Is there any proof that the legalization of fully automatic weaponry to be purchased by the general populace would increase gun deaths or gun violence?
>>30489814
They were legal up until 1986. they were used by a lot of gangs but they were mostly smg's like mac-10s. so no not really
No. Guns are a red herring in crime statistics.
>>30490928
Why don't gangs just send one of their members to a cnc machining class at the local community college so they can learn how to build their own guns?
![gangster-tommy[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/62g2gIE.jpg "gangster-tommy[1].jpg")
>>30489814
Yes. See the 1930's.
Laws are laws for a reason.
>>30490928
legal, registered full autos havent been used in crimes for a long long time.
anything full auto used by gangs was either stolen or a hack job on an open bolt.
>>30490955
Because that gang member would realize he could get a real job and have no need for the gang any longer.
Of course, that's assuming they can find someone smart enough. It's probably difficult to find someone in the gang that can count above 10 to begin with.
>>30489814
Yeah gun laws are always gunna be retarded. If gun people give noguns an inch on the issue they ban dumb shit like bayonet studs and "muzzle shrouds". If you let them gather data on gun crime theyll twist it around in some nonsensical way to just ban guns all together. So basically we have to fight for there to be NO laws on guns because if we let them make so much as one tiny little law they make some autistic dog turd of a law.
>>30490959
yeah, and shit like the st valentines day massacre wouldnt have happened and gangs/mafia wouldnt have been as powerful and well equipped if it wasnt for prohibition, which didnt work with liquor or drugs and wont work with anything else
>>30490993
It sure would have been less bloody without tommy guns everywhere.
>>30490959
>implying automatic fire is deadlier than aimed single shots
>>30491035
It kind of is though. See: WW1
>>30490993
>>30491005
Funny that schools teach you that. Old time gansters had a code of honor when it came to civvy population. There was a story about how one guy popped some shopkeepers little girl in the crossfire and the mob ended up whacking him for fucking up.
now bonnie n clyde, n those other rampaging bankrobbers were a different story. But it was nothing like joolywood wants you to believe, with cars full of shitcago typewriters cruising thru the 'burbs blasting anything and anyone they saw.
>>30491005
not really, there just would have been less 45s and more 38 special and 12ga
or less bullets and more knives
or less knives and more ropes and shovels.
again, prohibition has never and will never work for its stated intent, and only ever increases crime.
the only thing you get when you trade freedom for prohibition is fear
>>30491073
dont lump me in with the pro gun control guy.
my point was that prohibition doesnt work.
>>30491083
It is only rational and right that a society does whatever is necessary for its own self preservation.
If you disagree with the rules in place for yours and everyone elses' benefit, you should leave the society and stop using the advantages it provides.
>>30491062
I wasn't aware we were worried about murderers setting up entrenched positions and laying down suppressive fire.
>>30491134
t. Filthy statist
>>30489814
It would most likely make shootings less deadly. People that do shootings are the type to train in tactics for years and years, basically they don't know wtf they're doing. That's why ISIS kills so many more than them and currently has all the high scores (Orlando, Paris, etc which I don't consider shootings but rather terrorist attacks)
Anyway they would just magdump with little recoil control and run out of ammo in 3-4 seconds. That's far less effective than putting one shot on target with each pull, even as simple as that is many mass shooters are incapable of it and spray all over the place. With full auto they'll run out of ammo sooner with less rounds on target, and be more likely to jam their gun (higher mechanical stress during full auto fire causes more malfunctions)
>>30489814
theres no evidence that any sort of firearm has any affect on overall violent crime rates.
>>30491161
The state is what guarantees your life and security as well as providing the luxurious amenities of living in a modern society you take for granted.
Grow up you selfish child.
>>30490972
You ever read Freakonomics, anon? There's a section in there where the author talks to a low-to-mid level Gangster Disciple with a business degree that's super interesting.
No, but you can bet that ZOG will pull an Adam Lanza have some SSRI'd teen buy one right after the laws are enacted and mow down a shopping mall
>>30491161
It's funny how they've suddenly swarmed into /k/ just as a major piece of gun control legislation has passed, isn't it?
>>30490928
What? The only time I've heard of some gang using a machine gun to commit a crime after prohibition was The Order killing Alan Berg with a MAC-10.
>>30491174
>The state is what guarantees your life and security as well as providing the luxurious amenities of living in a modern society you take for granted.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?_r=0
i also didnt realize the state paid my bills and bought my personal luxuries
>>30491035
This is going over your head a little I think, the danger is that full auto's are difficult to control, and stray bullets go fucking everywhere, hitting grandmas, children, hospitals, flowers and all that other bullshit.
Tyrone could walk into a store and buy a glock-18 and literally kill himself and 6 others before he arrived home.
>>30491271
Assuming the idiot didn't blow his own head off in a stellar display of natural selection, he'd be fucked over for manslaughter and provide an example of what not to do. Seems good to me.
>>30491271
19 rounds is 19 rounds, my friend. niggers dont control guns as it is. aimed semi-auto fire is by far the most efficient at killing things.
>>30491134
>Muh social contract
Friendly reminder that Hobbes write this drivel at a time when the state could murder people for leaving its boundaries.
>>30491360
>implying that's a bad thing
An organism has the right to do whatever is necessary for its own self-preservation. Traitors should be shot since those who leave could go out and form a dangerous organization that could attack the state from the outside.
Degenerate liberalism is destroying society.
>>30491400
I'd gladly shoot you.
>>30491425
Seconding.
>>30491248
Maybe he's referring to the Fire Department, whom you pay a fee or else they will refuse to extinguish your house and let it all burn.
>>30490982
This
Gungrabz don't want 'the middle ground', they want no guns whatsoever in the hands of the populace. They're entirely unreasonable.
Even if you think a gun law is a good idea you need to fight all gun laws because you need to make them think that actually reasonable laws are the absolute best they can get.
>>30491443
fire departments would exist without the state.
>>30491474
And if you don't believe me you can move to Bongland and save a life by binning that knife.
>>30490928
Did it hurt when you ripped that from your ass? FA is still legal and legal FA guns were used in crimes practically never
>>30491498
i wonder how many people can sincerely say they've been helped by getting an "all i need bag"
>>30491553
Clap here, no idea what that is.
Does it contain love?
>>30491527
Wasn't one of the two actual convicted murders ever with an FA weapon a SWAT officer who killed his ex?
>>30491498
Hey look! Free knife box!
>>30491443
What? The only firefighter who's paid at all in my town is the fire chief. Literally the entire rest of the force is volunteer.
That said, like >>30491488 said, they could very easily exist without a state, or without state help.
>>30491174
And the state gets its money from?..
>>30491400
t. a coward
Not everyone is as afraid to go against the state as you. The laws of the US aren't immutable, laws have been created and stricken down since the US became a country
>>30491005
>It sure would have been less bloody without tommy guns everywhere.
Wrong. It would have been more bloody. Full auto means bullets that could kill more living beings were wasted on dead corpses. You stupid mong.
>>30491005
>>30493585
You idiots realized they lined people up against the wall and shot them right? They didn't shoot up a fucking store or anything. What type of gun it was would have made absolutely zero difference because they were fucking executed.
What the fuck do they even teach in school anymore?
>>30493632
Excuse me, did they or did they not use more bullets than necessary by using full auto? Did they or did they not waste ammo that could have been used to kill more piece of shit gangsters because they used full auto?
>>30493719
Everyone they lined up to kill was dead, what the fuck kind of autistic point are you making?
>>30491400
Capitulation to outright breaches in your natural rights are what destroys societies, creates an atmosphere of fear and hate. To promote the piece-by-piece disassembly of a citizen's rights to defend himself from threats to life or property and their last recourse to the preservation of a free states garners a society in which entire political ideologies or religions or anything that's "different" from the norm is shut out, and dismantled by imprisoning its members.
People who just watch and let it happen or worse, encourage that slow stranglehold on your rights by the Government, are the real traitors.
>>30493719
What the fuck point are you even trying to make?
They would've been killed if all they had were surplus rifles, zip guns, or even just old pistols. THEY WERE LINED UP AND EXECUTED, the end result is the same REGARDLESS of what they used.
>>30493743
>>30493776
And they would have used less ammo if it weren't full auto.
Thus, full auto is less efficient for the same result, you fucking retards.
Enjoy summer vacation.
>>30493794
>This incredibly autistic point was what I meant all along!
Way to move the goalposts, faggot.
>>30493794
And that's supposedly your reasoning for FA being banned?
>>30493818
>I don't know what "moving the goalposts" means
I can't wait for summer to end. You couldn't understand the basic point being made, but perhaps your teacher can tell you.
>>30493833
When the fuck did I ever posit a reason for it being banned? It's banned because democrats are pussy faggots who take hollywood movies for face value.
>>30493837
You were implying that if they used semi auto weapons they'd have more ammo to go out and kill more gangsters as if they were on a spree. When faced with the fact that they were executed instead of gunned down in the street, you went full damage control Now you're saying they were wasting bullets on corpses and being inefficient. That's moving the goalposts. Not everything is summer when you're wrong, faggot.
>>30493905
>ammo to go out and kill more gangsters as if they were on a spree.
I never said shit about a spree, you raging sperg artist. Go fuck yourself.
>>30493943
>Full auto means bullets that could kill more living beings were wasted on dead corpses.
Yeah sure you never said that. Just leave, you're the only one raging here
>>30493963
When you go back to school, you'll learn to stop taking shit out of context. Only 2 more months for you!
>>30493982
I'll go back to school when you go so you can learn to choose your words so you don't make an ass out of yourself. What you meant and what you said and could be easily implied are two different fucking things. And since you obviously don't know what out of context means, I'm going to say that the rest of that post didn't confirm what you're claiming either. Just leave, really you're embarrassing yourself
>>30493982
>I have no further argument: The Post
>>30494007
>be anon on /k/
>misinterpret guy's argument
>get told
>get mad
Try not to trip when you're getting on the shortbus
>>30494028
>Go on /k/
>Lose an argument because of my poor word choice
>"T-t-his was what I meant all along!"
>Hah! I told him, I so won that argument! YES
>>30494058
>couldn't understand basic argument
>still going full damage control
Top kek. Admit you misunderstood and are too fucking prideful to accept losing an argument on a mongolian claymation board. Or don't, and look forward to special ed in September. Do what you want.
>>30494099
You can stop projecting now
>>30494111
I have to go see a movie now, but here's some reading you can do while I'm gone to learn more about yourself:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_mechanism
Out of consideration for you, it's the "Simple English" article.
>>30491174
Where do these fucking statists come from? /k/ has always had its fair share of wacko socialist wannabes, but fuck me running.
>>30491083
I think with regards to organized crime fully auto guns played an important part in the gangsters' ability to run shit and fight with the police.
consider drive-bys with a tummy gun you can mow down a group of rivals and speed away without them being able to return fire, even if you miss or they have bodyguards because they can't anticipate where your bullets are going. Additionally, in real shootouts it gives gangsters the advantage of suppressive fire while they regroup or flee. Now-a-days you can argue that with the advances in technology and law enforcement structure that being a notorious gangster who does street battle with police doesn't really work anymore, which is fair, but I think that in the single area of organized opposition to authority (with firepower), full auto weapons add a new dimension of tactics and abilities that are not present with semis. I'd also argue that in, say, a case like orlando he would have done more damage with a full auto gun because of the "fish in a barrel" nature of the situation, where spray-and-pray and fast reloading would have meant more kills than targetted shooting, considering in certain scenarios (take the bathroom for instance), he was effectively spraying and praying with his glock.
I'm not necessarily pro-banning FA though, despite all I've said.
>>30495184
>where spray-and-pray and fast reloading would have meant more kills than targetted shooting
Oh, so he can switch targets over 700 times per second?
>b-but muh double tap!
Ok, so 300 times per second?
Other than that, there are times when full auto is more effective, but then the question remains: why should civilians be denied a more effective means to address the need to suppress an armed enemy?
>>30489814
>is there any proof that a Nanny State laws actually prevent harm to its subjects *cough cough erm* i mean citizens?
There is absolutely no proof and often there appears to be more people harmed after the state tries to make its subjects follow its neurotic rules at gunpoint.
When you point that out to a statist they resort to slippery slope fallacies, hand flappies, and calling for any remaining rights citizens have to be traded for "safety."
>>30490959
are those shock diamonds???
>>30491147
Oh yeah. It sucks when they do that. And if you think drive bys are bad, wait until they do it with CAS.
>>30491174
All of which I pay the state to do with my tax money, you arrogant self-serving twat.
>>30491005
>no it wasnt due to the event that caused it
>it was due to the tools available at hand
youre a fucking retard and as part of what is wrong with the world you should kys
>>30491553
>empty it out
>use nail clippers to cut eye holes
>put over head
>rob liquor store
Brass in pocket, things are looking up already.
>>30489814
Lemme ask you this
Would you want to rob a place if you know people have automatic guns and can easily light your ass up?
Of fucking course not, if you're going to rob someone, you do it safely, cuz otherwise you have to risk going to the hospital because you got hurt/getting caught/dying, and that means you won't benefit from what you stole
Mind, the fully auto part is more a scare tactic than anything else
>>30495184
I bet you think full auto turns a firearm into a hose.
>>30496738
I don't think the danger is criminals when every crazy person has access to automatic weapons.
The crazy people my friend, they are are the danger. And they'd be a good deal many times more dangerous.
>>30494177
Look around the internet, see if anything broke recently. Remember how it was when Reddit went on strike for a few days? This is kind of like that.
I wonder if Brexit and Moonbeam signing the bills made some kind of planetary conjunction that flushed out all of the dingbats. They'll flap and squawk and meme all over everything for a while, then they'll migrate elsewhere.
A few will stay, they always do. We can give them a good clubbing when we catch them lurking at a meetup.
>>30494169
You're hilarious, guy. Hope some psycho shoots up your theater.
>>30496755
>every crazy person has access
What are background checks?
Also, mental healthcare in this country is appalling.
>>30491498
>Bible
>(optional)
Goddamned heathens!
>>30496817
You sound like a swell guy with no mental illnesses or anger issues whatsoever.
>>30489814
No but feelings say they will
>>30491073
The fucking AB have a "code of honor"
It's not just old, you fucking trilby enthusiast.
