Is this the ugliest MBT currently in existence? Looks like it has a fucking tumor.
>>30512117
>Is this the ugliest MBT currently in existence
nope, that is not best korea tank
The level of butt-ugly.
I'm having a SEIZURE!
(Yes, I did steal that from "Scenario for Creamshed")
>>30512117
I think it looks cool, if not a bit dated.
>>30512140
I like it. Looks like a real amateur made it. what are those two fibreglass tubes on top? RPG-18's for when main gun rounds are too expensive?
>>30512117
Nice post OP :)
>>30512117
no bully
>>30512512 #
The longer tube is supposed to be a Grail I think. IDK about the shorter one.
The Norks like slapping MANPADS on their tanks for some reason, like it'll stop them from getting raped by Hellfires from 5 miles out.
>>30512512
that is their lastest Beam-riding SACLOS ATGM
don't know why they welded two of those into the tank roof
>>30512920
>Beam-riding SACLOS
>>30512985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbNMBw0wSm4
skip to 02:00
>>30512117
> It looks like a fucking tumor.
It's naht a tumah!
T-14 was confirmed for ugliest when we finally saw real pictures of it
>>30512846
How is that ugly?
>>30514585
It's not. Op is a Slav who had never heard of a turret bustle before
>>30512117
>>30514452
>>30514545
I think it will look better once they stick ERA and shit on it. The T-90 looks damn funky without the ERA and extra containers on it.
>>30515332
well the thin covering giving it that funky geometrical shape didnt survive the recent testing they did so maybe they'll just ditch it altogether
>>30515292
got-dang those blocky A4 Leo2s are nice.
>>30516214
the TIger 1 lives on!
>>30512846
What is that nasty little midget of an MBT?
>>30516329
your mother
>>30516339
My mom is 4'11 no lie
>>30516314
Indeed. Look at the machine gun on top of pic related
>>30516422
mg3/mg42 aww yeah
>>30516353
and how much does she weigh? hint: anything over 100 is too much
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>>30512848
>>30512512
>>30512920
Ya those are ATGM, because guns only go out to about 4km and Missiles go much further.
>>30515292
Oh ok, so he likes his ammo stored under the turret instead of in it. Typical stupid russian.
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>>30514585
I just dont like the fucking massive lower glacias. I under stand modern doctrines are usually to fight in hull down/turret down positions, but caught in open ground...
>>30516314
>>30516422
Except the 2A6 gets this up armour
>>30517794
Depending on the armor layout that might be where the primary frontal armor is.
>>30517863
Though the actual armor is still the same.
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>>30517932
>Though the actual armor is still the same.
The add on armor gives extra protection against both HEAT and sabot.
The void spaces fucks up the HEAT jet and causes sabot darts to flex and/or snap.
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>>30518006
>empty air causes sabots to snap in half
This is what /k/ actually believes.
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>>30514545
I agree that the T-14 is the ugliest tank.
Since the late 1940s Soviet/ Russian tanks have look decent due to the low-profile hull and the rounded dome turrets. They looked appealing and their design reflected how they would be used (In quick attacks, overrunning seizing enemy positions.)
The T-14 is a departure from that look and looks more Western. Except that it is ugly and has no reason to be that big. Not unless Russia has also abandoned the basis for which their armored forces were built for, the previously mentioned fast attacks.
Maybe a new turret can improve it, but until then I'm calling it the ugliest MBT.
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>>30518688
t-14 is the best looking tank the russians have made
And they are now producing tanks on par with the west
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>>30518831
Well the looks part is purely opinion, so I respect if you disagree with me on that.
But is it really on par? Very little of it has been seen and the weight of it is displayed as 48 tons. Compared to Western tank which Western tanks that are roughly 60 tons. Even if you subtract the 2 tons of wire on the Abrams (And whatever else it is on the Leopard 2, Challenger 2, etc.) there's still a big difference between that and the T-14. On Western tanks the weight goes mostly into armor. So the question is: What did the T-14 ditch to save that weight?
>>30512117
>hating the ariete
Its not that bad and it looks like the challenger 2s sister but its nothing special either
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>>30518831
>And they are now producing tanks on par with the west
Those faggot Germans disagree on teh armor at least with that bigass new gun of theirs.
>>30518688
>Except that it is ugly and has no reason to be that big
The hull has to be both higher and longer to accommodate all the crew sitting in it as well as the bigger engine and of course the now vertically stored projectiles. Then the turret is taller to house a much bigger gun whilst maintaining adequate elevation.
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>>30518875
>So the question is: What did the T-14 ditch to save that weight?
Some of the turret armor weight. Also its 48 tons empty or without the armored skirts at least.
The wiki page is wrong- this:http://vpk.name/library/f/armata.html is both outdated and full of erroneous speculations. The unused T-99 code is indictment of that.
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>>30518978
How much larger is the gun compared to the one on the T-90? Or is that space reserved for the planned 152mm? Looking at a supposed cutaway I can see how the shells are arranged for the autoloader, I'm not sure it would make a big difference if the ammo gets hit though.
>>30518978
So that's the weight of the vehicle without its armor packages and ammunition? I guess that would make up for some of the difference. Thanks for bringing that up because I did just do a quick google search for weights.
The T-14 does seem to be the comfiest MBT from the videos I've seen inside of it. But I'm curious how the T-14 and crew will perform when they're limited to cameras and monitors for target acquisition and engagements. No other country has gone beyond the prototype stages with that concept, so it's a gamble for Russia.
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>>30518831
The 'west' has been trying to catch up with russian tank designs ever since before the WW2. Germany, the only relevant western armor designer, is now at least 15 years behind Armata program. The only modern MBTs coming close to be 'on par' with T-14 are K2 and Type10.
Just a reality check.
>>30518348
No but the hard plates in these spaces do this
>>30519201
>The 'west' has been trying to catch up with russian tank designs ever since before the WW2.
Butttmad vatnik detected.
Call me when you can design a tank that doesn't shoot the turret into space and vaporize the crew as soon as somebody sneezes.
>>30519278
>The 120mm L44 gun was made to deal with tanks like the T-64A
>The 120mm L55 gun was made to deal with tanks like the T-80
>They are working on the 130mm gun Rheinmetal gun which is advertised as being able to defeat the T-90A and maybe T-14 armour, but it won't be ready until atleast 2020.
>>30519201
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>>30519070
>Or is that space reserved for the planned 152mm?
Yes. Though I am of the opinion that they would never really need it, the relaxation of the projectile length limit gives them a lot of incentive to improve the projectiles rather than go to a newer gun. Doesn't help that the newer 125 mm APFSDS perform just slightly less in raw penetration than the older(read 80s) 152 mm APFSDS. Almost same situation with the 130 mm and the 140 mm in the West really.
>So that's the weight of the vehicle without its armor packages and ammunition?
The ERA on the front hull and the main armor array are integral so its included in the empty weight I think. And yes without ammo and a small amount of fuel I think, the tanks only really need to be under 50 tons to be able to be taken aboards most flatcars.
>But I'm curious how the T-14 and crew will perform when they're limited to cameras and monitors for target acquisition and engagements.
Probably not as bad as the pilots when radars replaced the human eye as the main sensor.
As an added bonus since the whole thing is controlled from screens the vehicles in themselves can be used for simulated training. Or you can watch movies and stuff I guess.
>>30516848
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>>30519278
>Call me when you can design a tank that doesn't shoot the turret into space and vaporize the crew as soon as somebody sneezes.
Only the Abrams (and the T-14 when it enters service) has blow-out panels for all its stowed rounds lol. The Chally 2 has stowed rounds all over the crew space, which didn't help it one bit when a HESH splatted against the commander's turret and sent hot fragments down the hatch. And the Leopard 2 has most of its ammo in the hull port-side without provisions for partitions and blow-out panels so it will end up just the same as that T-72.
>>30519397
what are the t-14's blowout panels?
>>30519418
Probably the service hatch.
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>>30519435
probably...
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>>30519278
Call me when your overweight cow has an APS, ATGMs, ERA, AESA, stealth coating, net-centric capability and a functional loading system that doesn't require adrenaline-induced nigger to function.
>>30519558
what tank has all those bar the human loader ?
>>30512140
i think north korean tanks look kinda cool in a mad max kind of way
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>>30519579
>what tank has all those bar the human loader ?
T-14, but I must add
>stealth coating
Is likely not built-in or is it the metal sheet of the turret.
>>30519635
I don't think it's build in either, it's probably more like the T-72B2 if anyone remembers that, it has a thermal cover that makes it quite stealth but it weighs a ton.
>>30515292
>hurr durr op is a slav
Yeah okay, kinda really weird and cringy thing k has going on here.
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>>30519397
>single Chally destroyed in Iraq due to being hit in area not yet protected by Dorchester withcrew surviving
>lelelele all western tanks are useless
>T-90s being popped increasingly in syria by TOWs
>m-muh monkey models
>th-that smoke is normal honest bruv
>i-it's American propaganda
vatniks pls
>>30518915
>Those faggot Germans disagree on teh armor at least with that bigass new gun of theirs.
The 130mm gun is a private venture, not something requested by the German military.
>>30519314
0 for 3
>>30516848
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>>30519201
Well they were until the 80s when the West caught up.
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>>30520518
Stay mad.
>>30520687
>The 130mm gun is a private venture, not something requested by the German military.
And? You do realize most of Rheinmetall Leo 2 customers these days are not even the Germans, but international users. Its also stupid to think the company only starts development of new products when the German government tells them to, not when developments from competition appear.
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>>30520868
The gun's development started before the T-14 was public, what is stupid is thinking the 130mm gun was created because of competition and not as a shiny to get countries to spend money.
>>30512985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TPn0C1LXw
>>30520518
>T-90s being popped increasingly in syria by TOWs
Not a single flying turret yet
>>30520898
>was public
Are you for real? The Rheinmetall people don't keep tabs on their competitors via popular media. Actually even a few googling back then would net you results that the Russians were cooking up something after the T-95 was cancelled way back in 2010 and it was the Armata.
>shiny to get countries to spend money.
nice meme. shame that it doesn't make sense because A)governments the world over are hesitant when procuring costly upgrades that aren't really needed, and B)If all they wanted was money then they are doing a pretty piss poor job with the 130 mm since it needs a brand new turret to use. which means more cost for the customer, the typical of which balks at L/55 upgrades cost let alone a newly built turret.
>>30520898
Oh it was started WELL before the T-14 came about. It was on the drawing board as a mid 90's potential upgrade competing with the 140mm mounted on the 'Thumper' and a potential 80-100mm ETC cannon to counter emerging Soviet armored threats. So far from what's been released of the 130mm, it's unimpressive compared to what was envisioned in the 80's for the caliber, particularly when it comes to projected chamber pressure which is similar to the XM360 (which is only a 120mm with similar dimensions as the L44 but weighs almost half as much as the L44 and despite what's been reported by some is not ETC).
>>30518688
T-14 gives me a sci-fi boner.
>>30516848
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>>30516848
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>>30512117
Swaggy Ariete
>>30518688
>Not unless Russia has also abandoned the basis for which their armored forces were built for, the previously mentioned fast attacks.
It's a tank made to be as advanced as possible, so they can say "we've got a really advanced tank". It might get called in to blow up some goat herder, but otherwise it ain't gonna go off the parade track.
>>30521001
>It was on the drawing board as a mid 90's potential upgrade
Sauce for this. This is the first I've heard of it being as such.
>>30521001
>So far from what's been released of the 130mm, it's unimpressive compared to what was envisioned in the 80's for the caliber
50% more KE puts it right at the 20MJ ballpark of the old 140 mm.
>particularly when it comes to projected chamber pressure which is similar to the XM360
Sauce. Can't find a quote and neither were numbers for the chamber pressure limit supplied by the manufacturer's for both.
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>>30517932
The armor package has also been improved.
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>>30520968
>Rhienmetall has access to highly classified Russian material
>>30519397
>The Chally 2 has stowed rounds all over the crew space
Except those rounds are all inert. The only combustable elements are stored in a contained bin in the most heavily armored part of the tank. The only reason the BoB incident set them off was the inside of the tank was on fucking fire at the time. In which case the crew would be dead/abandoned anyway.
>Only the Abrams (and the T-14 when it enters service) has blow-out panels for all its stowed rounds lol.
I'm pretty sure the K2 and Type 10 do as well, due to their autoloaders.
>>30520518
>single Chally destroyed in Iraq due to being hit in area not yet protected by Dorchester withcrew surviving
I get you're just trolling the vatnik, but it wasn't an area "not yet protected" that did it. The destroyed one was from a HESH shell that pretty much flew through an open hatch. You're thinking of an entirely separate event where the tank wasn't destroyed, and had a crewman injured.
It is one of those "you couldn't make this shit up" tier events.
>>30521554
If they are inert why did that one brew up simply from a HESH round hitting the commanders hatch?
>>30521688
The HESH landed inside the turret though an open hatch
>>30517863
2A5 also has that armor
>>30521207
>Sauce for this. This is the first I've heard of it being as such.
You'll have to wait until I get home unfortunately for me to upload the pdf. At work for the next 5 hours. It's an interesting read from an old document from I want to say GDLS off the top of my head but I can't remember for certain. It comments about potential future armor developments expected by the mid-late 90s and possible counters. It brings up a caliber increase of 130mm as a near term interim solution and says something about it being a contender for what was expected to be the next West German MBT main armament and possibly an upgrade for the Leopard 2. Needless to say, it heavily extolls the virtues of the 140mm that they had fitted to the infamous 'Thumper' vehicle and claims it to be the most viable upgrade path while saying that ETC technology isn't ready yet and is expected to be viable and ready for the "FMBT" (Future Main Battle Tank) project to succeed the Abrams.
Interestingly they gave some outlines of potential designs of Soviet MBTs and they ended up coming up with something extraordinarily similar to the Object 477A, so either they had some espionage help to determine likely paths of Soviet armor development or great minds think alike.
>>30512846
>>30521773
It hit the open hatch, it didn't go inside.
And if the ammunition is protected as claimed, it shouldn't have detonated and popped the turret.
>>30521859
Not him, but this sounds very interesting. Please, do share!
>>30522187
You're acting like it was SparkBOOM in Slavstyle speeddeath.
The entire interior of the tank was on fire. Eventually that fire reached the ammo. Bang. Tanks generally aren't designed to have 120mm shells hit INSIDE them (Spray or direct, whichever you believe) and not have issues.
Challie 2 Is ugly AF.
Chally 2 is ace.
>>30523928
No it isn't Squater fag.
>>30518348
this is actually true fucknugget
>>30523755
>Tanks generally aren't designed to have 120mm shells hit INSIDE them (Spray or direct, whichever you believe)
It hit the hatch and fragments from the HESH round caused the HESH rounds inside to burn and then explode in few seconds.
>You're acting like it was SparkBOOM in Slavstyle speeddeath.
Have you seen videos from Syria and Iraq? The time for cook off greatly varies from tank and tank due to different damage suffered and alot of other factors. Some instantly explode while other take as long as a minute to start to cook off. In the case of the challenger 2 blue on blue then it seems to have happened rather fast but not instant.
https://web.archive.org/web/20061003222028/http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/C2384518-7EBA-4CFF-B127-E87871E41B51/0/boi_challenger2_25mar03.pdf
>>30518348
Empty air sends the force of the shell in all directions instead of at one point. Its basic physics and it works ridiculously well.
>>30517863
>Except the 2A6
I didn't mention the -A6. I was talking about aesthetics. I like the boxy -A4 much better in that respect.
>>30516353
>>30516475
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