Look how the cop tried not to harm the criminals.. and end up paying with his life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfSCtagbC1E
This is how the human rights / marxist movements are killing cops and law abiding citizenz left and right
>>30503280
sucks but shouldn't law enforcement be held to a a higher standard? It should be a difficult and demanding job since you have that great power and it comes with great responsibility like my uncle ben said. Then again HR shouldn't be fucking over people due to politics and people trying to get higher in rank.
>>30503332
i bet he pondered several times how he would be crucified in the media as a cop killer, policial violence and so on, fucking things like this put a lot of anger in me
>>30503332
Yeah well what happened to uncle ben
>>30503280
Wow, brazilians sound like when someone with downs burns their tongue.
>>30503280
Brazil, Thank GOD no humans were hurt.
uhhhhh did the white shirt guy not get shot once already? if so why did he shoot him some more when he literally tackled the cop?
Also where the fuck is back up? 1 cop against 2 potential scum is a recipe for disaster
Would've shot white shirt until he was down as a brick when he tackled me and aprehended passenger until backup arrives
>>30503280
>must be the gommunists and libruhls!!
I like how there is a reverse Blackstone formulation at work in the minds of those who blindly defend the actions of police and buy into the bogus 'war on cops'. That is to say, they believe that it's better that a hundred innocent men be killed by police paranoia/incompetence/malice than a single cop be harmed.
That being said, this is Brazil we see here. Please refrain from trying to justify your ideas on criminal justice with the developing world. It is possible for American police to be too gung ho and blaise regarding the rights and safety of their citizens while Brazil is shitty altogether.
Also you do yourself no favor by spouting bullshit about 'marxism'.
>>30503733
>t. Bernout
>>30503697
>Brazil
>reliable backup
Pick one
>>30503753
Cop block pls.
>*cue asshurt copblock gif, as if it is relevent in a nation of about a million cops
>>30503806
Do you have anything of actual substance to say or are you just gonna sit there being butthurt?
Guys I really don't know which side to take anymore.
On one hand, I understand the need for cops. They are a response to a nation that is plagues with rabid dindu's in every major city. They're needed by people who can't/don't own guns. I don't think they should be gunned down by criminals, but that's about where my sympathy ends for them.
On the other hand, I don't blindly support cops. Cops should have some system of checks in place to keep them from abusing their power but I can't side with leftists on this either.
Every time I start to fall more behind cops, they kill someones dog or there's a new video of them abusing authority and I'm right back where I started.
I don't consider them to be on my side because without a doubt cops will be the arm by which the left uses to confiscate our firearms if they are told to.
>>30503753
In Brazil, Marxism is a major social force though.
>>30503922
How about cops have the right to self defense, the same as a regular civilian, but they are criminally accountable for misuse of force, the same as a regular civilian.
Accountability is not the same thing as persecution.
>>30503922
>I don't consider them to be on my side
They aren't and basically have never been.
Guess which side of the "thin blue line" you're on.
>>30503948
You'd have to dismantle every bit of the obfuscation that happens in their internal disciplinary hearings which will not happen.
They get away with this shit because all of this happens in secret.
>>30503904
you're the one butthurt trying to justify HR that the contrary is for cops to kill inocents to save themselves, you simply either didn't watch the video or is a marxist yourself (even if with your damaged brain hadn't sppoted it yet)
>>30503975
See, if niggers weren't stupid, instead of rioting, they would insist on outside supervision of law enforcement by organizations with a completely separate chain of command.
It's funny because we have this in the fucking military, in combat zones in the form of IG, CID and JAG, but we don't have anything like it for domestic police departments.
Presumably this is because we weren't quite stupid enough to let the military form unions.
>>30503948
Holy shit! A rational arguement!
Also the video doesn't give evidence to shit. A long shot could be he didn't call for back up as he was possibly trying to get bribe money...
Although unfortunate to watch, the cop did shoot him first. Even though I support the cop from this angle shown, maybe he was breaking basic inalienable rights?
>>30503753
Just a question
Are you brazillian ?
>>30503922
Cops number about a million in the US.
If negitive cops truly outnumbered the positive ones, then instead of a bad egg appearing every now and again, we would see those types of stories tens of times a day.
You take a million people of any profession, and you will have negitives. Doesnt matter how stringent your barriers to entry are, there are medical doctors who we get stories about doing terrible shit.
>>30504109
>then instead of a bad egg appearing every now and again
You do realize that the saying is "a bad apple spoils the bunch."
If negative behavior is not punished, it will poison the entire group.
This is a basic fact of human nature.
>>30504139
There is also a saying that "you dont throw out the baby with the bathwater".
The fact of the matter is the true bad ones (not the media inspired mike brown bullshit) do get punished, and they are very, very rare.
>>30504139
I could link a cop whom was fired without explanation, who claims to be terminated for ticketing other cops?
Or how about that so cal cop who went around murdering his department because of corruption? Or how about three fucking elected chiefs who were involved with underage prostitution?
>>30504184
>*Or how about that so cal cop who went around murdering his random unrelated people
Fixed for you.
>>30504109
The bad apple comment plus the fact that there's a verifiable history of the nominally "good" cops covering up for the nominally "bad" cops.
Try to clean up your precent a little and guess who doesn't get timely backup if shit goes down...another cop doesn't even have to pull the trigger on your ass. They just have to drive a little slowly...Training Day melodrama doesn't even have to take place.
>>30504175
>The fact of the matter is the true bad ones (not the media inspired mike brown bullshit) do get punished, and they are very, very rare.
This is simply false.
The NYPD has gone through multiple internal commissions intended to root out corruption, and every time, without fail, they concluded that the commission before them had failed, and then usually the people who convened the current commission lost their jobs for fucking with the police.
The LAPD has gone through similar issues, to the point where the Justice Department prosecuted them under the RICO act and imposed direct federal supervision.
The Chicago Police Department is so corrupt that the only people who even prosecute them are federal authorities. There are documented cases where officers tortured hundreds of suspects over the course of a career and nobody did anything to stop it.
Stop lying.
>>30504239
>Chicago Police Department is so corrupt that the only people who even prosecute them are federal authorities.
I hope they get back to me with my lotto #. I took that fucking exam in April.
>>30504239
>peoples who very job depends on finding something wrong finds something wrong
Stop the presses.
>>30504235
Now its a conspiracy. Wew lad.
>>30504175
>The fact of the matter is the true bad ones (not the media inspired mike brown bullshit) do get punished, and they are very, very rare.
Often by little more than a slap on the wrist for something that would put a nonLEO in jail for decades, at minimum.
>very, very rare
You categorically cannot say that. The data does not exist. See this is a giant part of the problem, we can't even know how many of cops are on the up and up because of the tactics used to shield those who skirt ethical and legal lines. The utter lack of transparency is damning to all and if these good cops wanted to enjoy the confidence of the public, they too would be working and crying for transparency so they could prove that they are good...but there are a ton who are resistant because they know that one day they might need that thin blue line to save their own asses.
>>30504267
>Now its a conspiracy. Wew lad.
Are you seriously going to sit there and claim it doesn't happen that way? You literally just have to do a few moments of searching on googling to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it does exactly go down that way.
>>30504267
Stop talking out of your ass.
The sources are in the public domain, and nobody is going to fall for your shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapp_Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mollen_Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Burge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings
Widespread police corruption is the rule, not the exception in the US.
Police can't police themselves. Nobody can. Just human nature.
>>30504275
>You categorically cannot say that.
Based upon the total number of LEO in this country vs the number of "bad" cops per year point to it being a very low number.
Hell, even "bad warrents", which cop blockers love to bring up, are so small in number that its statistically insignificant.
>>30504315
>5 commissions in the span of ~50 fucking years
>>"Its a rule, not the exception"
This is exactly my point.
>>30504351
Nigger, you want me to keep going, because I can keep going.
Systemic misconduct is common enough in the US that I can keep shoving sources up your ass for a while.
>>30504327
>Based upon the total number of LEO in this country vs the number of "bad" cops per year point to it being a very low number.
You are terrible at logic.
>>30504369
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to quadruple the number of people and incidents.
Over the timeframe and the sample size it is an incrediblely small number.
>>30504365
By all means, i have already looked, and there is not much more.
>>30503280
>Brazil
>Cops
Hahahaha. You realize that there isn't a damn thought among Brazilian cops as far as rights? The so called "police" in that country are no better than the police in northern Mexico.
The government blows as well. Those cops who want to be good have no incentive. They'll go for months without pay.
I'm all for "fuck the police" in the US, but Brazil takes shitty law enforcement to a whole new level.
>>30504394
>Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to quadruple the number of people and incidents.
>Over the timeframe and the sample size it is an incrediblely small number.
There's also an incredibly low number of drug dealers who report themselves for dealing drugs and investment bankers who report themselves for violating securities laws. Guess that means it doesn't happen!
>>30504450
Yet neither group is subject to the public scrutiny that police are.
>>30504327
>Based upon the total number of LEO in this country vs the number of "bad" cops per year point to it being a very low number.
How many "bad cops" per year? Show me a reliable statistic please.
Here's a great statistic, in 2014 the DOJ recorded 408 killings by police officers, nationwide. The actual number was at least 1111, as that's what was recorded via news articles on killedbypolice.net. We all know the Michael Brown death in Ferguson, MO, right? According to the DOJ, there were no officer-involved shootings of any sort in Ferguson, MO, in 2014. Per the USDOJ, there were no police shootings in Florida in 2014 either, as the entire state does not report it's numbers for analysis.
The fact of the matter is, there are no good counts on use of force or police misconduct. Until we get some, the safest assumption is that every cop is a scumbag and to be avoided.
>>30504466
>public scrutiny
>we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong
>>30504466
>implying investment bankers aren't scrutinized to hell and back
Seriously, even the most above board police department couldn't stand up to what they go through -- and it's not just the public who looks over their shoulder, nor just the public and organizations like the SEC, literally everyone is out to get everyone else and is more than happy to throw each other under the bus
But, we'll play your game: what public scrutiny are the police subjected to?
I'm curious, have the number of people killed by police gone up or down? Fuck, that's data that doesn't exist. I'm curious, how many officers in say NYPD or Atlanta PD are currently being disciplined and for what? Oh, yeah, they won't tell us.
>>30504487
>The actual number was at least 1111
So lets say 4000, just to be safe.
Less than half a percent of officers was in a shooting OF ANY KIND, good, bad, etc, and this is assumeing no repeat officers, or same situations being reported as two shootings.
Less than a half of a percent, at 4 times the avaliable data.
This is my point.
>>30504490
>>30504496
Public scrutiny.
You dont hear about every time a crack dealer slings a rock, but you will get in the local newspaper, at the very least, if your a cop and you drop somebody.
>>30504585
Okay, let's say 4,000.
>police account for just under a third of all homicide in the US
>police officers now more dangerous per capita than niggers
>country clubs and home owners associations now discriminate against cops for safety reasons
>>30504609
You imply that homicide is inherently bad, that is your main mistake
>>30504585
And you're missing the biggest point: whatever the number of killings were, what proportion were "good shoots" versus murder.
>get in the paper
See, here's the thing. That drug dealer? You can go to his trial. You can see the evidence both against him and for him. You get to find out what the outcome was. That shit doesn't happen with the cop. Also, you're making the assumption that all police shootings are covered (they're not).
>>30504657
My point is that if even 1000% of the 4x reported number was straight murder, as a segment of the total police population it is statistically irrelevant.
>>30504671
100%*
Fixed
>>30503280
the bigger tragedy here is the vertical video taker was allowed to live
>>30504671
Which is not only wrong it's also ignorant as fuck because it presumes that shootings are the only form of corruption, or even the most damaging.
>>30504692
But it is the most visible, and thus the easiest to draw conclusions from.
>>30504705
You're aware that "easiest" isn't a criterion for truth, right?
>>30504728
if you want, you can aggregate other forms of possible malfeasance, but i assure you that its reported rates are litterally exponentially lower.
>>30504739
>reported rates are litterally exponentially lower.
Which is the problem. You're seriously too stupid to live.
I have somewhat personal knowledge of at least some of the inner behavior of a town of small size police department.
Its completely flabbergasting how ridiculous these 'adults' are/act.
They are the most immature, petty, backstabbing, gossiping, unprofessional people I've ever been privy to.
The level of retardation and unaccountability is truly amazing.
So say you have a guy thats a forklift driver at a warehouse job, he bumps a shelving area by mistake with his forklift and wrecks a couple hundred dollars of stuff. He gets fired. Damn that sucks but its understandable.
In policeworld, policeman is driving the forklift, drunk, while watching porn, and purposely crashes the forklift into the most expensive stuff in the warehouse for fun, causes thousands of dollars of damage...and nothing happens. And then he does this again. And again. And finally on the 4th time of doing this he gets fired. Three months later policeworld in the town over hires him.
>>30504759
Its only a problem if the actual rates are much higher than reported rates.
If you are going against available data, then all we have is FEEELS. Is that your arguement anon?
>>30504109
Holy shit this.
Blaming all LEOs for every shit thing that individual LEOs do from individual agencies is like holding every member of the armed forces accountable for Abu Ghraib.
>>30504768
The available data literally points to widespread corruption and concerted efforts to cover it up, unlike your literal "FEEEEELS" argument that just because corrupt people don't report their own corruption no corruption exists.
>>30504803
EXCEPT THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION: TRANSPARENCY
Literally all that police have to do to prove that the bad apples are the exception and not the rule is stop being entirely opaque in every way imaginable.
>>30504804
>The available data literally points to widespread corruption
Except as i have shown this is statistically COMPLETELY untrue. Even with the highest rate of possible malfeasance, with every instance being counted AS a negitive, multiplied by a factor of 4, its STILL a sub percentage of the total group
Now you are ignoreing logic based arguements and resorting to feel based arguements.
>>30504832
>Except as i have shown this is statistically COMPLETELY untrue. Even with the highest rate of possible malfeasance, with every instance being counted AS a negitive, multiplied by a factor of 4, its STILL a sub percentage of the total group
>Now you are ignoreing logic based arguements and resorting to feel based arguements.
You literally haven't shown anything.
>>30504851
So you are now completely ignoreing fact based arguements?
Are you an anti gunner perchance? Because other than copblockers, they are the only other group that displays such cognitive dissodence.
Unless you have anything substantial to add to the convo, other than "NUH UH YOUR FACTS HAVE NOW POWER AGAINST MY FEEEEEELS", consider this your last (You)
>>30504870
>implying your "argument" is fact based
>>30503280
Do Brazilian cops not have radios to call in back-up?
Also; nice video, Paco
> filming ants from a mile away
> miss the money shot
>>30504817
>the rule is stop being entirely opaque in every way imaginable
i.e. give us all the open investigation files; undercover too
what could go wrong?
>>30504760
This. It's a revolving door of stupid.
>>30504916
Yes, let's ignorantly run all the way to the other extreme. It's not like there's a middle ground, you know like akin to what happens in criminal cases, that would serve as a good model for how to handle such.
>>30503280
How is this /k/ related?
>>30503922
No reason why every cop in the country (in the U.S. at least) shouldn't have a body cam.
Not only do these prevent abuse by police, the make conviction of dumbass criminals all the easier (and fun to watch).
>>30504585
>>The actual number was at least 1111
>So lets say 4000, just to be safe.
>Less than half a percent of officers was in a shooting OF ANY KIND, good, bad, etc, and this is assumeing no repeat officers, or same situations being reported as two shootings.
>Less than a half of a percent, at 4 times the avaliable data.
>This is my point.
Not shootings, that's 1111 confirmed deaths by police action. The source is non-editorial, just a list of kills.
The DOJ (from jurisdictions performing self-reporting, only about 5% of which fully comply,) reported 4912 shootings by law enforcement, in 2014. Again, that's 4912 shootings from the 5% of forces that self-report. Assuming that the statistical sample is a fair amount (it's probably not, since we know some of those non-reporting departments are really trigger happy, like Chicago,) that's just shy of 100k shootings by cops. Since I'm using 2014 shooting data, let's use 2014 employment data. In the US, there were 697,200 law enforcement officers who were not in the Federal world (ATF/DEA/FBI, all of the other alphabet agencies.) Adding in Federal law enforcement and the "in between" ones, such as cops on indian reservations, total count of cops is 972,600 (thereabouts.) So, in the end, 1 in 10 cops was involved in a shooting.
And even with those nerfed numbers, the odds of punishment are extremely slim. Baylor did a study where it was able to locate 664 police shootings that ended with a dead citizen and the officer arrested, from 2005-2011 (so, about 110 a year.) Of those, only 33% were found guilty, and of that 33%, only 12% were given any jail time at all (27 out of 664, or about 4% overall.) Compared with the usual numbers, where the average citizen has a 71% conviction rate and a 48% incarceration rate.
The numbers are fucking awful, but without better numbers, we can't even determine what the root of the problem is.
>>30504109
I know a guy from back in my school days who became a cop and had his fellow cops called on him _dozens_ of times for drunk driving and drunk & disorderly and never suffered any consequences.
It wasn’t until he discharged his off-duty concealed handgun in a bar during a drunken argument, (that HE started) that the city police dept. finally canned his ass.
He immediately got hired by the county sheriffs dept. as a parol officer…
>>30504609
2015, BYU did the numbers as to who is most likely to kill a person. #1 most dangerous group? Spouses, domestic partners, and other co-habitating relations at 78% #2? Cops at 9% #3, Roommates and other non-relation co-habitants who were not spouses or domestic partners at 4%. Actual career criminals (who were not spouses or domestic partners,) was #7 at 1.1%
So, at least in Utah, you're 8 times as likely to get killed by a cop as by a criminal.
>>30504984
>dat pic
It could be because cops don't want to do skeevy shit on camera. It could also be because dindus learned that you can't make baseless claims because everything is being recorded.
>>30504984
Cop here
>dat image
Its because they stopped doing their jobs in protest. Where an intervention should be taken they won't do it, which pisses the public off even more because crime isn't actually being dealt with.
I actually like body cams, they protect us when someone tries to claim we did something we didn't, and overall are beneficial for officer safety because someone's less likely to assault us when they know it's on camera. A lot of guys bitch about them though, something about privacy. I understand I guess, but we're already made to assume there are cameras everywhere at all times.
>>30505203
Use of force is definitely the former as for
>It could also be because dindus learned that you can't make baseless claims
You can't be making this claim seriously.
>>30505233
I'd guess it's 50/50 honestly.
When it's he said she said there is some logic to filing frivolous claims.
>>30505203
Both. My department got cams in 2014, and our numbers (in both directions) dropped by about 50%, and a lot of folks who are arrested say that the camera kept them "on better behavior."
They've also helped at least six officers defend themselves against false accusations, and also put a patrol sergeant behind bars for 3 months after he threw a punch against a cuffed suspect.
As a deputy, I want more transparency. I *WANT* to be able to prove that cops are good people, and I'm glad I'm part of a department that actually believes in transparency.
>>30504916
Nigga you are the dumbest motherfucker I've ever seen
>>30505256
Good thing you don't work in New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago.
>>30505151
The first category could encompass criminals killing their spouses
>>30505256
>As a deputy, I want more transparency. I *WANT* to be able to prove that cops are good people, and I'm glad I'm part of a department that actually believes in transparency.
You I like and respect. We need more of you. What kills me the most is that I know that there are good cops who are fully against things like body cams and I'm like, dude, don't you realize that covers YOUR ass too?
>>30503280
Whats this got to do with marxism?
>>30503280
Dead pig is a good pig
>>30505289
It was about relationships of killers to victims. So, cop kills his wife, ends up in bucket 1, not bucket 2. Lifelong crack dealer kills his wife, same thing, bucket 1, not bucket 7.
>>30505296
I appreciate that. A bunch of deputies actually resigned when we implemented our cameras. Most of them went one county over to a shit-tier department where the answer to "increase in complaints against named deputies" was to take the nametag off the working uniform, and no longer issue badge numbers.
Glad they're gone, but I feel bad for the folks of that county.
>>30505272
why
>>30505557
He's implying (correctly) that those departments have shit tier leadership and absolutely no transparency. I'd throw Oakland/San Francisco, Miami, Charlotte-Mecklenberg, Philly, DC, Atlanta, NO, Las Vegas, and Dallas on there too.
>>30505601
thanks for the clarification
>>30505601
Are there any big city departments in the US that do?
If there were to be one, I'd guess San Francisco because of all the hippies, but then again, that's Dianne Feinstein's backyard.
>>30505662
San Fran is a shithole. About the only part of that city that isn't hippies and yuppies is the PD, and they went fully the other way (they're about half a step from being disbanded and falling under DOJ control.)
Big cities that are pretty good? Minneapolis (which is why they keep getting sued, over and over, because while they're honest, they're also stupid.) Pittsburgh, Seattle, Portland (OR,) Denver is hit and miss, but they usually fess up to their fuckups. The police forces as a whole in the greater Albany area (NY,) are pretty good, so long as you avoid the assholes in Troy.
Most smaller departments tend to be good, if for no other reason that they don't have an opportunity to be bad.
>>30505728
>Pittsburgh
Didn't they get taken over by the DOJ for repeated illegal searches?
>>30505762
Back in the late 90's, yeah. 3 years ago their chief got busted skimming from the union too (but he was turned in by his own officers once they found what was going on.) They're one of the few "good guy" departments in big cities at this point.
>>30505213
>something about privacy
Government officials have no expectation of privacy while carrying out the business of the state.
>>30504984
Problem with cams is privacy. Not just suspects, but anyone who happens to be in the background.
>>30506794
PROTIP: It is a really, really bad idea to follow a cop around all day, then tell them that when they ask you what you're doing.
>>30506802
Oh sure it is, but that doesn't make it untrue. I work in government, but not as a LEO, we have the same thing. My emails, my work hard drive, my files are all public knowledge, even my pay stubbs are subject to FOIA requests. If someone wants to film me working, they have a right to. It's kind of annoying and puts you on edge, but for the sake of transparency it's just something civil servants have to live with. I'd rather have more open and transparent government than I'd rather be able to tell people to fuck off with their shitty camcorder.
>>30503753
>I like how there is a reverse Blackstone formulation at work in the minds of those who blindly defend the actions of police and buy into the bogus 'war on cops'. That is to say, they believe that it's better that a hundred innocent men be killed by police paranoia/incompetence/malice than a single cop be harmed.
agreed totally. the thing i don't get is like, it's not like anybody forced a cop to be a cop. i mean, fuck, if you take that line of work, it shouldn't be a surprise if you get killed. if i weren't okay with the fact i might die being crushed by a heavy beam being burned alive, i wouldn't become a firefighter. the idea that people should gladly give up their rights and freedoms in the name of "protecting our boys in blue" is moronic. i mean fuck, cops are civilians just like the rest of us. if they want to take up a job that puts them in harms way, they don't get to be such pussies about it. you don't people working on oil rigs or deep sea diving whining as much as our pussy cops do
>>30504175
>The fact of the matter is the true bad ones (not the media inspired mike brown bullshit) do get punished, and they are very, very rare.
hahahaha are you a child
>>30503280
That cop is a hero and that's what being a hero gets you.
Seriously though, for real though, cops should not be made to work alone.
