>tick tock
Not long now, before the M249s in inventory will need to be replaced
>tick tock
But what shall we replace them with? God bless
>>30576970
God's not real mang
Glock 420 next question
Remington 700 in .243
You can reach out and touch somebody then instead of pop shots.
The fantasy AR-15 that the medias make up every week. That would win wars alone.
>>30576970
M27 iar
>>30577264
Serious replies only, thanks.
MG3
Lol did my post get deleted?
I said MG3. I actually think a variant of the MG3 with a shorter barrel would make a good replacement.
>>30576970
Newer M249s.
Or some sort of improvement on the LSAT.
>>30576970
More M249s. American troops will be carrying this gun for the next 50 years at least. There's literally nothing wrong with it.
>>30577003
if you want to debate religion or tip your fedora go elsewhere, this is the weapons board. its a commonly used phrase .
>>30576970
Go back to MMGs for everything, use IARs in house to house fighting, and replace all the M249s and M240s with M60E6s.
Seriously, the updated hog is a better MMG than the M240 or Minimi.
>>30577374
>>30577386
fags. m249 a shit
>hey, let's take this bad ass gun (240) and shrink the parts down to a more breakable size?
What about a 6.5mm LMG?
>>30577436
>>30577458
civilian fags detected
>>30577522
TYFYS WOULD YOU LIKE TO FUCK MY WIFE?!
>>30576970
M60E6
>>30577522
nigger, half this board is military. You really think that just because they don't agree with your shit opinions they're cowadoody fags like you?
Get back to the M1919.
>>30577553
Listen here kiddo, I have more time spent in the chow line at the mess hall, then most of your shit skins have been alive. I've actually, touched, shot, and used in combat both the weapons being talked about. Some fudlore-tier meme spitting about weapon systems doesn't matter when there are people who've used the system calling them out.
>>30577624
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>>30577624
Having used the SAW myself, I can say that you either had an exceptionally good one, or you're full of shit.
My piece of shit jammed every 2-3 bursts and the magwell collected links somehow. You'd think it wouldn't be possible, but is. Hell, I even had a live round find its way between the BCG and the drive rod.
2/10, would not trust my life to if I didn't have to.
The m240 in my truck was nearly perfect though.
All that said, to answer OP, the M249 isn't going anywhere for a long time, unfortunately, as they're just going to continue to update them.
>>30577641
good job on not typing gorilla
back to the case at point. This thread is pointless because of the "I have never shot the gun before, but here is my opinion on it". Its just noise.
>>30577684
I've seen 240s with bent bolts and pulverized feed tray pieces. The issues with both weapons is mutual. I'll give you benefit of the doubt the M249 is generally more shitty. But that's also because it fires an anemic round. Please find me another 5.56 fed SAW that isn't in the same ball park. Then you'll see my point. Its good for what it does. No one said its perfect.
You're not writing an email. Where do you think you are?
![lsat-machine-gun-tfb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AjXTZEs.jpg "lsat-machine-gun-tfb[1].jpg")
Put a Shrike belt-fed upper receiver on an M4 lower receiver. Cheaper, much lighter, more reliable than an M249.
Takes the same 200rd belt boxes as an M249, also works reliably with regular M-16 magazines and doesn't chew up the feed lips like M249s often do. It would retain the ergonomics (at least of the grip and fire control group) as a regular M16/M4, making transition training easier.
>>30578088
you'll have to carry spare uppers with optics already sighted in.
or use a quicktaken down barrel upper. so you have have spare barrels.
>>30576970
More M249s. Newer M249s run like a fucking rocket. And start issuing more LSA and less CLP for the thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8NBCPRnKF4
>>30578088
>more reliable than an M249.
Doubt it
>also works reliably with regular M-16 magazines and doesn't chew up the feed lips like M249s often do.
False.
>>30577298
If only...
>>30578253
having more than one lube would require S4, supply, and the armorers to do their fucking job. ain't Nobody got time for that.
MG42
>>30578277
Armorer needs to be an entire MOS for the US army like it is for the Chair Force and get a major overhaul. Right now faggot armorers never want to do maintenance because of the paperwork or bother ordering newer parts like parastocks or new barrels. And how many armorers don't bother conducting head spacing, barrel erosion and firing pin tests?
>>30576970
>God bless
there is no evidence for the existence of god.
>>30578113
It HAS quick change barrels. Easy and fast as shit to change them.
>>30578253
why in the fuck do they have the concrete pipes? don't trust the gunners to stay in their lane when shooting?
>>30578266
Yes, my reliability statement is based on my own personal experience with both weapons platforms. So it's subjective, not a scientific analysis.
What part do you say is false? That the Shrike is reliable with M-16 mags, or that M249s don't often chew the fuck out of M-16 mags. You simply said "False" in response to a two part statement without clarifying your meaning.
Please, don't fall into the trap of millenials using as few words as possible because of texting and tweeting habits. It can confuse meanings.
>>30577436
pierre sprey you're drunk again, go to sleep
>>30578382
These days you can't keep CLP out of a hazmat cabinet. Safety (as in the organization) is a bitch.
>>30578404
I fired mags out of M249s more than once. Never experienced this "It bends the mags,eats the followers,can't feed reliably" meme. The aforementioned video shows smooth operation with magazines. It's a feature that is barely understood and under demonstrated. The belt fed AR is a joke that was tested back in the 60s and found to be ineffective.
Ultramax
>>30578312
POGs might get one NCO Armor per battalion.
Grunts, operators, and select others might get a armor squad per battalion.
POG armorers I am afraid will be constantly out of the arms room on bullshit taskings.
>>30578067
LSAT-chu, I choose you.
>>30576970
Guys
listen
what if,
belt fed auto shotgun?
>>30578507
Armorer should be it's own job with a company sized unit receiving at least 8 bodies to form a section with one SNCO at E7, with the entire section being attached to S4. Make it their entire career to fix guns, teach quals, order parts and maintain accountability. When I mention paperwork, I am referring to the paperwork regarding DRMOing old parts, ordering new parts and maintaining parts inventories.
>>30578562
would have to use full brass shells. plastic hulls would not be reliable under military full auto abuse.
>>30578476
I acknowledge that a lot of M249s DO run fine with magazines. I've just seen enough that chew them up, and spoken to others who have had the problem, that I consider it to be an element to consider when comparing the platforms.
The main problems with the various attempts to make belt-fed M-16s back in the 60s was that in most cases they tried to simply to chop up and adapt existing uppers and convert them to belt-fed configuration. The upper is too small and fragile for that kind of thing to work. A belt-fed upper needs to be stronger than a regular M-16 upper.
The Shrike is designed from the ground up to be a belt-fed platform, it is not a "conversion" of a regular upper. Its built from scratch and simply utilizes the trigger group and buffer elements of the lower receiver as functional components so the Shrike upper isn't considered a firearm on it's own. It takes the best design elements from several of the most popular and reliable belt-fed MGs around the world and incorporate them into one weapon system.
I suggest if you get the chance to handle one and really look at the design and how it functions, if you can do so with an open mind you might just see that it really is a nice system.
It's most annoying aspect is that it's not a simple "drop on" addition to an M-16 lower. You have to change out the buffer, buffer spring, and the bolt stop for their proprietary ones. Now, once you've converted your lower with those, you can still use that adapted lower receiver with regular M-16/M4 uppers. I've done so with many configurations with no reliability problems using the Shrike buffer and spring. But, you do still need to do that one-time change of parts to a lower for the Shrike to work on it.
>>30578619
That's sounds 30 level stuff.
please please please please please
>>30578562
I question the utility of such a weapon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX7vwivR6cE
>>30577519
Introducing special snowflake caliber in an established enviroment ? good luck with that
>>30578088
>>30578404
>Shrike belt-fed upper receiver on an M4 lower receiver.
>Direct Impingement
>Machine Gun
Pick one and only one. There's a reason why the CAR, CAR 15 HAR, and the Colt CMG series failed. The DI system overheats faster than a gas piston system on a machine guns, especially since the gases are sent back into the reciever. This results are dangerous cook offs, and jamming from overheating the internals and warping, exploding or melting the barrel (Especially a thin barrel like the M4).
>>30576970
PKM
>>30577458
Holy shit. You've clearly never operated a 249 OR a 240, much less disassembled them and actually seen how they work. Get out of here before anyone else catches your stupid.
>>30576970
>tick tock
wagies staring at the clock:^)
enjoy waking up at 4am to pay for your wifes kids wagekeks, i'll be taking a nappynap til 10 then heading to the range :^)))))))
>>30577690
Some of us actually have operated the M249.
>>30576970
the only acceptable answer is a PKM in .556
>>30576970
>having m249s in your arms room
what is this pog shit
>>30579295
Gee Ivan, mom lets you have TWO pistol grips?
>>30576970
Not my children, please don't take my children!
>>30576970
Stoner 63
>>30578067
God bless
>>30577298
>Replace squad LMG with big clunky GPMG
no
MG4 or IMI Negev is the best bet tho
There are no M249s in any Infantry Companies, only 31s use them in weapons platoons.
they have been entirely replaced by the IAR
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>>30577458
If you don't know about something just don't talk shit about it
>>30576970
XM214 microgun
bullets are obsolete
volume of fire has always been a meme
Replace them with XM25's for now
>>30577436
Jesus christ this isn't 1981 go to bed.
Anyway.
Someone who blabbed about a fucked up bone in MEPS digging into their roles here, correct me if I fucked up anything.
The M240 fulfills the M60's role, the M249 gives good-enough suppressive ability alongside a lighter round, which means more of them. This is compounded by the M249 sharing ammo with the M16 platform which means no retooling to make more ammo other than linking some.
However the M240 is more heavily built, more reliable due to its heavy build and round, and what is cover from an M249 becomes concealment at engagement distances against a 240.
>>30581440
scaled down version. the ameli
LSAT DUBS
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>>30577534
Maybe.lets get a pic.
>>30578655
Oh yes.
>>30576970
HK 416
>>30582671
ie, M27 IAR
Why are they replacing it? Whats wrong
>>30579871
>Impblying Billy doesn't two pistol grips as well>>30578655
>>30582692
They're old and beat to shit.
Wasn't Wasn't the LSAT suppose to replace the SAW? Last I heard they have working prototypes and both cased and caseless ammo and the damn thing is suppose to weigh nothing.
>>30578266
First time if seen this trip and thank god it was this post so I know to ignore them
>m249 doesn't fuck up feed lips
Shrike isn't all that great but logistics would be improved.
Also if Shrike fired from open bolt then temp is a non-issue relatively speaking
>>30578326
There's also no proof for the non-existence of God.
>>30577328
We prefer not to have a whole squad of AG's to lug ammo.
>>30577553
By your metric that means it's as likely as not that he's a civilian with nit idea what he's on about.
>>30577684
Sounds like the one you had was just beaten all to hell and needed to be replaced.
Most outside of line units are still in decent working order.
>>30582731
>closed bolt AR would be a good LMG
Nice glass house you got there.
>>30582752
uh that's not how it works. There's also no proof for the non existence of the Easter Bunny.
>>30577418
>Commonly used phrase
So is Allah Akbar, Anon.
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I wholy expect an m249 replacement will be an m16 belt fed model with a beefy barrel possibly with quick detach barrels.
>>30577624
>>30577553
>half this board is military
funny way saying autist
oh wait thats the whole board
Pls make an mg3 in .556. None of that sissy faggot mg4 shut, I want a scaled down mg3 in .556
We've already moved on. All SOF units have 240L, Mk46 and Mk48.
Ultimax. Although it's magazine fed, it runs real nice, and the recoil is extremely tiny. I prefer it to the M249.
Or Negev. But i find it decent only.
>>30582793
>didn't read my post correctly
Nice reading comprehension you fucking dolt
>>30577181
Why has no one yet taken a picture of an AR 15 with a sheet with some holes in it to show off their ghost gun mod?
Anyone in this thread that's said MMG thank you. you are the real heros.
>>30582837
CETME Ameli
>>30579231
The SAW kind of looks like an upside down AK on the inside. lol
>>30577003
A tip of the fedora to you, good sir.
Why not take the IAR concept to its logical conclusion and make a 5.56 FG-42?
Thanks to the side mounted magwell it could use elongated mags for extra capacity without the feeding issues of drums and casket mags. In situations where you might want better balance you can just use 30 rounders.
>>30582956
Man, I need private jet. Go to Spain and have one 'accidently' get on the plane.
ATF pls no kill my doggos.
>Not long now, before the M249s in inventory will need to be replaced
You mean like 10 years ago
>>30576970
It's already been pretty much confirmed by DARPA and the DOD.
America's next LMG is going to be the LSAT in 6.5 creedmore telescoped which gets roughly the same dimensions as regular 556.
6.5 telescoped creedmore is also going to be made the standard round. Right now, development on the round's polymers is still going on, to see if cheaper alternatives can be used, or if they can be 3D printed en mass.
Rumor mill is going around saying that things will also shift to P90 style mags and bullpups being that having 50 some rounds in a totally ambi system with bottom ejection, is fucking nuts. No word on gas system though, only that's the general layout we're going to see.
Honestly, we entirely could see a M14 style AR, where the gas system is flipped 180 degrees, the gun feeds like the P90, and ejects from the bottom, all wrapped in a bullpup system.
>>30581827
>However the M240 is more heavily built, more reliable due to its heavy build
Its more reliable due to not being worn the fuck out
The minimi came out in '75. The "saw is a pos" meme didn't come out till much later
I don't give a shit how well built a truck is, if you make it the daily driver or teenagers for 2-4 years at a time for 30 years it's not coming out cherry
>>30582752
The massive lack of evidence to support every other claim in most writing outside of "here are some people that lived here at the time"
Nothing disproves the existence of a God, but there is fuck all to support classical gods
>>30582812
>I wholy expect an m249 replacement will be an m16 belt fed model with a beefy barrel possibly with quick detach barrels.
>M16 anything
Anon they try to move away from that with every trial
>>30577624
M249 is kind of shit senpai.
I'd prefer m240 any day. Even if i hate dissaembling it.
>>30577436
>M60E6 better than M240/FN Mag
>>30578482
You mean Ultimax ? Namely the Ultimax 100.
>>30577519
The swedes at FN MAG chambered in 6.5x55mm for about a decade. That would have been sweet to shoot.
What's the difference between the M249 and a regular Minimi?
>>30584597
There are several different versions of both. They are pretty much the same
>>30583031
because the FG42 is a sad, underwhelming piece of shit that's only been saved from widespread ridicule by the combination of asthetics and profound rarity.
>>30584597
mainly heat shied on the barrel. That's the most iconic thing to differentiate between the two.
>>30582837
>.556
KYS
>>30583639
The 240 is the easiest LMG ever to st
>>30584687
bullshit. They both have and have not, depends on the version.
>>30578655
The only correct answer.
>>30579871
>Looks like jim doesnt know about the prypiat batalion.
>>30583031
without drums the capacity just doesn't compare to a belt fed. AK drum mags tend to be more reliable since they don't have to run though a longass mag well. It's the dildo shaped AR drum mags usually suck. If the mag well could be shortened to fit AK style drum mags then there might be something in the idea. The notch in AR mags isn't terribly far down, they could probably get it to work with both drums and regular mags.
>>30588402
I mean with decent drums the IAR might be viable. I don't think that a sideways magwell is particularly useful
>>30581456
sounds like my soldiers will need to bail out some more marines in the future.
>>30582884
MK46 is somewhat brittle
