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Ribbon of St. George Edition
>Thread #15
Old thread here >>30566478
you gonna trigger some hohols with that picture, comrade.
Post tourniquets and bandages
> Can't believe some idiot paid 450 for my police trade in glock 22
What are my aftermarket buttstock options for the SLR-107fr?
The stock on this thing is built for ants.
Tricked out 7.62s pls
>>30579331
I sold some guy the other day a colt m4 22 cal., although in his defense he was rich. He was almost going to buy a norinco sks for 550.
>>30579438
Pt. 2
>>30578965
Can you post more pictures of that stock or describe what it is?
>>30579472
it's a zenitco pt-1.
very expensive and very neat.
>>30579522
It looks very modular.
>>30579541
Enhance
Imagine removing kebab in the snow
>>30579426
>>30579541
extremely.
Tried taking my selector plate out for the first time and the retainer pin came loose. Is thus back correct? Plate arm goes through the hole, and the pin is resting under the trigger pin and does not hook around the hammer pin
>>30579426
>>30579662
>retainer pin
Are you talking about the shepherd's hook that keeps the hammer and trigger pins from walking out?
>>30579662
They're a bitch to get back right sometimes. Do yourself a favor spend 5 bucks and get a good retaining pin plate. So much better.
i like tacticool aks
>>30579700
yea that might be it. Is it resituated correctly? I can't tell. Is the hook supposed to be around the hammer pin, and over the trigger pin?
What's a good dust cover with rail for a M70 NPAP I have the underfolder version so it didn't come with a side rail.
>>30579715
Yes but make sure that "v" shaped part towards the barrel is not just wedged against that hammer spring. It needs to be firmly seated in the groove that's in the hammer pin. If that wire piece is riding against those grooves on both pins you're good
>>30579586
Can't wait to get my m76 sniper rifle lad, soon my Serbian kit will be complete.
>>30579750
Here we are. So the end of the shepards hook doesnt have to be hooked around the hammer pin, but it has to rest in thr groove to keep it from falling out. On top of being over, not under, the trigger pin. Correct?
>>30579715
no, the hook goes on the side where you got it near the hammer, but the other size points down towards the trigger.
you gotta use your screwdriver to push it down and then slide your trigger pin in, and make sure it doesnt bend or twist, and the bend is 90deg to the bottom, and flat against the side.
>>30579785
Yes. The elbow end basically runs into it, it doesn't need to hook around it. It just chills in the groove. If you tried to hook it around, youd probably find that the other end wouldn't reach the safety pin hole.
>>30579805
Neat picture of the first generation buttstock with the ovoid release button in action
The 74M also has no bump rivet, and has a ribbed dust cover, although there's no way of telling if the dust cover is original or not.
>>30579541
Post the whole picture faggot
>>30579831
Good deal. No my only problem is that the selector plate does NOT wanna go back where it came from
>>30579785
what the fuck is that? LOL
try hooking it, then putting it on top of the trigger pin, then inside the selector hole.
>>30579840
it has a ribbed top cover, you can see one of the side ribs. what you talkin bout bump rivet? you mean the extra pushbutton on the stock?
bump
>>30579844
You have to put the safety through 90 degrees and catch it through the end of the shepherd's hook and gently pull it up to the pin hole where it goes.
>>30579745
None. Railed dust covers are shit tier. You'll never hold zero with a shitty railed dust cover. If you can see about getting a regular AK style side rail installed if possible. Second best option would be an ultimak gas tube rail that can be rigged up to work on PAP rifles.
Don't waste money and time on a dust cover anon.
>>30579859
>it has a ribbed top cover
But that's what I said silly
The bump rivet, the fourth rivet, the bolt assist rivet, is missing. Indicating, along with the buttstock, that the rifle is an early 74M.
There is no extra button on the stock. It's just a different style.
>>30579866
Damn, there we go. Once I got the plate arm through the shepards hook whole it was a bitch to wrestle the arm into where it goes on the other side of the reciever. How does that look? Hook is over trigger pin, and the end is up against but not wrapped around the hammer pin. Trigger pin moves a tiny bit, but hammer pi
n won't budge.
I need to take apart my FCG entirely some time just to gain somefamiliarity with it but I'm so paranoid that I'll fuck up my rifle forever. Does anyone else have that problem? It's my first rifle, maybe that's why?
>>30579889
What years production would that place it?
>kek
>>30579899
Everybody struggles with it the first few times. Worst thing you can do is tweak out that hook and you'll just need a tapco plate for 4 bucks. That looks right though. Pins may move a cunt hair in and out but should catch the shepherd's hook. You'll know you got it wrong if you go to shoot it and they start to walk out
>>30579900
If all those parts are original, I'd say 90 or maybe 91. The limiting factor being the ribbed top cover, but those are so easily replaceable you can't reliably use them for dating an AK.
Stocks are infrequently replaced, and if they're replaced it's likely to be with a newer model. Since that's the first model stock, I'd say it's likely original to that rifle, and from my own serial number research I believe they were used in 92 at the latest, maybe early 93.
The most concrete detail is the lack of the bump rivet, but I'm not sure when those were phased in for sure. I think around 95 but don't quote me.
Pic for the other anon
>>30579928
Another ak off the market. Why couldn't he just use an ar?
>>30579899
Just buy a FCG retainer plate. Makes life much easier.
>>30579934
When does the paranoia go away? Every new scratch I notice, or scrape or chip that I wasn't sure was there before or not worries the hell outta me
>>30579943
What is the function of the bump rivet?
>>30579973
> When you stop being a faggot.
Each scratch and chip should be a memory you and you beloved ak shared together.
>>30579973
Eh, I'm not too autistic about my rifles. You want to keep them nice at first but I never let scratches and shit bother me. It's an ak, wear gives it character and makes it "yours"
>>30579992
>>30580004
I guess I should point out that I was talking about the moving parts of the rifle showing wear. I love the scratches and dents in the finish and furniture on the outside of the rifle.
>>30579980
Prior to the appearance of the bump rivet, the bullet guide had a small ramp built into the left side that served the same purpose. It is to "bump" the bolt and start its rotation so that it doesn't get bound up. For some reason they removed the ramp from the bullet guide and started using a rivet instead. I'm not sure why, because it seems more cost effective the other way around. On the inside of the receiver the bump rivet is cylindrical when new, but with use it wears down into a ramp shape.
bedtime
>WASR owner
>actually am a little bit jealous of other AK's dimples
>>30580043
I see, this is interesting. I thought they all had those ramped bullet guides. Thanks for the insight Chimps. I'll dump some AKs while you're catching z's
>>30580068
I know nothing about AK's
What kind is this one?
>>30579877
Suppose you're right, what about the utg quad rail?
>>30580100
Not exactly sure but I believe this underfolder is of Polish origin.
>>30580101
Pretty sure they make an ultimak railed gas tube for yugo rifles. Get that
>>30580101
Viable for PAP rifles. I'd research if it'll work well with an underfolder. It might not let the stock completely fold up which might not be the biggest deal for you.
>>30580136
just did some reverse searching. It's an ITM Arms CO Receiver and a Polish underfolder.
>>30580249
Yeah i wasn't sure about the markings on the receiver.
>>30579710
>>30580305
http://allbakeliteeverything.bigcartel.com/product/kalash-trefoil-design-patch
neeeed it
when's VAfag coming back
I need bakelites to go with my soviet type 2 bayonet coming in the mail
>>30580101
I got it, seems sturdy enough however take that with a grain of salt because I haven't really tested it out yet. As far as quality and fit it is good.
>>30580363
Does the stock fold completely, with the grip?
>>30580394
Is that a bad angle or does the top rail block your iron sights?
>>30580394
>>30580407
>>30580438
pls respond
I wish I had a bayonet lug.
>>30580197
Just noticed he doesn't have a dust cover
>>30580490
you're missing out son
pretty sure gunsmiths can put em on there tho
>>30580407
>>30580438
>Does the stock fold completely with the grip?
Yes, it closes just fine. however the position of the angled part of the grip can obstruct the folder enough to keep it from closing.
>Iron sights?
There's a channel through the middle top rail that allows you to clearly see and use iron sights.
>>30580472
>>30580554
Oh and the npap cleaning rod will NOT fit with the UTG rails. Fyi
>>30580490
you can buy gas blocks with a bayonet mount.
>>30580588
son of a bitch
not the anon you're replying to but that never occred to me.
>>30580515
Damn, stared at that image for like 2 minutes and I didn't notice that either
>>30580551
I'd need to find a gunsmith that isn't a total Bubba. It's just welding on a piece of material where the lug was before it was removed and removing it little by little until it's fits the supplied bayonet.
I just wanna put more bakelite on my AK and have a kebab stabber. Maybe I'll look into it.
>>30580576
>>30580554
Thanks mang, ordered one just now, as for the cleaning rod problem, not a deal breaker for what I'll be getting in return.
>>30579842
retard
>>30579472
>>30579840
....who cares...
>>30580605
do what this anon
>>30580588
said. It's worth it man. It feels great to have it on your rifle. And you don't necessarily need ammo to protect your home
>>30580101
utgs are fucking huge and wont hold zero if you mount a red dot on it. if its just for a light or forgip its passable but bulky especially with the included rail covers
>>30580379
Russian army surplus on Facebook, click join, message Pavel Kvardin how many you want.
10 he quoted me $23 each.
>>30580667
Then I need to find a gunsmith who's not a Bubba AND knowledgeable about AK pattern rifles to remove my front sight post and my gas block safely and correctly install the new gas block and front sight post without messing up my zero.
I think welding on new lugs might be simpler.
>>30580714
You can take it apart yourself and then rezero it.
>>30580836
I've seen it done on youtube, but I don't really wanna buy. Hydraulic press, punch set, and everything else just to switch gas blocks. Maybe if I was trying to switch it to a yugo gas block with the grenade sights and the yugo sight post with flip up night sights but still I'd be apprehensive of buying all that.
>>30580680
Joined, waiting for permission
Some kinda /k/ facebook group?
>>30578965
Is ak a meme?
Looking if I should buy it or an ar15
>>30580956
buy ak
>>30580977
If I go to ar thread and ask same question will they tell me same?
What is better
>>30580991
If you need to ask you deserve ar
>>30580991
You totally should just go and ask there.
>>30580977
>"buy ak"
>shit on every option currently available
yep, sounds like AK owners to me
>>30581008
>come to ak thread
>surprised when told to buy AK
be less stupid in the future please.
>>30580991
>If I go to ar thread and ask same question will they tell me same?
Yes. Why wouldn't they?
>What is better
Neither. I own both. I love both. Both are good. They are the two greatest rifles of all time. Which should you choose first, or if you can only have one? Flip a fucking coin.
>>30581022
What is more cooler
Accuracy?
>>30581041
Ar is more accurate kalash is more durable, now fuck off.
>>30581053
Which is harder to clean
>>30581041
>What is more cooler
Neither. They both look super generic plain, they both look super operator when you slap $2000 dollars worth of shit on them.
>Accuracy?
AR hands down. AK is not inaccurate, but the AR is inherently more accurate than pretty much anything not bolt action, simply due to it being direct impingement.
IMO AK is much, much more fun to shoot. 7.62x39 is love, 7.62x39 is life. It's light enough it won't beat you up, but it still has enough oomf to make things interesting.
>>30581067
Which is heavier
>>30581085
Your mom.
>>30581022
No you misunderstood me, I meant that you guys shit on every AK option that is available.
>>30581087
>>30581085
Depends. There's a lot of variance on the civilian market. A heavy barrel AR will weigh much more than a standard AK.
That said a generic AK will weigh more than a standard AR.
Ruger AR-556 weighs 6.5lbs, WASR 10 weighs 7.5lbs.
>>30581088
Where do you think you are son? Toughen up buttercup, this is 4chan.
>>30581120
Which is harder to clean
>>30581169
Both are very easy in my opinion.
>>30580870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1cjQvnDwBI
>>30581066
ak probably
>>30581221
>>30581066
I meant AR
I was thinking of getting this as my first AK.
IO Inc AKM247C
Good or no?
>>30581186
>>30581226
>>30581221
Ok
Thanks senpaitachi, see you tomorrow
>>30581233
Company sucks, don't buy American ak
>>30581240
IO is polish
>>30581254
No, it's literally shit. I.o. is shit
>>30581233
>>30581254
IO is not polish, they're based in america, and their "polish" AKs from "OH SO AMAZING RADOM" are just made in the town Radom, not in the same factory.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kv0Q9GI43w
What's a good vendor to buy AKs at? I have a couple models in mind bu I don't know where to find them online.
Buttstock refinished, handguard old finish.
Pistolgrip is from a RPK.
Im in the midst of refinishing RPK Handguards and a PKM stock converted to fit an AK. Pics eta of those about 2 weeks.
Im looking for some bakelite mags for my sam7 a while back some anon posted a link to http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/ak_magazines_2.htm
I was wondering if any of you have any experiences with this vendor.
>>30581233
That's a literal bomb.
When Dallas weapon goes viral, will 5.45 be the next hawt for Q3 2016?
>>30580379
I'm here.
Did you put an order in for them already?
>>30579785
According to the tracking the PLUMS ARE HERE, VAfag just needs to pick em up.
>>30581274
I.O. is under new ownership, might not still be as absolutely terrible now, but I wouldn't risk it.
>>30583203
>might not still be as absolutely terrible now
No, they're just as bad as they've always been.
Help, I have an original century arms shepards hook, and I can't get it out. I purchased a krebs custom retaining plate to replace it if any of you have advice on that.
>>30583203
Still shitty IO. They don't deserve any type of business.
>>30579426
Anything with a 4.5mm pin, like zenit, or you can get a buffer tube with a pin and put whatever stock you want on it- it just won't click in place when folded. I think Mantacore (or something like that) makes one.
>love my 2nd gen M70
>my AR's BUIs still aren't even sighted in
>browsing for AR optics
>start looking at Slav ones for my M70 instead
Does anyone have a website selling slav optics they can vouch for? I am scared of giving my cc info to just any site.
>>30583372
Good guys
http://kalinkaoptics.com
Hey guys, anyone know if AK-pattern and Vz58 sight adjusting tools are cross-compatible?
The pics I've seen online look very similar
>want arsenal metal sidefolder
>want side mounted optics
>want to be able to use my rifle folded
What do? Are there compatible right side folders?
>>30583445
If you're a machinist you could try to make an extra joint in the stock arm so it sort of wraps around the side optic?
Is there a huge difference between DDI and Arsenal quality?
Also, whats the difference between N-PAP, O-PAP, M92 and WASR-10s?
AK begginer here, sorry
>>30583499
Arsenal is supposed to be higher quality but there has been some questionable quality control in the last year or so for some people. Look up the DDI factory tour on youtube, I would have no problem saving $300+ with a DDI.
>>30583499
Npap has already been a proven ak in battle unlike all the others, hell. Even afghan goat fuckers who probably don't know the first thing about maintenance used them.
>>30583445
You're fucked
You could, however, convert an ak into a right side folder using bonesteel arms folding stock. This would allow you to use optics mounted on the side.
http://bonesteelarms.com/Ak-Saiga-Folding-Galil-style-stock-AKFSGL.htm
There were polish right side folders (not the wire stocks) that were similar to this but I think they're all gone.
>>30583894
>Npap has already been a proven ak in battle
Doubt.png
>>30584013
That stock is huge and ugly in person.
>>30584034
Damn, is it really? I was debating getting one for my beryl at some point since it looked similar to the folding stocks that Poland used to use.
>>30584026
What is the yugoslav wars.
>>30584062
Ya I saw a Saiga 5.45 at a gunshop 2 days ago with one. The mechanism is bulky as fuck and heavy. Might as well just pay someone to do the trunion switch to use a real triangle.
>>30584189
I don't want a triangle though and I especially don't want to do any permanent modifications to my beryl.
>>30584221
Then just get a polish wire folder? No mods at all.
>or Magpul zukov stock it's bomb proof
>>30584277
I don't think you're really understanding what I want here.
>>30584277
>
> plastic
> bomb proof
>>30584094
>Civilian versions of combat rifles share the same reputation
Shit, that makes your statement even more retarded. Do you have any idea how many times the Romanian AKs can be seen in action? I guess that makes the WASR10 combat proven too, except it was actually already issued in conflict zones. Shit, the OPAP is more in spec with the Yugo AKs than the NPAP.
>>30584337
No I do if that's the case wait for somebody from Poland to put a real on on files.
> I was joking about the Magpul
>>30584340
You must've been under a rock this last week
There's just something that makes AK's alot prettier than AR's. I don't know what it is, but it's just simple undeniable fact.
>inb4 commie-tard
>>30584477
I enjoy the simplicity of them. Makes me want an A1 clone at some point too though.
>>30584525
I found myself in love with those original wooden stocks. Maybe it's because AK is more a tool than a gun :D
>>30584525
Props for witcher shit
>>30584544
Wood is nice too.
>>30584571
Thanks.
>>30584525
Where'd you get that dust cover?
>>30584718
I think TacticalGearJunkie can thank /k/ for about half of their dust cover orders over the past year or so.
>>30584718
Tactical gear junkie. You can have them custom made for about $20.
Holy kek
>>30585040
>>30585057
Holy shit, century what the fuck?
>>30584062
is the top 556?
>>30585040
>>30585057
Century arms does it again!
>>30585040
>>30585057
Do only century make those rods hollow? I have noticed hollow rods with lightening cuts only on century ak's
>>30585040
>>30585057
Not even angry at Century. I would however like to take all of these rifles and shove them barrel first up every fucking asshole of the worthless fucking faggots who shilled these rifles on their YouTube channels, blogs, magazine articles or otherwise. I'd like to take every shitty receiver and one by one bludgeon these faggots to death for convincing people to waste their money on a potential bomb to disfigure or kill them.
>>30584391
>>30585143
Just want you to know I love your raifu
>>30585234
I.O is far worse and has higher rate of gun explosions etc. So century is doing a bit better.
>>30579670
>when HK-chan got really drunk at a european party one night and fucked a bunch of russians
this needs a wife's son pic with an AK and his tight little mp5 wife with the AEK son
>>30579670
AK12 have my child
>>30585143
Where are you findin mags that aren't costing a bajillion dollars?
>>30585443
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/home.asp
>>30581233
IO has some very poor QC, I've dealt with six of their rifles in various capacities and five of them had shit wrong, stuff like out of spec mag well, cracked mag release lever, improper headspace from the factory, etc.
>>30585474
All I'm seeing is tapco, those work decent? just picked up a 106CR
He guys....I think I fuked up bad.
I don't know AKs very well. I got one but it was a different brand than the sticker said.
It's a RAS47...I thought I remembered someone saying they grenade and to never buy, true? What/10 are we talking here? A true 0/10?
>>30585618
you fucked up big time. did you not look over the gun before purchase?
>>30585593
Anon take a couple of snaps of the bottom lug of your bolt and the breech of the barrel for me
>>30585593
>106CR
good luck
>>30585698
Someone on files figured out a good fix for the overgas problem by drilling a few small holes in the gas piston.
>>30585593
no idea man, assumed you meant the clear plastic ak74 mags of unknown origin country or cheap tula plums
>>30585618
Why do people never research what they buy?
Very rarely(in my experience)do gun stores stock good or high quality AKs and instead choose to stock IO's and RAS47s. Maybe an NPAP or two that are miles ahead in quality of the other two options.
>>30580065
You and everyone else who owns a wasr
>>30585843
Agreed
>>30585698
heard a lot of probs were due to magazines. Hey, at least it's not a RAS
>>30584062
They aren't huge or ugly, they come in nato or warsaw lengths.
Also, do not deal with chris bonesteel, the man is a fraud.
Buy from the guys who actually make the damn thing.
http://www.cncwarrior.com/AK-Saiga-Sidefolder-p/25362.htm
>>30585918
Magazines are only an issue to those who use shit like promag 223 mags. Circle 10 556 (black) and Beryl (black) mags will feed reliably. I think an issue may lie with the bottom bolt lug but I can't find much info on it. A known problem lies also with barrels without a proper feedramp
>>30585985
Good to know about the Black, I'll def pick some up. I ordered some smoke ((10)) 's so Ill see in the next week or so. I've got a good feed ramp, so I've got that going for me.
>>30586125
>airshit
>>30578965
How quiet should a suppressed AK-74 be really?
Will it still be heard 500 meters away?
half a mile?
a mile?
Just curious.
>>30580030
is that supposed to be a bullet proof pad on his butt
>>30586132
Let me tell you about smoke mags...
>>30586179
No, it's a cushion for sitting atop freezing cold armored vehicle exteriors.
>>30580043
It's so third worlders can just smash the rivet a little more if they need it built back up, instead of fucking with replacing the bullet guide.
It's a damn good idea for increasing the longevity of it. Look at your bullet guide, it's probably a bit beat up just from moderate use.
>>30586132
Can you take a photo of your feed ramp and the bottom lug of your bolt anon?
>>30583400
can confirm. legit company
>>30586130
where can one find dimensions for one of those suppressors anyway?
>>30586191
thanks
>>30586130
jesus fuck why is that gigantic heavy piece on the muzzle threads?
what is the purpose of that?
Dallas shooter config:
-Saiga IZ-240 5.45
-DTK-1 Brake
-Magpul MAG585 Zhukov stock
-B-13P zenit rail
>>30586125
not with those gloves
I haven't touched it yet, there's a hole in the side and some of the tape is peeled back.
>>30586102
details on that flash hider?
>>30586170
depends on the fucking supressor ya dingus. slav milspec supressors are gonna be pretty much guaranteed worse than even most low end american made cans.
go look up decibel reductions of supressors from 16" barrel on .223/5.56 and you basically have your answer.
>>30586321
My other parcels were like this too recently, shieeet.
>>30586291
7N6?
Red Army Standard?
Silver Bear?
>>30586236
pbs-3 (?) supressor made for AKs, and because ak muzzle brake threading is huge
>>30586351
it's 24mm x 1.5mm, it's the perfect size really. Small enough you can buy a tap for it relatively cheap (I found a quality Japanese tap for $14 on ebay), and just big enough you can single-point thread it internally on a lathe.
Also, that explanation doesn't apply, the threading isn't huge at all, the nut they have screwed onto there is fucking huge.
AK brakes aren't huge like that, "ya dingus".
>>30586321
Probably got caught in a sorting conveyer somewhere
>>30586363
ok, Go undscrew the brake on your ak74. it's screwed onto a very large chunk of threaded metal, this large chunk of threaded metal is what AK supressors are built to attach to, hence a larger chunk of metal screwed on around it
>>30586394
you fucking moron the thing in that picture is like 2.5 inches in diameter, it's gigantic.
>>30586206
Are those steel reinforced?
>>30586409
>>30586409
>>30586394
>>30586423
uhhhh
did you jizz in the chamber?
clean that fucking shit out
>>30586436
hahah right? camera is picking up weird crap
>>30586321
Fuck......
>>30586409
>>30586423
>this filth
I DONT CARE IF ITS AN AK CLEAN THIS SHIT NOW RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>30585040
>>30585057
What rifle is it?
>>30586409
>>30586423
Thanks for the photos. The smokes are not military grade, not steel reinforced. They have steel lugs, but no steel at the feed lips. They tend to crack around the front lug as the polymer in the smoke mags is a different type than the black mags and is very brittle. How many rounds have you had through this rifle and have you had any issues?
>>30586436
better?
