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hey guys I was interested in getting my pal and rpal soon and buying myself my first handgun. I was hoping on getting the colt 1991 gov issued 45 but was hoping for additional advice.
If you want a 1911, get a 1911.
If you want a simple babby's first pistol, a 1911 wouldn't be any better or worse than any other pistol. As long as you like it it's good.
If you want to be able to use it defensively to possibly one day save your life, please do not get a 1911
>>30542866
This is actually good advice.
If you want a 1911, get a 1911.
If you want a defensive pistol, get a polymer wonder 9.
>>30542866
>If you want to be able to use it defensively to possibly one day save your life, please do not get a 1911
lol
I detect a wee bit of insecurity.
>>30542889
I dont want something thats 9mm. 45 has great stopping power if the wonder 9 is i may look into it
why not a revolver?
>>30543003
i dont have an issue with my penis size
>>30542966
Just get the 1911
Two World Wars
Two Anti-Communist wars
It was fine for those guys
>>30542866
>>30542889
>>30543034
thank you for the advice anons
>>30543022
Neither do I, and I own two, and a deagle. Revolvers are fun, and the nicer ones are really good looking pistols.
>>30542912
Stop being a faggot for one second
>Most other pistols on the market hold more rounds, AKA more chances of being able to save your life. Disregard caliber buttfuckery, each trigger pull has a chance to save your skin. Why have 8 when you could have 15+
>1911s are vastly heavier for the stunted and limited ability to shoot someone. See above. Nobody in the right mind would carry a gun that's twice as heavy and "lasts" (in terms of bullets shot during a scenario) half as long as modern options
>1911s are built with more, smaller parts with tighter tolerances meaning in practice, the chances of a 1911 being stopped by lint, moisture, dirt, too much oil, not enough oil, etc are significantly higher than competing options that are almost unanimously agreed to be more reliable
Think of it this way, you could get a dump truck that gets you from A to B with a 10 gallon tank, or a regular sedan that has a 25 gallon tank
>>30543069
To be honest I do love the look and simplicity of them but I'm still a student and working a job part time. maybe later on but for now I gotta find a gun that's good on the range and defense
>>30542966
>45 has great stopping power
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>30543097
the thing is that i live in a sketchy town full of tweakers and the likes. god forbid one day some strung out addict tries something. my worry is that 9mm will need a few shots to take him down where as 45 will knock him down with only one.
>>30543176
.45 only wounds very marginally better than 9mm when using hollow points.
>>30543176
>>30543097
>Most other pistols on the market hold more rounds, AKA more chances of being able to save your life. Disregard caliber buttfuckery, each trigger pull has a chance to save your skin.
The average defensive gun use is 2 or 3 shots fired.
>Why have 8 when you could have 15+
1911s hold 8+1
>1911s are vastly heavier for the stunted and limited ability to shoot someone.
Heavier = less recoil
>1911s are built with more, smaller parts
Common myth. 1911s and Glocks actually have about the same number of parts. A Glock parts list just includes a lot of things with multiple parts as one part number.
>with tighter tolerances meaning in practice,
The word you're looking for is clearances, and that's not true at all. The Colt 1991 that OP mentioned is a pretty loose but well fit gun.
>the chances of a 1911 being stopped by lint, moisture, dirt, too much oil, not enough oil, etc are significantly higher than competing options that are almost unanimously agreed to be more reliable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEABZswQWDg
>>30543202
>>30543117
Alright and sorry I don't exactly know all of this. So then I'm guessing something like a sig would be preferred in my situation?
>>30543097
>1911s are built with more, smaller parts with tighter tolerances meaning in practice, the chances of a 1911 being stopped by lint, moisture, dirt, too much oil, not enough oil, etc are significantly higher than competing options that are almost unanimously agreed to be more reliable
Except that's fucking wrong
>Most other pistols on the market hold more rounds, AKA more chances of being able to save your life. Disregard caliber buttfuckery, each trigger pull has a chance to save your skin. Why have 8 when you could have 15+
>1911s are vastly heavier for the stunted and limited ability to shoot someone. See above. Nobody in the right mind would carry a gun that's twice as heavy and "lasts" (in terms of bullets shot during a scenario) half as long as modern options
No one ever considers lifestyle considerations. For similar reasons that people carry LCPs, Shields, or Glock 43s, people like 1911s. They are slim, shootable, and have external safeties. Believe it or not, some people like those things. Some people also prefer a legacy weapon as opposed to a plastic, throwaway, disposable, flavor-of-the-week wonder 9 that will be out of favor next Tuesday. 1911s are great guns for people who want to pick a gun and stick with it and not keep switching shit around when the market or the leet internet firearms instructor commandos say you should for the same reasons you're stating now.
They look better with a tucked in shirt because of how slim they are.
The magazines are nice and slim and fit in pockets or pouches nicely.
The triggers are sweet and much easier to be able to hit things at longer distances if the need arises. Say a pelvic girdle or headshot at 25 yards in a mass shooter situation?
Just admit for once that there is more to it than MORE ROUNDS LESS WEIGHT SMALLER. Sure but at what cost?
>>30543202
A 9mm that expands to that size is going to have very shitty penetration.
>>30543230
Glock 19, Steyr M9-A1, M&P9, xD 9, list carries on.
>>30542866
this man speaks the truth
>>30543261
I may be wrong but don't you want to bullet to stay in the guy? if it just flies out the other end he could recover a lot faster than if it was logged within him
>>30543261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM2AJm9VhYM
>>30543261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uii6BwleX_8
>>30543305
Were you trying to prove yourself wrong?
According to his numbers, the average expansion and average penetration was .608" / 13" in bare gel, and .49" /14.75" through denim
The largest expansion was .728", which is much less then in your picture.
So consider that a .608" expansion only made it 13", I don't see how it's possible for a .78" one to meet the 12 inch minimum.
>>30543320
And in this video, he has even less expansion, with a small gain in penetration.
Did you even watch these before posting them, or did you assume I wouldn't?
>>30543368
>12.5-18 inches of penetration
>Expanded to the size of a fucking XBox
>>30542470
>PAL
There is no carry and you'll pretty much never be able to use it defensively, so forget about "muh stoppin powah" straight away
9mm is easier to learn on, cheaper to shoot, and the guns themselves are generally cheaper
Just get a 9mm
>>30543383
At 13" they averaged .6" in size, and at 18" they averaged .5"
How does this help your argument that a .78" 9mm would have good penetration, when a .6" one only made the bare minimum standard by an inch?
>>30543408
> "muh stoppin powah"
I'm in tears laughing but what if someone tries to break into my home. As I said I am a student and live in a shitty part of town.
>>30543471
Well, you live in a country that doesn't care about your basic human right to self defense, so you're in a tight spot.
From what I remember, Canadanons plan to just tell the police they happened to be cleaning the gun at the time, and that's why they had it out.
ITT: butthurt 9mm owners shitposting
Fuck you
OP 9mm is nice because it's a little cheaper per round to buy
otherwise literally buy whatever you want, these guys are autistic as fuck.
>>30543421
Having an HP expand a bit more than average won't affect its penetration that much. HST consistently reaches 12+ inches.
>>30543471
If somebody tries to break into your home, a handgun legally needs to be locked the fuck away and unloaded, meaning that it's not impossible, but unlikely you'd be able to use it
Btw, no matter what, if you shoot the intruder (or probably even point a gun at him) you'll be charged with all sorts of bullshit and they will ruin you, just out of spite for gun owners
Moreover, if the concern is home defence, you can get a long gun that works better and is much cheaper and easier to shoot effectively. A Mossberg or something would work way better.
Final issue: say that you want a gun for defence on a PAL application to be instantly rejected
>>30543497
thats actually smart. yea my country is going to shit, let the crims have access to guns but civilians can just keep screaming until the cops arrive
>>30543511
According to the videos you posted, a .1 inch different decreased penetration by 5 inches.
The .6 inch round made it 13 inches.
How the living fuck is a .78 inch round going to make it at least 12?
>>30543516
I was about to say waht the fuck are you talking about, then I realized OP lives in a cuck state.
>>30543567
It's pretty bad.
I've thought about moving to the US, but sadly you only seem to want third-worlders with no skills or resources whatsoever
>>30543563
Ballistics is an amazing thing, especially terminal ballistics. See >>30543511
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>>30543577
Seems to be the norm in 'white' countries these days.
>>30543516
alright thanks for the heads up. I'd honestly still shoot the bastard no matter the charge. If someone comes into your home with the intent of taking away my right to life there is no reason I should allow him to keep his. guess its what I get for living in such a cuck country
>>30543117
don't tease him.
>>30543230
It's good you're being honest OP. A wonder 9 translates to pretty much any double stack 9mm (used to refer more toward DA/SA guns but not so much now).
like >>30543265
If you bought a glock 19 or the larger framed glock 17, you'd be happy. I'd use it as the standard of what you'll be comparing all other possibilities against.
Personally, I really like the walther PPQ. It's a hair more expensive but it's a great gun.
>>30543596
Yeah it's better than being dead, but you should still understand the situation
Virtually all defendants in self-defence shootings are acquitted: even the guy with no gun license who shot a dirtbag stealing his quad, or the guy who shot two (and killed one) cops attempting a no-knock raid in the middle of the night got aquitted
But crown prosecutors are malicious sacks of shit, and they will charge you anyways. They know they'll never get a conviction. But they know it will take years and tens of thousands of dollars from your pocket to reach that result, which is good enough for them
>>30543599
those seem nice too again thanks for the info I'll keep comparing some mentioned here
>>30543625
damn thats just messed up. not to sound like some edgy kid but $10,000 to rid the world of a degenerate that otherwise would have continued to steal, murder, and rape seems like a good trade
>>30543677
>$10,000 dollars
Try several times that amount
These poor bastards get screwed by the system for years, and legal fees for all that time cost an absolute shitton
>>30543696
all hope in our legal system was lost but gun was found. thank you again guys and good night
>>30543176
It doesn't knock people down. You've watched too many movies. Shotguns don't propel people through the air either.
>>30543225
>The average defensive gun use is 2 or 3 shots
Why does that matter? Even if the average is 1, it just means that is the average, and it is possible that some will require more than that. Why choose less for no reason at all?
>1911s hold 8+1
Depends on the person and the 1911, not everyone is using an 8 round magazine. Some people might have Officer's models with mere 6 round magazines. I don't see why you needed to increase the average capacity of the 1911 for your argument, when you say two or three rounds was "enough" on average.
>Heavier = less recoil
Kind'a bullshit comment though, you and I both know it has noticeable recoil. Stating "less recoil" in that way makes it seem as though it has less than polymer guns, or almost no noticeable recoil, that's shit.
>Common myth. 1911s and Glocks actually >have about the same number of parts. A >Glock parts list just includes a lot of things >with multiple parts as one part number.
Wrong, 1911's contain more parts. You are correct that in most Glock parts lists the trigger, slide stop, and recoil spring is counted as one part. The 1911 still has more despite this.
I love 1911's, my collection of them outnumber my Glocks. The pistol is over a century old, still best in some areas (like sexy trigger, or ergonomics which are subjective) but it is somewhat dated, even with modernization. There is no need to be a blind fanboy.
>>30544138
>1911
>recoil
Manlet detected.
>mfw my 9mm 1911
nigger what is recoil
Are revolvers for fucking idiots?
I want a hand gun for protection and I think revolvers look 20x better then anything else.
Are they practical?
>>30544168
Yes, revolvers are practical and harder to fuck up with if you get a jam and panic. Don't go with too big of a cartridge and you'll be fine.
You'll lose capacity and reloading will take longer so you should really go with a semi-automatic pistol if you're comfortable with one but a revolver will work perfectly fine. As will a 1911.
>>30544168
i think they are nicer to shoot. should be sufficient for most purposes except for gunfights but that's not going to happen to you.
>>30544180
Oh dude I was expecting a no, so I'm pretty psyched.
Is a .44 overkill you think?
>>30544199
True, good point anon. What makes them nice to shoot?
>>30544235
.44 magnum is definitely too much. I shouldn't have said "big" since it's a bit ambiguous and the strength of recoil is based on the loading as well.
.44 special is probably okay but it's not as popular to make the round itself and revolvers chambered in it. I would personally go with .38 special as it's the most common round for police and self defense.
>>30544255
Fuck anon, on the website im on all 38 specials look gay as shit.
What can I get that looks like a deagle or a non short revovler that isnt over kill
>>30542470
Hey OP have you gone to a range and tried out a selection of handgubs? You want to make sure whatever you pick feels good in your hand and that you can operate it.
>>30544235
.357 magnums use cheap and low recoiling .38 special ammo
they have good single action triggers
Revolver's my favorite to shoot, it's a Ruger, if you can get one there, great gun
>>30542470
You need to go to a gun shop and get your hands on multiple guns to see what you like. Preferably with someone knowledgeable that you trust because you certainly cannot trust the salesman. Do you like single action only, double action/single action or striker fired? Do you trust yourself in a life or death scenario to remember to disengage a safety? These are all important things you need to ask yourself before you buy your first gun. Find something that will fit you, check reviews and make sure it comes from a reliable manufacturer.
Is the Colt 1911 a good gun? Yes, it is a great gun, but it may not fit you personally. The same could be said of many guns so you need to become knowledgeable and decide for yourself.
