Bacon here,
Welp. Where should I order my body armor from? bulletproofme? LA Police Gear?
>>30541608
Army bacon here. LA Police Gear is outstanding, check out Galls and 511 Tactical. Stay safe.
why do police still wear shit level II armor?
>>30541701
Because they really only anticipate pistols on the job. Some cops keep hard plate carriers in the trunk in case something big goes down, but can you imagine wearing plate carriers 8 hours a day? I went on a deployment and that shit sucks. You can't do that shit as a career.
RESPECT THE BACON!!
>>30541608
SKD Tactical has a great selection and reputation.
>>30541701
Because the vast, vast, vast majority of crimes that involve a firearm are done with shitty concealable pistols chambered in popgun rounds.
Almost never rifles, because those are hard to conceal and the people that typically do crimes that involve firearms look like shady customers and have long rap sheets. They're stupid, but they're not so stupid as to not understand walking around with a rifle over their shoulders looking all gangsta or what have you will result in cops showing up, and that's counterproductive.
>>30541738
This. One of my cousins is an armored car guard for Brinks and wears a level III vest and it actually starts to cook his skin on hot days.
>>30541608
Just don't get in the way, cop.
Formerly stationed in California. If you confiscate their guns it's war. Like I care what your body armor is. I'll shoot you in the head.
Not really. Actually I'm 100% serious. Just playing.
What would be the most comfortable concealed armor? I live in the south, so I'd be willing to go down to lvl II to avoid heat stroke.
>>30541608
Quit your job and un-fry yourself, m8. Your profession is oversaturated, anyway
>>30541701
Because criminals most of the time use pistols. Most street thugs wont be carrying rifles
Wearing plates for hours on end I would imagine would kinda suck
>>30542573
E D G Y
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>>30542678
Yeaah maaaaan
>>30542692
P U S S Y
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>>30542678
>Your profession is oversaturated, anyway
Seems to me they just freed up four new spots, but what do I know
>>30542812
>>30542812
5 now.
I got mine from galls.com
>>30541701
Not sure if bait... but anyway.
You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Because anything heavier would be too encumbering on day to day activity. At least here in Finland cops have heavy body armor in trunk in case it's needed and only wear flexible vest rated for pistols all the time.
If cops would be rolling around all the time with heavy bodyarmor, helmets and MP5/assault rifle/shotgun all the time every one would be bitching about militarisation of police.
>>30542573
Pelvis is easier and just as reliable, fyi.
Unrelated, but how many (1 or 2?) shots can one endure without getting knocked unconscious? Lets say it's level 4 plate against .30-06 M2.
>>30541608
it's 2016, where are the big advancements in body armor?
isn't there a huge market for lightweight body armor that can stop up to .308?
with all the money we pump into defense research, why is infantry armor so far behind?
>>30544788
Dubs speaks truth. Pelvis fractures and hemorrhaging is serious stuff and leads to death, especially if they can't find the right place to clot.
Also a shot to the femoral artery is another sure fire kill shot via bleed out.
>>30544790
I've never heard of anyone getting knocked out by taking hits to body armor. Getting the air knocked out of them, bruising, and potentially fractured or broken ribs, but never getting knocked out
>>30544790
Lvl 4 body armor is hard armor plates. People getting knocked unconcious is usually multiple pistol rounds to soft armor since the impact isn't stopped by a rigid plate.
>>30541608
How about instead of militarizing even more, you just tell your fellow officers to stop murdering innocent people.
If cops actually waited until their lives were ACTUALLY in danger before they gunned down criminals instead of magdumping anyone """"""'"'"''reaching"""""""""""" , things wouldn't be this bad. You're no hero when you would kill others just because you're scared, and not actually in danger.
>>30545533
>you
>>30544803
Where are our room temp superconductors? Home cold fusion reactors? Flying cars?
>>30542573
I'm sure you're probably a little bitch in real life. Takes a tough guy to say things anonymously online.
>mfw I live in Dallas
>mfw I want to go help DPD downtown
>mfw I sold my level III plates to get new Level IVs
>mfw my plate carrier is now just a giant overbuilt chest rig
fuck
>>30546207
is that happening?
are there armed citizens helping the police?
>>30546245
I'm not sure, I haven't heard anything like that, but I want to go and see if I can help. DPD are really great officers legitimately committed to making the community better so I want to do my part. But I'm stuck in the office all day on my 20th birthday no less, I now have no armor, and I need to zero my ACOG. I for sure am going tomorrow if they still have downtown cordoned off after I zero my optics.
>>30546335
i need to buy some armor, I keep on spending my armor and ammo money on more guns
>>30546384
I just orderd Level IV standalones from Grey Ghost through a buddy of mine with an FFL, I'm waiting on them to ship, no idea how long it'll take to get here
>>30546335
This sounds like a terrible plan that will get you arrested or shot.
>>30541608
keep the hood safe h.
>>30541608
1) Buy a slick, or nearly slick PC.
Test fit it, make sure it is comfortable.
2) Buy STANDALONE Level IV plates- No steel.
Too many cops will buy any Lv IV plates, and don't realize that most of the time, the affordable plates are In Conjunction plates. This means they need a specific soft armor backer to perform at their rating- a soft armor backer that (A) needs to be right against the plate (therefore not feasible if you are throwing this Over your current uniform) and (B) THE soft armor backer it was tested with (And there are literally dozens of soft armor variations)
3) Do PT in this kit.
Just like you should be doing PT in your uniform, you should be doing PT in your full kit.
Suggestions-
Plate Carriers:
Tyr Tactical
Velocity systems
LBT
Mayflower
First Spear
Eagle (though they tend to be heavy)
Crye
Armor:
(These will both be manufacturers and websites)
AT Armor
Hoplite
Paraclete
Velocity Systems
I would suggest you grab the 'AT ARMOR CONTINGENCY PLATE CARRIER', two curved (or multicurve) level IV plates and a D3 chest rig to go along with that AT PC.
>>30546799
Not OP but thanks man. I want to at least get a couple ceramic plates before a ban might happen, I figure I can get a carrier whenever or if I suddenly absolutely need them prior I can Gorilla Tape them to my chest and back for a short duration.
>>30546864
That AT contingency PC (horrible name) is only $99 and they are in stock, Multicam in sizes M/L/XL right now.
PC's don't need to be expensive to be good.
>>30546799
>I would suggest you grab the 'AT ARMOR CONTINGENCY PLATE CARRIER', two curved (or multicurve) level IV plates and a D3 chest rig to go along with that AT PC.
Why this one in particular?
>>30545931
>I'm sure
You aren't. I am. Feel free to test my resolve.
TACTICAL SHIT IS SELLING LVL 3 AND 4 PLATES TO LEO AT DEALER COST
Message them, they just have to vet you with your PD and number, etc
http://shop.tacticalshit.com/
>>30546920
It is $100, has the swift clips to attatch the D3 series of chest rig, and comes from a quality company.
It's only what a LEO would need, and nothing else.
>>30546942
Thanks.
Any suggestions as to specific plates? AT's cheapest ones are 9.5 lbs, where should a person typically draw the line at cost vs weight?
>>30546976
I know Hoplite sells a single curve IV plate for around $150, NIJ certified, and is 7.7 pounds per plate.
And the call for Cost/Weight is up to you. Just know that if you want to be less than 15 pounds running a plate bag and armor, you will be paying a fair premium for it.
>>30545499
I wonder what it would be like to wear plate armor and take a hit from a large caliber rifle like a 45-70 or something like that.
Defiantly wind knocked outta ya but maybe Broken ribs too
>>30546207
>>30546245
>>30546335
Defiantly do not, repeat DO NOT, go and try to help the cops.
You will do more good staying out of the way and being a good gun owner.
If you really want to help ask if they need volunteers or bring them food.
Do not just show up with a gun and armor.
>>30542626
Not sure how much help we can actually be, from what I've experienced most departments buy from the same maker and most officers don't wear more than 2 or 3 vests in their careers.
We use Survival Armor. Our old vests were II and our new ones are IIIa, the new model is noticeably more comfortable than the old, but still uncomfortable because body armor.
>>30547105
Yeah, i mean, dont get me wrong, if for some reason some dumbass is trading shots with a cop outside my house, i might put a few though my window to end it sooner.
But to run around an active shoot? You will be tagged by an officer before you get the chance to explain yourself.
>>30547131
>leave rig in car
>approach
>i have my rig in the car, can I help out?
>more eyes = more coverage
no get shooty
>>30547193
>Running up to a cop during an active shootout
Wew lad.
If its not a shoot out, the cops will most likely tell you to go home.
>>30547044
What's the benefit of multicurve vs single curve?
I just heard about this on the news. My condolences to the fallen officers' families and the entire american society. In light of that, I've ordered one minute of silence before the beggining of the shift this afternoon.
The 3rd Company of the 11th Batallion of Military Police of the Military Police in Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil offers it's solidarity to the american people. We know how it's like to lose police officers, we just lost one monday morning (pic related).
Sorry I can't stay longer and talk about this, but I'm on duty right now.
RIP to all fallen officers (couldn't find their names).
>>30547256
Of course I forgot the trip. Whatever, you all know its me. I hate using trips anyway.
>>30547256
Names are not released yet, sans one.
Thanks BRbro.
Soft body armor isn't going to save you from 5.56, 7.62, or pretty much any intermediate to full size rifle caliber. You'd need steel or ceramic plating for that.
>>30547256
Thank You - You and your guys stay safe, BrazilBro. We must fight the good fight everywhere.
One of the fallen officers - the DART officer, was a team leader in Iraq and served there with a friend of mine.
RIP Brent Thompson. Dine in Valhalla.
>>30547044
>from http://store.atarmor.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1884
>Rifle plates are rated to stop 6 hits of 7.62 ball (Level III) or 1 hit of .30cal Armor Piercing (Level IV). Specifically:
>Level III - Six (6) 7.62x51 NATO ball (147gr) hits (so essentially all Level III plates are "multi-hit") . Fired from 15m at 2,780fps.
>Level IV - certified one (yes ONE) hit of 30cal M2 Armor Piercing (30.06, 166gr) fired from 15m at 2,880fps. A Level IV certification does not ensure the plate will withstand Level III as well the Level IV threat (it is not a progressive rating). However, this does not indicate that the plate will fail against a Level III threat, it simply indicates that the plate has not been tested and certified against it (NIJ certification is expensive for manufacturers).
So if I'm not expecting AP rounds but would like assurance against typical rifle rounds, might level III actually be BETTER for me than level IV?
Why does /k/ hate on AR500 armor so much?
-Level III+ stops multiple 308 AP hits
-Can take multiple shots without losing integrity
-Plate is coated with anti spalling polymer
-Weight is 8lbs/plate
-Price point is great
>>30547205
>active shootout
I'm not talking about an active shootout
>during active shootout
No time for questions, cover and return fire away from officers, move to secure wounded if I'm able and move them behind cover before attempting to deliver aid
>>30547343
I keep some AR500 in a backup rig, it's not like it's bad. It's just that it is inferior to level IV ceramic plates, it's heavier, and the anti-spall coating helps with the spalling, but you are still going to have that problem unless you get the extra anti-spalling pad to stick in front of the plate.
Also the XM193 5.56 is capable of defeating AR500, so there's that problem. Better off just going with level IV ceramics for your main carrier and having AR500 as your backup.
>>30547343
Because
>heavy
>spalling (I don't give a shit about their coating, it might help but it will still spall)
>meme
>overpriced
I think the last point is the most important one. It's literally just a curved steel plate that they spray with that same rubber shit you can line the bed of your truck with. I can make that myself for a lot less than $200
Why even worry about body armor? Your just gonna get outplayed by some guy running at you with an AR.
>>30547343
The level IV plate by ar500 is good, the rest of their armor is bad though.
>>30547404
xm193 only defeats the level III plate, the level IV stops it.
>>30542573
>>30547320
>>30547236
Do also want to know about these.
>Also the XM193 5.56 is capable of defeating AR500, so there's that problem.
Show me any evidence that XM193 defeats AR500 Level III+ armor.
>>30547551
The standard IIIs were getting hole punched like paper inside of 50 yds with M193, it was all over youtube. I think they mitigated that problem with the III+ though
>>30547597
Who the fuck would buy their III+ plate when it weights more than their level 4 plate.
>>30547505
Welcome to 4chan baby boy. I'll be your guide.
>>30547629
I dunno mang, I just ordered level IV ceramics, I had AR500 Level IIIs that I sold to basically get my ceramics for free
>>30547641
The ar500 level IV is a ceramic plate.
How much of a benefit is multi-curve over single-curve anyway?
>>30541608
He was throwing some steel core bullets, you'd need ceramic plates to stop that.
Just stay home, pig.
>>30547193
You'd get blasted by the cops. They are in retard panic mode and will spray anyone who doesn't have a shiny gold thing on their shirt.
>>30547654
kek I thought they just used a thicker steel plate
>>30547687
Brb getting some shiny gold stickers
>>30547656
>you'd need ceramic plates to stop steel core.
hello newfag
>>30547656
Fucking smoked that bacon like it owed him money, goddamn!
>>30547724
or DRAGONSKIN
>>30546933
>TACTICAL SHIT
this this this OP
>>30547736
Memeskin, that shit is obsolete.
>>30547343
I forgot: You can be rough on AR500 and not have to replace a $300 plate because you hit the dirt too hard or set your PC down too hard. Also, longer shelf life.
>>30547655
Re-asking
>>30545533
I was with you until you started abusing the quotation marks.
>>30548233
Like women, the more curves the better, no heavy fatties though.
>>30547312
Brent Thompson was from where I went to high school and was a RO there too. He was a cool ass guy. My buddies at my favorite LGS knew him personally too, he would email the shop owner shopping lists when he was doing contracting in Iraq and his wife would pick it up to send him in care packages.
>>30547320
Yes. Problem is none of the ratings directly address 5.56mm. Some level III plates will not stop M855. Others won't stop M193. So you need to make sure that they're rated to stop these relatively common rifle threats. Don't assume something that stops 7.62 will stop 5.56, this is very important.
>>30547343
>Recalls because level III plates don't meet rating requirements
Is that enough reason?
![SBI_AD_HIVIS[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HaxwnGA.jpg "SBI_AD_HIVIS[1].jpg")
If the shells were a hi viz color and had reflective tape. then I think the police could get away with wearing better armor.
>>30548605
So don't even worry about NJI rating of the armor, just base it on the company saying "rated multi-hit vs M855/M193/7.62x39"?
>>30548671
I would be leery of taking manuf. claims without independent testing. I don't trust most armor companies as far as I can throw them (eg: AR500 Armor recall, Zylon debacle, etc). Best bet is to get in touch with other departments, Dr. Gary Roberts, Buford Boone, and the FBI BRF to find out what they use or to see if they have test data relevant to your needs.
I would also recommend going to the Primary and Secondary youtube page and searching for all the videos pertaining to armor. Those guys have some very valuable information about choosing armor and procurement best practices.
>>30548671
other thing is that oftentimes NIJ ratings are required to get that federal grant $$$.
>posts but does not list budget nor purpose
>overt
>covert
People like this who panic buy and do not have deep pockets to buy the best should stay quite
after all even "Hypothetically I knew the best contractors for TALOS, DARPA,AND SOCOM" I would "never "trust an untrained civilian with that kind of protection. *wink nudge nudge*
also thats a proxy site you need to call to place an order. I will be evaluating and testing the armor system 75% body coverage you're looking at around 19 lbs and 3000 usd for SIC3 which has a lvl 9 hardness vs diamonds 10 and is a little softer then Boron carbide. Surface area is your friend for stopping rifle rounds and this stuff is made of hexagonal Dyneema. This is all public knowledge... good luck
Here you go for 10x12 Sapi goes for roughly 350 usd each.
https://www.survival-bug-out.com/products/stealth-armor-systems-hexar-3-flex-planel-flexible-s-a-level-iii-rifle-plate?variant=10888605187
>>30547320
Yeah, the rating system is inherently flawed. But generally, Lv IV can and will outperform a Lv III plate.
If you already subscribe to the idea that you need body armor, you should probably shell out the dough for a higher rating.
>>30547236
Comfort, both when just wearing it and when shot.
Imagine how your torso is shaped. Now try to put a flat 8x10 cut out on it. Not comfortable, and creates hot spots.
Now imagine the force of a bullet, or multiple, hitting that flat surface. Those hot spots, just became centralized pressure points for the impact.
A contoured plate will help both of these- if will feel more comfortable when just wearing, and will help dissipate the impact of any rounds as there is more surface area.
Anyone else have questions?
(I was away at the gym)
>>30549111
If this is really a viable flexible plate why wouldn't they make a form-fitting full-body (or full torso at least) armor option with it instead of just making typical plate sizes?
>>30549196
What do you roll with?
>>30549268
This is custom armor that can be made in any shape or size that fits your application. single or multi curve is obsolete with this system. Surface area is your friend when dealing with larger rounds and higher velocity threats be advised this is not rated for AP threats. The boron carbide models are still being nij tested.
Plus most armor carriers and plate carriers are designed from the ground up to take that size of plate its more marketable then to start from scratch no?
>>30549268
It's by the same dude as Dragonskin. Chances are high it's shit.
Just buy ESAPIs. Or any quality lvl 4 multihit. SKD standalones, highcomm is cheap, anything - steel is for retards.
Ceramic diffuses force laterally into microfractures. Steel simply attempts to break or bounce shit, so it's less reliable and inferior at the conceptual level.
If you need light, consider a ceramic/UHMWPE hybrid.
>>30549358
nij standards change and I will be conducting testing of it in September time frame. It already is contracted to SOCOM hence the lead times. Do you really think Dyneema is shit? Also it passed nij 06 which requires water immersion and intense heat in a rotating dryer...
>>30545533
>Murdering
>Innocent
Pick one you fucking propagandist.
>>30547105
>Defiantly do not, repeat DO NOT, go and try to help the cops.
This.
You would get shot by the cops.
>>30549358
>Here's the NIJ Testing Standard.
http://www.chiefsupply.com/body-armor-nij-010106/
>>30542573
Yeager plz go, go get your buddies killed and hide in a ditch
For anyone considering steel, this is a well-written (if a little long) and cited reason why you shouldn't: https://www.survival-bug-out.com/pages/why-ar-500-body-armor-isn-t-a-good-deal
>>30549283
My basic kit is a First Spear 'The Slick' with Hoplite Lv IV single curve plates and a 762 Tactical 'Patriot' chest rig in woodland.
I however have just ordered two new Hoplite Double Curve Swimmer lv IV's plates, a Large Cry Cage Plate Carrier (Large Plate bags, XL harness because I often layer up)
Not sure if I want to keep using a PC/ Chest rig set up, or if I should go with On-PC-pouches.
I like the flexibility, but with a full PC the weight might be too much for me.
>>30546245
no and anyone who does that is autistic
>>30549406
Dyneema is fine, except against contact shots and steel core. I didn't know about the SOCOM contract, but even with ceramic additives and/or STF I'm skeptical about performance.
>>30546799
>you should be doing PT in your full kit.
No. This runs the risk of developing injuries that will fuck you up. It's ok to do it once every so often, so that you know how it will be when you have to use it, but doing shit like running all the time in full kit is just asking for knee, ankle, foot, and spine injury.
>>30549625
The Creator of Specifically said it is NOT rated for steel core or AP/API projectiles hence I know its dyneema.i It was Specially tested against m855a1 and that is good enough for me. nij 06 requires 45 degree shots and it passed with flying colors. Uninformed People are afraid of change I guess.
>>30549707
Okay, to clarify, I never meant it to be a main PT exercise, only something so the wearer can know their limits while wearing the kit, and for them to occasionally push said limits.
Maybe once a week as part of a workout you use the PC, and maybe once a month you try to run a mile for time in the kit.
>>30541738
>Because they really only anticipate pistols on the job.
It seems like a intelligent, informed conservative would factor this into a conversation whenever a "salt raffle" debate comes up. This fact, coupled with how most gun crimes in the US are committed with handguns.
>>30541608
Here you go OP, AT armor for the win.
http://store.atarmor.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=LE-ATSCPKG
>>30544788
>>30544854
Can someone who is bleeding out from a pelvis wound still get rounds off in retaliation though, this is the question.
>>30550053
Yes. I would also argue that in a terror attack, a guy bleeding from a pelvis wound can still clack off a bomb vest.
>>30544788
I heard a rumor about the army teaching pelvis shots now or something, is this why? To avoid body armor?
>>30541608
dont bother
kill yourself you garbage pig
>>30550257
Pretty much. The Army teaches a lot of stuff and there have been a variety of training initiatives and outside training contracts, where all kinds of different stuff gets taught.
>>30550257
bc its funnier to shoot a dude in the dick and watch him freak the fuck out in horror
>>30550257
Most likely to avoid shooting over people's heads. Firing too high has been a military problem since projectiles were used in warfare.
>>30541608
AR500. It's pretty affordable.
>>30550297
pls no, fuck off
>>30547656
I thought it was a sniper?
>>30550307
No u.
>>30547055
>I wonder what it would be like to wear plate armor and take a hit from a large caliber rifle like a 45-70 or something like that.
You can try this at home, no seriously.
Look up a ballistic energy calculator, find out how much energy the round in question would have. Next find out how high you would need to drop a 5lb lead weight from to equal that same force.
Put on your plate, lay on your back, and have some one drop the weight on you from the necessary height.
Not 100% safe, but 100% accurate.
>>30550412
Aaaaand 110% your daily value of self hate.
>>30550412
That kind of ignores the possibility of BFD, which will be different depending on the diameter of the projectile.
>>30545533
I know this is a joke, but my room mate wants all police to be disarmed so they can't shoot "poor black people" anymore. He said none of this would have happened if they didn't have guns.
>If the UK can do it, why not the USA?
I can't fucking tolerate him any longer. If he finds out about my funs he'd go ape shit on me. Kill me
>>30550456
>he'd go ape shit on me
No he wouldn't, because you have a gun and he doesn't.
>>30550278
thats pretty fucked man
>>30550647
I mean, he'd try to kick me out and would probably succeed.
>>30550053
Depends on pain tolerance. I've seen a guy with nothing from the thigh down draw and fire before getting shot.
>>30550809
>kick me out
Is he your roommate or your landlord?
>>30541701
Cops don't have the cardio to run with level III armor on
>>30550278
Away with you.
>>30550053
Considering all it takes is a few pounds of pressure to pull a trigger, absolutely. During the FBI Miami shootout, one of the perps was shot in the head, went unconscious and then a few moments later woke up and started shooting again.
>>30541608
I want armor now just because I imagine it's next to get banned.
>>30541608
Would a German flak jacket and a steel pot helmet be good enough?
>>30542721
how does it feel being an internet tough guy?
>>30541608
Tactical shit is running a sale for LEO's. You guys can buy level 3+ and 4 armor at dealer costs
>>30552136
>gun violence is too high, people are getting shot left and right, we need a solution!
>nobody needs body armor, are you some sort of paranoid nutjob?
Fucking libs, I tell you what.
>>30552136
>>30552255
It's already banned in Connecticuck. Shit hole.
>>30550412
You know, just like a bullet, it IS possible that they miss and that weight hits you somewhere without armor...
>>30552288
Looks like you can purchase body armor face to face, unless you are a felon, in CT.
So you can't buy plates online. That sucks.
