Are lever action rifles worth owning at all?
I was thinking of picking one up for my next rifle but they often seem far more expensive than they need to be, especially Henry brand lever guns.
Are they a meme or are they fun to have?
>>30487641
>2016
>Not exterminating the last of the prairie niggers with the glorious .45-70govt cartridge.
>>30487641
Marlin rifles are the next best thing to Henry.
Wal-mart has a 45/70 marlin lever action for 525dollars.
>>30487641
It was good enough for django unchained it's good enough for me
>>30487641
Henrys and Rossis are only bought be the desperate poor, too supid to buy something better for the same price, or save any money up.
You want something better for the same price? Buy a used Marlin. 336s can be had for as low as 350$ in good condition. They are at most gun shows. The pistol caliber 1894s can command up to 800 from the stupid, but can be had at a more reasonable 500-600 without looking too hard.
If you save up the money, get a Winchester, Uberti, Cimmaroon, or Browning.
>>30487641
>Are lever action rifles worth owning at all?
Do you enjoy fun things that work?
>>30487853
>same price
>39a
Nope.
>>30487641
Lever action rifles are fun, they're easy to use, and they tend to pass all the liberal shit law tests if you happen to live in a bad state.
Plus they're cool.
OP again, I guess researching my calibers would help. Something with less drop than my AK I guess. Would .30-30 suffice?
Also, would owning an AK and a lever gun make me a total hipster?
>>30488034
Caring what other people think about your choices makes you hipster.
30-30 and 7.62x39 are more or less identical in ballistics.
>>30487889
Sometimes the quality shines through, and people charge more for it friend.
>>30488034
.30-30 is really similar to 7.62x39 actually.
>>30488084
>Sometimes the quality shines through, and people charge more for it friend.
That's why the 10/22 is an awful turd that everyone hates for being low quality.
>>30487807
don't get a new marlin, and stay away from the 1894 model unless you want to Google "Marlin jam" after 500 rounds.
Ive been really wanting a lever gun lately simply because they have a cool ass aesthetic to me I like old styled things, and I dont care what anyone else thinks about that choice and you shouldn't either. If you like them get one
![41026-media[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fCwy242.jpg "41026-media[1].jpg")
>not owning a tacticool lever action guniroo
>>30488096
>implying the stock 10/22 is worth a damn
>>30488147
The ejector isn't.
Everything else is fine.
>>30488159
>shit cheap wood dyed to give the appearance of hardwood
>plastic everywhere
>generally meh construction
Yeah, no.
>>30488089
>>30488084
Really? the .30-30 looks like it's got a lot more grainage goin on.
What can I get that's got less drop?
>>30488171
I've had none of these with mine.
Maybe this is a newer model problem.
>>30487641
My Henry is a tack driver and it's fun to shoot. Yeah it was expensive, but it looks good, the action is butter, and it's extremely accurate.
>>30488089
Even without a spitzer bullet?
>>30487753
>prairie nigger
Greetings fellow dakotan
>>30488196
.30-30 needs to be non spitzer to be loaded into most leverguns.
>>30488194
I've heard nothing but positives from people with a Henry.
The people shitting on them tend to be, "It's not a marlin and you didn't pay a marlin price tag."
>>30488145
That thing is a sin.
the most fun gun I've shot. get a henry big boy, a pack of lucky strikes, some cowboy boots and a stetson and prepare to feel like a kid again at the range. be weary tho, you will be shooting thru a lot of dollars.
>>30488084
>>30488089
>people still spout this fuddlore
>>30488213
Thought it would cause problems with the tube magazines tbqf
>>30488231
Educate us. Not even joking. I am genuinely curious.
>>30488205
>Actually learned that one from an ex with a Cherokee great gran gran and a sick sense of humor
>>30487753
>Not demolishing prairie niggers with real Fucking NATO or glorious 7.62X54R.
45-70 remains are fun though.
>>30488175
>What can I get that's got less drop?
.357 shoots flatter. Honestly bullet drop is only a problem if you can't account for it. My. 45-70 has a trajectory like a rainbow but it's very repeatable and thus I can rain caddilac parts on groundhogs, deer or deerigrants with savage accuracy.
>>30488245
Someone isn't a traditionalist.
>>30488248
>deerigrants
I'm dumb.
Explain this one.
>>30488145
Please don't show this to Californians.
>>30488223
>modern marlin
Every new Marlin I've seen has had both sights canted in opposite directions, and terrible furniture fit.
Apparently the front sight cant was an issue Marlin was having where the entire barrel was canted and they have since fixed it but personally It will take me years to trust a company that gets something that wrong.
Go into a gun store and ask to see a new production Henry and a new production Marlin and you'll know very quickly which is the higher quality gun.
>>30488261
>I'm dumb.
>Explain this one.
There's no season but that's not a problem if you don't get caught. They're more destructive than wild hogs since hogs don't drive uninsured, vote or collect social benefits.
>>30488257
Used to go with a friend who used a black powder rifle when he got bored. Don't think it can get much more traditional than that.
>>30488248
.357 sounds cheaper too.
Something tough too, none of that shiny brass cuz it's gonna get beat up anyway.
Sounds like Winchester/Henry are my brands
>>30488278
Holy shit I have actually seen pictures of these too.
Someone sent it back.
And it came back scratched and beat to hell.
And it was worse.
He sent it back and told them to fix it again, he thought it was a joke.
He got it back again and it was in worse shape and the barrel was warped.
That story alone and the fact that you can corroborate it is scary as fuck.
>>30488241
With different bullet and powder weights they have similar drops at the same distances. Thats about the extent of their similarities. They dont perform the same in their internal or terminal ballistics
>>30488278
I believe it's because Marlin's plants got bought out and they don't have the tooling set up right or something, that's what I heard.
>>30488301
>With different bullet and powder weights they have similar drops at the same distances.
Similar external ballistics.
Gotcha.
>They don't perform the same in their internal or terminal ballistics
Nor would I expect them to.
Of course we'd have to step down the rocky awful road of terminal ballistics and that can go very ugly quick.
Is there any way for me to get one of these things and spend less than I did on my AK
why are any of them 1000$<
>>30488292
I would assume most .357 guns can take .39 SP as well.
I like pimped out guns
>>30488329
>39
what the hell no. .38 special
>>30488323
Get a used winchester 1894. I got mine for $185 like 6 or 7 years ago.
>>30487641
>Are lever action rifles worth owning at all?
For fun I guess? Or just to have an example of that type of action in the collection?
>>30488084
>30-30 and 7.62x39 are more or less identical in ballistics.
In the ballpark, but no.
>>30488342
>Get a used winchester 1894. I got mine for $185
That seems like some kind of theft.
>>30488322
Potentially similar external ballistics, depending on your choice of bullet weights for each calibers. A 150g 30-30 wont nevessarily drop the same as a 154g 7.62x39 for example. But i agree. Theres a reason i dont attempt to learn about terminal ballistics on /k/, or ballistics in general desu famalam
>>30488096
>10/22
>quality
Sure, my 10/22 sure as hell didn't come from the factory with a bolt that needs a hammer to remove it, and it also sure as hell didn't come from the factory with a bent recoil spring rod.
No sir-ee bob.
Henry is worth the money. It's hard to describe, but the action on them is just incredibly smooth like a hand-fitted 1911. They're heirloom-quality guns.
I own the Golden Boy, which isn't expensive at all. Sure, it's twice as much as a 10/22, but I can shoot those powderless Aguila Colibris in my backyard all day without earpro. Also, fuck Ruger.
>>30488393
Bought it from a gun store. It's well used.
>>30488305
Yea back when Cerberus Group bought out Remington and Bushmaster among others they closed the factories and fired many of the experienced workers and then set up manufacturing at the Remington Plant.
>>30488295
Don't just take my word for it go out and and see for yourself in gunstores.
Yea a lot of those QC failure collages you see on /k/ are cherry picking to the max but their are a lot of brands out there cutting a lot of corners and just riding on name brand prestige.
>>30488397
Terminal ballistics lend themselves to a lot of fanboys of their preferred platform denouncing all cartridges but their own as anemic.
Average intermediate and above rifle cartridge is a man killer and does so pretty well.
Though I have to admit it's interesting to see from a curiosity standpoint. Gelatin isn't an effective demonstration of real flesh, but, it gives you some sort of baseline comparison between rounds.
In my opinion, more baseline comparisons of weaker rounds should be done for context. Like 22LR.
>>30488443
>Cerberus Group bought out Remington and Bushmaster among others they closed the factories and fired many of the experienced workers and then set up manufacturing at the Remington Plant.
This is almost comical levels of fuck up. Seriously. Just what were they thinking?
So what's a good .357 lever gun?
>>30488518
The Marlin QC drop happened before they were bought by Cerebus.
They were already struggling financially and they could not afford to replace tooling anymore. They started cutting corners to get more product to the market in the hopes of raising more money. When they were bought out many of the older more experieinced workers used that as an oppurtunity to take their pension and retire.
So I have a 94' in 32. Win. Special.
I inherited it from my uncle that died a few weeks back and I have no knowledge of how much this is worth.
Pic with my bolt action 410. and my 22.
>>30487641
They're really fun. Most people go for the rifle calibers, but I prefer the pistol caliber ones. That way you can use the same .357 Mag or .38 Spc ammo in the rifle that you would in a revolver.
>>30488223
My grandpa had a Henry, and it was always my favorite rifle of his. I gotta admit there was a nostalgia factor in me buying a Henry, but after handling a few different brands at different shops, I decided paying a little more for the Henry would be worth it.
It's honestly perfect for me. Can plink targets all day long with .38 and take it deer hunting with .357mag.
>>30487641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fMN8a3ZRUY
Video related; they're gaining popularity in Commiefornia as self-defense rifles in the absence of anything fucking magazine-fed.
>>30487641
I was wondering the same thing. Literally 200 year old technology for twice the price as newer, more viable rifles.
>>30488801
I got a cheap .22 henry years ago.
Sights suck but can be corrected.
Barring that, great gun, love it more than my 10/22
>>30488653
Any idea how old it is? I have a 94 in 30-30 that was built in 1949, beautiful rifle. They can be pretty valuable
>>30488273
Heh. HEH.
>>30488827
Seriously, please don't.
>>30488653
dont worry how much it is worth, its an heirloom not a check. Also if it was made befoe 1964 it is worth some money.
>>30488273
>shoulder thingy that goes up
>baby killing black
>flash suppressor for silently murdering people in crowded areas
Just viewing that picture is a misdemeanor in CA
>>30488825
1958. I'm going to do some research right now actually,
>>30488854
I don't plan to sell it honestly. I just want to know if I should be taking extra precautions to make sure it doesn't get ruined.
>>30488943
>>30488827
>>30488145
They're going to come for lever action repeating rifles next, and they're going to use examples like this to justify it.
I'm not joking.
>>30488821
People buy $5k 1911s fwiw. Most people own plenty of modern rifles already. No one is suggesting you use a lever gun for home defense in the current year.
I don't know why, but when you go from a 5 inch barrel to a 16 inch barrel, the velocity gain with .357 magnum is huge, sometimes it's in the realm of 600 fps
>tfw 125gr going at 2100 fps at the muzzle
>>30489018
Magnum cartridges have way too much powder for a full burn out of a revolver.
>>30488960
If you're not joking then you're just dumb.
>>30489050
i guess the cylinder gap doesn't help either
but still, even with 10mm the difference isn't that big
>>30489018
That's some serious oomph.
>>30489061
You are seriously underestimating the insanity of Californians.
>>30488238
Sure, 100 years ago with soft primers. Even then it was a matter or things falling into place. Most lever gun cartridges Max out around 300 yards and nobody is fighting chechens with em so who needs fmj anyway. Between rims, case taper and modern primers you could load spitzers if you wanted and be gtg unless you dropped it from a tree while the meplat was directly on the primer, in which case you would lose a few rounds of ammmo and maybe a may tube since it can't build pressure
>>30488231
>fuddlore
Except the part where it's holds true enough in practical terms with people that can contain their autism.
Sure there isn't steel core 30-30 sitting around and 7.62x39 can send a 190gr bullet to 2100fps but the average hunting loads for either drop and kill about the same. Eat shit
Well anon to answer your question, yes they are.
I own a few.
They're fun and a rimfire one might be the best gun I can think of to introduce someone to firearms as they're not intimidating, they're involved, and encourage good fundamental shooting practices.
Other than that they rarely malfunction. It's not impossible to see them mess up but it's kind of rare. If you're into reloading then they're a great tinkerer's gun because most rounds that leverguns are chambered for are super versatile depending on the loads.
Leverguns also have the great advantage of letting you carry a revolver chambered in the same round as your long gun. They're usually light and handy too.
>>30488248
>.357 shoots flatter.
Than 30-30? Are you high? Its cheaper but slower shorter bullets aren't gonna perform any magic
>>30488223
>didn't pay a Marlin price tag
I think they're confused about how elitism works, you're not supposed to talk down to people who payed more like they're peasants.
Every show or store I go to has centerfire Henry rifles priced like a hundred above comparable Marlins.
>>30488242
Was she qt?
>>30488305
Depends what he means by new marlins.by the time cerberous got a hold on Marlin in 2007 the machines were already worn the fuck out then cerb tried making guns on worn machines with a crew that didn't know wtf they we're doing, thus compounding the issue. Post 2013 is new tooling and a better staff BUT it's still cerb so who fucking knows. But as the other guy said, cherry picking is real so always check guns out irl first
They're extremely fun.
But they're an absolute bitch to get one nowadays.
Pretty much the only company that still produces new lever actions that are somewhat decent are Henry.
If you want a really good rifle, look for a pre-1964 Winchester or pre-2004 Marlin. They cost quite a bit more but are WELL worth it.
>>30489068
You seriously have no idea how many attempted California gun laws have been thrown out in court.
>>30489179
It's a poor argument to bring up ridiculously top tier price to the cheapest lever actions. Home defense is not even brought up, it's about how long the tech has been around and how long the guns have been available and for what price.
>>30489212
>they won't be successful, so therefore they won't try
>as proof of this, look at how many times they have tried!
>>30489286
You made an argument without a shred of evidence to support it. Get over it faggot.
>>30489298
You've made an obviously moronic argument. Laws getting thrown out in the courts does not negate the fact that between passing and being thrown out, those laws violate people's rights.
>>30489112
Yeah. Also liked guns and was great in the sack. Unfortunately it just didn't work out.
>>30489317
Cite a single fucking piece of evidence that concretely indicates there will be a ban or attempted ban on lever action rifles.
Spoiler: You can't.
>>30489333
Use your fucking head. First they effectively banned automatics. Now they are coming after semi-autos. Do you really think they will stop there? You are terminally stupid if you think they will be satisfied until even muskets are banned.
>>30489360
Still waiting on that evidence you dirty syphilitic cunt.
Fun fact: attempted handgun bans in CA were tossed out by the courts about a decade ago.
>>30489375
What, you want me to build a time machine and use to get you a copy of the laws that have yet to be written?
Go talk to anti-gunners yourself. They are open about their intent, they believe the 2A:
1) Only protects muskets.
2) Was a mistaken, and muskets shouldn't even be protected.
They want nothing short of a TOTAL gun ban. If you don't believe me, talk to them yourself. In denying it, you are fooling only yourself.
>>30489397
Still waiting.
>>30489409
Go talk to them yourself.
>muh courts
The courts can't retroactively unviolate your rights.
>>30489360
Handgun ban was already thrown out. There's no legal argument that puts a lever ban in a stronger position to win. Read a book.
>>30489212
>You seriously have no idea how many attempted California gun laws have been thrown out in court.
Spotted the cali fag.
how's that latest round of gun cucking working out for you?
Just move already.
>>30488960
let me know how often a retard with a gun uses a Henry Rifle for a mass shooting, murder-suicide, etc.
>>30489409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY
There, you fucking retard. Diane Feinstein saying on television that she wants to ban all guns, for everyone other than the police and military.
>>30489423
Still waiting on that evidence. Show us the bills or the committee debates or something akin to those.
>>30489449
>the courts will overturn it, therefore nobodies rights will be violated in the meantime
That's not how this works.
>>30489455
You know damn well that rifles are used for a vanishingly small portion of gun crime. Logic does not stop liberal gun grabbers, and you know it.
>>30489462
Go talk with gun grabbers. Seriously.
>>30489455
Canadian cops call a scoped BLR a " high powered sniper rifle" when one kills a criminal.
>>30489452
If it upsets you so much, you could always just kill yourself and not have to cope anymore.
>>30489461
Feinstein doesn't have any say in state-level laws you dumb cunt. Learn the basic structure of the government.
>>30488273
why if commi Brown sees it he will ban it for being black
>>30489468
That's not how litigation works. Disputed laws are typically not allowed to go into effect while they're being litigated. That's EXACTLY what happened with the attempted handgun ban and what happened with the older handgun ammo laws.
>>30489397
>Standing Armies.
>Slave Patrols in Vagina.
most powerful military budget next 15 countries combined.
Niggers aren't considered property anymore.
>>30489496
>bad laws never go into effect
You are terminally stupid.
>>30489468
>Go talk with gun grabbers. Seriously.
Not even him, but that's not evidence. That's irrelevant anecdotal nonsense that has no bearing on law actually being formed.
>>30489331
Fucking nice. I need to get a green card and a gf from the land of the free ASAP.
>>30489480
true, rifles are ment for high powered calibers.
but mass shooting are common in america.
not mass Sniping.
>>30489512
Not what I said you dog shit fucking nigger. You still have yet to present a single god damn piece of evidence. It's a FUCKING FACT that several restrictive gun laws have not been allowed to be enforced while they're being litigated in court.
Learn to fucking read the argument or just fucking kill yourself you willfully ignorant piece of garbage.
>>30489513
They intend on banning ALL guns, including lever guns. Just because they aren't CURRENTLY doing it, doesn't mean that is not their intent.
That CERTAINLY is there intent. They make no effort to hide or deny it. There is no reason to "proof" it, just go talk with them and find out yourself.
>>30489526
Is that why I can walk into walmart and buy a machine gun?
Oh wait, I can't. An unconstitutional gun law IS being enforced, go figure.
Fucking retard.
>>30489512
That's not even what the post said dude. Seems to me that you're actively trying to ignore the actual points being made in this thread, which isn't of any use to anyone on any level.
>>30488182
I bought one 10 years ago and it's been great, I have like 2000 rounds through it since it's last cleaning and it's still shooting reliably.
>>30489534
The Supreme Court allowed the machine gun ban to stand. That makes it Constitutional. Your personal feelings or opinion on the matter are 100% irrelevant. That's a very simple fact.
>>30489534
You are literally claiming that personal, anecdotal opinion is evidence. That makes no sense to anyone with a functioning brain.
>>30489544
I am saying that Californian gun grabbers intend on banning lever actions in the future. This is a fact. Anyone who has ever talked to a gun grabber knows it to be true.
>>30489553
>bad gun laws are no problem because the courts will protect our rights
>but if the courts decide not to protect our rights, that's fine by me too!
Go play in traffic.
>>30489564
Do you deny the intention of gun grabbers to ban all guns?
Who do you think you are fooling?
>>30489568
You still have yet to cite a single piece of non-anecdotal evidence. That is extremely telling of how unintelligent you are.
By the way folks, anyone not saging this shitposting thread is an asshole.
>>30489534
>Federal Background check.
>Gun Buyback Program.
>High Capacity Magazine Ban.
>Assault Weapon ban.
hmm. i don't see the UN Blue Helmets jumping from the BlackHawks yet.
>>30488101
Marlin had a bad year while switching over to new machinery, they're back to good quality now.
I believe 2010 and 2011 Marlins are the affected years, but I don't remember off the top of my head
>>30489574
That's not the issue here dipshit. The formation of enforceable law is. The fact that you don't know the difference is flat out embarrassing for you.
For .357/.38 lever action guns, from what I've read .38 special doesn't feed reliably unless the .38 special rounds have the same length as .357 cases.
So dumb question here, how do I figure out which .38 special rounds have the appropriate length? I don't recall finding case length being a measurement on the box. Do I just go with grains?
>>30489534
The Supreme Court said the machine gun ban was Constitutional. There's literally no way to chance that short of a Constitutional amendment or a separate SCOTUS decision, neither of which has any chance of happening. Even the conservative justices say that some 2A limitations are justified.
>>30489577
Literally not a refutation of a damn thing I've said.
The AWB is a great example. It violated the rights of millions of Americans.
>>30489576
Go talk with an anti-gunner. They do not conceal their intention. Asking me to prove they believe what they believe, when you can just talk with them and ask them, is absurd misdirection. Who do you think you are fooling?
>>30489585
Bad gun laws are enforced all the time. SOMETIMES they are thrown out, but often not before the rights of millions are violated. Read a book.
>>30489483
>hurr, don't be so paranoid, no one wants to take your guns away
here's a Senator from your state saying she wants to take everyone's guns away
>hurr, but she's not part of state-level lawmaking
You're fucking retarded.
>>30489605
>"the courts will protect our rights"
>court decides you never had that right in the first place
>"I am fine with this!"
Seriously, go play in traffic.
>>30489606
No you fucking illiterate dog shit nigger. You're being asked to provide evidence that law is being planned and formed to ban lever actions. You haven't done that and you can't because there is not a single piece of concrete evidence to suggest otherwise.
You are retarded and literally using the "all the people I have talked to say X, so it's true" argument.
>>30489618
He's undoubtably an assmad Californian who is blindly defending his state. Absolutely nothing you can say to him will get him to admit that there is a problem with California.
UnAmerican to the core.
>>30489618
National senators don't formulate or vote on state law. It's completely clear to everyone else in this thread that you failed civics.
>>30489626
>You're being asked to provide evidence that law is being planned and formed to ban lever actions
Go ask them yourself. Numerous anti-gun politicians have talked about total gun bans. They don't hide this.
Everyone here who isn't suffering from self-delusion already knows that they intend on disarming all Americans. They hate the 2A. They don't bother to lie about this, even though you do.
>>30489635
Quit samefagging.
>>30489652
You're illiterate. You're arguing about things that you and nobody else brought up. You're arguing against argument that you yourself creating. That's psychotic.
>>30489518
I wish you the best of luck anon. For all the bitching it's actually pretty great here.
>>30489654
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? At no point did I present myself as two different people.
You're just an intellectually dishonest shithead.
>>30489667
I didn't create anti-gunners. They exist. They are open about it, they talk about their ideas in public. If you are ignorant of them, you have nobody but yourself to blame.
>>30489677
So you're directly admitting to responding to your own post in a grammatical manner that tries to make it seem like you were a separate person.
Stupendous.
>>30489687
Guess what you civic-failing faggot... random people on the street don't get to vote on laws.
>>30489689
At no point have I responded to my own post. You're just flinging baseless insults because you know you're wrong but aren't man enough to admit it.
>>30489704
No, they vote for representatives who profess to share their beliefs. There is no shortage of liberal gun grabbing politicians who want to ban all guns.
You're being deliberately dense.
>>30489705
Wrong about what? Everything I have said about how things work legally is completely true. It's this other shitstain that is making claims for which he has no evidence as it pertains to the actual formation, litigation, and enforcement of law.
You are willfully ignorant of basic facts of legal structure.
>>30489715
And you're deliberately ignoring the fundamental fact that case law already preemptively invalidates your entire argument.
>>30489720
You deny that it is the intention of Californian gun grabbers to ban all guns.
We all know this is their intention, because they OPENLY talk about it. They make no attempt to hide their intention.
>It's this other shitstain that is making claims for which he has no evidence
That's what you are accusing ME of. Jesus christ /k/ needs IDs to stop morons like you.
>>30489732
Bad laws MAY OR MAY NOT be thrown out in court. Before a bad law is thrown out by the courts, the rights of countless Americans are often violated first. The courts are powerless to retroactively unviolate their rights.
>>30488960
Courts already effectively said they can't. This isn't an untested issue. Explain how you think a ban on lever actions would work when bans on semi-autos and/or handguns have already been ruled unconstitutional.
>>30489732
Case law also says that banning common ammo, weapons that take said ammo and features is also illegal but we're seeing how well that's helping in ny ,nj, ca, ma, and ct
>>30489755
> You deny that it is the intention of Californian gun grabbers to ban all guns.
Go ahead and cite the post where this is said. We'll all wait.
Anybody have any experience with the BLR in .30-06? There doesn't seem to be much in the way of modern semi-auto in .30-06, so I'm thinking of getting the BLR instead.
Also, how high of a bipod would you need for clearance when working the action prone?
>>30489766
They'll do it anyway, and violate peoples rights. By the time the courts shut it down, countless Americans will have had their rights violated. The courts are powerless against this sort of abuse. The politicians who do it are never brought to justice, they are free to do it again and again.
>>30489782
If you do not deny it, then why ask me for proof of it?
It is good that you now admit that it's their intention to ban lever action rifles. I'm glad we're all on the same page now.
>>30489774
No, case law focuses entirely on attempts to ban classes of weapons at this point, not specific weapons. The more specific cases are working their way through the courts.
>>30489801
>If you do not deny it, then why ask me for proof of it?
Because that isn't the issue at hand here you moronic shitstain. You started blabbering about it and then arguing with yourself.
>>30489801
> By the time the courts shut it down
Literally not how it works. Learn what a "stay" is.
>>30489786
Finally a non-shit post.
You'd probably need a bipod about 6" tall I'd say.
>>30489801
you're only proving the need for stricter Gun Control for the Retarded.
>>30488289
>hunting niggers with a musket
this is what life is all about
>>30489455
The canadian parliament shooter used a really pretty one, the cops fucked with it though and busted some of the wood off
>>30487807
Marlins are hot garbage these days. If you can find one from more than 10 years ago, go for it
>>30487641
If you are on a budget there are better things, but fuck they are fun as hell, they have an awesome history, good ones are very reliable, a lot chamber large rounds (more historical interest) and they are actually great value for what you pay if you go a great brand like Henry. It will outlive you 5 times over if you take care of it
A Guide Gun in .45-70 would be good for innawoods. Would punch a good hole in a bear.
>>30489063
>even with 10mm the difference isn't that big
Having 8mm of extra case length helps with that
>>30488589
I have had no issues with my Henry after about 1400rds, and it is very accurate and consistent. I've heard a few people talk about .38 specials not feeding properly, but I've only ever seen it happen when someone is treating the action like its made of glass. I've gone through 400 or so .38 special rounds without issue.
>>30488589
Win 1873
California gun grabbers are after all guns. Seriously. "You can hunt with a crossbow". "That is a sniper rifle" (bolt action).
Don't trust gun control people. The ones pulling the strings really do want confiscations of firearms. Stay vigilant my friends.
I have a Marlin 336 manufactured in 1981 and it doesn't show the variant model of it. I want to know what variants of the 336 were manufactured in 1981?
>>30490584
> parroting; the post.
They had a couple bad years right after the freedom group take over but they are the next best thing to a browning now.
>>30489074
That's like saying 7.62x51 is basically the same as a 30-06.
>>30487903
Covers my NY reasons
>>30488034
Same rangebow but more punch from 30-30 re mass
>>30490989
Love the range of options in commercial loads and only just touching reloads
>>30491997
Ausfag here, this is definitely true, we see it here all the time. we have absolutely zero issues with legal firearm owners here in Australia, like literally not one of us ever does anything wrong. yet every month some fuck face politician comes up with some new fear mongering buzz word to try and bring further restrictions. they are trying to ban fucking lever action shotguns, only they arent calling them that. they are calling them "new rapid fire shotguns" "rapid action shotguns" "fires one shot per second!!!!" "semi automatic style" "why do you NEED a 5 shot magazine? if you need so many shots then you are a shit shot" etc
dont give an inch
>>30497480
>lever action
>new
Jesus fucking Christ
>>30497508
we've always had 1887's here. then a company comes out with a new lever action shotgun and suddenly its "been designed to get around our gun laws"
>>30489525
For now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks
>>30489525
>not mass Sniping.
Homie, our older preferred method of mass shooting was climbing a tower somewhere and going to town.
