as an example
And it's a pretty fucking bad one. A C96 is unable to accomodate the similar grip you can use on a modern handgun.
Next time, please refrain from talking out of your ass when there's more experienced people discussing a certain topic you know nothing about.
>>30597163
Glock sights are fine. Just gotta get used to them
>>30597163
As with all things Glock, it's a matter of taste, they're alright or good for a lot of people, but you might not like them very much.
>>30600952
>Is $40 normal to pay for a handgun mag? Why are Glock mags so fucking cheap?
Economy of scale. Same reason ARs are so much cheaper than other semiauto rifles.
There are more Glock mags being produced than the next 5 most popular brands combined.
P320
Jericho 941 F (or the ones without the slide safety)
PPQ/P99
CZ-75 B
XD
TP9V2/SF
The biggest thing is actually going to a store and holding each of them and trying out the triggers before you buy.
>>30596944
for my first handgun i bought a full sized usp 45. i wanted to have full control over the gun and be able to carry it (lol) however the case may be
wanted the mk23 but lol faggyfornia
why not buy a usp 9?
im considering one as my next purchase since ammo here is marked up to ludicrous prices
>>30601083
God I would never be able to shoot this gun.
Does cz do any regular blued cz75?
How strong is "Paint" finish?
>>30602565
I don't actually know if CZ does the CZ75 in blued these days.
The paint finish should hold up, but if you don't like it, you could get a gunsmith to strip the finish and have it proper blued or cerakote'd (very strong ceramic 'paint', pic related is a 'tungsten' colored one, there exist faux blued cerakote finishes too, but mind you, this isn't free)
The pistol in that picture is just a stainless gun, except it's been given a very thourough polish to look really shiny, people will sometimes do that to old stainless 1911s and Colt Pythons.
>>30596944
FNS-9
How is this not the obvious answer is FN's advertising really that nonexistent?
What's you guys opinion of the VP9?
>>30605636
FNS9 is alright.
>>30605646
Only 15rd mags in a full sized modern 9mm.
And supposedly it wont fire if it gets wet
>>30605646
If you want a H&K 9mm, get a P30 or USP, the VP9 is kind of really disappointing.
