ITT: we design the best emergency survival knife.
Something for emergency kits in vehicles, life rafts, ect.
Has to be one multipurpose tool since you might not have room to carry multiple tools and to save space for more emergency rations, water, first aid and other supplies.
>>30557435
>we design best emergency survival knife
it already exist dumbass.
>>30557435
Square tip to avoid stabbing yourself or anyone else while cutting seatbelts/sinking the raft, make it a single bevel blade for ease of sharpening. Probably use 440C and 304SS on the bolsters for corrosion resistance, handle out of something UV resistant like black HDPE
>>30557435
>>30557464
If you are looking for a knife like your pic try the buck reaper. Edgy as fuck but it's like a tiny cuckri
>>30557444
>trip fedora
It's already a thing. INFI is some bad fucking steel, my dude. And I'm psyched as fuck for those slow fucks to finish my BB13 probably around october or november.
>>30557464
>>30557469
Someone's a little late to the party
>>30557584
The best survival knife that Busse makes is the B11, which is in every way perfect
>>30557615
No, this is perfection, son
Here's my thoughts for a survival knife:
Fix blade for strength
Glass break point for hilt
Partial serrated for cutting seat belt, rope, bone etc
5" blade (not too big or small for storage and use)
Some grippy af handle scale for wet conditions
As gay as it looks i suppose a tanto or similar style tip would be strongest design
Definitely have good guard so no hand slippage
Steel??? Carbon is strong so reliable when pushed in emergency but if its an emergency style knife people probs arnt maintaining it so to keep it good in storage, perhaps stainless is the go
Id say if a knife had these features it would be good for alot of situations despite looking utterly retarded and lame
>>30557729
For an all purpose survival kit i think you need something between a knife and a machete, something you could use to process wood and brush while still being an effective knife.
>>30557745
i don't get why you would need any machete qualities. You can get firewood by picking up branches and breaking them, and a small knife is far easier to use and carry.
>>30557797
Yeah that was my thought process when making the description, in a survival situation youre not looking for a long term outdoor lifestyle, processing wood for your bonfires.
Although i do get the other guys thought process and i think that in certain conditions he would be right, ie trapped in a tropical area
>>30557797
There are many situations like being lost at sea where you might wash up on an island, or being lost in Alaska, that can take days or weeks before anyone finds you and just collecting branches isnt going to help you for too long.
Hell, you can be lost for days just in a few miles of woods.
I have been thinking about a sort of multipurpose walking stick that would have a bayonet attachment for survival knife -type knife.
The knife itself can be pretty much anything. But the stick could turn it into a short-ish spear, and with a few other things it could work as a lean-to pole etc.
Any thoughts?
>>30557584
make this into a multitool and you win.
>>30557882
have you ever been innawoods? Finding branches, or breaking them off trees is the easiest shit ever.
A machete/kukhri is useful, but not really necessary, as long as you have a regular survival knife.
Sure, bring an axe if you expect to be out long in the wilderness, but for a regular bug out bag, a knife would be better.
>>30557910
>10" multitool
Making a sheath with tool pouches or a pocket for a separate multitool would be a better idea.
>>30557915
Yeah you're right man, this is especially true in countries like Aus caus we got massive hard woods that a machete wont do shit against but litter the ground with branches
>>30557915
Its easy but that fire isnt going to last long, you need thick firewood otherwise youre going to be spending all of your time picking branches.
And this isnt for camping or bug out situations, its for sudden emergencies like being shipwrecked or your plane going down over the Alaskan tundra.
>>30557905
like it
but i wouldn't pay more than 50 bucks for it.
>>30557905
Why bayonet style instead of a screw on spear top ?
>>30558051
Because you don't need to carry that extra speartip. Less shit to haul.
You WILL be carrying your knife, so if it has a bayonet attachment, you can get some extra use out of it by turning it into spear.
>>30558071
ah i see, i assumed that the knife came with the spear so you could design it to screw on.
>>30558071
>>30558113
giving it a shelf and some straps to clamp it down would work though to turn it into a makeshift spear
better yet a design like that could fit pretty much any survival knife
>>30558129
tru, very tru
>/k/'s answer to putting a knife on a stick is to make a better stick
Well as much as it may sound like a good idea we cant exactly go about making every knife a better knife to make it fit on our stick
>>30558224
>>30558339
What is This dank meme?
there u go
>>30558694
we are talking about the guys idea for a hiking stick>>30557905
>>30557905
>>30559448
whilst those look pretty tacti-cool, i feel as though all that stuff could simlpy be put in your pocket rather than elaborately tied to a funny looking stick
>>30557592
>AR
>>30559590
Kudos, you'd be amazed how few times that's been caught.
>>30559617
I have trouble believing that
>>30557592
>Day 16
>The Americans still think I'm an AR
>>30559448
i want one of these
>>30557545
>cuckri
For future use.
>>30558051
If you need a spear, you are likely to need it quickly.
>>30559788
You'd be surprised, you're like the 3rd person to point it out in 2 or so years of me posting that pic with that name.
Admittedly I originally fucked up and just never changed it.
>>30559617
wouldnt mind having one of those
>>30557435
Punchknife/dagger
+ its as small and stable as it gets for a fixed blade
+ perfect as work-knife for hunters
+ best combat-knife design i.e. can easily be punched through a ribcage
- performs poorly for woodworking
- awkward (but still usable) for food prepping
- legality issues in some states and countries
>>30557435
>ITT: we design the best emergency survival knife.
it's been done already, and it doesn't work (pic related).
A single, multi-purpose tool is good if you want something because #yolo, fuck it, but if you want a good knife, get a good knife.
>>30558770
this anon is correct.
What you want is a roughly 4'' blade, 1/8'' thick and made of quality steel (with a good heat treat), preferably full tang (true full tang, not "hur, durr, stick tangz iz ful tangz"), drop point or spear point, scandi grind with a 90 degree spine, and comfortable handle with no guard, and no choils/finger grooves. (pic will follow)
>>30561345
>(pic will follow)
and here is an example.
>>30561273
>- performs poorly for woodworking
>- awkward (but still usable) for food prepping
so the opposite of a good survival knife.
>>30561345
>(true full tang, not "hur, durr, stick tangz iz ful tangz")
You seem determined to be wrong about that.
>>30561387
WE WUZ TANGS N SHIT
>>30557435
I think people in this thread should take a gander at http://www.ds-tactical.org/
>>30561345
I dont think you understand the difference between an emergency knife and a prepper bait tacticool knife.
>>30561408
Are you incapable of communicating outside of memespeak?
>>30561376
>asks for emergency kit knife
>posts expensive high maintenance knife
Okay.
God, I wish more of /k/ would get /out/ once in awhile.
Literally, you need :
>Boy's axe
>4" knife
>Sharp folding knife
>Folding saw or Bucksaw
If you're an ultralight faggot you could literally get by with just a 4" knife and folding saw.
1 multipurpose tool is the dumbest fucking concept. You wouldn't want to have to survive with just a leatherman or Swiss Army knife.
>>30561772
Did you even read the OP?
>>30561772
/out/ might not approve of the axe, possibly even the saw.
Fire and bushcraft tools are mostly not needed unless you're doing forestry work or maintaining your property
>>30561376
>so the opposite of a good survival knife.
I guess it depends on what you expect to actually survive. Woodworking may not be relevant in every situation but still if its a pushknife (not dagger) it could still be used to pound through wood if you makeshift a mallet or are you insisting that a survival knife has to be able to carve?
As for food prepping its obviously more awkward but that doesn't make it unfit for the task now does it?
>>30557905
attach a 4 winds shotgun to one end or both ends
you now have shotgun spear
>>30561387
you seem determined to be stupid. Like I said - a proper full tang, not "technically full tang". Your stubborn insistence on semantics doesn't make a stick tang approprate for a survival knife.
>>30561462
explain?
>>30561518
That's just an example of the kind of knife that makes a good survival knife. You could just as well use a $45 knife like a condor bushlore or something.
>>30561905
I'm insisting that a survival knife has to be very comfortable to use for extended periods of time using ALL possible hand positions.
If it's less than 10/10 in any of them, look for another knife.
What you posted has an extremely narrow specialisation, and a handle that supports exactly one type of grip.
>>30557435
Needs a small nook in the bottom part of the blade, needs a seatbelt cutter and can opener.
other than that, pretty perfect.
>>30562166
yeah, but why would you be in this situation with only a knife? it seems like you're seeking out an implausible scenario to use something impractical.
>>30562166
That sounds pretty unreasonable m8 and I am pretty sure there is no 10/10 knife that somehow defies physics and makes no concessions.
Maybe I am wrong but you seem to be talking out of your ass.
>>30562113
A proper full tang is any tang that goes in 1 piece through the handle. What you're referring to is a slab tang.
>Your stubborn insistence on semantics doesn't make a stick tang approprate for a survival knife.
Of course not, the fact that stick tangs have been (and still are) the standard of much of the world makes stick tangs appropriate for survival knives.
>>30561873
or in a cool or cold or wet+rainy clime or i n prolonged survival situation in which you need daily fires
>>30563383
Why do you think you need daily fires? And why do you think you need to process heavy timber to get a fire?
Its called a rat tail tang
>>30564298
A stick tang is necessarily one piece with the blade and is generally a uniform width throughout its length. A rat tail tang starts out at one thickness and then gets markedly thinner all at once and may include welds.
sorry i thought it was referencing the kukri
personally i think, now op can correct me if im wrong, that what we are trying to make is a knife for an emergency situation rather than a survival situation.
By this i mean, a survival knife can be a 7" full, slab, mega 1/2" thick knife for processing, killing and cutting and will be great for extended use.
On the other hand, a emergency type knife i think doesnt have to the most comfortable or formidable chunk of steel as it is only being used to get you out of an emergency situation and keep you alive for perhaps a week or two before rescue.
If your in the wild for any longer and youre the average civilian with no out door knowledge it doesnt matter what knife you got from the emergency pack.
>>30557905
That is pretty cool. I like it. For a unit to have the knife as a longer AF survival knife, the stick of a good wood with nice and solid connectors for the knife or maybe an attachable axe head, and a tarp cut to be a good tent but still all purpose with a connector on one end to fit the bayonet lug, it could easily cost less than or equal to $50.
>>30564680
Kukris often do have stick tangs, theirs are usually just tapered. This is fairly common on large blades, more pics to follow.
Ironically enough, katanas were very similar to the slab tang crowbars that /k/ loves. People tend to grossly underestimate the amount of metal in these things.
>>30564561
Fucking hideous.
>>30561345
>Scandi grind
Enjoy your fragile as shit meme grind
>B-but muh bushcraft
Design emergency knife
>Stick with bayonet capability
>>30564968
Essentially this, as well as being a good multitasker knife.
Half the people in this thread dont realize that people who get lost or have to use an emergency life raft dont always pretend to be wilderness experts on /k/ and that giving them your favorite high end basic knife while still useful would be a very lacking tool. Not to mention the salty wet environment would turn those kind of knives to a rusty stick in no time.
You need something big that has the ability to easily chop things while still easy to use for carving and regular knife work.
The alternate to a kukuri design would be a parang design but those are often heavier but still do about the same amount of work.
>>30557464
>>30557469
it's beautiful
>>30562437
not at all. the handle I described is fairly easy to make (pic related for example) - what you don't want, is a heavily profiled handle with grooves/choils, that is only comfortable in one hand position, and will cause hot spots almost instantly when using a different grip.
>>30562564
yeah, i have a kukri as well - 3/8'' thick, properly balanced stick tang that's not going to break any time soon. And the scandinavians have been using stick tang knives for centuries. Still, in a situation when your tools are limited, and you may have to subject your knife to more abuse than you normally wood. When all experienced woodsmen (think Mors, Ray, Les, and Dave) are talking about "full tang knives", they sure as hell don't mean "technically full tang, stick tang knives".
Follow the spirit, not the letter.
>>30566381
>fragile
you have a serious case of anal ventriloquism, mate.
>>30559448
the hell is all that stuff?
>>30568369
>Oh no is the Chris Tanner shill again
I'm out of this thread
>>30568386
>Let me just reply with something random because I got called on my shitty grind that only perfoms good with wood
>>30568634
why, your poor fragile ego can't handle the truth?
As it happens, the jx2 has the best designed, and most comfortable handle i have ever used, and I've used quite a few.
Sure, it's expensive, and if id didn't have pm101's logo stamped on it, it would probably be $50 cheaper, but no one is telling you to buy it.
As for scandi grinds, you fell for a meme, dude.
When someone asks you "why is there a microbevel on your scandi grind", the correct answer is "because i can't sharpen it properly", not "because it makes it stronger".
Scandi grind is the best general purpose grind, and it's not fragile at all (unless your knife is of poor quality). I have chopped through branches with that jx2 (literally smacking it, edge-first, against 2'' branches) and nothing bad happened to it - no chips, no rolling. In other words - git gud.
>>30557905
fuck off lindybeige
>>30568369
>When all experienced woodsmen (think Mors, Ray, Les, and Dave) are talking about "full tang knives", they sure as hell don't mean "technically full tang, stick tang knives".
OK.
Slab tangs are a type of full tang and if those people prefer slab tang that's cool, I do too. None of that makes stick tangs inappropriate for survival knives.
>>30568408
paracord and matches
>>30568705
Not him, but my geometric definition, the scandi grind is inferior in terms of stress resistance than a double-bevel grind of equal bevel angle.
That is not to say a good steel can't help compensate this, or that scandi is inferior. Scandi is in fact a better cutter BECAUSE it lacks the secondary bevel, but that performance comes at the expense of the edge strength.
There is no single best steel, or single best blade, or single best handle material, or single best anything. EVERYTHING has strengths and weaknesses.
>>30571201
I agree with your statement that stick tang knives are capable survival knives, but just to be clear all the knives in your picture are stick tang not for performance, but for cost-per-unit output. They're all low-cost, quick-production factory made knives for the military, who buy from the lowest bidder.
A knife with a stacked leather handle and a block-pommel with a holding pin is much easier to make than a slab tang with two or more rods, enough epoxy for strength but not too much so that it spills out, form-fitted wooden or plastic or whatever handles, and so on.
They're stick tang and cylindrical stacked-leather handles because it is cheap to do so, and for no other reason.
>>30572905
>the lowest bidder
That pic represents several different makers and not even all of the ones that made that knife for the US.
>>30572905
The ones used in the air force had to withstand the force of being ejected out of a jet as well as be able to cut through the body of a plane, so theres no doubt on their durability.
>>30571201
Except the fact that if the handle comes off it's still a fully functional knife, a stick tang is not. Granted, that's a weak excuse, and a lot of the hate for stick tangs comes from poor quality knives with loose fit and finish.
It's not a huge deal, but it's just that one less thing to go wrong.
>>30557905
You can also use it to carry all your shit.
nothing new under the sun
>>30557444
I love this board.
>>30561408
>WE WUZ TANGS N SHITZ
got me, mongoloid.
>>30557435
>Something for emergency kits in vehicles, life rafts, ect.
vehicle - Bowie to compliment my folder. Don't mind having a machete instead..
life raft - Definately machete.
Notch the top to grab branches while in raft.
Can use it as a paddle if you have to.
easy to serrate the top for sawing on stuff if you're into that sort of thing.
they come in longer lengths than bowies, so you can whack at water snakes that get to close if you want.
Plenty of "realestate" on the blade to shape into any specific use suited to you ahead of time.
Machetes are pretty cool man.
>>30557797
>Rain
>No fire
>Die of Hypothermia in one night.
>>30559448
>ban assault sticks!
The shape and bright colors remind me of the snipers in Splatoon. The flashlight / tube thing on the side looks like a scope. It'd be funny to make it a blowgun or airgun
>>30557905
Make it so I can attach a swiss sawback bayonet to it.
>>30557584
I fucking love INFI I have a mud razor that's my main load out knife
>>30557435
A gun
the Gerber lmfii is highly functional. So is the SOG Seal Team Pup. Both of those are well balanced, have good kydex sheeths, are not overly long, and have been shown to hold up under a lot of stress.
>>30579987
can you cut firewood with a gun?
>>30580822
Can you?
MSK-1
>>30582191
bed design, try again.
All of you, hear me! The perfect knife already exists, although not many know about it.
Pic related.
>>30583255
not many know about it, because it's nothing special. I have a score of better knives.
>>30583496
Do you have this knife or have you otherwise used it?
>>30557444
.
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
>>30583255
>"I didnt read the thread" the knife
>>30583909
What's wrong?
>>30583905
holy shit I haven't seen that pasta in fucking ages
>>30583689
no, on both counts - there are far too many knives out there for anyone to have used them all, and my OCD "collection" only has 30-something knives in it.
Still, my point stands - it is a simple drop point FFG blade, without a sharp spine, and completely unremarkable.
It's nowhere near "perfect", as the shill suggests every time he posts his priceless "ultimate knife".
It's not a bad design - certainly a good survival knife, but there are many better ones still. Genesis, GNS, SBT - hell, I'd take an esee 3hm over the sisipukko, because it has a much better handle design.
Pic related is what I carry most of these days.
>>30584200
>completely unremarkable
I'd say you are underestimating the sissipuukko but I doubt I'd be able to convince you. You seem to have too strong prejudice. It's a bit shame really.
>>30584329
underestimating how?
There's not a snowball's chance in hell I'd buy one - like I said - i have 30+ knives, of which I only really use 5 or 6, the rest are just knives I've used at one time or another, currently collecting dust.
Then again - I have no need for it (that's what I tell myself until I buy another knife), since I already have better knives.
to be honest - the sissipuukko looks like a fairly no-nonsense knife, but that's all it is.
>>30584435
It's indestructible, it carves, chops and splits well, easy to sharpen, doesen't rust easily, the sheath is genious... (And it has an interesting history.) Of course you can't know for sure without trying it but that doesn't seem to happen.
>>30584538
>It's indestructible, it carves, chops and splits well, easy to sharpen, doesen't rust easily,
you can say the same about the tom brown tracker (yes, I deliberately picked one of the most hated knives as an example).
Indestructible is a marketing gimmick - 4.25mm spine is overkill - 3mm is quite enough to withstand anything short of complete, intentional retardation.
It all comes down to how much effort does it take to get things done. The knives I posted cut better, and the sissipuukko isn't going to outchop a 660 gram kukri any time soon.
Like I said - it's neither very original, nor supernatural, and certainly not the second cumming of Jose Christ.
A fucking buck 119 is fine.
>>30559788
absolutely disgusting
>>30584770
I still find it strange that you can say this and that about the sissipuukko compared to other knives without having any experience with it but each to their own. It's not my loss in the end.
>>30584881
do explain exactly how a 6'' drop poing, 7/32'' spine, full flat ground blade is so different from every other FFG blade with a 58 HRC edge.
I'll grant you that the sissipuukko is a very solid design, but ultimately, there is nothing that remarkable about it.
Hell - the knife I posted is just a fancy, semi-custom knife with a multitide of equally effective counterparts (helle temagami for example).
I don't like the aestethics of the sissipuukko, and like I said - the blade is too much on the beefy side compared to knives with 1/8'' spines.
>>30585117
Ok, you win. Enjoy your better knives. I'll continue using my sissipuukko.
>>30585193
sure. No blood, no foul.
>>30583255
I'll bite, what is so great about it?
>>30585350
Apparently nothing. I'm tired of debating. Read a few of the previous posts. Someone else even posted a review from some magazine.
This thread quickly turned into just a show and tell of everyones favorite knives.
>>30585787
most threads do.
>>30585350
i'm the person he was arguing with - the sissipuukko is a very solid design - just like a number of other, similar knives. That's why I said it was unremarkable.
That's the thing about knives - designing one is a bit like trying to build a better mouse trap. There's a basic design that works, and if you go overboard, you end up with some kind of monstrosity (picture posted for laughs).
As for user knives - this has been done to death already, but the "ideal" knife is along the lines of:
4'' blade
1/8'' thick
spear point or drop point
scandi grind
90 degree spine
simple (and very comfortable) handle with a lanyard hole.
You really shouldn't stray frome these specs without good reason (ie needing a knife for a specific task).
>>30585975
Fair enough, personally I would go for something similar functionally, but something less generic looking. Not for style mind you, but in my experience, plain designs make it easier for someone to get away with stealing from you.
Ders this huge ass prybar for sale for $91 USD.
Probably a good idea to have something that could make short work of limbs, just in case.
whats that russian survival knife that has a bunch of features?
i remember it had some kind of protractor like markings so you could estimate how far or tall something was by looking down the blade
>>30568303
the difference between loose and lose
>>30586709
"spetsnaz machete"
according to the youtube guy Survival Russia most of the ones on the market are cheap clones, distinguishable by the brown hollow storage handle that the originals don't have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtoAWasai-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDlK1tXTwXQ
short version of the second video: his machete came dull as hell so it performed poorly. The sawback actually worked.
