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You know the drill: debate post-cerberus Remington quality, bitch about Turkish made guns, and more!
Pic related is some OC for those of us buying shotguns during the July 4th sales weekend
Can someone explain to me why I would want a flight control wad for home defense? Why would I want all the pellets to hit the exact same spot?
Wouldnt I want them to spread out a little bit to increase the chances I hit something important, like heart, spine, lungs, etc?
>>30485353
>Savage Model 67
Here's mine in 20 gauge, it was my first gun. It's a tough motherfucker.
>>30485353
I wouldn't say it's hard to swap out barrels on the 520 at all. Different gauge barrels, yeah, you gotta get the appropriate bolt in there, but that's a pretty simple process as well.
>picrelated was a 16 gauge birdgun converted into 12 gauge skewering death machine
>>30485353
I own a Rem870 but I'm not sure why -- I don't shoot skeet, or ducks... I was taken in by the meme -- I have a rifle for long range and guns with lights for HD. So why do I want one? Help.
No pics right now but I am a unfortunate owner of a post 08 Remington 870 Express (cant remember exact name but can take 3 1/2 inch shells) and I must say the gun overall performs alright however there are two huge reasons why I will Never buy a Remington shotgun again.
1. Warped/low quality extractor that fails to extract about once or twice every 200 hundred rounds. This Is a bit of a problem since this is a pump shotgun.
2. Cheap shells in general expand enough to get stuck in the chamber requiring a knife to dig them out.
>>30485353
> No Weatherby PA-08 on there
Garbage list.
>>30485353
Agreed on the Winchester 1300. I have the 1300 xtr and the main downside is the extractor spring assembly. Very easy to bend if the barrel isn't put back in properly, resulting in ftf a lot. Just got mine fixed, cost $25 to have the gunsmith bend the two pieces back into place(pin and leaf spring.)
only acceptable build for a Mossberg
>>30490882
The forgrip makes it harder to strap to the side of your BOB. Other than that, agree. Are there overfolding stock options for the 500?
>>30490882
"No"
>>30485353
I keep eyeing the Mossberg 500 for the prices but I want wood furniture. The wood used for the $500 looks like real cheap shit though, any advice or opinions?
>>30490915
yeah they are, actually planning on getting one
>>30490929
Yeah!
Aiming is for pussies!
>>30489041
>buying a gun made by turks
>>30490938
The boyds 'field' stock and forend can be had for like 100 bucks if you want to go aftermarket; corncob style too
My 590SP with Ontario M7 bayo.
>>30485353
Do they make new production Ithacas exactly like in the picture? All of the ones I've seen don't have the full length tube and that style.
Also, I'd put the High Standard fudd shotguns on that list. They have a beautifully smooth action.
>>30490882
-If you're a fucking faggot.
>>30491103
Nope. The new defense models don't have the barrel tang that sits over the magazine cap. It doesn't look as nice, but it's left out for good reason. You can swap barrels and tubes out now without sending the gun off to the factory. Not as sexy but more functional
>>30490940
I have one of those. No cheek weld, but fun as fuck.
>bitch about Turkish made guns
Jealous much?
>>30491906
No ones jealous of your poorfag guns nigger
>>30490968
I'm not massively opposed to going aftermarket but the real draw of buying a pump for me right now is the low price. I already have a break which I love and I plan to eventually get a semi-auto when (if) I make lots (some) of money so I don't know if I'd be willing to go above and beyond for it
>>30492039
In that case, slightly older (10 years or so) 500s tend to have nicer wood than those made today, and it would be cheaper than new too
>>30487891
Nope. No one can and no one will be able to.
Its good stuff for somewhat longer ranges.
Non buffered 00 buck is tried and true for close range. 2 3/4" for easy cycling.
I can swap to a slug pretty damned fast but I'm sure to get some incoming flack for that remark.
There is also PDX-1 which is a compromise for those that would want longer range with some spread.
>>30492064
Thanks anon, this is exactly what I was wondering but too stupid to ask outright
bought a used mossberg mariner for 300 bucks. Included two barrels. I thought it was a damned good deal.
>>30492141
It was a damn good deal
Haven't seen a shotgun thread in awhile
I need to redo my ugly ass 870. Anyone got any suggestions on a color and or finish?
>>30485353
just ordered a mossberg 500 12ga 20"
8+1 synthetic nany killer black w/ghost ring sights
>346.00
did i do good? picking it up next friday.
>>30492238
Anon, don't paint things if you're not good at it :^)
>>30492238
This, is a ghost gun.
>>30492238
Olive drab receiver, barrel, and magazine tube.
Black/charcoal black for everything else.
>>30492330
It looks much better than what's underneath, I also ran out halfway through.
>>30492238
rhodie baby poop.
>>30492082
So this entire website:
https://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=176
is just some guys brainfart committed to paper? He seems to be going to great lengths to explain why this one is the best, but im not getting it.
>>30492330
gotta start somewhere
>>30485353
Mossberg 500 master race reporting
Is there a way to put a ghost ring on a maverick 88? Or am I fucked? I dont seem to be able to aim this thing.
>>30490882
>not using the pants-on-head-retarded "Zombie" chainsaw model
My local Canadian Tire only stocks the Mossberg 500 in this configuration and it is just infuriatingly stupid.
Sure is awfully manual action in here...
Just kidding. Pump action and lever action are the shit.
Any of you guys shoot trap or skeet? How long would one have to practice either to be capable of going dove hunting this winter? My father-in-law keeps asking, but I've never done it before, and I'd rather not fuck up his hunt.
I love the Winchester M12 and the 590A1s
>>30490941
>shotgun spread
>needing to aim any more than pointing in the general direction
>>30493005
Not long, doves fly relatively slow. Get a good spot with at least a 180 degree view, and keep your head on a swivel. You see them, wait until they fly close to you, and open up.
>>30493256
Adding on, skeet is better for practice the clay pigeon goes side>side instead of out from the center
I'm in the process of taking my guns out to a good nature locale to take full, aesthetically pleasing photos of all of my guns, my Ithaca's included.
I have two; a 16 gauge with a 28" barrel, and also a 12 gauge with a 20" barrel and rifle type sights.
Both are Featherlight Deerslayers, and both can slam-fire.
This is the only photo I have on-hand involving my Ithaca's. I'll be happy to contribute to the scattergat threads more in the future.
I also have a beat-to-fuck Brazilian single-shot, barrel cut down to 18.5".
Nofuns reporting. Is $350 a good price on a new Mossberg 500 that comes with the Laserlyte Center Mass Laser attached? I am debating between this and a nice AR-15 kit that I can swap the lower out on later.
>>30493598
Yes.
Is there a reason I should get a 12 gauge over a 20 gauge or vise versa?
>>30494096
depends what you're using it for
>>30494121
The only times I've really shot shotguns was when some friends and I were shooting clays at another friend's place. I really liked the 20 gauge, and kind of want to get one. I'd only really use it for range stuff and maybe home defense.
>>30492744
Is there something specific to the Federal Flight Control round that I'm missing?
Always willing to learn something new.
Also need to buy a few hundred more rounds and would be very curious if it's worth switch to the FFCW
>>30494142
I read something once that said 20 gauge is 75% the load with half the kick.
I think the 12 is better to load. 12 gauge ammo when it comes to buck and slugs is generally more available and cheaper.
>>30494142
this
>>30494174
If you're just buying for mild recreation and defense go with 12.
Load it up with 00 buckshot at night.
>>30494192
>>30494174
Cool, thanks guys. Looking into a Mossberg pump for my next gun buy
>>30494161
Well, it seems to keep all of your pellets together for several meters after leaving the barrel. Which makes very little sense to me unless you were fighting at long range for some reason. Which you would not be doing in a home defense situation. And even then slugs would probably be better.
#1 buck (what he recommends) is about the size of a 22LR bullet. Would you rather shoot the exact same spot 16 times, or 16 random spots several inches across?
It seems like pretty much anything would be destroyed from just one pellet, 16 in the same spot is way overkill. And spreading out the shots by several inches would greatly increase your chances of hitting something important.
What does pol think of the Winchester SXP series? It's my only pump action I've ever shot but it's really easy to cycle and has is probably my favorite gun in my small collection
Are there any good double barrels available for a poorfag?
Also, seeing stuff about that 12" barrel double barrel from dominion arms, looks like a fun range toy, has anybody had one or does anybody know anything about DA's shotguns?
>>30488185
Start shooting skeet
Weatherby
>>30494619
Just get a couple single barrels instead, you can buy something not made in china (DA outlaws are loose, heavy, and meh at best) used for cheap
Couple old Cooey single shots or keep your eye our for some Stoegers / Baikals used in SxS / OU for maybe $50 more than that shitty 12" toy that is fun but overall useless for anything practical tbqh
My baby. Got it for $250 off armslist
>>30491075
That's actually really badass. I absolutely love how heat shields look on pump guns, and the wood furniture giving the "rugged" vibe? Love it
>>30494923
This might be a stupid question
do weatherby's not have manual safeties?
>>30495573
It's on the trigger guard behind the trigger itself; due to the lighting in the pic, it's not very visible
>>30495613
shit you're right, thanks
cheapest 2 3/4" 12ga shells for range plinking and screwing around shooting clays?
>>30495746
plain #8
Here's a picture of my 870 Express I tacticool'd for fun.
I stopped using it for hunting, seeing as every time I it out it would come back a nice shade of orange.
Starting using my other pump 12 ga. A Glenfield 778.
>>30495948
The aforementioned Glenfield.
Old, but reliable.
>>30485353
>Mossberg 500
>Magazine size is difficult to change
Are you fucking kidding me?
1. Remove barrel
2. Remove magazine tube using strap wrench
3. Install new magazine tube and spring using strap wrench
>>30495987
In comparison to the remington, which does not require an additional barrel with a different fitting just to increase the mag size, it is substantially more work involved
>>30495948
>seeing as every time I it out it would come back a nice shade of orange.
wat
pardon my ignorance, I don't get it
>>30496007
The only time you would ever need to change the mag is if you had a gun that came with a sporting barrel or 18.5" barrel and wanted to add the 20" barrel.
>>30496040
Rust.
>>30496047
Jesus...
Looking for an over-under on the cheap, suggestions? Going to look at LGS/pawn shops soon, anything I should be looking for?
Anyone have experience with the DDI 12?
>>30496047
is that a 520?
>>30495328
Thanks.
It came with all polymer furniture, but I wanted to do a more modern take on a trench gun.
Too bad there's no sword bayos that will fit modern lugs (without modification, anyway)
Noguns fag here, I just picked up a used Remington 1100 for $450. Did I fuck up?
>>30497484
You might have overpaid a little bit (depending on condition), but I wouldn't lose sleep over it. It's tough, reliable, and totally worth the price of entry. Enjoy it!
>>30497484
Yes and your mother dropped you on the head as a child. You should never own guns!
>>30494142
20 gauge is fine. It will kill shit ded. Get buck shot for nigs and slugs for durr.
>>30494308
Pls be a troll. You are so fantastically wrong, you must be trolling.
>>30494345
Sounds like it works for you. That's all you need to know.
>>30497484
>>30497512
He dun gud-ish. Paid retail for a used gun but 1100s are gud gats and hold up well to years of honest use.
>>30494345
>pol
>not /k/
>not even /pol/
>pol
Wew
Poorfag here, Maverick 88 or Steven's 320? I love mossberg shotguns but I plan on getting a 590a1 in the future when I'm not a poor student. It seems redundant to get that many of the same style of shot gun. What's the better option
>>30485353
G'day lads.
>>30497603
>>30485353
Stain the fucking crows, didn't upload my picture.
>>30491906
>he bought a shitty 1100 clone haphazardly shoved into vaguely AR-shaped plastic and cast aluminum travesty
>made by turks
and you're proud of this decision?
Winchester m1897 fag reporting
>mfw my gun was made the same year as my great grandpa was born
>mfw I can decock my shotgun
>mfw shooting a 22/25 in trap with a full choke
>mfw service record lasting from WW1 to Vietnam
>mfw takedown
>mfw all steel construction
>other guns with plastic parts instead of American wood and milled steel parts btfo
>>30497647
Good, but can you decock your granfather?
>>30497653
Why would you even ask that. He's been dead for 22 years
Recently bought that turkshit.
The finish is fragile and easily gets wear marks from the pump riding on it, there are several small hit marks and dents on the sights and rail, the stock's plastic had small molding surplus that I had to remove, the front sight wasn't sitting flush on the barrel and I had to push it in place with a vise. So yeah, that's the QC you would expect from kebabland.
However I have to say, for the price I am pleasantly surprised. The gun is as tacticool as it gets, no need to buy any extra, everything is already there. 7+1 capacity, the adjustable stock has no wobble at all, can hold 4 cartridges (two holes are very tight though, might need to file those down) and can be detached from the pistol grip with the simple push of one button.
What I especially love is the disassembly, just unscrew the cap on the magazine tube and everything comes off right away : barrel, pump assembly, bolt carrier. The trigger assembly is held by two pins and that's it.
Really cool gun, for the price, would recommend.
>>30490941
You can still aim it just fine.
>>30491906
Saved for next abomination thread. Good god anon.
SENSIED SFK1 MOTHERFUCKER
>>30485353
>have 15+ year old express apart and sitting around
>bead blasted and parkerized
>finally decide to build it
>parts for it are coming tomorrow
>new shell latches, new follower
>magpul stock
>mfw the only problem is that I can't find where the rear ghost ring base is
I might just get a scattergun technologies one if I can't find it, for the time being I can just use the front blade as a bead
>>30497761
>rebranded Fabarm stf12
Why do they do this? Also fuck the price of this thing.
>>30485353
Mossy maverick fag reporting. I dun out-cheaped you.
>>30487891
You realize that in home defense ranges at like 10 yards you hardly get any spread even on an open choke?
>>30493005
You should be practicing skeet if you plan on dove hunting. Since you plan on getting a pump, you can ask the puller to pull you report doulbes instead of true skeet. That just means that he/she will wait until you fire your first shot to pull the second bird. You can shoot true doubles with a pump, but you are at quite a disadvantage compared to autoloaders and double barrels. Trap is more for pheasant or quail (birds that fly up and away from you). Also, I'm not sure where your uncle lives but dove season is usually in the fall not the winter.
>>30494174
>I read something once that said 20 gauge is 75% the load with half the kick.
You are correct that in a standard #8 target load is about 75%. 20ga is usually 7/8oz while 12ga is 1oz. But you can get 20ga shells that are loaded higher, and you can get 12ga shell that are loaded lower.
You are very mistaken about the felt recoil, though. That more has to do with the gun weight more than anything. My single shot 20ga has a lot more felt recoil and is harder to shoot long compared to my 12ga benelli supernova just because of how light it is.
What are your thoughts on this?
I own a 870. Love to hunt varmit by shooting in general direction.
Shotgun > rifle
Anyone know where to get a shorter barrel for a model 1897?
This barrel is just so massive but I refuse to chop down a gun that's over 100 years old.
Just picked this up yesterday
Win 1300 modified choke
>>30500326
You should just use it in the field like it is intended, and get some tacticool short barrel shotgun that you will never use for home defense instead of mutilating history.
>>30487891
I have no idea why that new flight control shit has become so popular. People seriously get obsessed with buckshot from 25 yards filling only a single hole, but that takes away its whole advantage.
You don't really need one at all, because like you spread, you want to increase the spread. Unbuffered buckshot is perfectly fine. Cheaper, too.
>>30490882
I agree Duke Nukem
>>30494923
Holy shit that finish is pristine.
>>30497647
Where'd you grab yours? An 1897 with a 28" barrel and mod choke is my dream shotgun. From what I can see like 90% of them are 30" and full.
>>30500438
I don't want it for home defense.
I want it for backyard fun.
I specifically said I refuse to mutilate it. Just a barrel change and keep the other one to the side.
>>30500458
>because like you spread
>>30490929
what is the correct way to shoot with this grip? it is really uncomfortable to shoulder it
>>30500003
I actually got an autoloader a few years back, but I've never really used it for much. I'll look into skeet then.
I'm in central Texas. 1st season is September and the first half of October. It's often still rather miserably warm then, so many people instead opt for the shorter 2nd season in December/January.
>>30500524
what is that, fucking 36"?
>>30500524
>because like you spread
like you said*
my brain's melting
>>30500525
You'd grab it exactly like you would a normal stock, but without the actual stock part to bring to your shoulder. That way, the recoil goes perpendicular with your wrist, rather than directly into it, making it a lot better to shoot.
>>30500586
I think it's 30 and it also has a full choke.
>>30485353
>Ithaca 37
>expensive
>>30485353
>tfw my company was just acquired by a company whose primary stakeholder is Cerberus
>>30490944
It's hands down the best basic, affordable pump shotgun.
>>30500642
Used models go for pretty good prices, but new models are pretty goddamn expensive. Something like $700?
But you should buy used with most guns anyways, especially shotguns.
>>30500632
I'm trying that right now and it hurts my wrist
>>30500677
I think they're only outrageously expensive if your buy from Ithaca directly. Try poking around distributors and the price is a little better.
>>30497543
Ah shit ><. Now that I revealed myself as a /pol/fag I guess I gotta start talking about jews
hey guys, i got this heat shield a while ago and from my understanding it took a m1917 bayonet
but after i got one it seems to not work, can anyone tell me what bayo goes on this lug?
thanks for any help
How do I shoot a shotgun without hurting my shoulder?
>>30500851
You face the stock away from yourself and pull the trigger.
>>30500851
Pull it in hard, keep it tight, and position it right.
What's the shortest barrel shotgun I can legally own?
>>30500851
By not being a baby man.
>>30500851
Serious answer: Lean into it, press the butt deep into your shoulder, squeeze and don't pull the trigger.
Joke answer: dont be a pusy lol
>>30500866
The barrel cannot be shorter than 18 inches or the gun can't be shorter 26 inches.
Unless the shotgun was manufactured without a shoulder stock, in which case it's classified as "Any Other Weapon".
>>30500866
>tfw no 8 gauge pump action
>>30500851
Might need a better fitting shotgun that is heavier. I have this small single shot 20ga that starts to hurt my shoulder after about 100 rounds through it at the trap field. Its just so damn light, and the stock is small so its hard to really get it into my shoulder right. I can shoot my 12ga benelli all day long and never feel a thing.
If you are talking about just shooting one round and it hurting, then learn how to hold a shotgun and stop being a pussy.
>>30500969
A 12ga 3 and 1/2" magnum is pretty much the load weight of a 10ga, so that is the closest you are going to get. The only practical purpose for it is turkey hunting, to be honest.
>>30500851
Take this before shooting
WHO /LONG RECOIL/ HERE?
>>30500520
Found it on armslist when i used to check the site daily. Paid 400 for it. Has the 30 inch barrel. I had the forcing cone lengthened to accept modern ammo
>>30497572
Bump
>>30500851
Stop being a bitch.
Also put it in the pouch of your shoulder, keep it close to you so that it pushes you (instead of hitting you), lean forward so that it pushes your whole body (rather than just your shoulder) and shoot low brass birdshot.
Anyone who shoots slugs or high brass will eventually get a bruise.
If you're new to shooting rounds with more power, it's just gunna take some getting used to, but it won't hurt if you do it right, unless you're shooting a good number of rounds.
>>30500866
18 inches for smooth bore.
>>30500866
If you have a shotgun that's never had a shoulder stock attatched, then the barrel length can be whatever you want as long as the OAL doesn't go below 26"
>>30501133
o shit waddup.
>>30497738
I haven't heard of uzkon arms before, it is not popular here
But then, I checked their website and found out they will be making these neat looking shotguns in the future. May consider buying one if they make them decent
t. Turk
>>30492238
Get rid of that ugly fagpull bullshit on it for starters.
Benelli is love.
>>30496175
CZ Canvasback and Mossberg Silver Reserve are pretty good budget guns.
>>30502620
i think it's funny that Magpul has basically now been downgraded to 'Tapco'-tier by so many people.
Benelli is life.
>>30502658
>>30502675
>holo and rifle sights
What have you done to her? Benelli is most beautiful with a plain bead sight. I hope you shoot nothing but slugs out of them.
>>30504041
Unfortunately they aren't mine, but on my Benelli I have ghost ring sights, and they're just as easy to use if not more so than a bead. Obviously not in all applications though.
>>30502180
PLS answer
>>30504071
The Stevens is a cooler design, some models had problems with the fore ends de soldering though. The maverick is just a budget 500, main difference being you can't modify the tube or fore end out of the box. Get the Maverick.
>>30504065
Shotguns to me are for wingshooting, so I want the largest sight picture possible. Not to mention that wingshooting is more about the proper lead and follow through than it is about precise aiming. I guess I wouldn't mind having a ghost ring for turkey hunting, but I do just fine without one.
>>30504071
Honestly, it doesn't matter. Get which ever one you can find cheaper since youre just getting something to hold you over until you get money. Even then, a 590a1 isn't that expensive as far as shotguns go. Don't 590a1 have fixed cylinder choke? If they do, I don't see what the big deal is about them. If they have interchangeable chokes, then its not too bad.
>tfw can't afford a nice Beretta shotgun
>>30504256
>tfw when can't afford an entry level Kolar
>>30504274
Does Kolar even make a shotgun that can be considered "entry level"?
>>30504353
Well I guess I meant their nickel standard that goes for about $10,000 as opposed to one of their elites or customs that are $20,000+.
benelli supernovas are top titty if anybody is on the fence for a pump
srs battle rattle though so idk how it will do deer huntng
>>30504398
In case anyone is wonder the difference between a supernova and just a nova, a supernova takes 3 1/2". If you see "super" on the name of any of benelli's shotguns (super vinci, super black eagle, etc), it just means it takes up to 3 1/2".
>>30504602
Also the Suoernova stock is removable, the novas is not, it's part of the same polymer mold covering the receiver. Different trigger guard as well.
What kind of slugs should I buy if I want to kill a human from medium distance? (like 100 feet maybe)
Do I want segmented slugs or hollowpoint slugs? Or something else entirely? I know fragmenting ammo is gimmick tier in handguns, but a 12 gauge shotgun has a whole lot more mass to work with. Maybe 1/3 of a shotgun slug would actually do something decent?
Or just hollowpoint this sucker and blow a 1 inch hole in his chest?
Also this PDX stuff is a total gimmick right? 3 buckshot pellets and a slug? That seems like it tries to do everything and thus does nothing well.
Is there a brand thats considered good for slugs? Winchester Ranger is ok?
>>30505680
>100 ft
Why are you trying to assassinate someone with a shotgun, man?
