Do you feel that it is in violation of your rights to ask that your firearms and ammunition are collectively stored and handled in a safe manner?
Yeah. Firearms are to be used for defense and sporting purposes. You cant use a firearm for defense if its stored somewhere else.
>>30550444
To ask? Not at all.
To force via retarded, convoluted and incredibly intrusive laws? Yes.
>>30550468
What if the rules are as lax as simply placing it in a box with a child-proof latch when unattended or further than arms' reach (to account for keeping it ready while sleeping, on the understanding that you'd wake up if your punk kid or one of his culturally enriched friends came to swipe it)
>>30550444
not when i get to determine what that storage and manner is for myself individually.
also because of that right, i accept the individual responsibility for any negligence or poor decision making that would entail - like storing a firearm in easy access of an untrained child, adult, or a prohibited person. likewise i'm the only one to blame if my stolen firearm is used in a crime without my knowledge - it directly says that i was unable to keep control over them. while i can't be liable for the crime itself, it's reasonable to me that negligent storage should be a crime when that storage fails to protect a regulated item.
some forms of gun control i support. most forms, especially useless forms, i'm wholly against.
>>30550548
>not when i get to determine what that storage and manner is for myself individually.
So basically your answer is "yes I feel it's a violation of my rights to be asked to store my firearms and ammunition safely"
>>30550471
/fucking thread.
Nothing should be mandatory, as it could and more likely than not would quickly lead to more strict and barbaric laws.
>>30550566
no, it's both unfair and unjust to put the responsibility for criminal behavior on someone who isn't committing the criminal act.
unless you plan on completely indemnifying gun owners that have their stolen guns used in crimes and/or providing the means for a person to comply (providing a storage location, providing training at little/no cost) and assuming responsibility if/when that fails, then you cannot rightly condemn a man for complying with the demands for safe storage who gets his firearms stolen anyway or is injured through no fault of his own
where do you draw the line of responsibility? at the individual or the state?
You can ask all you want, and if you're polite and treat me not as a criminal but as a law abiding citizen, then maybe I will.
If you try to force me to using illegal legislation and unwarranted searches, then I'm afraid I will be forced to lose all of my guns and ammunition in a tragic boating accident.
If I want to store my ammunition in my oven, that's my fucking right
>>30550533
SHALL
>>30550533
what if the rule was fuck off, i'll do whatever i want with my property.
despite what you may honestly believe, the sole purpose of any of your "sensible" rules is to encumber gun owners to the point that no one wants to own guns.
You start down that road and you end up with fucked storage and transportation laws like Canada has.
Go ahead and ask.
>>30550444
>Do you feel that it is in violation of your rights to ask that your firearms and ammunition are collectively stored and handled in a safe manner?
You are free to ASK. You are not free to REQUIRE.
The problem with most militant statists is that they don't realize they are militant. What you are saying by "there should be a law requiring people to keep their guns and ammo in a safe" is the following:
>if you don't keep your gun in a safe, then armored men with guns will come into your house, point guns at you, kidnap you, and lock you up in a small jail cell where other men will sodomize you - and if you resist, the they will kill you
You are also probably saying, according to the version of safe keeping law you ascribe to:
>you must allow men with guns into your house at unannounced times when it may or may not be convenient for you, so they can proactively search the privacy of your home for evidence of broken laws, and if you don't, then they will point their guns at you, kidnap you, and lock you up in a small jail cell where other men will sodomize you - and if you resist, the they will kill you
Is there anything worse on Earth than a statist?
>>30550679
>what if the rule was fuck off, i'll do whatever i want with my property.
But there's safety regulations for lots of things in your life already; you have to have working smoke alarms, you can't burn leaves at certain times of year, etc. Why's it so bad to ask you to keep your gun out of reach of children and to not store ammunition in your BBQ pit?
>>30550651
Fuck off Cyrus, you're fucked in the head. You don't even have your grade 10
>>30550444
>Do you feel that it is in violation of your rights to ask that your firearms and ammunition are collectively stored and handled in a safe manner?
Not at all.
I consider uncocked with a full magazine next to my nightstand the safest manner of storage.
>>30550776
>you have to have working smoke alarms
uh no i don't.
>you can't burn leaves at certain times of year
uh no.
what kind of shithole do you live in?
>>30550776
There's no children in my house.
>>30550795
>uncocked
S H A L L
>>30550662
NOT
>>30550798
ok cool all i ask is that you do not store your ammunition somewhere where it will easily catch fire
does this violate your 2a or is this statist
>>30550753
Uhhh.
Let me think abou....
Nope
Scum of the earth
>>30550776
>You have to have working smoke alarms
I've never heard of anyone being convicted because they didn't have working smoke alarms in the house they lived in. This only applies for when you are buying and selling a home.
>you can't burn leaves at certain times of year
Burning leaves isn't a natural right. It *IS* stupid to pass laws about what you can or can't burn on your own property, but honestly, who cares? You don't need to burn leaves to preserve your own life, unlike using guns in some circumstances. There's a reason that the Bill of Rights has an Amendment about the right to bear arms, and not about the right to burn leaves.
>>30550821
It's a house the entire thing easily catches fire.
>>30550798
ok cool all i ask is that you do not store your ammunition somewhere where it will easily catch fire
does this violate your 2a or is this statist
>>30550832
>Burning leaves isn't a natural right.
How is it not more a natural right to dispose of trash in your chosen manner than to operate artificial store-bought weapons that required thousands of years of chemistry and metallurgy knowledge to evolve to their current form?
>>30550846
>"It's a house the entire thing easily catches fire."
>he doesn't have concrete walls and/or fireproofing
>he literally lives in feudal japan in a house made of balsa wood and rice paper
>>30550776
Next time someone's life depends on whether or not they can set a pile of leaves on fire quick enough, let me know.
>>30550847
>How is it not more a natural right to dispose of trash in [some arbitrary manner] than to [defend your LIFE with whatever tools are available]
Because you are a dumb cunt.
>>30550821
>ok cool all i ask is that you do not store your ammunition somewhere where it will easily catch fire
why? what do you think is going to happen if it does catch on fire?
>>30550847
>How is it not more a natural right to dispose of trash in your chosen manner than to operate artificial store-bought weapons that required thousands of years of chemistry and metallurgy knowledge to evolve to their current form?
at this point, all you're arguing is that people should be able to burn leaves. welcome to freedom.
>>30550860
Firearms don't save lives; armor and first-aid knowledge do.
>>30550640
I like how OP skipped over the question of who is ultimately responsible for it, the gov or the people.
Because if the government is responsible for that, by telling a person how to do all that shit, then the gov better supply the required tools to comply as well as unrestrict the firearms themselves (since they are all stored safely in a way that they won't be used in crimes).
>>30550847
>ok cool all i ask is that you do not store your ammunition somewhere where it will easily catch fire
Belief in "gun control" depends on ignorance. Ammunition in a house fire does not "shoot bullets everywhere," like idiots think. What happens is the casings fly off the bullets, but they only have enough velocity to barely dent drywall. Could it put an eye out if you're standing right next to it without safety glasses on? Sure. Could it fly out of a burning house and kill innocent bystanders? No. It's not even considered a serious danger to firemen.
>>30550869
>people should be able to burn leaves
I thought it was a common manner of disposal 2bh and only banned during excessively dry spells where there's an increased risk of forest fire/firestorm
>why? what do you think is going to happen if it does catch on fire?
also catch on fire and be an explosive material
you should probably have a clothes dryer equipped with a replaceable/cleanable lint trap
fire safety is real shit man
>>30550872
Yeah, okay buddy.
I'm not required by law to child proof the wall sockets that any toddler with a bit of metal can shock themselves on.
I'm not required by law to child proof a door to the basement that a child can open then fall down the stairs.
I'm not required by law to child proof the top of the stairs so a child doesn't stumble down them.
I'm not required by law to surround my pool with a child proof gate so a child doesn't drown in the pool.
Why should I be required by law to child proof my gun so a child doesn't shoot it?
>>30550872
Here are three people whose lives were saved with a firearm.
>>30550471
Being Canadian, this.
>>30550903
Honestly, people who burn their leaves are the worst kind of trailer trash. Stop skunking up the neighborhood with the smell of wet smoke. You can bag leaves too, you know.
>>30550930
Based fat bro. Who needs pants to remove dindu?
>>30550903
>also catch on fire and be an explosive material
No, gunpowder is not an explosive material.
To put it succinctly, yes and fuck you.
If someone is not motivated by the fact their kids can die from not storing firearms properly, nothing will.
It is just going to make everyone else lives hell because some retard can't be bothered to keep their kids from offing themselves.
>>30550899
It's extra (in the sense of excess) flammable material, probably in an enclosed space.
>>30550930
what if none of those people had guns
Sure you can ask, and I can ask you to fuck off with your communist shitbird nonsense. How I secure my shit is my business and mine alone.
>>30550969
>gunpowder is not an explosive material
i know you're in a rush to destroy shitlibs but come on man
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-05/documents/9530608.pdf
the MSDS sheets for black powder
>>30550976
>what if none of those people had guns
And thus OP's true objective is revealed.
>>30550976
If that's the only criteria than I guess we should force people to store books in safes too.
>>30550976
Three younger men (who would still be armed with knives or blunt instruments) vs a woman, an old man and a fat guy.
>>30550985
fucking disgusting
you should be arrested for not knowing how to paint
>>30550976
>what if none of those people had guns
so three strong young men (probably with edged weapons) rape kill a woman, an old man, and a fat man.
you're right, that would be preferable.
>>30551008
THERE IT IS!
>>30550976
>It's extra (in the sense of excess) flammable material, probably in an enclosed space.
So? Your house is made of wood boards, which Europeans would say is excessive.
>what if none of those people had guns
Then the stronger people will always win. Why should weak people - women, the elderly, smaller men - always be bullied by stronger people, regardless of moral fortitude of the people? Thank GOD that the weaker people had guns.
>>30551022
>>30551033
The weak should fear the strong.
>>30550998
You can make explosives out of it, but that doesn't make it an explosive.
>>30551031
You can thank the US Navy for that mate.
>>30551071
>(2.08 MB, 3264x2448)
thats it. im calling the fucking cops
>>30550444
Well I don't plan to have kids so I'm not really too concerned with gun storage in terms of safety
But I am concerned with gun storage in terms of someone breaking into my house and stealing my guns.
>>30551058
So far as I can tell this is what people who think it's not okay for people to be armed actually believe.
>>30551097
ISSUED
>>30551111
Rules of nature, my man.
>>30551111
It's okay to be armed, just keep your guns out of reach of children, keep your firearms maintained, store dangerous materials safely, etc.
>>30550969
>No, gunpowder is not an explosive material.
...What?
>>30551156
It's a propellant. When ignited, it burns very fast. Explosive materials actually explode. There's a reason you have to load gunpowder into a cartridge case and crimp a bullet to the end to make a "bomb," but you can just use raw C4 to detonate buildings.
>>30551144
>just keep your guns out of reach of children, keep your firearms maintained, store dangerous materials safely, etc.
No.
>>30551101
You can blame that on Samsung.
>>30551135
2 edgy 5 me
>>30550444
Yes. If you need to quickly access your rifle or pistol to defend yourself you wont be able to defend yourself and others properly.
>>30550872
kill yourself
>>30550444
Glad you like my parenting and my uzi faggot.
>>30550859
>the entire house is 100% concrete
>fireproofing means 100% no fire
What the fuck anon you can't actually be this thick.
>>30550444
Asking something doesn't mean I have to listen
>>30551461
>not living in a reinforced concrete bunker with concrete furniture
Not very safe of you, Anon.
>>30550872
The best defense is a good offence m8
>>30550935
>All these bullshit, basically unenforceable storage laws that exist for no real reason other than to have something to use against you in court if you shoot a home invader
Fucking liberals
>>30551156
Put smokeless powder down in a pile and light it, record results.
Put c4 down in a pile and light it, record results.
Come back with your findings and we can talk from there.
>>30550444
do you think the right of life and liberty is more important, or do you want more kids to be shot in the face because dumb people dont lock up their guns?
and its not a violation of rights, they arent saying you cant keep and bare arms, they are saying you should lock them up.
even if there isnt a law, stop being a straight out of freshen year libertarian anti establishment tryhard faggot and store your guns when kids or strangers are around like normal gun owners do.
>>30551782
Won't somebody think of the children?!
If you oppose laws requiring you to lock up your guns, making them inaccessible in a time of need, thereby depriving you of your recently SCOUTS-confirmed right to bear arms for self-defense, you are literally depriving ALL CHILDREN of their right to life and liberty!
>>30550976
> what if none of those people had guns
a society where criminals have litterally have NO access to guns is a society where :
- no civilians are allowed to have guns
- cops don't have guns
- army don't have guns
- borders are absolutely smuggle proof
- nobody know how to /can't have acess to any kind of machiney that can mill/stamp/forge steel
enlight me on your program to enforce these policies and explain to me how women, childrens , elders or casual mens not familiar with violence are supposed to defend against strong able bodied , familiar with violence evil white mens ( :-)))))) )
>>30551113
WHEEL
>>30550533
I don't have children and children don't come to my house.
>>30550444
asked? No
>>30550444
Checked.
This is how it works in Canada. You have to keep shit locked up in a safe or a cabinet, unloaded.
>>30550697
>>30550444
It's a matter of how it's enforced that's a violation of our rights
Right now youre probably thinking
>man this law sounds reasonable
>i don't want children to get hurt
But think how its going to be enforced
>hello sir
>we're the ATF (or other dpt.)
>we don't need a warrant to enter your house
>this is an inspection
Think you cuck
>>30550821
Bullets don't shoot if they're in a fire anon. Without the pressure of the barrel to force the projectile in one direction, basically nothing happens.
>>30550444
Fuck you I know exactly where you want this to go.
>>30550533
>on the understanding that you'd wake up if
do you have a fire alarm? whats the matter, afraid you might not wake up before it spreads too far?
Everything goes in the safe when im away for extended periods of time.
2 guns on the wall, ammo is in the safes. No kids in the house so defense gun is on desk or whatever floatin around the bedroom somewhere.
safe people make safe decisions, dumb people make dumb decisions. but no matter who you are its your fucking property and who gives a shit if you kill 20 babies cause you cant keep em out of reach, your genepool, your rules
>>30550444
>Do you feel that it is in violation of your rights to ask that your firearms and ammunition are collectively stored and handled in a safe manner?
What do you mean "ask"?
The government doesn't "ask" you to do things it demands that you do things and if you refuse it takes your money, locks you in a cell or kills you in order to maintain its authority.
And yes, I do think its a violation of my rights. I don't have any kids running around my house so I don't see any need to lock up my guns.
You authoritarians sure do love to pull that "think of the children!" card don't you? If we're dealing with rational adults then you're hard pressed to find a reason to deprive them of self determination; but if its children then you no one is going to call you a paternalist when you tell them that the state needs to protect people from themselves.
>>30550919
I don't agree with laws for these things, but I do know that you can be sued for those things, just sayin. I'm drunk, leave me alone
>>30551707
>Come back with your fingers and we can talk from there.
>>30550566
So when somebody steals your car and runs over a gay pride parade you should also be held criminally responsible?
>>30550651
Frig off, Cyrus.
>>30550697
Yeah, I really like how the RCMP charged a man with unlawful storage because he used a gun to shoot a home invader. The Crown's argument was that if it had been stored properly the man would never have been able to get the gun out, unlocked, and loaded in time to have helped him.
>>30550969
>>30550998
flour, when stirred up, and the percentage of flour to air hits the right ratio, will explode violently when lit, strong enough that flour storage containers lids have been found hundreds of feet away from the blast point.
so why dont we see an explosive symbol on the bags of flour you get from the store?
>>30550566
yes.
hey man, you need to round off the corners of every table and put socks on every door handle, what if walked into them. is it too much to ask that you make it safe?
>>30555666
Nice Repeating Digits
>>30555699
ahh silo explosions, I miss those
>>30555699
>tfw baker in a large commercial baker
am i going to die?
>>30555714
>>30555765
yes
>>30550976
Bullets aren't flammable. If you hold a bullet over a flame fucking nothing will happen. If you leave it over a hot enough flame for long enough, it'll pop like a firecracker, but there wont be enough velocity to seriously injure someone.
>>30551707
C4 doesn't explode when burned. You need blasting caps.
>>30550930
OH SHIT
WHO GAVE RANDY A FRIGGIN GUN
>>30551144
I live alone, in a very well secured home in a good part of town. If I want to nail a different firearm to every square inch of the wallpaper of my bedroom I'll fucking do that.
>>30551101
Whats wrong with that?
>>30550930
I think the important question to ask is who exactly is the naked man in their house? I can't get enough of this video though
>>30551707
Do you at all understand what an MSDS sheet is or what "explosive" means
