GEE WHAT A FUCKING COINCIDENCE. nothing like getting a form you have been waiting on for 4 months kicked back because the cunt examiner said SR-15 should not the "-" in it. terrorism has been defeated today gg ATF. Holy fuck I am mad
Nice blog.
>>30589288
My Form-1 for SBR was denied today. Reason was "INCORRECT MODEL AND/OR SERIAL NUMBER."
Really not sure what is incorrect about it. It is a Century M92. I put M92 as the model. The serial number is M92PVXXXXX. It is written that way on the receiver and on the bolt. That is how I wrote it in the form.
I tried calling them and of course they were closed because it was 4:30pm and I had just gotten home from work. The denial says I have to resubmit and be put at the back of the line and their automated voicemail thing said wait times are currently at 6 months. I'm so fucking mad right now because I won't be able to call them tomorrow because I have a job, and by the time 41f goes into effect I wont have been able to resubmit. Then I have to get my brother's fingerprints and passport photo while he is overseas because he is on my trust.
Fuck the ATF. Fuck them so hard.
>>30589404
holy fuck are you me they did the exact same to me today. who disapproved yours? lauren? I think they are doing it on purpose.
>>30589431
YUP.
What precisely did you put for it? I'm going to call on lunch or something and if it's because the serial starts with M92PV, I'm going to email them a photo of the side of the receiver while my "FUCK THE ATF" mag is inserted and clearly visible.
>>30589491
that chick is a fucking cunt she has kicked back three forms of mine for bullshit. I put it as m92 because that is what is stamped on the side of the fucking gun
>>30589431
get a load of this one I got an hour ago
>>30589523
yeah dude I put the same thing. Did she want M92PV? because that would be a ridiculous thing to send a form back for.
>>30589537
are you the same M92 guy?
>>30589779
yup
This is why I'm Form 1ing an 80% lower. Hopefully they won't be able to say I haven't future not engraved it properly...
>>30589804
I was in such a rage when I saw the email. Definitely getting "fuck you commie" or some variant of that engraved on the left side when I get it sent in for my trust info.
Going to tell the engraving company to 'make sure everyone can see it'
>>30589288
Nigga correct it and send it back they don't make you restart you stupid shit
Can someone fill me in on what happens after 13July? New regulations or something?
>>30590017
you are the stupidest person I have ever encountered. are you even reading what the red is saying here >>30589537. it says in plain English that you have to restart the process all the way back from the top of the pile. I know reading comprehension might be a foreign concept, you inbred cousin fucking retard but try to keep up for the rest of our sake.
>>30590017
I have had to resubmit before.... For a similar issue. But i wasnt issued a refund. It was just a quick call to my examiner , and a fax. But this was back in the good old days of 2008.
>>30589523
Shouldnt it have been M92 O-Pap or m92 N-Pap or M92 Pap?
Thank you for the constant paranoia that is making me worry about my two pending stamps
>>30589537
>>30589491
I dont know why you two didnt just use the dropdowns to insert the exact line item you have
>>30589523
In your case.... If it is the centery m92 pistol. Then the correct model is M92 PV
>>30590152
spoiler: both those were from the drop downs killer
>>30590168
That extra sucks.
>>30590071
Call the ATF you whiny wrong bitch they'll explain it to you since you don't understand.
>>30589537
Should you have put KAC in front?
"KAC SR-15 SBR"
>>30590168
>spoiler: both those were from the drop downs killer
Thats kind of fucked up but still you should have verified that was what was actually on your lower/akpistol. SR-15 SBR most likely is for factory SBRs so there is a reason for that to be there.
>>30590192
I think you may be retarded
I bet it should have been kac sr-15 sbr.
But that you pulled it from the drop down they should accept it.
Obamas atf just doing their job.
>>30590017
I work during their business hours tomorrow. I also happen to work in a secure facility where cell phones aren't allowed. If I don't submit it tomorrow, then I have to go through all the 41f nonsense, which requires myself and everyone on my trust (the other trustee is unavailable at this time) to submit fingerprints and a passport photo. So to me that means I wouldn't get this SBR for at least a year because it got denied for some stupid reason.
>>30590152
I did numbnuts.
>>30590192
>PLEASE NOTE: DUE TO THE HIGH VOLUME OF APPLICATIONS IN PROCESS, IF/WHEN YOU DECIDE TO RESUBMIT THE EFORM REQUEST WILL BE PROCESSED IN ORDER RECEIVED
I bet they just want your fucking photos and fingerprints
>>30590317
I have a clearance they already fucking have them
>>30590342
any excuse to slow the possessions of babykilling assasin weapons of mass destruction
>>30590342
if you are the other M92 guy I am going to be super weirded out. Same denial, same gun, same reason, and we both have a clearance? Please say you're not a 1N0 because that would weird me the fuck out.
Also, a friendo of mine is saying 'PAP M92PV' is what should be submitted as the model, not M92, and he passed me this link. Maybe all is not lost?
https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2014/07/what-to-do-if-your-atf-eform-i.html
>>30590367
kek yeah that's me and nah I'm an MMN baby girl. good find but I am going to call and talk to an examiner tomorrow and get a 100% definite answer. I am done with this fucking guessing bullshit
>>30590405
wew. That would have been too close. I am going to try and sneak out of work sometime tomorrow and call these assholes too.
>>30590444
they open at 0800 eastern so I am calling the niggers first thing
>>30589288
oh fuck i think i have the same mistake.
>>30589288
>>30589404
>>30589431
When did you file?
>>30590725
may 24th
What happens to efile after 41F?
How will they do photo and prints? Will efile die?
>>30589288
Make the changes and get it in and you should have it back within a couple weeks at most. I don't think 41F will effect you because you're already in the system on that form.
>>30590725
I sent mine in sometime in March
>>30590750
Damn that was fast. She must have saved a bunch of and stamped them all denied!
>>30590805
did you even read the fucking thread?
>>30590808
no they get to them within a month or two. then they let them sit for another 4 months.
>>30589288
Wasting time and money on anything related to the ATF or goverment approval. I hate to be that guy. You guys are getting exactly what you deserve. it's not about following laws, its about butt fucking the law abiding like us. Stop trying to play by rules, you are living in system that will not even charge a trader with treason. I will never understand how you guys will, willing open yourselves to gov intrusion. It's like you nfafags are pro jeb, pro 1986 ban. Pro Fascism.
>>30590880
I love my puppy though
>>30590907
Jokes aside, I'm glad you guys will be the first that get raided when freedom dies. The rest of us will be greatly appreciative of the heads up. Enjoy being elite mall ninja's
>>30590968
Nobody lives forever anon
>>30590277
do it on your lunch break. i play on my phone when i get out of the vault and need a break from my life.
>>30590968
its alright the ATF doesn't raid houses looking for airsoft guns and gay porn so I don't even think you were at a risk to begin with
>>30590968
Happening when
>>30589288
shiet, I almost had this happen to me. I'm trying to make a Stakeout with my Ithaca 37 and they kicked back my forms to me because I put "Model 37 Featherlight" instead of just "37 Featherlight". Thankfully, I just had to remove 'model' from section 4d and I sent it back on it's way.
>>30589288
Trust fags are getting blown the fuck out and thats a good thing.
This is what we get for exploiting loopholes in the NFA paperwork. If you faggots didn't abuse trusts because of "M-MUH WAIT TIMES" OR "MUH CLEO SIGNATURE" then this wouldn't have been happening.
Trusts were never designed for literally any tom, dick, and harry to have.
>>30591069
Whoa there Alex shouldnt you be back at TFB?
>>30591069
muh elitism
>>30591069
41F is actually a net gain for individual owners, isn't it? The only change I know is CLEO getting BTFO
>>30591069
>Muh being able to let my family use muh suppressors back at the farm without my presence.
I went trust for a reason.
>>30591069
fuck off alex
>>30591080
>>30591090
>>30591106
>>30591113
>abusing a legal fiduciary agreement to buy more toys
>everyone and their mom starts to do it.
>ATF getting swamped with trusts which were never designed with this intent in mind
>ATF alters trust requirements so as not to allow crimes or prohibited persons to acquire unusually dangerous firearms
>"REEEEEEEE FUCK YOU ATF!!!"
I bet you guys are the same retards who peppered the ATF with questions regarding your TOTALLY NOT A SHOULDER STOCK arm braces.
>>30591159
So then how would you go about leaving suppressors at a shared home and still be in the legal green light, without a trust? I'll wait..
>>30591159
Arm braces are totally not shoulder stocks though.
>>30590968
Not thinking iny arf forms are just a honeytrap.....
Jokes on them i dont own dogs, just a 1000 specially raised attack rabbits
>>30591210
Too drnk to tyype
>>30589404
Atleast you can refile tomorrow
I filed for my stamps in mid june so if I get denied I have no chance to not deal with 41F
>tfw probably fucked something up
>tfw cant check because eforms is down because the gov wrote it in java
>>30591187
That's a non-issue and you know it.
>>30591273
I'd be a lot less depressed about them having a Java based backend if they devoted any effort at all to their front-end or knew what the fuck error handling is.
>>30591159
unusually dangerous? get the fuck out of here. you sound like a fucking faggot.
>>30591292
>Java anything
As someone who fucks peoples security up for a living I can without a doubt tell you that anything written in java is going to be horseshit
Java is the fucking bryco-jennings of the computer world
>>30591341
money says they're dumb enough to be vulnerable to SQL injection
>>30591398
>Throwing SQL injection at DOJ website
Dont be this stupid
>>30591187
Why the fuck would I want to do that?
>>30591398
Probably not. If it was that simple someone would have done it ages ago and it would have been fixed. The ATF has a large profile so they couldn't possibly be that far behind the times. They probably are targeted a lot.
/b/tards and stampcucks mad that they can't give the government $200 for a right they already have
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>30591159
Oh wouldn't want people to have unusually dangerous firearms, regularly dangerous firearms are bad enough. Think of how many more children might die.
>>30591280
I don't own any NFA, so I'm ignorantly curious myself.
>>30591418
>live with family/roomates
>go on vacation
???
>>30590017
WRONG. It happened to me on my SBR lower. I am going to shit fire down my local branch's throat if the Form 1 I submitted for my MP5 clone gets denied for some fucking pedantic bureaucratic fuckery
>>30589288
>gunbroker
>/a/
>/b/
>/d/
>/wsg/
>/gif/
>>30592336
Why do they have access to your safe?
>>30591210
Just look at the teeth! THE BONES!
>>30591069
>Trusts were never designed for literally any tom, dick, and harry to have.
Not exactly -- they were most definitely designed for dicks by dicks.
>>30590880
this times a million. the nfa threads are sickening.
ITT the joys of bureaucracy
>>30591036
Never. Get over it.
>>30589308
fuck up
>>30593815
The banality of evil.
M92 guy here, called the ATF and the dude was a dick. Told me it was my SERIAL NUMBER. I said it was listed exactly as it is on my receiver. He said to send in a picture but eforms are down so I have to send in a photo of my receiver postmarked today. I'm at work so I can't do that. Fuck the ATF
I don't get why people pay for the sbr/and stamp. It isn't like they're watching who buys pistol barrels and folding stocks.
"Oh, the krink is just what I carry on the car! I'm gonna put that side folder on my full length AK"
>>30594262
Because I can't take it to any public range or take any pics of it. It's a felony to have an unregistered SBR. Maybe if I lived on a farm out in the country and could shoot whatever, whenever, but but I live in an apartment in the city so my options are slim.
>>30591101
Yes but you have to submit fingerprints and a mugshot.
>>30594781
Not him but I am a little confused, I am 22 never bought any kind of NFA item, but how would I send my fingerprints and mugshot on a digital form and where would I even go to get fingerprinted and get the "government approved" picture, the police station?
Do I need to send my prints and picture every time I buy an NFA item? if I have a trust with the ATF do I only need to do that once?
So does the ATF deliberately move at a glacial pace, have absolutely retarded business hours, and be entirely obtuse and inefficient?
Obama's administration is really kicking and screaming in the most petty ways about that entire "Second Amendment rights" thing.
Resubmit your revised application and write down your new permit number. Then email Ted Clutter ([email protected]) and tell him about whatever issue you had with your original application. Include original application date and permit number.
Ask Ted *politely* if he would be able to spare the time to both look at and expidite your new application. When I did this back in January, I got my stamp next day. Make sure to offer him your time if you need to make any corrections.
>>30594854
Probably scan them in high quality like you do with trust documents currently.
I have no idea.
SilencerShop is sending kiosks out to their dealers do handle all of this so there must be some kind of digital method.
>>30595057
Yes. Pretty certain they do considering how big of an asshole the ""customer"" service guy was when I called this morning. I have to have my shit postmarked for today, but unless I was able to leave work, go take serial number pics (because lauren the cunt doesnt think my serial starts with M92PV) and print them along with a written form 1 and get them to the post office by like 11am because their shitty java based website is down.
Fuck the atf so hard.
>>30591457
This. The entire National Firearms Act is an unconstitutional backdoor tax prohibition loophole put into law by the political elite.
>>30597785
Also remember that the BATFE, despite their insistence on playing soldier and breaking into houses to shoot dogs, is A FUCKING TAX AGENCY. They're part of the treasury, set up during prohibition, and they have no business existing.
>>30595057
The ATF for all of it's many faults is basically operating on barebones staffing. The amount of guns/forms being sent has SKYROCKETED in the last few years and there's no way in hell they can handle it. They are being dragged kicking and screaming into the light. At least they have eforms.
>>30591159
I guess you're gonna be anal devasted then after you read this document.
https://nfalawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/41F-Amendment.pdf
This will take away the need for all parties but the creator of the trust to get the fingerprints and photos taken for the form1/4
>>30598427
So only the creator of the trust can possess the NFS items. Basically the same as filing an individual
>>30594208
I was the one with the other m92. I called lauren directly she said the model was supposed to be PAP M92 PV and that if you send in a paper form 1 and screw up they can send it back for corrections under the old ruling. electronic is go or no go they cant have you fix it.
>>30594208
Post office will mark it till 12:00pm. Just do it on your lunch break.
Or maybe down wait till the last min.
>>30598795
Ouch.
>>30590880
if you cant do the time, dont do the crime
and jail is for people younger than i am.
im all for civil disobedience, but understand the penalties before proceeding with the intended action...
Abolish the ATF.
There is literally nothing they do that can't be done by the local sheriff.
Except for shooting dogs, of course.
am I being paranoid I dont want to provide my finger prints or photos?
>post office closed
>lgs closed due to power outage
>eforms down
>>30598795
>>30598806
So its 630 on the 12th. I'm fucked right?
>TFW no printer
>>30597844
son, atf havent been revenuers for decades.
they're under justice now and have been for a long time.
>>30598706
wouldnt that be the trustee?
>>30598926
i guess it is whenever the post office by you closes. unless you have a someone that can post mark it for the day before or some shit I dunno man
As soon as they feel like persecuting though, they'll be there. Rest assured.
>>30598944
>it is the day before
>>30590880
>Hurr Durr I'm a sovereign citizen
fuck off NSF
>>30598972
I mean post mark it as the 12th even thou it is the 13th
>>30598795
>TFW sent out 5 form 1s today.
Worth taking a half day, 2BH.
>>30598926
Airport post offices will generally post mark stuff until midnight.
>>30599108
5 paper...
>>30594262
Because they are cucked bitches. Participating in the system is accepting the trampling of your natural rights. And not only that you're paying $200 a whack for the privilege. It's also why it will never be fixed.
Learn to be free faggots.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
although the constitution is shit and doesn't work, this is the natural progression of the state no matter how it is formed. The market can do a better job
This is honestly for the best.
Too many lives are lost every day due to assault hyphens.
>>30590071
No. I've been denied. I fixed and resubmitted. It was approved in 3 days. That's how it usually works.
Most likely atf is playing by special buearacratic rules to make more people resubmit after the deadline and send finger prints and pics.
>>30591069
>>30591159
Yea using it as the only legal means to get nfa because my Cleo wouldn't sign is really abusing it. And yea glhf having the fucking story general etc sign in CT as an alternative.
And what's this not designed for bullshit? A trust is legal entity that can own assests. Nfa in a trust is nothing more than an asset of the trust.
>>30591273
I'm pretty sure reforms are out on Wednesdays...
>>30599158
>Learn to be free faggots.
>commit a felony
FBI go
>>30598706
sure, until you turn around and add trustees back after the NFA transfer is complete
>>30594854
You can get passport photos at the post office, UPS/FedEx, and a lot of places. It usually costs about $5-15.
