I'm lusting after a Henry in 45-70 and I need some straight talk.
I've never had a centerfire lever action. Are they shit?
Is Henry shit?
Is 45-70 shit for innawoods, innawoods animal defense and duurrr huntin?
Are lever actions just useless fudd shit?
>>30588428
I don't like the Henry because it lacks a loading gate, and you've gotta use the poverty tube like it's a giant .22.
But that's prejudice, I don't know if they are actually strong or not.
>>30588447
I was recommended the Henry over the Marlin because apparently Marlin has shit quality control now.
>I've never had a centerfire lever action. Are they shit?
No, they're wonderful. I love my Marlin.
>Is Henry shit?
It's only shit if you're allergic to muzzle-end tube loaders. Otherwise the build quality is pretty nice.
>Is 45-70 shit for innawoods, innawoods animal defense and duurrr huntin?
45-70 will kill the shit out of any animal in North America. People use them on moose, grizzly, and polar bears. The only downside for durrhuntan is that it makes a huge hole in the animal so you lose a bit more meat.
>Are lever actions just useless fudd shit?
Fuck no, they're awesome.
>>30588459
Marlin's quality has been improving again. If you can find a Marlin 1895SBL with decent build quality (no sharp edges, good fit and finish, etc.) it's the best 45-70 around for innawoods.
>>30588462
30-30 or 45-70?
Also I heard the bullet drop on the 45-70 is fucking crazy.
>>30588492
.30-30. The 45-70 trajectory is a crazy rainbow which I suppose would help if I was trying to volley fire at a bear from behind boulder cover.
>>30588529
but does it have the power of the 45-70?
>not going for .45-120 sharps
>>30588541
No. The rainbow only kicks in after 100 yards or so, so .45-70 is still more powerful overall.
>>30588562
Or you fucking fuds could enter into the 21st century and use a 308 or 30-06 which is far superior to your blackpowder designed rounds.
>>30588492
44 mag
>>30588447
Unless you plan to use the gun tactically, who cares about having a loading gate? Who would need to reload a level action under duress?
>>30588428
Get a 30-30 instead. 45-70 was a blackpowder round and has piss-poor ballistics for its heavy recoil.
>>30588596
who indeed
>>30588447
>a poverty tube
Haha wtf
>>30588596
I do. Henry's method of reloading is a retarded idea that should have been engineered out of existence.
>>30588589
>>30588589
Yeah man everyone should own a tacticool AR platform for every round. Cuz that's fun.
>>30588657
Merely pointing out that bolt actions are far superior to lever actions.
>>30588699
No they aren't
>>30588705
Stronger action, tighter lock up, easier to load. etc etc etc.
You could buy an SKS and get a much better rifle OP. 45-70 is shit. Lever actions are obsolete.
>>30588861
7.62x39 isn't going to kill a bear fast enough to do you any good.
Get a Ruger #1 in .375 H&H Magnum. This round will take down any animal on the planet. Charging bull elephant, no problem. Charging rhino or hippo, no problem. Dindus chimpin' out, no problem.
>>30588935
I'd argue 7.62x39 would do excellently due to several factors.
-bullet shape
-bullet speed
-Ease of follow up shots (semi auto)
-Size of internal magazine (10 rather than 4-5 for 45-70)
>>30588657
I wish they made an affordable, modern day AR in .30-06. For now, the closest I'm going to come is a BLR.
>>30588756
What is winchester 95?
>>30588935
>implying AKs aren't used by niggers to poach rhinos and elephants
>>30588952
.45-70 has a lot more energy bud.
I have an SKS and I love it but it's not ideal for dangerous animals.
>>30588593
This
Same power as trapdoor .45-70 (good for any hunting situation other than dangerous game)
A lot more capacity
Cheaper ammo
>>30588985
Niggers in Africa are a lot more accepting of collateral damage, unethical kills, and human casualties than we are.
Yes to the following:
>lever guns are fun as hell
>marlin's quality post-2012 has drastically improved
>henry's are fine if you don't mind the loading system. I have a marlin 1895 but I wouldn't turn down a henry if I preferred it for some reason
>do 45-70 if you are okay with reloading or don't care about ammo prices or don't shoot much
>>30588861 is retarded.
>>30588459
I got one a couple years ago after the quality supposedly went to shit. Its not bad at all
>>30588589
you mirin? you jelly?
>>30588966
>AR in .30-06
GAWD DANGIT, BOY, WHAT THE SAM HILL IS WRONG WITH THE GARAND YER GRANDPAPPY USED IN WORLD WAR TWO? DOES IT NOT HAVE ENOUGH BIG BLACK PORTRUSIONS FOR YA, YOU LITTLE FAGGET? DID IT NOT KILL ENOUGH JAPS? IS EIGHT ROUNDS AT A TIME NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO HIT A GODDAMNED TARGET MOVING AT LESS THAN FIFTY MILES AN HOUR? BOY, I OUGHTA WHIP YER ASS FOR THAT POST
>>30588593
+1 on the 44 mag
>>30588966
Garands are fun but they arent much like an AR I suppose.
>>30589194
Buy a M1 Garand instead op. and unleash pure 30-06 hate on them
>>30589063
>out in the woods
>carrying AK
>bear sees you
>charging
>"oh well I can't defend myself with this, it'd be unethical!"
>>30588428
If a 45.70 is good enough for Starlord to hunt an I-Rex, it's good enough for you
>>30589156
Be honest. How does this make you feel?
>>30588459
Marlin was good, then it went to shit for a while, but recently they got better again.
>>30588492
It fucking would, chucking that fat bullet out there. I mean it reaches out enough to do what it has to, but keep the drop in mind.
>>30588596
Loading gates have literally been standard for well over a century, Winchester had them from the get-go, there's no reason to not have one on a modern tube-fed gun, if my Ithaca shotgun has a loading gate and I like that, why not have a loading gate on my levergat? It feels like arguing "why would you need a magazine on your bolt-gun?"
It's just practical. Hell, it's not even hard to do so I don't know why Henry don't get with the times, it would literally only be an improvement.
>>30588982
Largely forgotten?
If you want a levergun with big pointy bullets, there's the Browning BLR line
>>30588428
Henry makes the best quality new production lever gun on the market.
>>30588593
+1 with a caveat
.454 Casull is even better but ammo price
Both calibers can be had in cheap as fuck Rossi Model 92's, and the .454 can chamber .44mag
>>30589450
I'd honestly kill for a Russian M1895.
That said I'd like to see a BLR with a stripper clip guide
>>30589473
Anyone agree?
>>30589420
I don't get those, they have to be a novelty or something, everything those do, an FAL or G3 clone can do better with less weight.
>>30589237
>heavy
>expensive
>requires a gas-plug replacement for modern ammo or the oprod will rocket down range
They're a cool collectible and shooter, but it's not something I'd really recommend for practical purposes these days.
>>30589385
You can load .45-70 pretty damn hot and heavy.
I shudder to think what a Lehigh Extreme Penetrator would do to a bear with a hot powder load behind it.
>>30589510
In terms of sheer build quality? Probably.
>>30589557
The Henry lever action costs just as much as a M1 Garand
>>30589450
The BLR is hideous.
>>30589420
Confused.
>>30589486
>That said I'd like to see a BLR with a stripper clip guide
It would cease to be a BLR. The magazine is completely and totally isolated from the top of the rifle so you'd have to redesign the action and cut large pieces out of the receiver to feed stripper clips.
>>30589557
>I shudder to think what a Lehigh Extreme Penetrator would do to a bear with a hot powder load behind it.
You could probably throw an NFL regulation football cleanly through the hole in the bear's torso.
>>30589674
The new ones with pistol grips are nice.
>>30588982
The firearm I regret not being able to afford at the last gun show I went to. It was in .30-06 and everything.
>>30589486
>454 can chamber 44 mag
>>30588604
chances are if he wants to get a 45-70 he wants to blast shit inside 100-200 yds at most. And possibly like me and want one for history of the cartridge.
>>30588428
Henry is a great manufacture. if you can find a marlin 1895 pre marlin buyout id likely get one of them instead. either way its a great impractical innawoods gun.
>>30589045
What the fuck are you smoking? Light as fuck .45-70 loads blow the hell out of .44 mag, even the heaviest 44 mag loads don't approach .45-70, and that's only the trapdoor loads. You can get .45-70's loaded to upwards of 2200fps in a lever action, probably over 2800fps in a No. 1. And that's with a fucking 400gr bullet.
>>30588492
45-70 is pretty expensive. the rainbow trajectory has never been an issue. it jsut depends on how far you wanna shoot. Are you shooting dindus and deer in a wooded area? or in a wide open area. the round isntsuited for long range but is very suitable when innawoods.
>>30590078
>.45-70's loaded to upwards of 2200fps
WHEN BUFFALO ATTACK
>>30588447
This is my feeling as well
>>30590001
Well, I imagine you COULD, but the question is if you SHOULD.
>>30588589
>he's too poor to own multiple big-bore rifles
It must suck to be you.
>>30590078
>Minie ball traveling at half a mile per second
I want a Ruger No.1 in .45-70 now.
>>30589273
7.62x39 will probably work against a bear Anon, but the chance of shooting it and then getting mauled to death and having the bear die an hour later are much higher. When it comes to life or death I don't think "probably going to work" cuts it.
For a trail/bush gun a lever 45-70 is a good choice. A 12 gauge is better since you can use it for small game, but it's preference. Both are better than anything in an intermediate cartridge.
>>30589420
would buy it it wasn't the same as the down payment on my car
>>30590078
.44 Mag rifle = 240 grain @ 1800 FPS
.45-70 Trap = 300 grain @ 1600
>>30590136
>when Hannibal invades America
ftfy
>>30589486
>.454 can chamber .45colt
ftfy
454 is to 45 as 357 is to 38
>>30588596
>duress
Never mind having to set the rifle down to manipulate the rod, pull it out, decide how to retain it, decide you you can best go about handling the cartridges.
This is all possibly with a hot barrel with a gun that either has to be empty or with the lever unlocked so you don't have your hands on the business end of a loaded chamber. But fuck the reload because the thin ass metal that retains the rod bends if a butterfly lands in it.
I loved my Marlin model and and 39A, but the may tubes are shit for all but the most casual of shooting
>>30588756
We can but .300wm, .458win and .50BMG semi autos that are very accurate now so who gives a fuck about your equally ancient bolt action?
Oh that's right, it's OK to have personal preference and more than one gun that doesn't have to be justified by trumped up superiority. Go fuck yourself
>>30588447
this
so much this
those retarded henry tubes are the most ridiculous loading method ever. its like loading a fucking musket
>Are lever actions just useless fudd shit?
as far as utility goes... yeah. you'd be better off with a pump action 3006 for most innawoods tasks if you were really jonesing for a manual action rifle.
but they're fun as fuck to shoot and you can get them in ridiculous meme calibers so why not partake in the frivolity OP?
>>30588952
>bullet shape
Zero advantage. When compared to a bullet at least twice it's weight. Wide flat nosed bullets are surprisingly accurate and smash through heavy muscle and bone like it's cardboard
>bullet speed
Avg 45-70 is 2000-2300fps While weighing substantially more
>Ease of follow up shots (semi auto)
Recoil is a bigger factor here, levers are very fast
>Size of internal magazine (10 rather than 4-5 for 45-70)
4-7 of a far more powerful cartridge
Also it's like 7lbs
>>30588985
When you literally only need their tusks and horns then yes, mag dumping a large animal that isn't attacking you is fine
>>30591949
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase.html?selected=cartridge%20research
this is good info for any caliber
>>30588949
Heh and here I was looking for one in 30-06 for comically retarded as fuck fudd rounds
>>30592169
Interesting read. The 45-70 seems to be just ok accordibg to him
>>30594610
Read all the way to the end. The author is very impressed with modern hot-loaded .45-70 compared to anything on the planet but stupid-powerful safari guns, for use as a brush gun.
I have old JM proofed Marlin .45-70. It wore my TAM-14 for a while. It's a keeper. I will buy another levergat but it'll be a bighorn armory in .460 for ammo compatibility.
>>30594674
So if I'm hunting in heavily forested area (pacific north west) with few open spaces beyond 150 yards is the 45-70 suitable for durrr. Which levergat would you recommend?
>>30594763
Another question>>30594674
Would 30-30 be more suitable for durr 150 and under? Want to hunt elk as well
> no 38/357 lever action rifle with a loading gate under 1000 Fudd bucks besides rossi shit
> no 22lr lever action with loading gate made today
> henry still using tube loading magazines
There is suffering everywhere
Isn't there a 500SW lever action now? Ammo price is a big deal but most good lever action loading are pretty expensive. As someone said, 45-120 would do you good.
>>30594995
I thought you couldn't make a loading gate on a lever gun for .22LR because the ammunition isn't crimped hard enough?
>>30595383
I never known of technicalities like that for 22lr, but whatever it is, I wish it was possible
>>30591635
>44 +P+ out of the strongest action is slightly more powerful than the weakest 45-70 on the market
>Thread about a gun that can handle 2350fps 300gr Buffalo Barnes 45-70loads
>>30594763
>>30594772
>PNW brush gun
Yes, the guide guns are heavily used in Alaska.
>durr under 150
They'll certainly be dead if you land a shot.
>elk too
Modern Marlin-rated .45-70 would be your best option. .30-30 might be a wee bit too anemic for elk.
>>30596049
I'd only be confident in .30-30 taking elk with a +P+ Levereolution handload.
>>30594995
>> no 38/357 lever action rifle with a loading gate under 1000 Fudd bucks besides rossi shit
marlin as long as it isnt from 2010-2014 you should be fine from 2014-present its ok but you still have to examine what you buy
>>30594995
My new .44 Marlin is great. Their QA has been really improving.
>>30596049
What do you mean if I land a shot?
>>30592169
Thank you for this link. I've been looking for something like this.
I'm looking for a .44 magnum sidearm to share ammo with my levergat. Ruger Redhawk, S&W 629 (DA revolvers), Ruger Super Blackhawk (SA revolver), or Deagle? Picture obviously related.
Wouldn't a shotgun with slugs be roughly equal to a 45-70?
>>30597045
Shotguns are more flexible (you can carry shot for smaller game), but typically heavier, and you can get follow up shots off faster with a lever than a pump.
>>30597069
What is a semi automatic shotgun. Faster follow up shots
>>30597086
>What is a semi automatic shotgun.
Typically not recommended for innawoods due to them being fussy. I suppose a Saiga or a Vepr-12 would be an exception, being overgrown AKs.
>>30597045
I'd imagine more recoil, and less accuracy.
Even if you have a shotgun with a rifled bore, how well will it actually stabilize the slug?
Also what about range and trajectory?
Weight of ammunition?
>>30597090
A Benelli M4 is pretty damn reliable though.
>>30591860
>moving goalposts
>bringing up objectivity/subjectivity
get back to me with all of those armies that adopted lever-actions as opposed to bolt actions, I only know about the Russians but that was for a year or two before the Mosin.
Henry's are pretty good. .45-70 is a very potent round, Neither fun nor cheap to shoot very much but will drop almost anything. .30-30 is ballistically on-par with 7.62x39 many, many deer have been slain by it over the years.
>>30591868
>Pump action 30-06
??
>>30597257
Someone made a salt rifle that takes Garand food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD31v5Rziag&feature=youtu.be
>>30597284
1: Battle rifles in .30-06 with detachable magazines has been done before.
2: That's LITERALLY a BAR, which is an old "light" machinegun that was dated before it entered WW2
3: That's not pump-action
>>30588428
I have a Marlin 336Y in .30-30 and I love that damn gun. Lightweight, six rounds in the tube and one in the pipe. The definition of a 'truck gun'. Can't really use it from prone though if that's an issue for you.
>>30588935
.30-30 and 7.62x39 have very similar ballistics ya know.
>>30588861
I fucking love my 52 Tula.
>>30597257
Remington made one for a while my Scoutmaster had one back in the day.
>>30597257
>what is a Remington 7600
>>30596405
Buffalo bore does a 190gr@2300fps iirc
>>30597154
You were the one that brought up irrelevant bullshit in a thread about lever guns, completely uninvited. Your own inability tonstay on track is what moved the goal posts
