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Best guns for dealing with Goatmen/Skinwalkers/Wendigo? also general innawoods spoop
>Inb4 "I wouldn't worry about it"
Anything that fires 7.62x39, .30-30, or anything bigger will be fine. SKSes and AKs are popular for a reason, as are bolt and lever guns in large calibers. On the other hand you want a gun light enough that you can still fucking book it if a magdump doesn't kill the skinwalker all the way, so fifteen pound bench queens are discouraged.
Glock 20
/thread
I just wondered the other day how do spooky scares and flare guns mix?
>>30585562
Honestly, unless specifically worried about brown bear, a midsize Glock. 357sig is best. It's a ton of penetration from a light thin gun. it's no fun toting around 44mag all day and the Glock is a lot more firepower than a short barrel. 357 revolver.
It's also considerably lighter and thinner than a 10mm Glock.
I've given this a lot of consideration and research. I've owned and carried both a 629 mountain gun and a Glock 29 and I am correct.
>>30585562
Isn't ash (the wood) supposed to have counter spoopy properties?
Also battle rifles tend to be fairly powerful, carry that
>>30585562
Just a thought.
>>30585667
>it's no fun toting around 44mag all day
Are you some kind of pansy? My woods gun is a 44mag carbine.
>Also battle rifles tend to be fairly powerful, carry that
They're also stupidly heavy and inaccurate compared to anything else in their chamberings.
I saw a willow o'whisp in the Florida panhandle woods the other night, it was just this floating ball of flame seen at about 50 yards but it filled me with an unexplainable sense of dread. The area felt very strange when I went back to it the next day, like I was being watched.
Weird shit down here.
>>30585683
No but a 629 is not a comfortable CC gun. If you're an OC fag, it is less of a deal. Also, I spent a lot of money on the best lightest backpacking gear and the whole idea of how heavy that gun is paired with that, bothered me. Note, I said unless brown bear are a concern too. For less than brown bear 357sig is plenty.
>>30585716
OK yeah 44mag is awful for CC. I live in a free state with large fuzzy animals so I OC in the woods.
>>30585741
>I live in a free state
w8 are there states where you can't OC when in the woods?
>>30585750
>w8 are there states where you can't OC when in the woods?
California, if you're talking about pistols.
>>30585683
SCAR 17 is 8lbs and moa accurate
>>30585562
If I'm in bear country .458 socom Sbr or 4'' 44 mag revolver
If I'm on a easy hike with a well traveled trail and no bears, CC my VP9.
If I'm just dicking around in the woods and no one will bother me, whatever the fuck I feel like that day (usually my 6.8 SBR)
>>30585754
bretty sure that national forests can't have shitty laws enforced on them by states
>>30585562
I wouldn't worry about those.
>>30585622
Would M855 work as well
>>30586063
Jesus fuck no. Anything less than a 20" 5.56 barrel is just going to piss the spoops off and even then it's marginal. Your M4gery or SBR isn't going to do jack to a wendigo.
>>30586083
> Skinwalker defense force
>>30585562
Not something I'd worry about.
>>30586100
We had a thread last week about some fucknut mag dumping an AR at a black bear and it not even stopping the bear. I'm assuming the spooks are at least marginally harder to kill.
>>30586083
I have a 20 inch barrel Retro AR build, so if I loaded it with M855, I'm assuming that would be the equivalent of smacking the beast with a damp napkin?
>>30586124
Retro AR builds actually get a bonus against supernatural creatures in the woods since they were used in a real jungle war.
>>30586120
Did he even hit the damn thing?
Answer on the flage guns please its an emergency
>>30585562
Bring a condom, I'm sure skinwalkers need a good dicking every now and again.
>>30586192
I'd assume it'd be like the Deathclaws from Fallout that are horrified of flare guns, though I'm not sure
>>30586192
Fire usually works against spoops. Keep in mind that if you don't take it down with one shot it's now pissed off and on fire.
>>30585562
Where are you in the country? What you'd want in Alaska and what you'd want in Florida are pretty different.
>>30586218
I dont really want to set it on fire the main thought was to spoop the spoop away but i mean sure but is it really that easy to manouver and all when on fire?
>>30586218
>fire-skinwalker
jesus christ how horrifying
>>30585622
>not being /fit/ enough to haul with 20 pounds of gear
A condom.
>>30586243
Northern Ohio, but I'm not sure if there are any spoops in the area
>>30586120
He must have been a shitty shot, saw a black bear dropped by a .22 WMR once. Seen more black bears die from popular eastern deer chamberings than anything else.
>>30586264
Know how I know you've never been in the woods for more than two days at a time?
>>30585683
>inaccurate
Are you shooting these things from 800+ meters?
>>30585562
45-70 guide gun with modern silver core ammo.
>>30586274
Ohio? .357 mag lever gun or other lightweight longarm in a respectable but not overly cumbersome chambering (5.56, 7.62x39, 30-30, 20 gauge etc)
If it's a handgun your after, anything high pressure and solid from 9x19 on up will do. Some people like expanding or fragmenting projectiles for innawoods sidearms, but I've found that solids give me more flexibility.
These things I have stated are just my opinion. Feel free to discuss it or shit on it, that's what freedom is for.
>>30586120
>30 rounds of 556 into bear
>nothing
Well yeah, 30 rounds into the ground does that.
>>30586274
>>30586320
Yeah, Ohio has been too heavily tamed and developed for any of the real nasty spooks to survive, except maybe in the hills near West Virginia. Pretty much any centerfire rifle will do.
>>30586313
On the other hand there's never exactly a bad reason to buy a .45-70 guide gun.
>>30585622
I'd choose a Mossberg MVP in .308 for a bolt action and maybe an M&P15 for semi-auto in that case. Both are affordable and durable, reasonably light.
>>30585649
>threading yourself
>meme grenade gun
c'mon son
>>30586279
You some kind of pussy? I've humped it in the mountains for weeks
>>30586372
Never a bad reason, foshizzle. I've innawoods-ed in VA, FL, AZ, AL, NC, NC, MX and another place or two. I always go a hair on the just adequate and light side for flexibility. Also dependent on the distances to be shot. I spent a week innawoodsing in wine-and-horse country VA and even though the biggest game was black bear I went with a .308 Win with stout loads and a good scope because shots up there ranged from 50 feet to 600 yards and the roads were good. I used a .38 SPL for a sidearm with 158 gr LFN for flexibility.
In AZ, however, I rocked an M16A2 style build and a .177 pellet handgun because of the mountainous terrain and the extreme variation in game size. I wasn't hunting, but I figured that a 77gr 5.56 would take elk and desert Blackie if I had to, and .177 pellets would take out pissed off banded rattlers and rabbits.
>>30586404
>Mossberg MVP in .308
>bolt gun that takes M14 mags and standard optics
>cheaper than the GSR with its proprietary mags and faggy scout scope mount
WELP, I know what I'm getting for my long range gun now.
>>30586492
It sounds fantastic. I was just looking at springfield M1A's.
Anyone confirm this mossberg?
>>30586492
>>cheaper than the GSR with its proprietary mags and faggy scout scope mount
You get what you pay for. Mossberg rifles generally don't have good QA.
>>30585562
Both fire and 45-70 prove very effective at killing most things.
>>30586647
Thanks. Goin with the M1A Unless anyone can shoot it down. I'm new to the whole long range big gun thing.
For a rifle I'd use hunting and innawoods or if shtf. Should I go M1A, FAL, or ____ ?
I'll have my shawty, pistols, and AR's as backup but I want something with that wild rawr I am man! feel
>>30586763
I've always thought an FAL with a scope a la Archer would be cool.
>>30585683
>They're also stupidly heavy and inaccurate compared to anything else in their chamberings.
I see someone is mad about SCAR prices still.
>>30585622
>>30586264
>20 pounds is a lot
I carry like 60 lbs of stuff for weekend trips. Anything under 100 lbs ain't shit for me and I'm not in shape.
>>30585562
I wouldn't worry about it
>OP can't inb4
>>30585562
Guns can't kill a skinwalker, only hurt them.
A wiser man than I once told me that the best way to kill something with with the bones of it's own...
>>30586895
Yeah man idk what this other guy is saying. Using a 15 pound rifle innawoods ain't no thang.
>>30586822
I do love Archer...
I think ultimately, from all the research I've done so far, I'm going to get both, starting with the m1A because I think it's sexy
>>30587149
Whatever's fine with you. It's really not that difficult. I've walked a lot of places with a lot of heavy shit (Thanks, Army) and even a SAW or 240 isn't that goddamn bad once you're used to it.
>>30585562
A shotgun with salt shells, and a handgun with hand-loaded silver boolets.
>>30585562
Get a gun that has killed before. The spoops can feel the negative energy and the gun's willingness to kill. I carry a former con-man's beatup mossy 500, and some Detroit police auction pistols (A weird .357 I can't ID and a G19)
Try to get guns from high-crime areas. If you can get the story behind them, even better.
>>30585562
>>30586748
If you want to shoot 45-70, get a lever action
>>30587002
>guns can't kill a skinwalker
That sounds like a challenge
>>30587918
>I am become BRRRRT, destroyer of goats
>>30587592
>pacific northwest
I bet if anywhere still has skinwalkers or wendigos it's the Olympic peninsula and its parks. I should go looking next weekend.
>>30587961
There's a national park in So Cal called Joshua Tree, I go there every year and I remember reading some anon's story about him camping there one night and spotted a skinwalker walking about.
>>30587674
I'm still looking for a bubba'd hex Mosin to rebarrel as a 18 inch .45/70 suppressor host with birch laminate stock.
>>30588105
>hex mosin in .45-70
but why
>>30588343
Because they share a case head and rim dimension, so it's literally just a matter of installing a .458 barrel and cutting a chamber.
The other option, .30/40 Krag rifles, don't have as much safety margin built into them. I'm pretty sure a Mosin receiver could take Marlin Only loads, whilst a Krag would be limited to Trapdoor Springfield pressures.
And I want a bolt action for tossing 720 grain wadcutters at 1000 fps through a big ass suppressor.
>>30586120
>wendigo
>Bear
it can take everything you have...
>>30586205
>protip
>your not the one that's going to be wearing the condom.
>>30587961
We should meet up and explore in a move and shoot team. I will provide the random stereotypical Sniper Gear and you can go cover. I am good out to 1400 yards at current against paper and 1200 yards Man Sized moving targets. Only thing really left on my list is a kestrel and a Gen 3/4 Night scope.
>>30588561
My only long arm is a Marlin 1894 at the moment so I'd be short range assistance at best.
>>30588587
Thats fine. I shoot 6.5 Class for long range I figure we can move outside of something Range if it gets that much closer. I also Carry and SPR AR Build shooting 77gr Tipped match Kings for sub 600 Yard targets. Just wish my suppressors were coming in.
>>30587674
What's wrong with a BFR?
>>30588429
This made me wet
>>30586313
Some things are best killed with silver.
>>30585562
>Best guns for dealing with Goatmen/Skinwalkers/Wendigo?
Rule of thumb for killing unknown animals:
.45-70 at minimum; africa-tier shit like .458 win mag is better.
Big-bore dangerous game rounds like .458wm are what zoos use to kill gorillas and other similar sized animals.
If the stories are to be believed, and the creature is man-sized to 8' tall, then such rounds would be more than adequate.
>>30585673
>Isn't ash (the wood) supposed to have counter spoopy properties?
This has never actually been documented and is a stupid piece of meme lore picked up because it's how the navajo keep their evil-wizard skinwalkers away from their camps.
4chan monsters aren't navajo witch doctors, but likely some sort of cryptid we've conflated with the latter by name alone.
>Also battle rifles tend to be fairly powerful, carry that
One story concerning a man in an american desert cites that 8mm mauser is insufficient at typical-use ranges for the weapon. Typical full sized rifle cartridges are insufficient...
I'd go bigger, as I mentioned in my replies to the OP.
>>30588920
I have read another greentext where a skinwalker was killed with a combination of an FAL and a thermite grenade burning down the cabin it was in, so I guess it just depends on the build of the creature
>>30588984
>thermite grenade
I know exactly which story you're on about. Has some over the top /k/ related character who improvises explosives?
iirc, it was confirmed fiction.
>I guess it just depends on the build of the creature
Well, you're not trying to harvest a pelt or eat the fucker, so I'd say that if you want to ensure that it's dead, err on the side of big boolit rather than taking your chances with the possibility of insufficience.
THIS is why zoos use these big-bore rounds. Sure, .308 could stop a gorilla, but you want to make sure he's fucking dead and quick...so you dump .458 or .570NE into hiss ass and laugh.
>>30588746
>>30588920
>>30588984
The single common theme of skinwalker stories seems to be that however much firepower you have on hand is just barely enough. Now either that's confirmation bias ("lol I turned a skinwalker into injun hamburger with an RPG-7" isn't exactly a spooky story" and those without enough gun don't live to tell about it) or the whole thing is BS and the monster is following laws of narrative instead of physics.
>>30589036
>The single common theme of skinwalker stories seems to be that however much firepower you have on hand is just barely enough.
...most skinwalker stories don't actually have guns in them, and those that do tend to have rounds that perform similar to one another.
>>30589067
>t. skinwalker internet defense force
Every single skinwalker story I've heard has had guns in it. Of course I mainly get them through /k/, so if you have any gun-free stories I'd be happy to read them.
>>30588429
when you do this we have to see it, I'm getting rock hard over here
>>30589030
That's a shame that it got confirmed fake, it's one of my favorite greentext stories alongside the old Shrek shitposting and the one about the retards that call the cashier "chippo man"
>>30588685
I also want an excuse to play with these.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/255685/woodleigh-hydrostatically-stabilized-solid-bullets-458-winchester-magnum-458-diameter-480-grain-box-of-10
An example Marlin Only load for a 540 grain cast lead is the 1550 FPS Garret Hammerhead +P load. These are a bit lighter at 480 grain, I bet I could get 1750 before I started to smear case heads.
I'm not sure how these would react to modern body armor, but I know they fuck up steel a lot harder than you'd expect for the weight and speed.
>>30585693
Tampa bay area here. Its true, we got some really weird shit down here, been all over the state, seen most it has to offer. For my area, just thuggies in the hood, nothing mystical about them though.
>>30589077
>>30589036
>>30588920
>>30588017
>>30586471
You dumb niggers know that skinwalkers are exclusively Navajo witch men right? You're not gonna find them outside of the four corners. That said I've worked ranches near Gallup and with Navajo ranch hands in West TX/ East NM so I'm not saying they don't exist just that anywhere without Navajos is gonna have spoopies with different attributes than your basic skinwalkers.
>>30589562
Yeah I know the Naagloshii proper are exclusive to Navajo territory, but the problem is that "skinwalker" has become /k/ shorthand for any bipedal non-human beastie. Until we start bringing bodies back to identify and classify the different sorts of beasties it's hard to draw clear lines between the names.
if you ever come across a sasquatch please dont shoot it. they know what firearms are. if you do shoot one it may die of its wounds later on but it will get to you and you will not survive. please be careful
>>30586450
You're not even old enough to buy a handgun
>>30589562
You replied to multiple posts that didn't even mention skinwalkers. I hope saying that was important for you, because you just made yourself look like the biggest sperg on the board.
Everyone knows that skinwalkers aren't a real thing, it's a fun thing we do here.
>>30588467
Source on the game with those wonderful jiggle physics?
>>30590693
Boku no Cheese Pizza
>>30585562
But anon, now we are become the skinwalkers.
werewolf here, what do you THINK is the best way to deal with us?
>>30590782
>strategic nuclear weapons
>tactical nuclear weapons
>MOAB
>big fat AGMs, cruise missiles, or smart bombs
>artillery barrage
>napalm and agent orange
>/k/ommandos with silver bayonets on their milsurp rifles
This isn't the middle ages anymore, buckwheat.
>>30587961
I live in WA and there's nothing here. I wouldn't worry about it.
>>30590613
Everyone nos that skinwawkers aren a real thing
>>30591040
That does it, I'm bringing three full boxes of .44 with me when I go.
>>30590613
Except they are a real thing. Just not necessarily a supernatural thing. People on the Res legitimately practice witch craft and actually do fucking scary shit. And I replied to the wrong post because I'm on my shitty phone because reasons. I have a little first hand and a lot of fairly reliable second hand knowledge of IRL skinwalkers so I brought that up how is that even sperging?
>>30591186
Bring friends...
It gets hungry.
>>30591160
>See this clip a million times
>Always been freaked out by it
>Actually see the movie its from
One of the defining experiences of disappointment in my life.
>>30591232
What movie is it from?
>>30591246
This
>>30591232
Don't be a faggot
>>30591246
>>30591276
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086610/
>>30591276
Apparently I found a youtube clip of the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJWL9YaZ3C0
and also a pretty retarded news article.
http://krqe.com/2014/02/07/recent-nm-skinwalker-photo-ignites-fear/
>>30591232
This guy just wants to be a faggot
>>30591232
Xtro is a weird movie. You go in expecting a generic alien movie and you end up getting a movie that devolves into a movie about a kid with magic powers mixed with aliens starring the Czech sniper girl from The Living Daylights
>>30590782
I vote for >>30587918
Yall should listen to Dogman Encounters radio. Some guests have been innawoods armed during their encounter.
>>30591297
Appreciated. I did an image search and bullshit came up.
>>30591186
Seriously though, I'm right on the southern edge of the Okanogan National Forest. There are things out here. You can feel them watching.
>>30588429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IekTNJDHGB8
http://pharmory.blogspot.com/2010/08/mosin-45-70-build-part-1.html
>>30591316
It could have been an enjoyable campy B-flick, instead it took itself totally seriously and was trying as hard as it could to inject cruelty into the plot. It almost felt like it wanted to bully the audience and use that to try and make them think it meant business or some shit.
>>30589562
Most "skinwalker " stories don't actually have skinwalkers
It's just generally accepted that Fleshgaits are also referred to as Skinwalkers
As an often overlooked cryptid I think it may be the first time the questiom has been posed:
What would be the best firearm to kill a RatKing?
I'm thinking low recoil and decent rate of fire. I'd reach for a S&W 351C, considering you'd have to place up to a dozen individual kill shots.
>>30589776
But what if I have a clean shot? I mean you can't tell me a squatch isn't gonna drop if a .30 fmj slug smashes it's brain stem. I'd totally shoot a bigfoot it'd be a sick way to die even if I miss, especially if I have time to affix bayonet
>>30591509
I know this is overused but rat king is most definitely a KILL IT WITH FIRE type opponent
>>30591509
Actually looks like a perfect job for the ol' Wingmaster and a handful of birdshot, maybe a heavier duck load if you want. It'd be easy as fuck really but still pretty traumatic
>>30589776
t. Sasquatch
>>30590782
Melons.
>>30591509
Something with those Napalm rounds that one anon made on accident.
>>30585693
Will o'whisps are fucking neat. So is ball lightning.
>>30587961
would you think i could hunt some goatmen in the wasteland that is west virginia?
>>30589776
>>30591550
I suppose you're right.
But I enjoy the concept of it becoming increasingly slower as you take out each idividual rat forming the king and the others have to drag it's limp corpse-limb.
Also in doing so you chip away at the hivemind that makes it one organism, and the final two or three rats will suddenly have one small fraction of it's original brain power (which is why a rat can never be removed from a ratking lest both creatures die).
>>30590693
Rondo Dup
Visual novel
>>30585693
>>30591602
Those are just swamp gas... Right guys?
>>30591509
What is a rat king?
>>30591680
>What is a rat king?
This is new to me also. Enlighten pls.
>>30591680
>>30591712
Just like the image shows, is a bunch of rats tied up by the tails.
>>30586308
>not shooting things a kilometer away
Fucking casual
>>30591680
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX).
space marine here just got back from my tour of mars how do i deal with pic related?
>>30585562
They don't exist, sorry.
The most dangerous thing is actually you when in da woods; falling over and breaking something, getting lost, or some other mistake, are what you should be afraid of.
If you're just LARP'ing, well, go right on ahead.
>>30593418
>>30593429
No, seriously.
You should really be focusing on where you walk, where you are (if you go off the paths, which everyone should, unless they casual), having the right amount of food, water, clothes, fire starting materials, and all of the other shit.
Worrying about a weapon is wayyyyyyyy down on the list.
Wild animals rarely attack, and that if you actually bump into one in the first place.
There's no one in da woods that'll harm you in all realistic scenarios.
Carry a weapon if you want for those very, very, very rare things that you'll never experience, like a bear attack, serial killer, drug growers and other people doing illegal activities.
Armed for a skinwalker is just LARP'ing, and if you think it's real, you probably should be armed in the first place.
>>30593450
>There's no one in da woods that'll harm you in all realistic scenarios.
pic related
Alright my Cali /k/omrades
When are we starting a group to get out into Joshua Tree or some other to camp and watch out for spoops?
>>30586462
Ok let's start with why. If military yes we all had to carry retarded fuckheavy loads and sucks to be the 240 bitch (fml). Why anyone would want to carry a 15 pound weapon for rapid fatigue short of setting up an ambush kill zone is a bit of a question. Now if you are fuckhuge and able to handle the 240 as a m16 then fuck you for your lucky mutant genes. For the rest of us 7 pounds tends to be a good average weapon weight with maybe another 30-40 pounds of gear at most for a hunting camping load. Fatigue adds up quickly and costs alertness concentration and coordination and be fucked if I give those up re dangerous game
>>30587132
Say that after 10 miles. Then say it again a week and another 20 miles later. Also necessary or not fuck ridge overwatch duty
>>30587315
True but when one is out of that condition or never in it in the first place?
>>30593450
Basically correct but the north east and some of the south does have mob, cult, drug addicts in a lot of the larger wilderness areas so generally I advise something even if only a cheap shotgun
>>30586646
Loving mine, but only 150 rounds through it and cleaned frequently
Anything in 8mm, my K98 or my dream gun the MG-42! To mow those cryptid fucks down
>>30586274
Where at northern ohio? Im from around the Youngstown area
Fucking pussies. Just fire something chambered for AA guage. If anything can survive that then its not like you were going to live anyways
How effective would 7.62x54R or 8mm Mauser be against bears?
>>30593598
I wanna answer your question but it doesn't make sense.
M1 Garand in 458 Winchester Magnum
You won't need a translator because 500 grains of lead at 2100 fps can effectively communicate with anything alive.
>>30594054
I'm in the Lorain/Elyria/Amherst are, but I usually don't camp in that area.
>>30585562
Get whatever you want, but if you actually want to harm the damn thing, you need to dip the bullets in ash, and if you want, the powder. Ashen rounds harm skinwalkers on a different level than physical, but that's just what I heard.
With that set aside, elephant guns could do nicely, assuming you aren't a manlet, and a hot loaded .45-70 or .30-06 will kill anything on the north american continent, so I would assume it to do OK to skinwalkers.
>>30585681
dear god we are doomed
>>30594785
*formerly alive
>>30585681
>secret squirrel units practice spooking campers in the woods
>get filleted by some /k/ommando with a Mosin older than their grandpa
That's got to be the most awkward kind of letter to next of kin.
>>30587918
>>30587943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SlWegS2sS0
Imagine hunting spooky shit innawoods with a small groups of either of these.
>>30589414
Thuggies. Are fucking serious? Dude, you better not also live near a volcano or you're fucked.
>>30591591
Pasta please?
>>30591509
Birdshot out of a .410 or better. It's just a bunch of rats with their tails tangled all to hell. You just shoot until you're satisfied.
>>30593394
shoot it until it dies
>>30591509
You don't need to kill a rat king. They are slow and generally harmless.
>>30596409
>>30596349
i like this idea
>>30593394
Purge the Daemon!
>>30596607
>be skinwalker
>doin spooky shit innawoods
>notice some new strange boulders in the area
>stupid humans must've caused another rockslide
>realize the boulders are watching me
>suddenly one opens and a human pops out
>he's not scared
>he's smiling?
>loud bang and fire comes from the boulder he popped out of
>realize half of my torso is gone
>human hops off his boulder laughing like a madman and takes off some sort of cover
>it's a fucking tank
>all of them are fucking tanks
>>30596581
Another relatively on-topic screencap.
>>30596844
That anon should have had an elephant gun.
.458 SPECIAL SNOWCOM AR & a Glock 21 with a .460 Rowland drop in kit.
Go big or go home, nigga.
