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>Savage Stevens 320
>12 Guage
>5 round magazine
> $190
So what's the catch? Why is it so fucking cheap? Is there something wrong with it?
Does it make a good poor fag shotgun? What does a more expensive shotgun offer over this?
What are some other good models of shotguns? I hear the Mossberg 590 and 590a1 are supposed to be top tier.
What are some good semi auto shotguns? Is there any issues with semis other than being more spendy than a pump? I would have thought they'd been more popular than they are.
no
Get the hawk 982
It is 306% better, for the same cost
- better reciever
- more aftermarket
- better sights
- better
- superior
- buy it now
t. 982 owner
>>30503978
Okay, but why are they like half the price of a Remington 870?
Like what's up with this extreme value? Seems sketchy.
>>30504052
Made by the chinks
Norinco-level quality in my opinion. Probably operated by a norinco partner, desu
Costs them about $20 to make it.
There isn't a catch, really. When you buy it, just be sure to replace the sight screws with American ones. The ones that come with it are kind of soft metal
That's the only really downside.
>>30504052
They just are really simple guns. 870's or other more "expensive" shotguns might last longer because they are better finished, but even then, there's hardly any room for error when you're speaking of pump action shotguns.
>>30503941
>Is there any issues with semis other than being more spendy than a pump?
Not really, but you do run into some issues if you want to use lighter loads.
>>30504093
>Costs them about $20 to make it.
How much could an American company be able to make shotguns for I wonder.
I've really been wanting to make something simple like an Ithaca 37 as value shotgun made in America.
>>30504129
the savage 350 is the chink 37 knockoff and they were pretty cheap 150-250ish
the 870knockoffs are built way better though
>>30504129
The chinks make AKs for about $30, according to the recent small arms survey. Makes you wonder why you pay $600 for a Wasr, eh?
Imagine if the import restrictions were loosened... We could have Chinese guns for cheap up the wazoo
And they would still make gobs of money
>>30503941
poorfag /k/ guide
>>30504683
That guide pisses me off to no end
Whoever made it has no idea how to make a proper infographic
In fact, I'll make my own I'm so pissed off
>>30504785
bumping for this
bump again
>>30504785
Agreed. 1: Where the fuck is a Maverick going for $230? Most I've seen them in my area is $199, and usually on sale even at the big stores like Dicks. 2: Why the fuck is a Mossberg 500 "Premium?" 3: Seriously? A black-powder muzzle loader in the pistols section?
Fuck...
>>30504785
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>>30504785
fucking this
fuck that gay ass infograph along with the homemade magpul bullshit jfc
>>30504052
because norinco/IAC didnt develop the rem 870 action which the 982 is copies directly from, therefore your not paying for R&D costs for the last 50 years
>>30503941
There really is no catch anon. There are a couple annoying quality issues like the flashing on the grip and the fact that it doesn't have a second sling point but as far as a pump-action scatter gat, it does it's job very well.
Don't get it, I bought one and it was a piece of shit, each time I would rack it, it would jam
>>30504662
Seriously when and how can we get 60$ AKs I fucking hate politicians.
I own both 870 supermag and a stevens 320. I never had any issues with mine, took every type of load i put through it flawlessly. This included 2 3/4 light loads to heavy 3 in mags
Also got mine for $179 a coupke years back.
>>30503941
Don't listen to these shitlords, I bought a 320 last week, took it to the range yesterday, worked FLAWLESSLY, put everything through it, buck shot to three inch mag, no problems, 100 rounds, load and shoot, just to see if I could get something to break.
>>30504683
Sccy is not a single stack, other info seems to be on point, own a few guns off this list
>>30503941
I have one of I like it.
>>30505748
Mine was like that and I took it back to where I bought it and they sent it back to Savage and within a few weeks I got it back and it was fine.
Also sometimes people rack the slide in a funky way making things wonky. Try not to do that :)
>>30504785
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>>30505695
maybe u didnt read the fine print under title, "version 1.0- october 19,2015- by a couple of /k/ & /pol/ fags in the middle of the night"
>>30506060
I wish I got this version. I don't like the pistol grip. I want to put a traditional stock on mine but I heard Savage won't sell the stocks aftermarket.
>>30504129
In America, qualified workers probably get paid 15x as much as their Chinese counterparts
>>30504683
Why does it say a roll crimp is bad? Under spartan shotgun shells.
The slide spot welds break on the 320
Get a pardner protector
>>30506978
I second this
> Get a H&R Pardner Pump
I have one and its a tank. No problems what so ever with it.
I also have a Remington 870, definitely worth the $150 extra.
Poorfag guide is coming along nicely
Should b done tomorrow,
>>30504129
Good luck with not bastardizing the design. That design and it's predecessors have never been that cheap to make since it's all forged steel and wood. Even part of the new ones claim to fame is not cutting corners.
Chink guns are cheap because the workers get paid like shit for working 7 days a weeks. In some cases it's literal slave labor.
Anyone know if these are on sale at Dick's currently?
>>30505761
>I fucking hate politicians.
Maybe Norinco shouldn't have been selling FA guns and rocket launchers to gangsters.
As much as I hate not being able to buy legit Russian AKs, China can kiss my ass. Our domestic arms market would be utterly raped by Chink slave copies while US makers try to keep up by dropping their own quality. We've got enough shit outsourced in disappointing level already
>>30511146
Is there any particular reason that you want someone else to check their website instead of doing it yourself?
>>30505882
Wow that's a real torture test, you should pitch it for a mil contract
>>30503941
>Is there something wrong with it?
Plenty from what I've seen. I know a person who bought one and his gun's magazine tube was too small to fit shells into, like they'd stuck a 20Ga tube onto a 12Ga gun or something. I've also seen nothing but bad reviews.
Norinco's 870 clones are probably the best $200 shotguns on the market currently and can be found in different configurations as the H&R Pardner and the IAC Hawk. The Maverick 88 is alright too.
>>30503941
>What are some other good models of shotguns?
>What are some good semi auto shotguns?
i have a remington 1100. it's pretty awesome.
semiautos can have some devastating misfeeds, and they don't cycle themselves with "low recoil" shells and some other novelty ammo. obviously i thought the tradeoffs were worth it; i used to own a mossberg 500.
>>30504683
> Mfw I live in california
Can't buy 80% of that shit
All guns are 300% price
> That $190 mosin
I fucking wish
It's a wide-open market and a simple weapon to manufacture, so the quality will vary quite a bit but they will all mostly be functional. I just researched all of the manufacturers because I was looking to replace my 870 Express and I wound up with a Tristar Cobra Force. Tristar is an importer that renames or has different options for Kral firearms, which is a Turkish factory. The price for lower end shotguns came down dramatically when Turkish and Chinese manufacturers (and Rock Island) started being imported through American companies and rebadged under local names. Some of them are excellent shotguns but as you creep towards the ~$200 end of the spectrum the shortcuts start to materialize. If I get into it this is going to be a long-ass post, so I'll skip to your questions.
The Savage Stevens is a Chinese machined import. It gets sent to Canada or whatever, but it's not American anymore. The conglomerate that bought Savage and Stevens also owns Remington, which is why people hate new Savages. I can't remember the name of the factory. Interstate Arms Company and H&R are also companies that are just importers now, mainly from Norinco affiliated factories. These shotguns are clones of other popular models like the Stevens 350 being an all steel Ithaca 37 copy. That does not mean they are bad, but some parts are clearly cheaper and prone to breakage and the machining and finish are cheaper. The 320 in particular has a cheap plastic for-end with weak welds, a hollow stock, and poorly manufactured extractor that tends to need replacement, plastic optics if present, and a blued finish. All those things add up quickly and along with overseas production cuts the costs down dramatically. Cheaper models also will only be cylinder-bored and have no choke. This all translates to them wearing out quickly and being unreliable (such as jamming on 3" shot shells). Quality control is unreliable and warranties are limited.
The Maverick 88 is a cheap Mossberg manufactured in Texas with most of the same parts, meaning that a lot of parts are interchangeable with Mossbergs. In my opinion they were lacking in ergonomics and finish but a lot of people swear by them and they are really American. The Hawk mentioned earlier is also a Norinco import. RIA (Philippines) also makes a shotgun with a marine-finish and a big stupid heat shield but I've heard bad things about it.
Most of the Turkish factories are pretty reliable and a good deal of high quality shotguns get made and sold there now. Linberta, Chiappa, and ASI are more of those companies worth looking at. Iver Johnson, Howa, and Escort are Chinese. Escort actually has a solid reputation and makes higher dollar shotguns in addition to the entry level pump. CZ-USA makes excellent shotguns.
One thing you'll notice is they all have 5 or less round magazines. There is a ban on importing larger capacity shotguns in the US.
Now the 870's and Remington: Fuck Remington. The new 870 Expresses are garbage and less reliable than anything Chinese, but they cost ~$400 dollars because of the moniker. The old circa 2000 Expresses are solid but have extractor problems. To get anything Remington worth having you need to shell out for their higher tier models like Wingmasters; the ones they still give a shit about. If you want Remington it's safer to get something old or top shelf. Mossbergs are still fantastic but they have to pricetag to match that quality. The 590s are awesome.
Do not cheap-out on semi-auto shotguns. Beretta is the cheapest one I would really trust and some people even hate them. The one thing about a cheap pump action is the pumps are hard to fuck up. They're the sledge hammers of the firearms world.
>>30506166
Probably not that much more. Wages for regular workers are getting to be $2-3/hr, so for more hands-on and technical workers like the ones in a gun factory they're probably making $4-5/hr. US gun factory worker probably makes like $20-30. So more like 5-8x. The cost savings really come in the form of not having to give workers benefits, I'd imagine.
>>30511949
>Do not cheap-out on semi-auto shotguns. Beretta is the cheapest one I would really trust and some people even hate them. The one thing about a cheap pump action is the pumps are hard to fuck up. They're the sledge hammers of the firearms world.
Also, when you shuck a pump action you feel like a real man, whereas when you fire semi-auto you feel like pussy. If you've ever driven stick you know the difference.
>>30504785
Godspeed
>>30511981
Ruger starts at like a buck over minimum wage.
>>30511985
It really makes a difference if you shoot competitively. Swapping from a Remington pump to a Beretta 1301 makes staying on target and reacting much easier. The best shotgun I've used for shooting was some $1500 Weatherby over-under, the worst were the beat-up bastard SPAS-12s with iron ghost rings. The semi-auto mechanisms require quality manufacturing to be reliable. I wouldn't call the 590 top-tier myself but they are solid tactical shotguns sitting at the lower price end of a spectrum occupied by companies like Benelli.
>>30511822
>>30511949
How are current Mossbergs? In particular the Persuader line, do they accept M500 parts?
>>30512229
I'm pretty sure the Persuader is just a model version of the 500's, like a Predator is a police/high-capacity version of a 500 or 870. Things like the stocks are pretty simple to exchange. If you're looking to get the Mav 88 and add a few pieces from the 500 line-up that could work. One of the appeals is that you can do that with most Mossbergs, just make sure to look up if you really can. There was one part that would not fit even though it was listed that it could. Put a pic of the Persuader pump up next to the Mav 88 and you'll see how similar they are. The 88 is just an economy variant kind of like the E model pistols from S&W or Ruger. They cut little steps and accessories down and change factories and you get the bare-bones 500.
They are very reliable and rugged shotguns and have maintained their quality. Some people prefer the controls on them over the 870. The safety will be on top of the receiver, the grip angle is a little different, the ejection ports are different, etc. I really recommend going into a store and just handling them all, using the controls and racking them. Those companies have a "base" design they use for practically all of their line-ups and the models and variants are options, barrel lengths, materials, and gauges. Remington 870's, Mossberg 500's, Winchester 12/1300's, and Ithaca 37's have been the go-to designs for a century. If one fits, anything of that type will fit.
If you have specific questions about a model, etc. I can try to help you out.
>>30512578
And don't be afraid of used shotguns. You can get a high quality used shotgun for close to the same price as a new budget model, just research the prices first. I would avoid newer Remington's because they tend to rust rapidly.
>>30512578
>>30512613
thanks for the info, what would your recommendation be for babby's first scattergat? I want something quality but still reasonably priced and fairly customizable
>>30511116
I thought the Ithaca 37 would be the cheapest because the whole thing about having the loading gate and ejection port the same thing
I could name 50. It's best if you have a hard price limit when you start looking. If you've never used one before it's hard to suggest anything because the features you want change the model you're after so much. Customization is not really a concern on a shotgun until you have a specific purpose in mind. If you start throwing accessories all over a cheap shotgun it will compromise how usable it is and draw your budget past the value of a better shotgun. It would be a really good idea to read the shotgun articles on Lucky Gunner. Most people want it to do "a little of everything" and they can all do a little of everything, poorly. If you're just starting to look, stick to a standard stock without a pistol grip and don't get caught up in sights and rails. You will not need a red dot holographic sight, a bead or ghost ring is usually adequate. The material (synthetic or wood) will effect how the balance and grip feels. When I was new I definitely preferred wood grain. The cheaper shotguns will also have stiff actions which can be off-putting to newbies. As much as a shit-talk it now, the 870 E had a pump action like butter. The Mossbergs will, too. There will be some play and rattle in them but that's about keeping all the parts moving in any conditions.
>>30512922
Not that poster, but the Ithaca 37's are heavy-ass blocks of steel like they said (10lbs. vs 7). The ejection port design doesn't make it cheaper, it's still forged steel. Most shotguns tend towards aluminum receivers now.
>>30513052
So is the 870 the cheapest to make/design then?
>>30513153
Probably. It's the most copied design and has some of the simplest features. Most of the cheapest models in the thread are 870 clones. The 870 and 500 are the Camaro/Mustang rivals of the shotgun market. The old Winchester and Ithaca designs are just less popular but you can still find them as both budget and luxury models at a few companies. The 870 is actually from 1950 but hit that magic space of reliability, utility, and ease-of-operation that made it explode in popularity in the U.S. The 590 is basically the 500 but built to military specifications. Ithaca and Winchester pump designs are more of the older models you see around WWI (Winchester 1897 is the "trench gun") when the market was switching from multi-barrel, lever action, and exposed hammer designs. I still have the family Ithaca Nitro Express side-by-side from 1938, but they basically died after WWII and didn't see a resurgence in popularity until recently.
>>30513052
Dude no, Ithacas aren't heavy at all. The heaviest guns in the catalog are like 8.5lbs. One is full blown tactical and the other is a thumbhole stocked slug gun. Most of their stuff is 6.5-7.5lbs like everyone else. The 10g semis they used to make we're fuck heavy though.
Ithaca also has the decency to use smaller receivers for smallers guns instead of just swapping the barrel and tube.
>>30513153
870s, 500s and the SXP.
What you have to consider here is that all the modern shotguns like the ones listed came about as more cost effective options over nicer shotguns, so they're already cheap comparatively. directly competing would be a motherfucker but what you COULD do to make things interesting would be to make receivers of the 870 and 500.
Look at what black aces did and take a note. Look at the two things people hate about 870s and fix em (riveted ejector and fucky lifter/loading gate). You could sell 26"OAL birds head pumps with 14" barrels and AR style build your own kits all day
>>30513990
Is there such a thing as a Mossberg 500 80% receiver?
>>30511692
I bought a mosin for 160 in Los Angeles last month it, and that included 70 rounds.
Mossbergs are known as shit quality
i have seen some fugly fucked up feet in threads on >>>/k/ lately but you guys are alright. your feet are not terrible.
picture unrelated to post content
>>30503941
Had one for a while.
Tips-
=Saw off the rearmost portion of the foregrip, it's pointless and blocks the feed gate.
=Do some dremel work to some of the rougher areas
=They take parts with the winchester 1300/1100
Cons-
-Some of the earlier ones have shitty welds on the forend and will break.
pros+
+Cheap, works, and is a good shotgun to work with if you want to get into nigger-tier gunsmithing.
I'm thinking of trolling pawnshops tomorrow for a singleshot 12ga to bastardize. I'm looking to make it just above the legal min (18.5/26") so that its compact as hell, so I can carry it easier on my motorcycle when I want to ride out into the desert and blast stuff.
Anyone have any images of modified singleshots (or any shotgun really) that are fairly compact I can use for inspiration?
Have a bolter in return.
>>30514730
By whom exactly?
>>30515412
Is called a lupara. Sicilians dig them.
My brother bought a Mossberg Maverick 88 for his first gun. It's essentially the same as a 500 except it has a thumb safety instead of a tang safety and some 500 accessories won't fit the forestock.
But a 500 is not much more so it's really up to the preference on a safety. I prefer a tang safety, but if you want an aftermarket stock with a pistol grip then a safety on the trigger guard may be better.
>>30515509
eh, while I love the look of lupara's I'm not willing to give the ATF monies for one nor am I going to risk them coming after me before the 2016 election for making one without giving them their monies.
>>30515412
My Stevens Model 58D 20GA, 18.5" barrel, 29" OAL
Love mine. 2000+ later.
Wilson combat 870
>>30511176
>Maybe Norinco shouldn't have been selling FA guns and rocket launchers to gangsters
>gangsters
You mean the government?
Because they didn't sell to any "gangsters", they sold to the fed posing as cartel members.
And the chinese, being capitalists, sold to people who had money.
>Our domestic arms market would be utterly raped by Chink slave copies while US makers try to keep up by dropping their own quality.
Fuck you, and fuck the domestic arms market. Bunch of greedy fucks not worried about putting out goods at reasonable market prices and more worried about profits.
If they were better than the chink counterparts, then the market would buy them.
But they weren't, so they framed them to take them out of the market so the domestic makers could make a better profit.
tl;dr fuck you, I want a free market and ability to choose who I buy my firearms from. Not just domestically made overpriced shit.
>>30515992
>tl;dr fuck you, I want a free market and ability to choose who I buy my firearms from. Not just domestically made overpriced shit.
Next you're going to say you want to buy something besides a 1911 clone or an AR-15 clone, aren't you? Fucking commie scum!
>>30514655
There used to be.
>>30515992
>Because they didn't sell to any "gangsters", they sold to the fed posing as cartel members.
Wow such a big difference between criminals and criminals posing as criminals.
>>30516032
>Next you're going to say you want to buy something besides a 1911 clone or an AR-15 clone, aren't you? Fucking commie scum!
You mean like all clones that keep the chink market afloat? I'm happy with the current variety without buying shoddily made/finished bullshit produced with slave labor. Don't play it like you want innovation, you just want to be a cheap ass. Dropping the block on non-sporting arms would give you all the variety you could ask for
I want a list of every possible accessory you can get for a shotgun, no matter how tacticool or obscure. So far ive got:
Recoil Reduction Pad
Weapon Light
Side Saddle
Buttstock Shell Carrier
Sling/Shell Sling
Shell Belt
Shell Bandolier
Shell Vest or Tactical Vest
Shell Carrier
Bayonet
Laser
Scope (probably not great for a shotgun)
Red Dot or Holographic Sight
Ghost Rings
Boresnake
CLP or cleaning fluid
Snapcaps for practice
Earplugs
Safety Glasses
Plant Knife (so the court system doesnt fuck you over)
Pepperspray (if the situation doesnt warrant shooting someone)
Latex Condom to waterproof the barrel
Some kind of bullet proof vest or armor
Things that you DONT want:
Any kind of video camera or sound recorder. Footage will be analyzed to death in a courtroom until they find some tiny thing you did wrong and send you to prison forever.
Anything I am missing?
>>30516978
Heatshield
Shoulder thing that goes up
>>30516978
Gunsock
Gun Case
Gun Safe
Airtight Protector Bag
Desiccant Packs (for the above storage methods)
