Why are people so confident that the US can win against China? The US never learned anything in WW2 aren't they.
Why are people so confident that US and China will have a war? People never learned anything in WW2 aren't they.
>>30557240
China in WW2 was beaten by Japs. Then Soviets came and clear whole China from Japs within 1 month.
>>30557255
What the Soviets did was amazing but it wasnt the whole of China. It was Manchuria, northern Korea, Sakhalin and the Kuril island chain.
The rest of China was still occupied by the Japs AFAIK.
AI piloted F-22s are killing our best pilots at 4 to one ratios. An F-22 has a 30 to one kill ratio against any other plane.
30 times 4 is 120. A dozen f-22s with AI piloting could wipe out the entire Chinese airforce.
>>30557240
No one does really think USA would win a large scale conflict against China. It's the classic situation of a stalemate situations.
>>30557281
The rest of China was never occupied. In fact China's strong defence was the reason Japan decided to attack the USA and moving the focus on the Navy in SEA.
>>30557331
China was mostly just farmers with pitchforks.
>>30557240
>The US never learned anything in WW2 aren't they
> aren't they
So close, Xi Liam, but you still need to work on your English
>>30557240
During Korean War, the US greatly underestimated Chinese(their initial reaction on their intervention was lol k what can they do and then they were pushed back heavily) which is why North Korea still exist, while a lot has changed, you can bet that they have learned 'something' from it.
>>30557331
Obviously you learned history from your laundry shi-fu.
>>30557285
lol is it really 30:1?
TOO BAD YOU CANT HAVE ANY NORMAL DISCUSSION HERE WITHOUT AMERIFATS AUTISTS SHITTING IT UP
>>30557373
Lol dat laundry shi fu was busy in his education career then.
>>30557357
Which deployed successful guerilla tactics which created a stalemate situation which made it impossible for Japan to win the war even before the USA joined the war.
The Second Sino-Japanese War was the biggest mistake in the Japanese history. Impossible to win the war in China, running out of ressources, were they forced to attack Pearl Harbor and trying to gain the ressources in SEA.
>>30557387
If it was F-35 it would be over 9000:1
>>30557404
idk, about 9K:1
the f35 does carry more weapons
but the f22 has all the new F35 sensors as of early 2016.
>>30557285
I think you should take an AI behaving within a simulator with a grain of salt.
If you consider a grain to be the salt content of the dead sea.
>>30557410
>idk, about 9K:1
over 9k:1 against F-22 in newest config of course
older planes it would be somewhat like 30000k:0.000001.
F-35 is so dangerous that I don't know why is USA allowing for its export.
>>30557331
This is the dumbest thing I've read all day.
>>30557388
I have an idea.
Why don't you go back to your little country, start a board of your own and talk to yourself.
>>30557402
this
>>30557375
Not that guy, but Wang would be a better name,
>>30557375
Teachers are called lao shi
>>30557240
TAIWAN #1
JAPAN #2
WORST KOREA #3
CHINA #4
USA #0
>>30557388
Lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep.
Go back to your tenement, Chao Lang. 0.50yen has been deposited to your account :-)
>>30557240
>The US never learned anything in WW2 aren't they.
Prease to herro from China
>>30557240
>The US never learned anything in WW2 aren't they.
No! Bad chinese. All your base are belong to us!
>>30557240
My ancestors learned how poor China's military was so they moved to the country that eventually conquered the Japs. One became an MP in the US Army and pushed nips around for maximum irony.
>>30557240
>Why are people so confident that the US can win against China?
Win what, exactly? What kind of conflict are you even talking about?
>>30557240
>The US never learned anything in WW2 aren't they.
Maybe not, but I am pretty sure they learned correct English way before WW2.
>>30558185
War with the intention of completely collapsing enemy government and any military ability to fight back.
>>30558185
The Ching Chong Lama Nama Ding Dong War
>>30558292
Well just them going to war would probably completely destroy both of their economies so I'd say they both win.
>>30557404
Only in terms of price per unit over other planes.
>>30558185
Maybe it's a "being Chinese" contest. China probably wins that one.
http://m.sfgate.com/opinion/article/China-s-culture-clash-over-Kung-Fu-Panda-2365499.php
>>30557365
underrated post
>>30558537
>Why can't we produce such brilliant movies ourselves?
Why wouldn't the USA be confident? Reminder that it took BOTH CHINA and USSR to push USA back in the Korean War. USA is such a superpower that it took one superpower and another great power to defeat it.
>>30557240
Win? Depends on what that's supposed to mean. No one thinks that the US could successfully occupy mainland China, if that's what you think. But the US Navy would push the PLAN's shit in--especially if it can identify the locations of all the "carrier-killer" ballistic missile sites.
>>30558537
American produced 'Chinese culture' is as authentic as Chinese produced 'Chinese culture' after Mao eradicated the real thing.
China's A2/AD capabilities will absolutely crush the US in littoral and coastal combat, any serious conflict would end in stalemate, with the US having taken serious losses.
Building a power projection capability is insanely expensive, countering it is far cheaper to do with anti ship ballistic missiles and diesel electric attack subs, which are exactly what China has been investing in.
>>30557523
>F-35 is so dangerous that I don't know why is USA allowing for its export.
They need to outmatch what they have created while they gain profit. It's an absolute win-win situation for America.
>>30557240
China can't even invade Vietnam, Jesus Christ. What the hell were you smoking anon?
>>30557240
America have been supporting China since before WW2 and now China is at No.2 economicaly.
then China says "America! You fired!"
History will finally fix it following natural
The only real problem with some US vs China issue is that the US currently has zero ability to launch amphibious operations, so if theres something like an occupied taiwan, the US has no ability to retake it.
>>30559175
Even if America is the most technologically advanced nation on the planet, no person could not underestimate the might of Chinese army especially if you're someone who live near China (Japan, Phillipines, Vietnam, etc) and if conventional war explodes then all those countries will be the ones to be affected while the US army could run just away if their army loses that war, but could come back only to see a pile of rubble in those affected countries.
With the upcoming mass-production (currently LRIP) of the J-20A, the fields will even out a bit.
>>30559227
History of America exists for creating China as Super power .
>>30559267
The history of China exists to pollute itself while creating cheap plastic goods to sell to America.
>>30559366
>creating cheap plastic goods to sell to America
supported by american money and companies
>>30559243
Ok.
>>30558632
thanks
>>30557388
>Starts thread with shitpost about the US
>cry when people shitpost back
>>30559477
So it exists even more thoroughly to serve America than I thought.
>>30559243
If not just because of the larger radar diameter, the GaN AESA will give the J-20 an edge, though.
>>30557402
China is America's best friend
Chinese navy holds massive combat drills in disputed South China Sea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doLYaqpZVC0
Warships, supporting vessels and planes from China's Northern, Eastern and Southern Fleet were mobilised for the exercises, according to CCTV. The exercises took place on Friday between Hainan Island and the Paracel Islands, known in China as Xisha Islands. The military drills come a few days ahead of an expected ruling by the Permanent Court of Arbitration, based in the Hague, on China's disputed territorial claims. The case was brought by the Philippines.
China paper warns US of 'price' to pay in South China Sea
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-paper-warns-us-of-price-to-pay-in-south-china-sea/2016/07/06/2ebfc3e2-4345-11e6-a76d-3550dba926ac_story.html
Betrayer will never be trusted is what both of America and China is thinking and they are blaming eachother for everything
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
Same thing as last time
>>30557775
>Lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep.
Tywin Lannister please
I'm not an accredited analyst or expert on the PLA/CCP but I know a decent amount about them.
We don't have too much to worry about. Our ability to cut off their oil and food and the overwhelming superiority we have in our capacity to decapitate their leadership means their ability to engage in any kind of prolonged war with us is negligible.
Their biggest strategic concerns right now are to ensure food security and create an oil (and trade) pipeline in Central Asia/the Russia Far East so that the USN can't buttfuck them into submission via blockade. They are pursuing these policy goals full tilt right now, and are not close to achieving them. Even if they develop this capacity we can still create enough chaos in their population and infrastructure if war was declared that the country would fragment.
China provokes America,Russia,India,Japan and ASEAN at same time.
>>30559999
I follow this stuff too (I'm >>30560641) and I'm curious what your background is and where you find this information.
How long until the ASEAN countries actual fight back, economically or militarily in the SCS? They all love Chinese money but will they accept China's "tax"? It's gonna be like "ACCEPT THE HIGHLY MARKED UP PRICE OF NAVIGATING THIS SEA OR ELSE!" or "IF YOU WANT TO FISH HERE, YOU HAVE TO PAY CHINA!"
>>30560737
SCS isn't about money or rocks, it's somewhat about mineral extraction rights that aid in long term national security, but it's primarily about food security.
http://www.jamestown.org/programs/chinabrief/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=45574&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=25&cHash=dd185d0ec4852032960b29a6cc55b07c#.V4FN6PT3bCQ
>>30560700
That anon knows what he is talking about. One side of my family had high level connections in the US Navy back in the 60s and his post in a nutshell was the same war plan. They knew back then Chinese population would be their undoing. There is just too many of them to feed during a major war. They would starve to death.
Anyways like has been discussed a million times the Chinese government has so much US investment they would never lose that kind of money over a war. They are just dick swinging.
>>30560737
ASEAN
b..but China is America's friend? Isn't it?
Australia
We bet both of China and America
>>30560788
Food security and money are the same problem. China can own the food and resell it back to ASEAN countries at ludicrous prices. Remember that China is a corporation (state capitalism) so it wants to accumulate as much capital and profit as possible.
>>30560813
If you're under a blockade, money is worthless. You can't eat money.
But yes China's govt is pursuing a state merchantilist strategy. They don't buy into (or at least are getting to the point where they have the power to not have to pretend to buy into) the globalization con of American world currency uniting a global market.
China is just way, way too far behind technologically speaking.
>b-b-but muh stealth and muh carrier missiles
Yeah, on paper they're nice but they've nothing combat tested or for that matter in large scale production.
Same goes with on the ground. Your average chinese conscript is both underequipped and undertrained compared to your average U.S. soldier.
It's nearly a meme.
>>30560860
China no longer uses largescale conscription, except on paper.
Both PLA and Militia units are rapidly moving towards full-kit modernization. They're behind, but PLA leadership (who are conservative about this kind of thing) estimate they will have full force modernization and "informatization" within 15-20 years.
>>30560641
Naive and underestimating the Chinese preserverance.
Seriously. You make the same mistake the Japanese made when they invaded China and thought that their civil war that they fought back then would make them surrender in merely 3 weeks.
In the end, the Japs never managed to make China surrender in 8 years and after killing 20 million Chinese.
There's one thing every Chinese hates more than their authoritarian rulers: Outside aggressors hell bent to bring them down. The rally around the flag effect that the US would create by striking China's mainland would be enormous.
>>30557240
Name 1 thing that we didn't learn in WW2
>>30557388
Lol. U mad bro?
>>30557240
America doesn't even need to "win" against China. The Chinese are killing themselves. Something like 75% of the country is already heavily polluted. Between that and the horrible quality of construction all the US has to do is wait.
>>30559999
GaN does not automatically make the radar better if the radar itself is inferior.
It is like saying Byelka is a better radar than Irbis by default because it is AESA even though it has a significantly shorter detection range.
>>30560942
20Watt peak power and having more T/R modules means that it is automatically better. Sorry to say.
>>30560849
> If you're under a blockade, money is worthless. You can't eat money.
No, but having an ample supply of food allows your corporation to have assets and be profitable. More profit equals more growth. China's loosening of the one child policy and its massive economic growth shows that it has no interest in being sustainable. This is the contradiction of being a state capitalist country (or capitalist in general). China can't moderate itself so it must consume everything.
>>30560939
WTF is going on here?
>>30560900
Managing a bunch of Chinese
1.If you can
China starts War against outside of of their territory (and this is what happening now)
2.If you can not
A bunch of Chinese spreads around Asia with small weapons and other weapons and spread a ton of conflicts (China knows what foreign countries what this is happening so Chinese people show others the aggresive behaviour and provocaion)
>>30560955
Than which radar?
>>30560900
This.
If the Americans really besiege China and want to make Chinese starve to death; and it is made clear that the Americans are at fault, the Chinese civilians would actually donate their own flesh for their soldiers to cannibalize so that they can fight on. This has happened numerous times in Chinese history, last time during WWII when the Japs besieged Changsha for months end.
The Chinese might not look like it, but they are able and used to suffering and an extremely gritty way to fight a long attritional war.
>>30560986
Remember the video of the Chinese mother who got sucked into the machinery at the top of an escalator while her son watched?
>>30560900
>In the end, the Japs never managed to make China surrender in 8 years and after killing 20 million Chinese.
In the end, Japan took everything it wanted from China and was defeated by foreign powers.
>>30561060
What did they take? Japan wanted to harness Chna's manpower and resources to create their pacific empire, but in the end, China became their Vietnam: A stalemate that costed them the majority of their manpower and dealt them the heaviest losses in military manpower.
>>30561085
>6th Type 052D Red-Aegis Destroyer named after Urumqi
>11th named after Lhasa, Tibet
>12th named after Taipeih
>>30560987
pick one what you like
A dynasity of China in China mainland exists.
War against foreign countries and destory others and itself
A none dynasity(or government) exists in China mainland
Conflict Spreads Around the Globe and Civil war destory others and itself
>>30557240
Well, the thing is that the reason US gets so much criticism in every war it was in is because US is open to criticism. After every war US armed forces gets criticized by public and itself, and they end up focusing improving.
Only information on Chinese armed forces is coming from Chinese resources and they're not really known for their accuracy. Seeing how much stupidity there is in US I feel like there would be much more going on in an armed force that has spent less time in actual wars and has no legacy in modern combat.
90s Iraqi army was no joke but US had been really successful, and again the last invasion except for prolonged insurgency had been quite successful as well. US really does have some kind of armed forces tradition, which I believe China lacks. Also there is the fact that there is a huge difference in their military budgets, and also the fact that US air force + navy operates more aircraft than (I have no source but you can see where I'm getting at) the rest of the world and aircraft are quite important in modern warfare. Considering these I'm pretty sure that US would be able to deny China from conducting military operations really quickly with marginal losses. But winning is something that needs to be defined. If occupation of China is what it is, the war would go on for 50 years and there would still be regions not under US control.
>>30561101
China gets Land of India.
Muh One China!
India is China!
>>30561085
>What did they take?
All of the port cities and industry worth noting.
>>30560986
Saw few rekt videos where that part they're fearing off, falls and "eats" anyone who falls in
I think it's related
>>30560900
It isn't 1937. The US isn't Japan.
Do you think it would be hard for the US to fund, arm, and keep supplied separatists in Xinjiang and Tibet?
Do you think it would be easy for the PLA and PSB to maintain control of these regions if they were also fighting a war in the east and probably northeast?
Ask yourself these questions.
>>30561126
Basically..
>"Why does US interfere..."
>"Oh no a war, US do something!"
>>30561208
China: We was stolen nothing!
>>30561085
>what did they take?
they occupied and sacked every major city in China
They forced the Chinese government into exile in Chongqing, a mountain city, the equivalent of invading the US from the East coast (if there is no west coast) and occupying everything up until colorado, and bombing the government in exile in Denver every single day.
They destroyed their professional army and turned the war into a brushfire war of occupying troops vs insurgents armed and fed by the generosity of foreign powers.
They forced the Chinese to blow the dykes of the Yangzi river and kill hundreds of thousands and displace tens of millions of their own citizens, just to slow down a japanese advance.
The destroyed or stole anything resembling infrastructure or industry in the entire country, and set up two willing puppet governments in the industrial heartlands in the Northeast ("Manchukuo") and east coast, from which they extracted resources and gained control of markets.
Given another 30-50 years, occupied China would have become what Korea was to Japan in the 30s and 40s -- a distinct but submissive and cooperative province of a large and successful empire. The only thing that stopped this process was Japan's defeat in the wider war by the United States.
>>30557240
Here's a (You), hopefully it brings you enough cents for a bowl of rice.
Whatever...
Why is China aggressive now?
Does Xi actualy handle his own private military(Military belongs to CPC)?
Chinese army is not exisance
>>30561425
I mean this is like not even trying.
It's like reading the wiki article (which is surprisingly good) and twisted some key points it in the dumbest possible way.
>>30561425
Sino-Russian Secret Treaty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li%E2%80%93Lobanov_Treaty
Manchuko is Russian territory historicaly and legaly
>>30561438
>>30557240
>Why are people so confident that the US can win against China?
Because we are unbeatable in a straight out war. It's the stupid occupations that keep fucking us up. We never learn. One vietnam was enough but NOPE, let's try and change afghan and iraq for the better. Not like they hate us and wish us dead or anything.
>>30559227
>could not underestimate the might of Chinese army
I laughed for a solid two minutes. They can't even make their buildings stand straight. China is a first world nation with their size and economy. Third world rate in nearly every other way. China is just good at stealing tech and selling it to others.
>>30560986
Multiple incidents of people falling into those grates and ending up as bugers. 3 recorded and on the web if you know how to look, countless more unknown since china keep all their wrong doings hidden with extreme prejudice.
Like that 3mile radius explosion that kill hundreds, yet their government claimed less than 50 died. Can't believe they said that bullshit with street blocks of people dead on the street turned to charcoal statues.
China begs money,food and oil like best korea and they proud of their poverty and how chinese are nice people until quite recently
Chinese believes what China becomes No2 at GDP ranking in the world by own ability and
After end of cold war, China starts military aggression harshly with pumping money into military fields as only nation in Asia and Chinese think this is clever tactics
China suddenly begins cold war as only nation in Asia to expand their territory depends on their economical scales and money with claiming other Nuclear equipped nations America,Russia and India.
>>30558436
>implying US economy would even be dented
Just move manufacturing to Mexico, India and other places. US doesn't need China, China needs the US.
>>30558898
America actually does it better, because they have access to information that isn't censored and a lot of chinks ran from China during culture revolution.
Shen Yun or something is a good example.
>>30558940
>0.50 cents have been deposited to your account.
>>30557775
>Lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep.
Murica, pls.
>>30561592
>They can't even make their buildings stand straight.
lol they could make their buildings stand straigth if they wanted to but somone along the line said "hey if we cut corners everywhere i could keep a bunch of this money!"
several government officals in china killed them selves after those buildings collapsed
mabey the guilt was a bit to much
>>30560894
This is bullshit.
Most of the 'modernization' is refitting old equipment to keep working. Most of the really good shit Is issued to very few soldiers.
And every year University and college kids have to serve for a year.
There's a documentary about 2 brit soldiers going to China in a joint training exercise and they found unsurprisingly the Chinese had no idea what they're doing.
>>30561996
>>30557775
At least get the quote right.
>>30561639
Are we talking about the chemical explosion? There was a TON of dangerous chemicals in that explosion too. Hydrogen cyanide was one according to external media.
What about Nukes? China is building thousands of nukes and the US is reducing the number and stopped building them.
>>30562319
>China is building thousands of nukes
China doesn't even have 300 nukes let alone thousands. And rebuilding a massive nuclear program would be very obvious and could actually deteriorate neighboring relationship and spur another nuclear arms race.
>>30562319
>China is building thousands of nukes
Incorrect.
>and the US is reducing the number and stopped building them.
The US has expanded new pit production just recently.
>>30559243
Doesnt matter when they will be piloted by monkeys
>>30557240
>Why are people so confident that the US can win against China?
98% of China's trade goes over water and the PLAN's chances versus the USN and allied forces are best summed up as "ayy lmao." We could starve them out like we did to the Japs but with significantly better forward positioning, including Manila, Busan, Okinawa, and Yokosuka.
>>30560986
Chinese escalators are poorly made and suck people into them all the time so you have to check
China has areas of good tech and shows them off constantly, behind a massive base of old 1950s-era Soviet tech.
I also question the leadership/training, they were miserable during the commie era and never have had enough foreign advisers to make themselves competent.
>>30558940
>muh meme missiles that have never been test fired at a ship will totally work against a CSG
>>30559162
But they literally did. Twice since 1970.
>>30561060
A million dead Japanese in China doesn't sound like what they wanted.
>>30561967
Thanks senpai, now I can afford rent
>>30561425
>they occupied and sacked every major city in China
No
>>30561363
Yes. Easily considering most of Xinjiang is Han Chinese.
>>30557373
All of a sudden, right as we beat the commie north over the border of china, millions of angry chinese started running toward us, shooting shitty bolt action rifles and T-34-85 tanks
>>30558940
>China's A2/AD capabilities will absolutely crush the US in littoral and coastal combat
China's anti submarine warfare is way behind the US, Russia, and a small number of other counties.
https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/china-closing-gap-anti-submarine-warfare
"Beijing is devoting considerable resources to enhance the navy's anti-submarine warfare capabilities and correct one of its greatest military weaknesses. China's navy will improve, but it is still many years of effort and investment away from achieving the level of capability Beijing requires."
>any serious conflict would end in stalemate, with the US having taken serious losses.
I take it you do not know what the USN game plan would likely be? It uses Philippines as safe harbor. The surface navy pushes at the far edges of the A2/AD area. The subs try for a small number of kills. The USAF does SEAD/DEAD on the most far out of the islands forts. Next pressure is put into the food supplies of china.
The finale step is asking Vietnam and Taiwan to look a bit threatening. Not to go to per war, just to look ready for it. The amount of forces need to muster in reaction to that is not small. The ground army will have its strategic reserves a bit thin and PLAAF more so. Food prices will be rather high, China will be taking small but visible asset loss in the SCS.
China now need to end this war sooner rather then later. It needs to either negotiate peace or have its navy attack the USN outside of the A2/AD area. If they go with the second option that is a big risk. If china looks to be weak then Tibetains and Uyghur will revolt. It does not matter if they can win, only that puts more pressure on the gound forces and the PLAAF.
>>30558292
>War with the intention of completely collapsing enemy government and any military ability to fight back.
Fight back in what theater? For what objective? Is the US trying to liberate Tibet? Is China trying to annex Hawaii? What?
At the extreme end of the spectrum, China doesn't have the arsenal for MAD. Which means that the US could nuke the Chinese seat of government, its military installations, and its industrial base, and could survive the limited nuclear retaliation from China. If it came right down to it, the US could win any war with China.
>>30562319
>implying we give a fuck about uranium filled cannonballs
>>30559227
The size of the Chinese army is worthless without the sealift capacity to transport it to the theater, and without the naval strength to protect it in transit.
You're talking shit about taking Japan; China can't even take Taiwan.
>>30557240
5 yuan have been deposited in your account.
>>30557331
>In fact China's strong defence was the reason Japan decided to attack the USA and moving the focus on the Navy in SEA.
wot
>>30557240
>le 'China stronk' meme
>>30562580
I would say it was probably better then(then being the 1950's to 1980's). Currently the PLA has had a lot of corruption issues but Xi Jinping is sorting that out.
How war with China would go:
USA: Fuck China!!!!!
China: You default on debt now. We repo missiles.
USA: FUCK!!!!
>>30565166
The sad thing is some people actually think this is how government debt works.
>>30565166
If I owe you a thousand dollars, I have a problem. If I owe you a trillion dollars, you have a problem. The US telling China to pound sand on debt would put a $2T hole in China's balance sheet, thus causing an immediate depression in chingchongistan.
>>30557240
>aren't they
Hello CIDF
>>30561539
some orwellian shit right there
>>30557240
what answers are you expecting, this board is a gigantic US armed forces circlejerk
>>30565585
If there were a better armed forces, we'd be jerking that instead. What's *your* answer, anon?
>>30557775
Hey friend, that image is real nice. I'm going to save it, if it's OK with you
>>30565166
more like
China: You defaut on debt now.
USA: Meh. Who the fuck cares? We don't. Our dollars are still used as a trading currency.
China: we'll see about that.
>Yuan value still getting watered down.
>Chinese DFI money dries up like in Thailand 1997
>Becomes the modern day equivalent to post WWI German mark
>US gets a slight downgrade in credit rating, but nobody really gives a shit.
how the fuck are they supposed to land troops on our borders in the first place, or vice versa? it took goddamn fucking forever to move troops across the pacific in WW2, how much better is our ability to do so nowadays?
>>30557240
Why are China so against the confident that can US win? The WW2 they learned aren't anything US in never.
>>30565872
>how much better is our ability to do so nowadays?
Substantially.
>Berlin airlift
>Operation Nickel Grass
>recent operations in Iraq and Afghanistan
>modern technology
>Japan and South Korea are American allies now
Cold War military strategy relied heavily on rapid movement in logistics. Part of the US's strength is its ability to move quickly and its great flexibility.
>>30561363
Pretty easily since Han are 90%+ of the population, and if the conflict comes from an easily identifiable outside source (the US in your scenario), the Han and likely Hui will throw everything behind the government.
If the other minorities make trouble, the government will not hesitate to slam down the fist on the Uighurs and Tibetans.
Insurgencies work if the insurgents have popular support, and there simply isn't enough non-han to cause that much trouble for the government.
>>30564203
That part actually has some correct information to it.
Japan planned a war to last 3 months, instead they spent 3 months in Shanghai alone.
When the war dragged on, Japan realize that they would burn through their pre-war stockpiles way too quickly, and with continued insurgency in China, they weren't seeing the resource extraction that they planned.
Lastly, the Japanese took out their frustration on Nanjing, and got it all reported by Western Media. That gave Roosevelt exactly what he needed to pass the embargo, and from then on, Japan was on the clock, since 90% of their oil and most of their scrap metal disappeared. Without oil, Japan would lose their mechanized units and a lot of their advantage over the Chinese.
Faced with that, Japan decided to attack the western colonies in the South Pacific, and we all know what happened from there.
>>30565797
>can't pay trillion worth of debt
>"slight downgrade in credit rating"
>>30566560
Nothing compared to how china will look with a multi trillion dollar hole in the wallet.
>>30557255
are you fucking retarded?
>>30557557
leave the adult conversations to adults, kiddo. Don't make me take it out on your mom again.
>>30557388
this an american imageboard. hosted on an american CDN by an american company. if you dont like americans responding to your posts kindly fuck off to ribbit.
>>30562388
>China doesn't even have 300 nukes
you know that CIA estimate is like 20 years old, right?
>>30565166
That is not how debt works. China buys US bonds. The moment China sells the bonds to anyone else, it loses any power over USA. Bonds are also paid according to schedule so bondholders can't just demand USA to pay all of its debt at once. The USA has never been late in paying its bond principal and dividends.
>>30566692
you have a fundamentally flawed understanding of the debt market.
Please shut your fucking whore mouth and never speak of this topic again.
>>30557388
Cry
>>30566802
>The USA has never been late in paying its bond principal and dividends.
just you wait, amigo. One of these days, some retard tea party fuckface is actually going to block the debt ceiling increase, which triggers a fucking tsunami on the secondary market, and which will destroy the next few issues, and then...GG.
>>30566801
>you know that CIA estimate is like 20 years old
The latest estimate by Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is from 2015. You're free to show a source that shows China massively building nukes without anyone noticing.
>>30566832
>just you wait, amigo. One of these days, some retard tea party fuckface is actually going to block the debt ceiling increase, which triggers a fucking tsunami on the secondary market, and which will destroy the next few issues, and then...GG.
Maybe, but you're right about one thing. The only one that can destroy USA is USA itself. China can't do shit.
>>30557775
this image made me fucking snort audibly
>>30558940
>China's A2/AD capabilities will absolutely crush the US in littoral and coastal combat
Topkek. When China can find one measly Ohio SSGN loaded with over 154 Tomahawk missiles, lemme know chinkaboo.
BTW someone needs to shoop a Virgina-class sub into this picture.
>>30562034
name on that doc? im highly interested.
>>30562319
>thousands of nukes
>thousands
ahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha
oh
oh wow
>>30562398
>The US has expanded new pit production just recently.
Considering how Putin's beating the tacnuke drum it's no small wonder.
>>30565166
underage. plz go.
>>30557247
Implying religion of peace does not exist.
Implying violence caused by addiction to drugs and hardcore pornography and not gang pressures or ethnic appreciation im looking at you black history month
>>30566812
Oh, please explain it to us.
>YOU PAY DEBT NOW!
>Lol, come and take it, faggots
Like... how does this work, again?
>>30567019
it would make the US a lot less attractive to loan to and it would fuck china out of trillions. they dont want this outcome ether, we are economically symbiotic.
>>30567049
samefag alert
analogy incoming:
you loan your friend your car, he totals the shit out of it, pretending that insurance and suing do not exist for a moment here, the outcome is that you will never loan your friend your car again and his reputation is damaged, but ultimately its your car that got totaled.
>>30567049
>it would make the US a lot less attractive to loan to and it would fuck china out of trillions. they dont want this outcome ether, we are economically symbiotic.
Well, then, thank you for the explanation. Now let's see how well our local expert on the debt market understands debt.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704547804576260980673672952
>The media myth is that China and other foreign countries own most of our $13.5 trillion in outstanding debt. Mr. Grundlach points out that China owns less than 10% of that amount. More than half is owned domestically: 42.1% by U.S. individuals and institutions, 17.7% in the Social Security trust fund, 6% in the military retirement fund and so on.
Literally ten seconds on google.
TEN. SECONDS.
God I wish I could shit IN you.
>>30565166
Not how treasury bonds work you dumb nigger.
>>30557417
If that AI is connected to other AIs that interpret input from sensors, that performance in the simulator will transfer to the real world. The key to the AIs success is its ability to predict with near 100 percent accuracy what an adversary is about to do or is doing, and to react within tiny fractions of a second, and push the aircraft to its limits to defeat the enemy. Human AI teamed UCAVs/unmanned fighters have the potential to be fantastically deadly. While ALPHA doesn't apparently have a good understanding of the larger picture of the battlefield, there is no doubt that ALPHA has mastered A2A tactics and dogfighting. A human can compensate for the AIs cognitive weaknesses.
Anyone who suggests that ALPHAs performance should be taken with a grain of salt because the tests were done inside a simulator fails to understand just exactly what ALPHA was demonstrating when it beat a veteran Air Force Colonel time and time again, even with handicaps to the performance of its aircraft. The AI is better at dogfighting than a human by a massive margin, period.
>>30567091
I ( >>30567076, >>30567049 ) am not >>30566812
>>30567111
>The AI is better at dogfighting than a human by a massive margin, period.
Until they put it in a flying aircraft and trust it to fight, it's just more SELF-DRIVING CARS EVERYWHERE bullshit.
>>30558456
Quality post friend.
>>30567119
My apologies. If the original poster would please speak up, I will direct my virulent hatred at him.
WILL THE REAL SHIT POSTER PLEASE STAND UP
PLEASE STAND UP
PLEASE STAND UP
>>30567121
>SELF-DRIVING CARS EVERYWHERE bullshit.
Self driving cars are slow to adoption because there's a crapload of obstacles on the ground. Aircraft AIs have it FAR easier in the air. There's going to be an AI fighter arms race. I'm betting on it within the next decade or two.
>>30561539
Hurr China peaceful country, American imperialists please go
>>30567131
i have a sneaking suspicion that the real shit poster doesn't actually know as much as he believes.
>>30567144
>because there's a crapload of obstacles on the ground.
That's just one factor. One. AI adaptability is a far more complex topic. All that's required to trip it up is one - just one - novel or unexpected capability in an enemy. When you get right down to it, AI are just complex sorting algorithms. People can blather on about "neural networks" for as long as they want, but until we make a truly sapient AI, I very much doubt they'll achieve everything people think they will.
>>30567121
ALPHA knows how to dogfight, it just needs the right sensors and software in order to accurately build a picture of what's going on. I never said that would be easy, but it can and will be done.
>>30567049
>it would make the US a lot less attractive to loan to
Why? Are any of the non-China lenders expecting to get into a shooting war with the US?
In a war between America and China, I know where I'd invest my money.
>>30567187
Like I said. Manned unmanned teaming, whether it's 5th and 6th fighters equipped with AI or unmanned manned fighter teaming, AI will be a force multiplier, if you'll allow me to use that awful phrase. Eventually, AI will be adaptable or have comprehensive enough memory and knowledge for aircraft to be practically autonomous in a hostile environment. Situations in which AI new weapons or technology are deployed that would be un recognizable for AI would likely be just ad deadly to real fighter pilots. Autonomous systems are just getting more and more reactive and flexible as the years go by.
>>30561539
China has ~7,000 MBT's, of which about ~2,000 are actually modern. With only ~400 being truly modern Type 99's
Type 96's would get absolutely wrecked against a modern MBT, they've been lost against monkey model export T-72's in wars in Africa.
>>30567175
The greatest safeguard to peace is having the military to beat the shit out of anyone who goes to war with you.
The US and China both follow this principle.
Putting faith in "disarmed peace" works about as well as posting a "no guns allowed" sign Mogadishu.
>>30567219
this is a good point, but a tarnish on the record is a tarnish on the record all the same.
>>30567299
>Autonomous systems are just getting more and more reactive and flexible as the years go by.
No argument there. I'm just not terribly optimistic on the time frame, I guess.
>>30567394
There's a shooting war between China and the United States. It could very well involve nukes before it's over. The balance of power in southeast Asia will be changed when it is done. Tarnished records are not really a concern at that point.
I find it funny that all of the extremely pro-China posts tend to have many grammatical errors in them. Hmmm.... I wonder why
>>30562009
Not the guilt, more the idea that the anti-corruption people will get them.
>>30567121
But self-driving cars have been massively successful in proving their ability to drive
>>30567500
okay you win the pedant war.
>>30557365
Kekkles
>>30557285
Mobius 1 plz go.
>>30557417
>salt
...
...
>salt weapon
We can't have regular people owning planes with more the one engine.
>>30563179
China is focused on using Subs against carriers less about killing American subs. If anyone is to be worried it's US Carriers.
>>30557281
>>30557255
What the fuck
>>30567111
Congratulations on entirely missing the issue
>>30567391
China didn't have a decent military in the past yet the only wars they were involved in happened to be the ones they started.
>>30562319
Be China
Something Not good happens
China says others Shut up!
be Chine keked by others
then China changes behaviour and says
WE have nukes! We stronk! No one can beat Stronk China
>>30560986
a world without pesky safety regulations
>>30569563
This is probably true to Russia, but not China. Chinese simply don't have as much nukes as US or Russia.
>>30560504
>mfw there's a chance of Battlefield 1 Boxer Rebellion DLC
Bravado, deep down fatmasters are shitting themselves in fear of the almightly invincible ching master race sweeping across the ocean and showing how hollow american power really is. When the chings land their million men army, all the jamals in america will rise up as fith columns and attack from america behind. The they wll round up all the white bois into rape camps and feminized them until they are ready to be sent to asia to replaced the shortage of asian women.
america is gonna be fucked literally.
>>30557240
>The US never learned anything in WW2 aren't they.
Ya blew it, chinaman
>>30563033
>>30569261
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria
>>30557331
>The rest of China was never occupied.
Sorry for the confusion, i meant the rest of China that was occupied by the Japanese, not China as a whole.
>>30569590
So, a libertarian's wet dream?
>>30567049
>it would make the US a lot less attractive to loan to
The US has a 17 trillion dollar GDP, is the second largest exporter of goods, and has $270 trillion in assets. Moody's economic outlook is stable. Yes it has a lot of debt, but it also lends out to others as well. It would hurt, but not really destroy the US economy. Remember that the US's credit rating was already downgraded before, and it will probably get downgraded again in the near future.
China would get a lot worse in this scenario. The collapse in the gold market has hurt their attempts to make the Yuan a global currency as well.
As far as foreign-owned debt, Paul Krugman writes: "t's true that foreigners now hold large claims on the United States, including a fair amount of government debt. But every dollar's worth of foreign claims on America is matched by 89 cents' worth of U.S. claims on foreigners. And because foreigners tend to put their U.S. investments into safe, low-yield assets, America actually earns more from its assets abroad than it pays to foreign investors. If your image is of a nation that's already deep in hock to the Chinese, you've been misinformed. Nor are we heading rapidly in that direction"
>>30567391
>The greatest safeguard to peace is having the military to beat the shit out of anyone who goes to war with you.
(In Reagan's voice)
"We know that peace is the condition under which mankind was meant to flourish. Yet peace does not exist of its own will. It depends on us, on our courage to build it and guard it and pass it on to future generations. George Washington's words may seem hard and cold today, but history has proven him right again and again. 'To be prepared for war,' he said, 'is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.' Well, to those who think strength provokes conflict, Will Rogers had his own answer. He said of the world heavyweight champion of his day: 'I've never seen anyone insult Jack Dempsey.'"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaSXTk4KLuI
God damn miss that man. More now than ever.
>>30562034
>I know because I watched a documentary!
ok
Modernization is occurring rapidly. Conscription is no longer in widespread use. The vast majority of students eligible for conscription are either never called up or just opt out.
>>30571832
>I know because the Party will punish me if I disagree with anything!
>>30569615
But the Boxer rebellion happened over a decade earlier. I'll be damned if I have to kill Chinamen with a fucking Krag.
>>30561539
>>30567175
>Hurr China peaceful country
>>30566969
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uZ-Aqs42nQ
>>30572815
you're seriously judging PLA competence using a video shot in a fucking 2nd rate cadet school? Are you fucking retarded?
of course you are.
>>30572901
Are you seriously saying the PLA is filled with kung fu SEAL masters? 2nd rate is the best you can expect from a typical PLA squad.
>>30572901
>pla cadet officer can't read a map
>something boy scouts are taught to do in thier first week, Chinese cadets in a military University can't do
>"B-but they just cadet! "
You need to work on your damage control.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/sinosphere/2015/02/23/u-s-expert-finds-faults-in-chinese-military-command/?referer=
>>30573132
we're talking about infantrymen competence, not fucking C4I here. And I'm pretty fucking sure I know more about the MR and CMC command structures than you, since I'm fucking Chinese and my family has a long and extinguished history of service in the PLA, going all the way back to the 2nd Sino Jap war.
>>30572993
No, I'm saying that video was about college age kids who went into the military, most likely for financial reasons. Tertiary education in China is fiercely competitive. Sand fucking Hurst is in a whole different league. Honestly the closest to something like Sandhurst in the PRC would be NDU, and that would be stretching it. Chinese top level military education is much more focused on the theoretical and political areas.
>>30561000
I kek'd at the thought of people killing themselves for their soldiers to keep fighting only for them to get btfo by bombing.
>>30573331
PLA did nothing during WW2 and a China man proud of what they did nothing or maybe full of his story was fiction in his mind
literaly Chinese always be Chinese
>>30573521
>PLA did nothing during WW2
listen, I know the American public education system is bad, but you should consider enrolling yourself into fucking special ed because you're retarded as fuck.
An even better option is to find a fairly tall parking structure and jump off the top of it. Make sure nobody and no vehicles are below you, however. Kthnxbye.
>>30573438
you got fucking problems. Please consider suicide. Like now.
By the way, that pic is fake. You might want to stop being so fucking stupid.
>>30565211
>Pound sand
How was Vietnam y'old sak'o shit?
>>30565211
another man who never once looked at bond arbitrage.
Oh wait, that's basically ALL of you.
Look up what the secondary market is, dumb shit. And try to stop making minimal wage.
>>30573331
>pla
>ww2
HAHAHA.
YOU MEAN THE WAR THAT THE NATIONALISTS FOUGHT?
and then mao used the weakened state of the Nationalists to restart the civil war and win.
The CCP did nothing. NOT A SINGLE THING.
And I know not because I'm Chinese, but because I have access to information because my government doesn't destroy seditious material.
>Chinese top level Is focused on theoretical and political
Lel im glad you admit the chinks spend more time brainwashing soldiers instead of teaching them to be soldiers.
Also you can't argue the experience point, the last time pla was deployed in mass was 1989. In China. Against students.
>>30574247
I see that your stupidity is incorrigible.
My parting words to you is for you to enjoy your life of poverty, because it's clear that you're too fucking stupid to amount to anything in life.
Ciao.
>>30574420
>enjoy your life of poverty
>coming from a Chinese
Thanks bud, I'll enjoy my 25/h plus my RIGHTS.
Be careful of that safety net around your factory, it likes to cut.
>>30574028
>>30574420
China(and you) wants to fight against foreign countries to change difference between his(China's) ideal past and that he nurses his delusions reality
and China wants the results by the wars to support justification of its own and the legitimacy of his political party and its regime(CPC)
peeps just talk about how many bodies china has
they dont have to logistics to support a army that big
also they dont have the training nor experience the US military does
we'd win
>>30563071
>480,000 dead Japanese vs 20,000,000 dead Chinese
>>30573438
>carrier launched B-52
Is there anything EMALS can't do?
>>30569332
Care to enlighten everyone as to why this can't or probably won't happen?
>>30557240
>The US never learned anything in WW2 aren't they.
>East Asian power thinks it can knock out the American navy in one decisive blow and that Americans will just give up afterwards because they're all fat and weak anyway
I think it's you who didn't learn anything from WW2, Zhang.
>>30559191
>the US currently has zero ability to launch amphibious operations
Dude... what? Can't tell if this is bait or not, but either way you just went full retard.
>>30576823
The 'muh contested amphibious landings' fags are almost as bad as, and indeed often overlap with BBfags. Their threads have a pretty high chance of turning into muhreen vs army shitfests too.
>>30557285
<<Mobius One, you have to shoot down that missile! You're the only one who can.>>
>>30560504
>The name was further emphasized by the Chinese rebels who performed rituals and exercises in martial arts 'Magical Kung-Fu' that they believed would give them the ability to withstand bullets.
>http://www.american-historama.org/1881-1913-maturation-era/boxer-rebellion.htm
I've always loved this bit.
>>30557387
That's on the low end from what I've heard. In a lot of excercises the 22's and 35's are racking up dozens of kills for no losses.
>>30557388
Get off our property euro-trash
>>30557240
>The US never learned anything in WW2 aren't they.
Hello China
>>30557240
WW2? You mean that time China got steamrolled by a country less than 1/8th its size and used fucking swordsmen?
>>30578174
Well to be fair, they used riflemen with swords...
