I wouldn't use it ever if I had a nice optic.
Or you could just have your irons cowitness.
>>30549337
If it works, it works.
Just don't overpay for it. Or make your own.
I use a Burris FastFire 2 on a 45 mount.
>What is cowitnessing
>>30549428
But you really can't cowitness if you have a magnified optic. That said offset rds work much better. This whole setup is only really good for competition shooting though, so you can look like a tactical douche
>>30549481
can't co witness with a magnified optic
Just use a HAMR scope?
Just used an optic with an illuminated etched reticle
Not a terrible idea of BUIS with a magnified optic. I don't use them, but I see the benefit.
>yfw the Army's CSASS rifle comes standard with offset irons.
>>30549497
>>30549498
Get learned
>>30549650
You would have to remove the optic to even flip those up genius
>>30549650
Are you saying the rail mounted BUIS or the offset piggyback BUIS are cowitnessed? I just want to know what kind of stupid you are.
>>30549650
Did they sand away parts of that rifle to make it look more worn?
>>30549822
fucking 100% positive thats what they did. I don't get why people do this as a couple years of handling will give a rifle a nice aged look naturally
>>30549822
yup, looks like blatant airshit based on that BCG
>>30549650
kill yourself with the airshit you just posted
>>30549481
No but really, what is cowitnessing?
>>30550169
Cowitnessing is when you are looking through both irons and optic at the same time. It's what people do with fixed iron sights combined with red dots.
It means you instantly can move from optic to irons if the optic breaks/turns off. Some people like it and say the irons don't get in the way while using the optic.
>>30550190
Wouldn't the magnification fuck up their perspective, meaning their used to the magnification and then when they have to rely on iron sights, they're all off?
>>30550169
cowitness is how much of your iron sights you see when you're using your optic. with a scope, you don't want it, but with a red dot, you really do.
>>30549414
What if you were caught in a cqc situation?
>>30550212
Yes, hence why you don't cowitness irons with magnified optics. Most magnified optics will be focused far forward enough that it pulls way more light from beyond/around the front sight that the sight won't even be visible other than as maybe a blur or tint. Even 1x power variables, the front sight will be slightly magnified and substantially distorted and unusable.
Hence 45 degree offset sights. But really, the only reason to use 45 degree offset irons is so that you don't get put into open division for having two optical sights. They're not really intended for use as BUIS (vs lighter and lower profile folding BUIS).
>>30550410
So what you're saying is if you have a normal, non-maginfied optic, cowitness with iron sights is fine, but if your optic is magnified, what, use offsets??
>>30550288
spray n pray
>>30550464
if your optics are magnified theres a good chance theres no space for backup sights if you want proper eye relife
>>30550521
So offsets are a good idea for magnified optics?
>>30550565
depends on your needs personally i find backup irons to be worthless things you will never use. used to have offset sights on my ar but took em off and stuck the rear on another upper. they were a nice bonus but at the same time why spend 200 bucks on something you dont use.
>>30550618
Personally, right now I use an AR-5.556 from ruger I got a the factory discount with just iron sights that came stock. I've never even seen the need for any sort of optic.
>>30550661
if your are happy with irons why bother with cowitnessing?
>>30550737
Cause I gotta keep up with the gear queers.
>>30549337
It's a certifiable meme
get a Optic and put on folding buis.
If you need irons and an optic available at the same time you're using the wrong optic
>>30549337
Mall Ninja cawwadooty shit imho.
Offset isn't really for back up, it's mainly an unmagnified alternate sight for those with magnified optics. If you just want a secondary backup sight option put your optic on a QD mount and get folding irons.
>>30549470
>>30549497
Offset RDS is the real gucci shit if you're not in a competition environment that restricts multiple optics.
>>30549337
Why don't people use 45 degree optic mounts on the left hand side more often? It keeps your fucking head lower.
>>30551052
Most of them are competition shooters
>>30551052
cause tilting the gun inwards is awkward as fuck. unless you are a lefty
>>30550464
Use offsets, use a quick detach mount, use an optic with an etched reticle
>>30549337
I feel like this would make you chicken wing like a mother fucker and fuck up your stability not to mention flag your elbows when moving around inside a structure.
>>30551103
I dunno, I did that naturally and seemed to shoot better with it.
>>30551103
You just move the rifle up along the side of your head. I've seen pics of people in combat doing that when they're peaking over cover.
>>30551128
Your wrists can bend and rotate, you know.
>>30551149
Must be nice. I have just a solid bone from my shoulder to my fingers.
In all seriousness, thats a fair point. Just sounds a little uncomfortable but doable.
>>30549822
>>30549870
Same bullshit as people who buy ripped jeans.
>>30549497
/thread
>>30551130
really guess youve got some odd arms then.
dont have a rifle on hand right now but the awkwardness im talking about is the position of your wrist. if you mounted the sight on the left you loose cheekweld since stocks are triangle shaped and the stock would get in the way. if its on the right side its still comfortable
>>30551307
Yeah, I lean more towards the right most picture. That's how I use all my rifles, and I'm more accurate than most.
>>30551307
I shoot a normal Ruger AR, a Vz.-58, an East German AK-47, a SCAR-17, a 590a1, a Marine 500, all sorts of shit, that just works for me.
I have some Dueck sights, and they are pretty natural to use. Turning the rifle 45 on your shoulder is no big deal, especially with a chest rig/plate carrier where your shoulder is full of fuck anyway.
>>30551168
It's definitely not a long term thing. The idea is it's just for clearing a room or part of a competition stage then back to your optic.
>>30549337
If you have a low power variable scope with a throw lever it is kind of redundant and just adds weight to the weapon. I can see it being useful with fixed or high power variable scopes though if you can't mount a red dot on top of the optic or if you want to maintain the same cheekweld.
>>30550565
>>30550464
If you have a magnified optic, you can't cowitness your iron sights.
When it comes to having a weapon with a magnified optic, some people just don't put irons/backups on the weapon at all. It really depends on what they are using the weapon for, and how it's being used.
If you have a magnified optic and you want a backup, you have several options. You can have iron sights that sit below the optic such as on an AK with a sidemount or an AR using a carry handle. You can have folding irons which are unusable without popping the optic off. You can have irons/backup micro-optic piggybacking on top of the optic. You can have a micro optic or irons offset to the side.
Basically, if you just need/want magnification there isn't much reason to put in backups. If you need/want backups, but only in the event your main optic breaks, having them folded under the optic works. If you need/want to have the ability to switch between different kinds of sights, you go piggyback or offset.
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With non-magnified optics, they almost always cowitness with the irons. Some people have fixed irons that always cowitness, some have flipups that are kept down.
Pic related is a common setup for soldiers. ACOG as primary, with a flipup iron as backup.
>>30554090
TA31 + flipping BUIS.
>>30554120
ACOG + piggybacking micro optic, allowing for instant switch between magnified and non-magnified optic depending on the range.
Same concept as offset, but less chance of it snagging on webgear. Downside is that more height over bore means less cheekweld.
>>30554139
Fixed irons cowitnessing with a red dot.
my SR-25 ECR came with them from the factory so they must not be because Knights did it and they only do the truest operator things.
ok how did i get through this thread with no one mentioning this
>>30550288
Close front cap turn on illumination of reticle as high as it will go
should rifle like normal
Keep both eyes open
blamo you got yourself a CQB weapon
>>30549822
It's a plastic toy.
>using an optic in cqb
>>30558036
I don't care who uses this technique, it's gimmicky and incredibly retarded
>>30556991
I genuinely came here to post this
